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hey guys,
just came across this preview on GSMarena, looks pretty good, huh?
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc at a glance:
•General: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz, 7.2Mbps HSDPA, 5.76Mbps HSUPA
•Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone
•Dimensions: 125 x 63 x 8.7-10 mm, 117 g
•Display: 4.2" 16M-color TFT capacitive touchscreen, 854 x 480 pixels
•CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255 1 GHz Snapdragon platform
•OS: Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
•Memory: 287MB storage, 512MB RAM, microSD card slot, 8GB card included in the retail box
•Camera: 8 megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash, face detection and touch focus; 720p video recording at 30fps
•Connectivity: Wi-Fi b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1 with A2DP, standard microUSB port, GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, microHDMI port
•Misc: Sony Ericsson Timescape UI, built-in accelerometer, proximity sensor, Sony Mobile Bravia engine, multi-touch input, scratch-resistant surface
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Lancez said:
looks pretty good, huh?
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"I just jizzed my pants"
Looks so good
*I love the way the app drawer opens/is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889852
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906356
Eventhough the majority over here never takes a se again, i will definitely buy one as soon it hits the market here in Holland, i love the design of it and for me the specs are well enough.
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Why did they leave the ambient light sensor out? So if your standing in the sun, you need to go to the menu and turn the brightness up manually, or else you can't see a thing. Big flaw in my opinion. Someone at Sony Ericsson is making stupid mistakes. Even the old w810 had an ambient light sensor, and that was 5 years ago.
Im also convinced the SE arc is by far the best looking smartphone to date, although the specs look nice at THIS moment, they probably wont anymore once this device launches in a couple of months and as far as i know, here in belgium, such devices launch couple months later than in US.
So, by the summer, when it releases over here, this phone will be "outdated" compared to the other phones coming out in the same period.
I wont buy a SE ever again, their experience and customer service is far below standards.
My next phone will more be something like the Motorola Atrix 4G.
-2x 1ghz dual-core
-1gb ram
-HD camera
-front facing camera (although this is not really needed in my opinion)
-16gb internal + up to 32gb external
-1950 mwat battery
although it looks like overkill atm, this device will last much longer than the arc, only needs software update. (and we all know this probably wont even happen with the Arc...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD8CgBdGCZk
You do have to sacrifice on the looks, but the inside will blow away every single device on the market.
I sooo damn want it
XperiaX10iUser said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=889852
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907306
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906356
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i know the rules and this one deserves it's own place. in depth preview with videos, baby!
Lancez said:
i know the rules and this one deserves it's own place. in depth preview with videos, baby!
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Might be an idea to update the first post then with said information, otherwise it's no different to the others that have links to the same information.
When looking at the screenshots of the UI and such I just can't get past the feeling that we X10 users should see the same improvements and tweaks as the Arc. I don't want to turn this into another SE-hatethread, but it just feels wrong. This being my first Android, and smartphone in general, I feel a bit disappointed. But well, I guess you get what you buy.
People who are getting it should be rich to spend a lot of money each 10 months SE releases a successor of their trend phone!
Unfortunately, I'm not rich but besides that, I rather to wait at least one and a half year to get a new phone. I wonder how advanced the smartphones will be by then, and what place the Xperia Arc will have in that time.
Oh, wait... It's gonna be obsolete 'cause it's gonna have a successor already in January 2012!
Seriously, Im not flaming... But I just wish good look to you guys with arc. Hope that SE doesn't do the same mistakes and gives to arc good updates, at least two Android upgrades and more time before replaces it with a new phone.
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hey guys,
just came across this preview on GSMarena, looks pretty good, huh?
Sony Ericsson XPERIA Arc at a glance:
•General: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz, 7.2Mbps HSDPA, 5.76Mbps HSUPA
•Form factor: Touchscreen bar phone
•Dimensions: 125 x 63 x 8.7-10 mm, 117 g
•Display: 4.2" 16M-color TFT capacitive touchscreen, 854 x 480 pixels
•CPU: Qualcomm MSM8255 1 GHz Snapdragon platform
•OS: Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)
•Memory: 287MB storage, 512MB RAM, microSD card slot, 8GB card included in the retail box
•Camera: 8 megapixel auto-focus camera with LED flash, face detection and touch focus; 720p video recording at 30fps
•Connectivity: Wi-Fi b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.1 with A2DP, standard microUSB port, GPS receiver with A-GPS, 3.5mm audio jack, microHDMI port
•Misc: Sony Ericsson Timescape UI, built-in accelerometer, proximity sensor, Sony Mobile Bravia engine, multi-touch input, scratch-resistant surface
link here
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So it is compatible with AT&T 3G network then, ha?
caifanX10 said:
Hope that SE doesn't do the same mistakes and gives to arc good updates, at least two Android upgrades and more time before replaces it with a new phone.
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+1. No doubt it's a really nice phone, but as every other X10 owner knows they dropped the ball with this one, so I'm in no rush to go upgrade just yet.
We have all complained about the first SE android phone the x10, but if we are honest may of us will be upgrading to this baby when our contracts are up.
Lets not forgot SE's first go at the android market, the x10, has not been a bad attempt. If we are honest we all knew that they would not support it for long as they would move on very quickly to the put all they learnt into the next big hope.
And this phone is gorgeous I can quite happy to have the rubbish support, poor customer service and all the other mistakes se made because this phone looks damn good.
While XDA is around if we are honest we couldnt care less about se support as we have this place and it caters for all we need,
chiefy009 said:
We have all complained about the first SE android phone the x10, but if we are honest may of us will be upgrading to this baby when our contracts are up.
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I highly doubt many of us will be upgrading to the Arc. From what I've been reading, many existing X10 customers who would frequent forums like this or blog/tweet about their phones (ie: those somewhat more advanced users) have already told SE to go forth an multiply.
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And this phone is gorgeous I can quite happy to have the rubbish support, poor customer service and all the other mistakes se made because this phone looks damn good.
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Looks aren't everything. Sure, SE makes good looking phones, but what good is that when they saddle the usability with crapware and poor support. It's like having a Porsche with a 150hp engine, what's the point. Besides, if you keep your phone protected by any sort of case or skin, the looks don't matter much when they're covered up. If we wanted something pretty and useless with poor support, we'd by an iPhone.
I love XDA and all the hard work people here have put into improving the X10. But that doesn't excuse SE form having to support their own customers.
On a related note: I have requested with mikechannon that a Xperia Arc forum be setup so that the X10 forum can be kept to X10 discussion.
batman_112 said:
So it is compatible with AT&T 3G network then, ha?
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looks like a world phone, but still no words from AT&T yet.
saltorio said:
Looks aren't everything. Sure, SE makes good looking phones, but what good is that when they saddle the usability with crapware and poor support. It's like having a Porsche with a 150hp engine, what's the point. Besides, if you keep your phone protected by any sort of case or skin, the looks don't matter much when they're covered up. If we wanted something pretty and useless with poor support, we'd by an iPhone.
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This is definitely a killer point.
I am one of those who never is going tio buy SE in my whole life, if it depends on me. Its very funny situation. no one has commented that except for the wifi n and the screen it has the same specifications as my x10.....and my x10 is not going tio have gingerbread update....
So you know, go ahead get latest SE thing and get once more outdated the first. Is there in the market any snapdragon stuck in ecclair??? oh yes my x10...
So the next year I am pretty sure if I read one topic of this "new" phone it will be about some update not being ported to arch, although it is capable of this and more.
I think no one should buy a new SE handset, till they change their customer policy. But I know it is an entellechia...
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morox said:
I am one of those who never is going tio buy SE in my whole life, if it depends on me. Its very funny situation. no one has commented that except for the wifi n and the screen it has the same specifications as my x10.....and my x10 is not going tio have gingerbread update....
So you know, go ahead get latest SE thing and get once more outdated the first. Is there in the market any snapdragon stuck in ecclair??? oh yes my x10...
So the next year I am pretty sure if I read one topic of this "new" phone it will be about some update not being ported to arch, although it is capable of this and more.
I think no one should buy a new SE handset, till they change their customer policy. But I know it is an entellechia...
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X10 dose not have snapdragon Sony was once a industry leader, x10 was first attempt into android world, give them sometime.
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X10 dose not have snapdragon Sony was once a industry leader, x10 was first attempt into android world, give them sometime.
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+1. Agree with what you said. If they screw up the upcoming handsets, then they have no excuse and they probably go under. I am sure the execs at Sony understand that full well.
Hey folks all take a look at sony Ericsson page on face book they released the xperia ray,active and txf the ray isnt bad but the 2 others is ugly as hell!! I wonder what is the price and specifications of it!.
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I don't know what you think but the SE txt will be for sure better then a BB. and it's looks even better! Blackberry's only get stuck LOL. And yes I used BB's.
I read that the Ray features the good old Snapdragon at 1Ghz, 3.3 inch screen, an 8MP Exmor camera and the usual 854*480 resolution.
The Active having the same Snapdragon, 3 inch screen, 320*480 resolution, the same camera.
The Txt, lacks Android, that's all I know.
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I read that the Ray features the good old Snapdragon at 1Ghz, 3.3 inch screen, an 8MP Exmor camera and the usual 854*480 resolution.
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Lol, SE should really try clocking that processor up to 1.2ghz. This 1ghz won't sell actually anymore, there are bettery choices now for that money. Unless you go for the camera!
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Lol, SE should really try clocking that processor up to 1.2ghz. This 1ghz won't sell actually anymore, there are bettery choices now for that money. Unless you go for the camera!
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Yeah, new releases are not really that exciting, specially when the Txt, the only "new" phone, lacks Android.
What's the point on having the Ray released when the Xperia Neo pretty much fills that market segment with the same hardware.
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Yeah, new releases are not really that exciting, specially when the Txt, the only "new" phone, lacks Android.
What's the point on having the Ray released when the Xperia Neo pretty much fills that market segment with the same hardware.
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Ray is not as ugly as the Neo
The Ray is pretty you're right, but personally I like hardware buttons better.
Waiting for the SE dual-core phones release, or maybe a Galaxy S2 in my next target.
No Arc,Play,Neo neither Ray,Active,Txt!!! We need improvement!!!SE
Ray will be a cheaper option for Arc IMO
ACTIVE is a like motorola android phone.waterproof,shockproof.
text is good for texting maniacs
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PlayGunsta said:
Lol, SE should really try clocking that processor up to 1.2ghz. This 1ghz won't sell actually anymore, there are bettery choices now for that money. Unless you go for the camera!
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do you know that these are midrange and midsize phones?i guess you dont
PlayGunsta said:
I don't know what you think but the SE txt will be for sure better then a BB. and it's looks even better! Blackberry's only get stuck LOL. And yes I used BB's.
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yeah but the design is soso like the exterior looking and 3.2 megapixel i dont see how is that going to beat bb :/ and do you think we can also use the touchscreen?
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Yeah, new releases are not really that exciting, specially when the Txt, the only "new" phone, lacks Android.
What's the point on having the Ray released when the Xperia Neo pretty much fills that market segment with the same hardware.
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i'd say the ray is pretty much an photocopy of an arc but whit a different design? l'ets hope the price wont be as high as the arc !
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do you know that these are midrange and midsize phones?i guess you dont
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And how do you know it's a mid-range? 1ghz is no mid-range phone. However if the phone is very cheap, it's mid-range as you say.
Arc has a screen 1 inch bigger than the Ray, and that's a big deal. And I gotta say 1Ghz phone is becoming very mid range by today's standards (it's a 2 and a half years old chip, remember?).
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Arc has a screen 1 inch bigger than the Ray, and that's a big deal. And I gotta say 1Ghz phone is becoming very mid range by today's standards (it's a 2 and a half years old chip, remember?).
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Tell me how many phones are clocked above 1ghz. Not much, so you can definetely not call 1ghz phones mid-range. As I early said, only when they are very cheap.
For me, a 350€ phone is the top of the mid range prices, Xperia Neo costs 350€ free, and I bet Ray is gonna cost the same, if not less than 350€.
Hell, even SE X10 costs like 249€ sim free nowadays and that's a very mid range price.
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For me, a 350€ phone is the top of the mid range prices, Xperia Neo costs 350€ free, and I bet Ray is gonna cost the same, if not less than 350€.
Hell, even SE X10 costs like 249€ sim free nowadays and that's a very mid range price.
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Yes the SEX10 is for sure mid-range, because hardware became old. And with old I mean, there is are phones with more efficient hardware. (More battery saving etc...)
Why is everyone so quick to knock the x10. It is still a very competitive phone and still has one of the top cameras in the market. The new line up is kind of interesting. I rather like the ray as it is exactly a mini Arc and is very nice looking. As for the Active its kind of a neat idea. an android phone (on 2.3.3) designed for people with an active lifestyle i.e.jogging,working out, exercise, and its water resistant to boot. Up to 1 meter deep for up to 30 minutes. If i was in the market for a smaller phone I would definitely go for the ray. 1Ghz is still plenty of power for a device in your pocket don't ya think. It wasn't all that long ago our home computers were running those speeds and now its in our pockets. We won't see any real powerhouse cpu's in phones for sometime. GS2 is 1.2 dual core, so not much faster just one more processor. If you really wanna get hyped up check out the Sony Xperia Leon.
SEX X10 is still one the best phone in market-
just a look at the features if people forgot:
8 megapixel cam with HD recording
4 inch touchscreen
1500 mhz battery
1 ghz processor
stylish(than any other CURRENT HTC and samsung)
Gingerbread
what else do 1 need from a phone and that too at this price
X10 is STILL being sold as main phone from SE in many countries
Yeah just the same old thing. The 3 classic buttons, arc's theme and launcher and the blue background. They have released like 6 xperias like that. It's getting boring...
[LONG POST WARNING ]
there might be some typos and some unintentional things (tone of writing this may be)... I do not mean to offend any one... u can consider the following as a random blog post not targetting anyone
please dont laugh.. i am not good at these kind of things...
Ok now before u start flaming and start fanboy-wars on this, I suggest that u read the full content…
I AM NOT A SE FANBOY!
I have tried to provide an unbiased review of Samsung Galaxy S2 from point of view of a Xperia X10 user/android user… oh btw I am writing this considering that u use custom kernels on X10!
Some background… I have primarily used Symbain phones for almost 4-5 yrs… just last year I bought my first android phone the Xperia X10! Since then I have bought many androids for myself, my friends & family… I have personally used Motorola Milestone, SE Xperia Arc, LG Optimus One and now just last week I got the Samsung Galaxy S2 (SGS2)…
this will be sort of comparison between SGS2 and X10 and my personal opinion regrading both these devices as they CURRENTLY stand
[ THE SPECS ]
The SGS2 is a beast!
The most significant difference is the screen… Super AMOLED PLUS which quite frankly is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY I have EVER USED! It just blows away the LCD/LED displays (compared to X10 which has LCD display) Now before some ppl catch my throat saying that “colors are not ‘natural’” let me share with u that there is a setting provided by Samsung called “Background Effect” which basically can allow u to adjust the saturation & contrast of the images on screen! For the “natural color” minded folks u can use the “movie” option… others can enjoy the “Standard” or better “Dynamic” options…
It has 4.3’’ screen which is slightly bulky in hand and little bit hard to grip (compared to X10 which has 4’’ screen) frankly the difference is only noticeable if u are watching videos…
It has 1.2 Ghz dual core ARM-9 chips (compared to X10 single core 1 Ghz Arm-8 chip)
very powerful dedicated GPU [Mali-400] which will handle any of the latest games u can throw at it! (compared to Adreno 200 on X10)
sgs2 has 836 MB User accessible RAM (compared to 280 MB on X10)
The internal memory is eMMC so there is actually an microSD card used for system, data, etc… so the actual usable /data partition is 2GB!!!! (compared to 465MB on X10)
Also the internal sdcard has 12 GB free space [I have the SGS2 16GB version] AND there is room for additional external SDCARD!!! (compared to 8GB supplied by SE for X10)
SGS2 supports simultaneous 10 point finger recognition! Take that multi touch games!
SGS2 has lots cool features like HDMI output/USB On-the-GO [but u will need to buy these adapter/cables separately]
Front facing camera and fullHD (1920x1080p) recording are few other perks (x10 can do 720p recording)
SGS2 has 1650 mAh battery compared to 1500 mAh of X10
SGS2 has HSPA+ (21 Megabit/sec) compared to HSDPA (7.2 Megabit/sec) on X10
And ofcourse SGS2 comes with unlocked bootloader (there is a thing called download-mode binary counter which keeps a tab on how many time u flashed using the flashing tool ODIN, though this can be reset using a hack )
[ ACTUAL USAGE ]
SGS2 just comfortably cruises thru menus/etc… no lag whtsoever... menu scrolling/web browsing anything u throw at it SGS2 will just devastate it
Using live wallpaers, having 10 tabs open in browser, multitasking with a game running in the background and then scrolling thru menus it doesn’t LAG!
[ THE GOODIES ]
Ok now comes the dev aspect, with SGS2 being adapted by so many users/devs, within just 2 months of release, there are already tons of ROMs/Kernels/themes/etc…
U have the freedom to choose overclock/undervolt/overvolt kernels… there are even apps to control voltage of every frequency set! U can overclock/regulate the GPU too! Some guys over at SGS2 forums run it at 1.9Ghz without a hitch! (compared to X10 which only is able to handle 1.1 Ghz overclock)
btw this doesnt mean that i dont respect/honor our devs here at X10 sub-forums... i have a HUGE respect for them and all that they have achieved and are currently doing/working on... they have done / are doing a great job to make our terribly limited device (cause of manufacturer policies) awesome & rocking
[ THE BAD / UGLY ]
Ok the screen resolution on SGS2 is really bad... I mean seriously, a 4.3’’ screen deserves 960×540 (qHD) resolution not 800x480… sure u can change dpi but then that’s NOT TRULY changing resolution…
There is no hardware camera button! It is very funny but seriously I miss the camera button…
when will they get good XENON flash in top end android devices? i really miss the xenon flash from my old Nokia N82
another problem is that there is NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
A lot of defective display units are there… I myself had this problem and had to get it replaced with a new piece… also many users at SGS2 forums have reported this…
Device heats up even using stock FW… I was playing Modern Combat 2 for 15-20 mins and I could feel the back of the device getting really warm…
NOW THE BIGGEST ISSUE there are not many apps currently available which can make use of dual core processors… may be multi-threaded/multi-core optimized apps will take time to get in but currently not many apps can make use of this…
[ MY VIEWS ]
Now from this point forward are my personal views/opinions... I am not telling u to do something… this is just wht I personally feel… if u wish u can read this whole thing and say “wht a bunch of crap… he doenst know wht he is talking abt” I don’t mind that, those are ur views these are mine
The final decision if u want to buy a new phone ALWAYS is with YOU AND YOU ONLY!
As I said before SGS2 is a great device but there are some thing to consider before u UPGRADE… keep in mind that the following views/opinions are only valid if u are upgrading from an X10 to a SGS2… if u are upgrading from sub-1Ghz phone then this will not matter...
I wouldn’t call an upgrade from X10 to SGS2 a BIG GAME CHANGING thing… there is not much difference in 4.3’’ and 4’’ screen sizes… also if u have been using custom kernels on X10 (fps uncapped /overclocked) then SGS2 feels slightly smoother… the screen/image quality is obviously better on the SGS2... But honestly 16million colors (SGS2) vs 65k colors (x10) is not that great a difference, it is only noticeable in some images/videos which have heavy gradation…
The big issues is that currently there are not many apps that can use this much power… then there is the practical issue… see u can play games/overclock/etc for some time BUT most of the time (>80%) u will be running the device @ 800Mhz to 200 Mhz (lowest speed which can be set)…
Though if u are upgrading from a 600Mhz phone (with < 3.5’’ screen size) then SGS2 is a TOTALLY different experience…
One thing to keep in mind currently most of the issues faced by us X10 users (like camera not fully working in 2.2+ custom roms, stability of custom kernels) are related to the restrictions imposed by SE… thing may improve once we get the GB update…
[ FINAL REMARKS ]
So keeping all of the above in mind here are my recommendations
Why u shouldn’t jump to dual-core bandwagon? (AS OF NOW)
If you still have a few months left on you contract and if u don’t mind a few sec delay/slight lag I recommend that u WAIT FOR NEXT generation phone… I am not talking about quad core/etc… frankly CURRENTLY there is just no point for a 2+ core phone… even 2 cores is an overkill! What I suggest is that u wait for next gen technology (28nm fabrication) which will greatly improve battery life… hold on till the apps/games can actually make use of the tremendous processing power packed into today’s dual core phones…
Who should go for this upgrade?
u just liked it
u are upgrading for < 1Ghz phones
u have the money and don’t mind spending that much for the BEST PHONE CURRENTLY AVAILABLE
u are a POWER USER and do heavy multitasking, need to play latest games at max frame rate
u want an additional phone to use (like me )
u are stuck on X10 stock 2.1 rom and don’t want to install custom roms/kernels
u are totally frustrated with the X10 and don’t want to wait for GB upgrade
why currently u shouldn’t “upgrade” to any other single core phone?
See single core phones are already very old hardware… there is no point spending so much money on a single core phone which will be outdated in next 6 to 8 months (tops)…
Instead wait for a few more months and then get a dual core phone
I hope u guys appreciate this and it helps those who are currently planning to u buy a new phone…
P.S.: I hope u have noticed that I keep saying CURRENTLY, cause all that I have psoted above (my views/opinions) is only valid for things UPTO THIS POINT (July 8, 2011 01:00 AM GMT+05:30)… technology is an every changing thing and wht is best today wont be the best (or even good) tomorrow!
WOW, nice...thanks for the review! I myself own a X10 but the current news of GB 2.3.3 & unlocked bootloader is really awesome!
Enjoy your S2 buddy
I tried a SGS2 couple of days back and only one thing annoyed me the most. The home button takes ages to wake the phone up from sleep. I know it is nothing but it annoyed me a lot Apart from that nothing to complain. I will surely get it once I can go to store
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I tried a SGS2 couple of days back and only one thing annoyed me the most. The home button takes ages to wake the phone up from sleep. I know it is nothing but it annoyed me a lot Apart from that nothing to complain. I will surely get it once I can go to store
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i disabled home screen waking it was getting annoying... better to use power button to lock/unlock device...
load of c**p!
a) dual core is using more battery than single core.
b) dual core price is much larger than single core + no full usage of dualcore.
c) single core processors won't be outdated. NEVER! Why? For example in Croatia
i payed like half my pay for year old X10 and my pay is like 600 usd per month, imagine how much would cost dual core?
Conclusion dual-core is for gamer freaks... / ppl that don't get that "lag" here or there is normal thing from pc to smart phone...
Find me one pc / phone that has never had any lag in any game / program and i will ... something with stone ...
But review is ..... long and detailed ..... and very usefull! Thanks!
Very nice and thorough review, thanks a lot!
Turns out that those were exactly my thoughts too. My cousin bought the SGS 2 and even though it feels great in use, I want to wait another year, save some serious money and buy the top phone available then.
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DooMLoRD said:
i disabled home screen waking it was getting annoying... better to use power button to lock/unlock device...
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Hence another problem of pressing volume button instead of power. I had it for a day and a half to play with it. BTW was it just me or it gives an alarm that battery is full!?? Dunno why Samsung made it that way.
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aZuZu said:
load of c**p!
a) dual core is using more battery than single core.
b) dual core price is much larger than single core + no full usage of dualcore.
c) single core processors won't be outdated. NEVER! Why? For example in Croatia
i payed like half my pay for year old X10 and my pay is like 600 usd per month, imagine how much would cost dual core?
Conclusion dual-core is for gamer freaks... / ppl that don't get that "lag" here or there is normal thing from pc to smart phone...
Find me one pc / phone that has never had any lag in any game / program and i will ... something with stone ...
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agree with u on some aspects BUT here is some info if u didnt already know...
dual core doenst use more battery... it only kicks in after certain speeds... so if u are idling (say 500mhz/200mhz) then only single core is active... only when u need more processing the other core (s) get active... something similar to turbo boost but the other way
My_Immortal said:
Very nice and thorough review, thanks a lot!
Turns out that those were exactly my thoughts too. My cousin bought the SGS 2 and even though it feels great in use, I want to wait another year, save some serious money and buy the top phone available then.
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great decision! till then the android market will have sufficient apps to make use of that much power...
OH BTW currently andorid doesn't native-ly support gpu based screen/UI/framework acceleration...
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Hence another problem of pressing volume button instead of power. I had it for a day and a half to play with it. BTW was it just me or it gives an alarm that battery is full!?? Dunno why Samsung made it that way.
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i know! its damn annoying... pulser_g2 has a dev thread going on regarding that!
What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
Thanks for this great review...all i can said is that you are perfectly right about dual core phones advantages! have you already tried to compare arc display with sgs2 one?and how much better is arc compared to x10? thanks doom..nice work!
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What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
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well the problem is that iOS supports gpu based acceleration of UI! which android doesnt! android depends completely on CPU for UI rendering which causes this lag... u can check even on HC this is a problem... BUT once the gpu acceleration based apis are in place then OH MAN will these things fly!
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Thanks for this great review...all i can said is that you are perfectly right about dual core phones advantages! have you already tried to compare arc display with sgs2 one?and how much better is arc compared to x10? thanks doom..nice work!
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yes dude i have compared X10 / Arc / SGS2 display... wanted to compare with iPhone4 and SGS1 but couldnt get hold of those devices...
let me put it plainly SGS2 display IS THE BEST U CURRENTLY CAN HAVE...
the colors are much better on SGS2 display (again this is personal preference)...
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well the problem is that iOS supports gpu based acceleration of UI! which android doesnt! android depends completely on CPU for UI rendering which causes this lag... u can check even on HC this is a problem... BUT once the gpu acceleration based apis are in place then OH MAN will these things fly!
yes dude i have compared X10 / Arc / SGS2 display... wanted to compare with iPhone4 and SGS1 but couldnt get hold of those devices...
let me put it plainly SGS2 display IS THE BEST U CURRENTLY CAN HAVE...
the colors are much better on SGS2 display (again this is personal preference)...
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So..the only way to have the better screen is super amoled??cause if you want the best phone you need this kind of screen but it is made only by few manufactures..like samsung and some htc..so there not much choise!
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So..the only way to have the better screen is super amoled??cause if you want the best phone you need this kind of screen but it is made only by few manufactures..like samsung and some htc..so there not much choise!
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see thats the thing... its not the case that Super AMOLED is the best...
its more on personal preference... w.r.t. display u can ur self check out SGS1, Nokia N8, SGS2, Arc, HTC Sensation...
Very nice review, i'd love to buy the sgs 2 too but the price is just tooo big
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Very nice review, i'd love to buy the sgs 2 too but the price is just tooo big
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just wait for a few months (2-3) till then the prices would go down by 15-20%... also that will be time then next gen processors hit the market...
@all
almost forgot... another issue of SGS2...
NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
Also I heard the camera is not as good as Arc's? Atleast it records video in 1080p though
Well SE in hardware is always in time of the needs if you can see arc was the best smart phone in 2011 above SGS2 and now there is a dual core xperia smartphone on the target but of course it will come when the software is totally ready for that i would like to see the xperia duo
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What I find absolutely stupid about Android as a whole is, that you need a frigging dualcore phone to run it smooth 'ala iOS. I mean smooth as in the UI running at a constant framerate without any dips at all. That was the only reason I was looking up to Apple's devices for a while.
Then SGS2 happened. Now I know what my next phone is.
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ios runs smoothly because it's a much simpler platform than android. If apple ever get the balls to revamp their os to support homescreens and widgets, I am pretty sure the performance would dip significantly.
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Also I heard the camera is not as good as Arc's? Atleast it records video in 1080p though
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I took some photos with the SGS II and the quality was superb.
Lightning conditions were not good, but still there was very little noise,
the picture was sharp and the colors vivid.
Only thing is, there was some short of pink hue in the corners of the picture.
I don't know if that's the case for this phone, or that one was faulty.
Also, the flash is VERY BRIGHT!!!!!!
What do you think about the camera Doom?
[ THE BAD / UGLY ]
Ok the screen resolution on SGS2 is really bad... I mean seriously, a 4.3’’ screen deserves 960×540 (qHD) resolution not 800x480… sure u can change dpi but then that’s NOT TRULY changing resolution…
There is no hardware camera button! It is very funny but seriously I miss the camera button…
when will they get good XENON flash in top end android devices? i really miss the xenon flash from my old Nokia N82
another problem is that there is NO LED FOR NOTIFICATIONS
A lot of defective display units are there… I myself had this problem and had to get it replaced with a new piece… also many users at SGS2 forums have reported this…
Device heats up even using stock FW… I was playing Modern Combat 2 for 15-20 mins and I could feel the back of the device getting really warm…
NOW THE BIGGEST ISSUE there are not many apps currently available which can make use of dual core processors… may be multi-threaded/multi-core optimized apps will take time to get in but currently not many apps can make use of this…
Nice review, but these things made me happy that I haven't bought a SGS2 yet!! I would miss the camera button, led, and especially devective unit which are much of them... Very much... Great phone, but lacks of the most standard functions of a smartphone... Maybe that's why the phone is so thin... Also I've heard from many SGS2 users that there is a some kind of yellow shine on the left side of the screen. Super phone, but little things that aren't worth for this price... It's a smart choise from me to wait till any quad-core phone, and I really hope there will come a very sexy Nexus Quad-core phone. Camera is also nice, but for real recording get a camcorder LOL.
Before fanboys start screaming at me, PHONE IS GREAT but just these things...
And DooM, don't let our negative things/or things the x10 has but SGS2 not have spoil the fun. Enjoy your new super phone!
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Doom, you also talked about higher resolution. Well, that's not possible on AMOLED screens. They can only support up to what the SGS2 now has...
I have a Desire Z and am wondering if the new Xperia pro would be much of an upgrade.
Some things I know I would love about it are hardware buttons, a hole for a lanyard strap (I've dropped my Desire Z twice and scratched it because of lacking this), also the arrow keys may be better than the touchpad too. The camera is obviously going to be way better as it's 8mp xmoor with 720p and a f2.4 lens. It's a little smaller and lighter which I would like.
Things I hope would be better and would be interested in opinions are:
Screen - I'd hope it would be brighter in sunlight with backlit led?
Speed - Think it has a better graphics cpu so should be faster?
Battery life - No idea why it should be but would hope it would be better
Negatives would be:
Sony software - probably a bit crap but cyanogenmod could work around this nicely
Memory - Less internal storage I think?
Further research has suggested performance will be about the same.
Surprised to have a 100 views and no replies. Is there no love for Sony, or do people just not want to consider upgrading from their Desire's yet?
Looks ugly to me. Plus, i doubt it will have any developement. Staying on DZ!
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Looks ugly to me. Plus, i doubt it will have any developement. Staying on DZ!
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I agree, the Xperia Pro looks really dated to me, like something from a few years ago.
Wasn't Sony in the practice of locking the bootloader on past Xperia phones, preventing ROM development? I haven't followed lately, is this still Sony's stance? If so, it sinks the OPs hopes of having CM on this phone.
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Further research has suggested performance will be about the same.
Surprised to have a 100 views and no replies. Is there no love for Sony, or do people just not want to consider upgrading from their Desire's yet?
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The Xperia Pro specs say MSM8255 CPU @ 1 GHz. So in theory, it should be a bit snappier than the G2 (but not by much). And same amount of memory at 512 Mb. So it seems to be true that its not really much of an upgrade from the G2. Xperia Pro specs seem a little weak for a phone coming out in the next couple months. Most phones are going 1.2 GHz dual core, or more; and with more memory. So no, I would really not spend my money on this as an "upgrade".
Sony phones seem to be decent. I still personally feel that HTC's physical design and build quality is the best out there. And the lack of development on Sony phones can be a real deal breaker.
Personally I'm not too bothered about the looks of a device, more things like features, weight, usability etc.
Regarding CM:
"Users of Sony Ericsson devices have been left out of the CyanogenMod experience for a while now. We are happy to announce that users will be able to enjoy a full-fledged CyanogenMod with nearly full hardware support (we are still working on FM radio) starting in our next release. You can also expect nightly builds and more instructions soon."
Sept 28th 2011
From: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/sony-ericsson-xperia-support#disqus_thread
I did swear I would never buy another Sony device after having a Vaio P that died in under a year but this is really tempting me.
Even if cm7 worked on a xperia pro, the G2 will blow it out of the water with its 2GHZ overclock!!!!!
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What if the XP could be overclocked to 2ghz too?
Plus the speed won't affect the quality of the camera / video, having hardware buttons etc.
If I was in your position, I'd wait until next year to roll over with the ~1.5-2ghz dual core lineups. At least with those I can feel confidence in that the tech isn't going anywhere anytime soon, same with core2's on PC right now. There is a point until clock speed difference becomes irrelevant (mhz gains) and it becomes more about chipsets, nm processes like they are doing with the intel core tech.
With a 1ghz, single core to boot, it's kinda like buying the last of the Q4 2010/Q1-Q2 2011 models, like getting a '10 car when the '11 have a new generation lineup, that has changed specifications and model revamps.
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Even if cm7 worked on a xperia pro, the G2 will blow it out of the water with its 2GHZ overclock!!!!!
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They are similar Snapdragon chipsets, the one on the G2 is only factory clocked at 800 MHz versus 1 GHz for the CPU on the Xperia Pro. We can get into a long discussion about the overclockability of one particular chipset model versus another, etc. For instance, there are certain makes of Intel PC processors which are reputed to be highly overclockable. But unless you have reason to think this is the case with the CPU on the G2, you have to consider the fact that the CPU on the Xperia Pro can be clocked just as high, if not higher.
Yes it CAN be overclocked as much...but will it? I dont think so, as i dont think it will get much developement now.
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My .02,
I owned a sony xperia x10, and I will never look back at sony after owning the DZ. HTC has such a higher build quality, plus gorilla glass screen.
I don't follow sony anymore but the x10 bootloader was locked down and was still locked down 9 months after release when I left it in the dust!
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Hey don't ever get this phone
I've had a mini pro and we never got the gingerbread upgrade and its stock software is so crappy
Just stay with the G2 and wait for the dreamly G3
Stewie just said that!
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+1! And can't use Android without Sense. That was the reason to buy my first HTC Desire, then DZ.
Well I went from the DZ to the Xperia Pro when I read that the Xperia Pro would get full CM support.
Here's what I like about the Xperia Pro:
GPS is faster
better reception
nicer screen
better camera
lighter
front facing camera (pretty cool with skype)
arrow keys
Here's what I dont like about it:
usb connector at the top (looks stupid when charging)
awkward power button position
notification LED on the side of the phone (also stupid)
i feel that the things i dont like are more like minor inconveniences though
sure, the DZ has nicer materials but the hinge on mine got really loose and i got some scratches on the display even though i was pretty careful. also that metal on the back of the DZ looked like crap in no time because the coating started to flake off.
i thought i would hate sonys customization of android but i actually think its pretty neat. maybe i wont even install CM once its available (yeah i will ).
Interesting comparison GB and thanks for sharing. Although I'm very tempted by the XP I think I might wait for a qwerty device with a higher res larger screen. Although then I'll probably lose some of the nice advantages of the XP like real buttons and better camera.
Seems like the recently released low-end Galaxy Pocket is going to get ICS at some point.
Galaxy Pocket has a single core processor running at 832 MHz, size of the screen is 2.8".
This is what Samsung says about this phone (in Finnish):
"Tekniset tiedot: Galaxy Pocket:ssä on 2,8 tuuman LCD-näyttö, jonka tarkkuus on 240x320 pikseliä. Laitteessa on 832 MHz:n suoritin ja Android 2.3 -käyttöjärjestelmä (Android 4.0 päivitys tulossa)."
Same translated:
"Specs: Galaxy Pocket has an 2.8" inch LCD-screen, resolution is 240x320. The device has a 832 MHz processor and Android 2.3 operating system (Android 4.0 update is coming)."
Source: http://www.samsung.com/fi/news/prod...ng-galaxy-pocket-pieni-alypuhelin-suuri-sydan
This makes me wonder, if such low-end device can run ICS, why wouldn't SGS be able to do that?
me too
waiting for answer.
Its not that the SGS cant run ICS, the number of ICS ports out there for the SGS and the phones, such as this galaxy pocket, which are low end and are running ICS show that the SGS could eeeasily run ICS, its just that what with the SGS being a little bit older now, (the SGS3 is coming out soon, and there have been many other phones released by Samsung since the SGS, such as the SGS+ or the Galaxy S Advance etc etc) samsung dont want to put ICS on the SGS so as to force people to buy a newer phone if the want ICS from samsung.
Which i find pretty appalling on their part, a really consumers company like Sony dont do this, all their xperia line up is getting ICS!!
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Its not that the SGS cant run ICS, the number of ICS ports out there for the SGS and the phones, such as this galaxy pocket, which are low end and are running ICS show that the SGS could eeeasily run ICS, its just that what with the SGS being a little bit older now, (the SGS3 is coming out soon, and there have been many other phones released by Samsung since the SGS, such as the SGS+ or the Galaxy S Advance etc etc) samsung dont want to put ICS on the SGS so as to force people to buy a newer phone if the want ICS from samsung.
Which i find pretty appalling on their part, a really consumers company like Sony dont do this, all their xperia line up is getting ICS!!
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It's because the Galaxy S have a smaller /system partition. With full touchwiz, the ROM wouldn't fit on it. And Samsung isn't gonna take out touchwiz for an update to a 2 year old device. A smaller device like that would have smaller ROMs than SGS and the ICS will most likely fit (it's running touchwiz lite and some apps are probably generic so the entire touch wiz is smaller).
Htc is updating DHD to htc sense 4.0 with ics, makes me think how far they will update Htc One X with newer senses, unlike samsung which didn't give us even touchwiz 4 -.- I will buy as my next phone Htc One X.
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The answer is one word - "marketing"
Bad for us SGS I owners....
It's just an affront to every SGS+ user. Few month old phone is not being supported anymore.
Imagine you SGS guys would still be stucked with Froyo, without even a custom port.
Well our sgs has a 4 inch 480*800 resolution screen while that device has a 2.8 inch screen which has very low resolution but that has a 850mhz processor and we only have a 1 MHz , while the difference in resolution is very high the processor frequencies aren't very far away so maybe that processor can handle ics on that device cause if low resolution.
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Well our sgs has a 4 inch 480*800 resolution screen while that device has a 2.8 inch screen which has very low resolution but that has a 850mhz processor and we only have a 1 MHz , while the difference in resolution is very high the processor frequencies aren't very far away so maybe that processor can handle ics on that device cause if low resolution.
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All things you wrote have nothing to do with CPU, instead they 're GPU's job. Of course we all know SGS has amazing GPU.
One more thing, Sony Ericsson phones have higher screen resolutions and have also 1 GHz CPU's.
I would like to see ICS for SGS with TW lite like that small phone has, but It wont happen.
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All things you wrote have nothing to do with CPU, instead they 're GPU's job. Of course we all know SGS has amazing GPU.
One more thing, Sony Ericsson phones have higher screen resolutions and have also 1 GHz CPU's.
I would like to see ICS for SGS with TW lite like that small phone has, but It wont happen.
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It maybe also related to ram, new generation of ram chips consume low ram, on sgs just the settings app takes 32mb. 0_o. I am no expert but that maybe a case. Or it may just be what the world calls 'MARKETING'.
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It maybe also related to ram, new generation of ram chips consume low ram, on sgs just the settings app takes 32mb. 0_o. I am no expert but that maybe a case. Or it may just be what the world calls 'MARKETING'.
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Might be possible, like 1.5ghz dualcore can be faster than 1.5ghz quadcore, depending on the architechture, if i spelled it right.
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Marketing, for sure. I'm on a SGS+ which has the same processor and GPU as e.g. the SE Arc S. And both the SE and my Samsung only have 512MB RAM but the SE will get ICS for sure. So Samsung simply does not give a **** on their users once they bought the device.
to every1 who posted here .. if we look on the flip side of this issue samsung was the 1st to give us a feature complete phone 2 yrs ago .. so much so that a lot of ppl got the same phone .. because of that now we have tons of devs working to develop fr this device .. and i think we should be happy that we have a device whic has widespread use .. as for ics .. there are tons of roms out there that are not so hard to install with a little bit of reading .. and for those who want touchwiz .. even that is ported over from the sgs2 and is close to being a daily rom .. just my 2cents
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to every1 who posted here .. if we look on the flip side of this issue samsung was the 1st to give us a feature complete phone 2 yrs ago ..
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Na, not everyone. Or you might replace years with months.
Eclair, froyo, gingerbread. More updates than many devices can boast. Some HTC 's are still on froyo........ I for one am quite satisfied with the amount and frequency of updates the sgs has received over the last couple of years.
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I strongly recommend you to install ICS from XDA development, together with Semaphore kernel. It is working great in my device, and battery consumption is less than with Gingerbread.
As it is plain Google software, as extra bonus you get the original calendar app, which improves a lot the Samsung one if you are only using google calendar.
Regards
this really sucks
whatever the reason, i would love to see SGS with ICS and TW4
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It maybe also related to ram, new generation of ram chips consume low ram, on sgs just the settings app takes 32mb. 0_o. I am no expert but that maybe a case. Or it may just be what the world calls 'MARKETING'.
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What do you mean by that? "It maybe also related to ram, new generation of ram chips consume low ram" Doesn't make sense, todays 1GB file = older hard drive requiring 10GB of space to store?
Don't change your sgs for any htc or sony. Keep it to dead. Or change with a samsung or motorola one. Just saying. Experianced.
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Don't change your sgs for any htc or sony. Keep it to dead. Or change with a samsung or motorola one. Just saying. Experianced.
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Why?
I was planning on replacing the SGS with the HTC One X.