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Interesting but at the same time I have no cred for Phandroid. They post a lot of rumors...Oh well, nothing personal against them, interesting article
http://phandroid.com/2010/04/20/android-2-2-coming-soon/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Edit: They got it from Android and Me
http://androidandme.com/2010/04/new...m_campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)
it would seem to make sense though...especially that adobe seems to have confirmed that flash will come to android phones in Q2.
instead of just providing an ota for flash it would make sense google would incorporate it into a completely fresh build thus reducing the amount of possible bugs that could happen just banging flash on top of 2.1
may does seem a good time for an update so guess we'll just have to wait and see!
I suspect adobe is using the OpenGL additions that are coming in the next android release, so it would make sense that they two releases might be synchronized.
I don't think we will see anything until at least after the I/O conference at the end of May.
Nice news op. Hope this pulls through so I can laugh in them incredible owners face...lol. j/k
Interesting find...this would be very cool maybe in the next few months
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Nice news op. Hope this pulls through so I can laugh in them incredible owners face...lol. j/k
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lol.
Hopefully they do somthing about the market in 2.2. The stuff in the blog post is nice, but the market is beyond usable.
And would it kill someone to make a decent buck hunter android app!?!!?... not that that has anything to do with Froyo.
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Hopefully they do somthing about the market in 2.2. The stuff in the blog post is nice, but the market is beyond usable.
And would it kill someone to make a decent buck hunter android app!?!!?... not that that has anything to do with Froyo.
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The Market is OK, AppBrain makes it much better
Dear all, I found this in another forum and please let the number grow!
http://www.petitiononline.com/a6262/petition.html
I would sign this if it didn't have the fact that they are obligated to provide the update, they have no obligation at all as the product in its current form with 1.5 is fit for the purpose. The 2.1 update is to provide extras in a way and not a firmware update its a complete os change. (well kind of)
I also would like the update asap but to the amount of people on probably all the development sites they are fully out numbered by the users who dont mess with the software 50 fold for the hero so HTC dont really care tbh.. and i know that for a fact
Adding new functionality to an old phone that will hamper the sales of other new 2.1 phones is the conflict any company would undergo as the projected sales are most definitely effected by an update like this!!
Defo sucks... shame HTC cant just release the sources and the pressure to bring out the rom wouldn't be as great.
@anarchyUK: I disagree that HTC aren't obligated to provide Android 2.1 for the Hero.
Had they NOT made public announcements, confirmed 'rumours' to be true in reply to probably hundreds of bloggers' queries (email or otherwise) and even stated expected release dates for the Hero 2.1 update, then one could argue that they are not obligated to provide it. However after making so many promises to Hero users and still not being able to deliver is downright pathetic of them. Nobody forced them to say 1.6 was coming to the Hero, or 2.0 for that matter, OR 2.1. They're the ones who made the announcements, and they're the ones who are obligated to stick to their word now.
I for one am ticked off to the point of never supporting them by getting an HTC phone again. It's even more infuriating when you consider that 1) the Legend has most exactly the same hardware WITH 2.1 support, and 2) independent developers have managed to put together reasonably stable 2.1 builds for both the GSM and CDMA Hero, all WITHOUT access to Hero-specific drivers/kernels or what not (I'm not sure exactly what it is modding devs need to perfect their builds, but you get the idea) that HTC have hidden away for God knows what; doesn't seem like its doing them any good, all they do is keep pushing back their release dates.
So HTC can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I'm not signing the petition because even if they released the update in the next hour, I will not be getting it out of principle (more stubborn-ness though). I'd rather support the hard-working independent devs because at least they give a **** about Android, and not about how much money they'll get.
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They are obligated to provide a new firmware because 1.5 is BUGGY!
Nonsense.
I agree that I would love to have the 2.x update yesterday but the current 1.5 is rock solid. It never crashed on me and works like a charm.
The only reason I would like the 2.1 update is because of the improvements on the bluetooth stack and the improved voice functions.
i think they delayed 2.1 release cause they haver moved most of there developers to there new devices and the team working on the hero update is probably very small now, if anyone has noticed how buggy these 2.1 leaks are with battery drainage camera color errors, the slowness, i think its the right move for them to delay the release of the update until these issues are sorted
They are not obliged in any way to provide 2.1 because 1.5 is buggy, they are obliged to make every attempt to fix the bugs within 1.5. (uk sales of good act and eu regulations) And for the other responses saying they have announced it and that makes them obliged? are we in make believe land now?
The update is good will from HTC if anything. I think HTC releasing this when they do is a very different thing compared to other companies like nokia who would rather release 10 other variants of a phone instead of upgrading a s60 3rd edition to a 5th edition...
Considering the Hero I have is on a 24 month contract I dont really think banging on about it like people do is really worth the bother. My point being a petition is pointless.
If they're delaying it, they're delaying it for a good reason.
@anarchyuk: From your second post I got the feeling you are talking about 'obligated' in the legal sense...FYI I was talking about them making good on their word. I do realize that they are not legally obliged to provide the 2.1 or other updates, but like I said, we didn't ask for it first, they said they'd release it and got everyone's hopes up. No fault of the users to complain if HTC cannot deliver.
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From your second post I got the feeling you are talking about 'obligated' in the legal sense...FYI I was talking about them making good on their word. I do realize that they are not legally obliged to provide the 2.1 or other updates, but like I said, we didn't ask for it first, they said they'd release it and got everyone's hopes up. No fault of the users to complain if HTC cannot deliver.
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I agree in the loyalty sense they are obliged to deliver a promise, but that wasn't aimed at your post it was mainly at the "because 1.5 is buggy they have to release 2.1" train of thought.
who knows what the main reasons behind the delay are but I can guarantee it has some link to money!!
Hopefully the development section for the X10 will kick into gear and then it is bye bye to HTC phones for the time being for me!
I'd rather wait an extra month or two and get a stable, finished product than get a hastened, buggy release, another wave of whining about how evil HTC are to release a buggy software. Some people cannot be pleased.
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I'd rather wait an extra month or two and get a stable, finished product than get a hastened, buggy release, another wave of whining about how evil HTC are to release a buggy software. Some people cannot be pleased.
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Lets be clear here, HTC have released 2.1 with Sense for the Legend, and internally this device is almost identical to the Hero. Therefore, we can be reasonably certain that the reason for the delay is not because it is unfinished or buggy - at least no more so than the version they've shipped on the Legend.
IMHO, it is a marketing decision pure and simple, so that it doesn't affect early sales of the Legend and Desire. They did much the same when they released Sense UI for the Magic some months after the Hero had shipped, despite the fact that the hardware was again very similar.
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It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.
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It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.
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I didn't say that the hardware wasn't an issue - I said that the Legends hardware is almost identical to the Hero's. If HTC had already released the
kernel source for Legend, I'd wager that porting it to the Hero would be comparatively trivial (especially when compared to manually updating 2.6.27 to 2.6.29!) and we'd have fully working ROMs in well less than 2 months!
That being said, I find the latest Villain ROMs (5.2/5.3) are pretty much feature complete and the only issue I have with them is the less than stellar battery life (which I'm sure is a kernel issue).
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That being said, I find the latest Villain ROMs (5.2/5.3) are pretty much feature complete and the only issue I have with them is the less than stellar battery life (which I'm sure is a kernel issue).
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My feelings exactly. That's why I'm not bothered much with HTC's official ROM being delayed.
maybe the battery issue is the reason it hasnt been released
Looking from a business perspective on petitions,all this will do is annoy HTC to the point where they will say "well,**** you all then!we work our asses off to give them a brilliant update and they try to force us into releasing it sooner.They can stay on 1.5 and we will concentrate on the newest models"
Everyone is getting agitated because they stupidly believed rumours,now they have supposedly said June.until I see on Twitter they have released it,I wont believe any new threads on the 2.1 update!
Basically a petition will just piss them off.How much would you like some people telling you to work fastr?
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It's certainly possible, however if the hardware wasn't an issue here, we'd already have plenty of fully-working ROMs ported from the Legend. All the 2.1 ROMs I've tried so far, however, are more or less buggy, which makes me believe the situation is not that simple as it would seem. Still, I'm not a programmer, so it's just a wild guess of mine.
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You're under a misapprehension here. Current custom 2.1 roms aren't buggy because the leaked htc code is buggy. They're buggy because the custom 2.1 rom builders don't yet have access to the 2.1 gsm Hero kernel. All they have to go on are the old kernel & kernels for alternative hardware. It is obvious, more than likely, why 2.1 hasn't been released yet.
Threads about this are boring enough at the best of times, but when posters back up false claims with unsound arguments it dilutes what little value the thread might have had remaining.
Threads about this are boring enough at the best of times, but when posters back up false claims with unsound arguments it dilutes what little value the thread might have had remaining.
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...word!
THAT won't happen. I don't even think HTC will read those petitions, no stakeholder cares about them so it's just wasted time. And thinking that such a petition could cause HTC to react childish as you said is just not realistic. They are in it for the money, and they need happy customers. Thats why we will get 2.1 at some point.
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Looking from a business perspective on petitions,all this will do is annoy HTC to the point where they will say "well,**** you all then!we work our asses off to give them a brilliant update and they try to force us into releasing it sooner.They can stay on 1.5 and we will concentrate on the newest models"
Everyone is getting agitated because they stupidly believed rumours,now they have supposedly said June.until I see on Twitter they have released it,I wont believe any new threads on the 2.1 update!
Basically a petition will just piss them off.How much would you like some people telling you to work fastr?
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In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.
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In case people havent noticed, real development around here has slowed to a crawl. With the GalaxyS 4G now selling and TMO ending the sale of the vibrant, we have slipped onto the backburner. This is what is great about cyanogenmod also. As long as we get on the supported devices list, we will always get updates that we can build.
I am also pretty sure the sheer annoyance of the vibrant forums has made quite a few want to leave the platform, for that reason alone. I almost sold mine for that reason, go read the G1 forums, they already have honeycomb, and it is because they are working together, not complaining about release of something new. They just dont realize that they are new themes, not features.
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Ehh I have to disagree, I think were doing way better than what we were, Yeah the other devs that left were great, but we still have some good devs around, I think will be fine for the time being, Atleast until the sgs2 comes out.
We've got are the same great roms we always had as before, which have been improved, a bunch of new 2.2.1 roms, made possible by Eugene before he left, and 2 Gingerbread betas.
I think the plateau development has hit is due to the lack of Gingerbread source. The only keck was for i9000, iirc. Froyo roms are perfect as they are. More great leaps will come in due time.
One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+
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One Gingerbread leak. JUST ONE GINGERBREAD LEAK.
You will see development increase by 300%+
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Exactly! 1 tiny little leak will change the game! Dude imagine if it was a tiny leak of honey comb, that would be the biggest game changer on earth lol
Only one can dream.
What do you want your phone to do that development hasn't already provided?
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WTH are you talking about? I keep seeing posts about development stopping but I set half a dozen roms from 2.2, 2.2.1 available and 2.3 ports with MIUI, CM7, and Whitehawx. 5 new kernels in the last few weeks. Do people have short memory or something? In the so call hay days I remember 2 roms from TW, one from Master, and one from Eugene and you have to sit there and wait till Krylon finds a new leak before anything happens.
I agree. I am not sure what kind of OCD phone flashing desire some people are experiencing. How many ROM flavors can you possibly need. We already have a handful of great developers hacking their way through the current limited software available from various Samsung leaks. Realistically I am happy we have any custom ROMs at all, since the Vibrant specifically is a very small subset of the larger Galaxy S family. Expecting to see the number of options such as those for the Nexus One a while back is simply not realistic.
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I feel like the Vibrant roms for Froyo are almost as good as it's going to get. We've lost some great devs to drama but i think overall we're doing great. Things are going to get hot again when gingerbread drops.
it just reloads googles home page ?
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it just reloads googles home page ?
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yup, I had a feeling that would happen after the whole bootloader brewhaha
Well damn...... I'm sure it will pop back up (with a different name ofcourse)
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When the site became 911htc.com I had a bad felling that that was going to happen, beacuse it makes it easy to be founded, and that was not a good idea, look at what happened months ago to some streaming sites...
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just tried to find to weasel my way in in case it's just the front page that is redirecting but can't find anything on there. It looks like Google in miami was the one hosting since it's showing their 404 message and they're redirecting to themselves. Whoever registered it knew what they were doing and were willing to spend a little money in order to cover their tracks.
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just tried to find to weasel my way in in case it's just the front page that is redirecting but can't find anything on there. It looks like Google in miami was the one hosting since it's showing their 404 message and they're redirecting to themselves. Whoever registered it knew what they were doing and were willing to spend a little money in order to cover their tracks.
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Don't know about that becuase for buying an .com you need to pay with you credit card so they will only know Who are you, so they will give that info to HTC if they asked...
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So why did it just vanish lol ? Some legal reason ?
well that blows......there goes getting system dumps......whois shows no owner information either......
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So why did it just vanish lol ? Some legal reason ?
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you tell us and we will all know
Maybe the government applied it to the internet blacklist?
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protect_ip_sustain/?akid=669.278294.1DGqiU&rd=1&recurring=1&t=1
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Maybe the government applied it to the internet blacklist?
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/protect_ip_sustain/?akid=669.278294.1DGqiU&rd=1&recurring=1&t=1
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naw, it looks like 911 took it down himself. His old blog disappeared at the same time.
Better get your proxy and IRC server lists ready if they try to block the internet.
Could be the result of receiving a "cease and desist" letter. But then again we can speculate all day and never know.
just chaneged the element
I hope he returns. Leaks help make ports!!!
I want leaks of ice cream for Evo 3d!!!
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I don't understand why stuff like this happens...Doesn't any of these involved companies realize that leaks, insider info, and other "rougue" information serve to generate hype, and therefor increased interest in their products? Developers are working on THEIR phones, creating and enhancing THEIR crappy code...People get excited on rom drops and RUU leaks!
My Evo currently runs a Sense 3.0 rom, and even though the battery live is pretty lacking (even on extended battery!), I have had the fortunate opportunity to experience what the Evo 3D is going to be like, which changed my mind from keeping the Evo to pre-ordering the 3D, even before I know when the thing actually drops!
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I don't understand why stuff like this happens...Doesn't any of these involved companies realize that leaks, insider info, and other "rougue" information serve to generate hype, and therefor increased interest in their products? Developers are working on THEIR phones, creating and enhancing THEIR crappy code...People get excited on rom drops and RUU leaks!
My Evo currently runs a Sense 3.0 rom, and even though the battery live is pretty lacking (even on extended battery!), I have had the fortunate opportunity to experience what the Evo 3D is going to be like, which changed my mind from keeping the Evo to pre-ordering the 3D, even before I know when the thing actually drops!
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There are negatives you're ignoring. How about the fact that some of those leaks have lead to phones bricking?
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There are negatives you're ignoring. How about the fact that some of those leaks have lead to phones bricking?
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I doubt they're worried about that, I'm sure they would be glad to brick a few phones through here as long as they catch it before it gets pushed out OTA. The whole having thousands upon thousands of people protesting and harassing you over a leaked ROM though. You already know it got the CEOs attention, and you can bet he's wanting to know why and how it happened.
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I don't understand why stuff like this happens...Doesn't any of these involved companies realize that leaks, insider info, and other "rougue" information serve to generate hype, and therefor increased interest in their products? Developers are working on THEIR phones, creating and enhancing THEIR crappy code...People get excited on rom drops and RUU leaks!
My Evo currently runs a Sense 3.0 rom, and even though the battery live is pretty lacking (even on extended battery!), I have had the fortunate opportunity to experience what the Evo 3D is going to be like, which changed my mind from keeping the Evo to pre-ordering the 3D, even before I know when the thing actually drops!
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couple things you might want to consider here:
the percentage of people that get excited about ROM leaks is a very very small part of their user base.
and like matty mentioned, an unfinished code leak with possible very serious bugs does nothing to further their cause, or improve the final product. especially when they are used as ports.
in relation to this, and furthermore, I think it is a great mistake to undervalue and diminish the talents and efforts of the people writing the original source code for these ROMs by calling the work "crappy".
without any insult intended to anyones work here, less than half of the devs here are actually "writing" any code, or improving on the work of the original source writers on a base functional level. debatable, some are, but most are not. with a few exceptions, almost all of the fully functional (imho), awesome (imho) ROMs are based on finished work done by those same original coders.
when a leak drops for the Evo, if it has serious bugs, those bugs most often stay until a gold drops.
(haha, just my two cents. im fulla ****)
all that being said, I am saddened to see a great resource disappear.
What I fail to understand is why people STILL underestimate the power of the "small userbase" that you all seem to well, underestimate?
I said it once and I will say it again, we are the people who show off the stuff these upcoming phones can do by showing people the latest leak that got ported to our phones.
Not one person on this site can say they didn't have some sort of influence on the purchase of someone they know. I find that one hard to believe. and these companies know it. That's why they often do things like sale phones with unlocked bootloaders and such.
Govt. must be crackin down.. a few of the other bootlegger sites I tried to frequent this weekend were shutdown.
Well just like the title says. Has anyone started a place to voice to HTC about the lack of official sense 2.1 for the EVO?
I'm kinda disappointed about this since the shift got it and it would help the dev comunity as far as roms
Has there been a public outcry on Facebook or Twitter that I may add to?
Good luck with that.
I'm kinda disappointed about this since the shift got it and it would help the dev comunity as far as roms
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The shift is a newer phone, therefore it gets newer software.
You could flash mikg 2.2, its sense 2.1/3.0, fast, stable, stock. its a sweet rom
We're comin from a pure power source.
Virus's Kingdom has 3.0. That's as close as your going to get to having newer HTC Sense on the OG EVO. I don't think HTC will even put Sense 2.1 on our phones, sorry.
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Actually I'm running MikG 2.2 right now and enjoying it minus some small things that come from using the shift as a base like no hdmi output.
I understand shift is newer hardware, but c'mon other than graphics it doesn't do anything better than the EVO. The EVO4G is still up there spec wise to handsets being put out right now.
Reason for this thread is if HTC can listen to their customers about unlocking bootloaders and gingerbread for older devices why can't they do something about this?
If anyone has any ideas please post. I'll probably post on their Facebook or Twitter page to see if I can stir the pot.
you can troll their twitter and facebook feeds...facebook seems more like a way for them to do PR releases and whatnot, but it hardly gets commented on by the page admins, their twitter account however seems very active
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you can troll their twitter and facebook feeds...facebook seems more like a way for them to do PR releases and whatnot, but it hardly gets commented on by the page admins, their twitter account however seems very active
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I make it a point to remind Sprint daily on their twitter feed that their network sucks. I doubt it gets to anybody that cares, but it makes me feel better.
Can't hurt to tweet to HTC. They seem to be in the giving mood recently, what with their little bootloader handout announcement.
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I make it a point to remind Sprint daily on their twitter feed that their network sucks. I doubt it gets to anybody that cares, but it makes me feel better.
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LOL
I'm not a Twitter user, but guess its worth a shot. I figured something like this might have already been started.
Well, you can stand on your front porch and yell it really loud. Even if you live next to HTC headquarters, they ain't gonna hear you. I'm sure they've already evaluated from a technical and marketing perspective which phones they're going to give Sense 2.1 to, and we haven't seen any indications we made the cut.
The Shift is a newer and faster phone, both of which mean that the fact they gave it to the Shift doesn't mean anything for us.
I'm surprised you want it from them, the devs here delivered 2.1 + 3.0 in beautiful packages. Media Share is a great alternative to the HDMI output.
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