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Hi,
I have in my hands HTC Desire and Xperia X10. It's clear that Desire is faster than X10. Everything related to graphics are faster and smooth.
HTC Sense is really, really beautiful and in my opinion it is smooth as iphone (graphically, other aspects Desire won easily).
I'm curious to know if when SE update X10 to Android 2.1 we will have improvement of speed and finally have smooth movements without flickering.
Desire right now has the best user experience, no lags, no flickering in movements, best response in touch screen. But I can't deny that X10 its the most beautiful design (despite not fit in my pocket very well hehe), its something that really attract attention and everybody love it. Timescape also is really nice application, but the Android 1.6 is just a simple Android 1.6, no nice features htc sense ofc.
So, someone believe that with Android 2.1 we will have these improvements (speed graphically) for X10?
I read somewhere that when the x10 gets a 2.1 update, the screen will display 16million colours, not sure how accurate this information is but if its true, that would be great
Saricorleone said:
I read somewhere that when the x10 gets a 2.1 update, the screen will display 16million colours, not sure how accurate this information is but if its true, that would be great
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Yeah, I hear that they will release a 2.1 update, however it will take some time..
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Yeah, I hear that they will release a 2.1 update, however it will take some time..
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Yeah.. about second half of 2010, that's anytime between middle of summer... and christmas... that's a long wait...
i dont think they said second half, didnt they say second quarter? thats apr-jun
I would guess second half. Phone was only just released in Canada in second quarter. We can hope though.
even with 1.6 the screen color is nice already because of the 24bit color ala palm pre.
i think is more of the memory issue since the x10 has only 384MB ram.
Yeah, I don't know, but I have tested both phones, Desire and X10, of course the design of X10 is more beautiful then Desire, however, Desire is so fast that it compensate the beauty. At the end, it fit very well in my pocket (x10 doesn't fit because of the square form), testing the browser I could see that Desire is faster.
At the end, I believe that SE needs to improve a lot, when they arrive there, for sure I'll change to it, but for now, I'll stay with who have more life experience with Android, HTC Sense is really good, I'm impressed how it is fast!
I hope that with Android 2.1 X10 become faster.
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even with 1.6 the screen color is nice already because of the 24bit color ala palm pre.
i think is more of the memory issue since the x10 has only 384MB ram.
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You sure? My phone says I currently have 414mb of free space and 14.59GB of SD space.
Udonitron said:
You sure? My phone says I currently have 414mb of free space and 14.59GB of SD space.
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mine says 387mb free on internal phone, 2 days ago it was 392mb
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You sure? My phone says I currently have 414mb of free space and 14.59GB of SD space.
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ROM and RAM are two different things. the 414 you have is Free ROM, which is used to install Apps, not the RAM.
tommy96814 said:
even with 1.6 the screen color is nice already because of the 24bit color ala palm pre.
i think is more of the memory issue since the x10 has only 384MB ram.
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I hardly think it's because of "only" 384MB RAM. It's still quite enough and my X10 never gets slow or low on RAM. I think it's because of 1.6 not being able to fully utilize the hardware in the phone!
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I hardy think it's because of "only" 384MB RAM. It's still quite enough and my X10 never gets slow or low on RAM. I think it's because of 1.6 not being able to fully utilize the hardware in the phone!
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i agree, i have everytime around 120mb-150mb memory left, on my motorola milestone it was around 50mb, so i'm satisfied with this result. even on my motorola it was still fast, so it's only better
There are a bucktetload of tiny fixes outside of the big ones that tend to get all the press as far as the changes going from 1.6 to 2.1. All these little things add up. I would be surprised if the X10 does not move straight to froyo though. With the latest rumurs being september (these also include the fact that multi touch may in fact work, check the phone sites like phonearena) and internal testers at google already running hardware on froyo it seems a more likely target.
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There are a bucktetload of tiny fixes outside of the big ones that tend to get all the press as far as the changes going from 1.6 to 2.1. All these little things add up. I would be surprised if the X10 does not move straight to froyo though. With the latest rumurs being september (these also include the fact that multi touch may in fact work, check the phone sites like phonearena) and internal testers at google already running hardware on froyo it seems a more likely target.
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Humm, even if the people come and say that X10 never will have multitouch I'll just believe when someone disassembly it and show me that there are no hardware capable to do it inside. I just believe that SE is mentioning that is not multitouch capable because of 1.6.
Hey guys,
I am due an upgrade from vodafone UK and am thinking of either a sensation or a galaxy S II and was wondering if anyone here can help me out decide?
As i see it the specs are pretty similar, almost too close to call. AMOLED in the Samsung should give really nice blacks and decent battery i guess, but the biggest thing to separate the 2 is the UI, sense or touchwiz.
I love my HD2 and will keep it to hack around with and flash etc.
Thanks for any thoughts to split the 2 big android phones of the year.
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Hey guys,
I am due an upgrade from vodafone UK and am thinking of either a sensation or a galaxy S II and was wondering if anyone here can help me out decide?
As i see it the specs are pretty similar, almost too close to call. AMOLED in the Samsung should give really nice blacks and decent battery i guess, but the biggest thing to separate the 2 is the UI, sense or touchwiz.
I love my HD2 and will keep it to hack around with and flash etc.
Thanks for any thoughts to split the 2 big android phones of the year.
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As far as straight hardware the SGS2 wins. SAMOLED display, 1ghz ram instead of the 768MB in the sensation. 16gb internal storage instead of the 1gb usable in the sensation (with microsd expandable).
Let's talk software. Go look at the Galaxy S dev section of this forum, then take a look at the HD2, or the Desire, or other HTC devices.
Devs always seem to flock to HTC devices over Samsung.
Compare Sense 3.0 to Touchwiz... Not even close. Sense 3.0 is better in so many ways, aesthetically speaking, functionally speaking, integration with contacts, facebook, better widgets, better everything IMO.
of course, there will be an awesome CM7 for the SGS2 so if you don't care about sense, you may go with this, just remember the lag issues the Vibrant has, and some of the freeze issues and other things I hate about it. The Nexus S seems fine but there again, Google wrote straight code for that without Samsung ****ing it up.
I'm going Sensation personally, but the SGS2 is a phone to be reckoned with...
The one and only issue with SGS2 is the Samsung software, they can and do regularly screw up software on otherwise great phones, the SGS1 was a prime example of that imho.
If they kept closer to the google stock versions it would be my choice, but currently there is no real replacement for the HD2, I may keep mine and go sim only
orangekid said:
As far as straight hardware the SGS2 wins. SAMOLED display, 1ghz ram instead of the 768MB in the sensation. 16gb internal storage instead of the 1gb usable in the sensation (with microsd expandable).
Let's talk software. Go look at the Galaxy S dev section of this forum, then take a look at the HD2, or the Desire, or other HTC devices.
Devs always seem to flock to HTC devices over Samsung.
Compare Sense 3.0 to Touchwiz... Not even close. Sense 3.0 is better in so many ways, aesthetically speaking, functionally speaking, integration with contacts, facebook, better widgets, better everything IMO.
of course, there will be an awesome CM7 for the SGS2 so if you don't care about sense, you may go with this, just remember the lag issues the Vibrant has, and some of the freeze issues and other things I hate about it. The Nexus S seems fine but there again, Google wrote straight code for that without Samsung ****ing it up.
I'm going Sensation personally, but the SGS2 is a phone to be reckoned with...
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Man dang good post, I agree totally with you on the Sensation A.K.A the Pyramid (I still that that was a cooler name). Personally I prefer the option of expandable memory with Micro SD over a fixed internal memory. I mean you do have advantages with a phone with fixed internal memory, but lets face it most devices now days with a quote "imternal memory" are really using a hidden SD card as the memory now and not a NAND chip. The SD card option is much cheaper for manufactures than NAND chips. But I still like being abale to remove my SD card and and use a card reader to transfer big files or print photos from it at a photo printer in store. It is a lot of advantages in havong removable storage to me.
Just my thoughts.
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Man dang good post, I agree totally with you on the Sensation A.K.A the Pyramid (I still that that was a cooler name). Personally I prefer the option of expandable memory with Micro SD over a fixed internal memory. I mean you do have advantages with a phone with fixed internal memory, but lets face it most devices now days with a quote "imternal memory" are really using a hidden SD card as the memory now and not a NAND chip. The SD card option is much cheaper for manufactures than NAND chips. But I still like being abale to remove my SD card and and use a card reader to transfer big files or print photos from it at a photo printer in store. It is a lot of advantages in havong removable storage to me.
Just my thoughts.
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I actually agree with you after looking at it some more, I mean what if you want to move your media to another phone or something? How about if you want to boot a ROM from SD (something some android devices can do). I really hate the raid zero WP7 phones do with the SD, and although Android treats it differently, IMO NAND + microSD is the way to go.
I also agree the "Pyramid" is a cooler name. This will be my next device and worthy of upgrading my HD2 to. Samsung cannot code for **** and they would be better off making phones and having Google write their code or putting their hardware in iPhones (like they've been doing)
not swayed yet...
orangekid said:
As far as straight hardware the SGS2 wins. SAMOLED display, 1ghz ram instead of the 768MB in the sensation. 16gb internal storage instead of the 1gb usable in the sensation (with microsd expandable).
Let's talk software. Go look at the Galaxy S dev section of this forum, then take a look at the HD2, or the Desire, or other HTC devices.
Devs always seem to flock to HTC devices over Samsung.
Compare Sense 3.0 to Touchwiz... Not even close. Sense 3.0 is better in so many ways, aesthetically speaking, functionally speaking, integration with contacts, facebook, better widgets, better everything IMO.
of course, there will be an awesome CM7 for the SGS2 so if you don't care about sense, you may go with this, just remember the lag issues the Vibrant has, and some of the freeze issues and other things I hate about it. The Nexus S seems fine but there again, Google wrote straight code for that without Samsung ****ing it up.
I'm going Sensation personally, but the SGS2 is a phone to be reckoned with...
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Good points. I have been seeing a lot of reviews lately of the Sensation. I have been waiting for a phone of its ilk for a while. However, from being an HD2 user, I really wanted to see power and battery life improved in the next phone i get. I am now an HTC lover, but I am really having a hard time understanding why they are lowering the bar on some of their new releases - especially the sensation.
It was a little odd that the sensation has less ram AND a poorer battery than the upcoming EVO 3d (which I am already getting grief from my Sprint friends), but after reading this review http://pulsene.ws/1HKxA I find out that it is not even up to speed with the competition. The first two paragraphs were eye openers.
I really don't want to jump the gun, like I did with the hd2 over waiting for the hd7. AND now I read that the Sensation Bootloader is locked as well?!?!? I am not saying that I will not get it, but I really don't understand why HTC is intentionally coming out the gate with a product that is behind.
Mmm ask Sony Ericsson that too. I think it's because general consumers could care less about the performance specs of a phone. E.g. Does it look good? How much Megapixels does it have? Front facing camera? HD video? How much storage? Touch screen? Lots of apps? Games? wifi? Does it work with 3g? How much is it? etc. Frig I don't care if the bootloader is locked, I don't even know what that is. That's something a general consumer would say.
Anyways I find the sgs 2 more appealing. Well mostly cuz of the overall space it can hold and the camera. 64 gb of space will rid me of my paranoia of the limits of memory, plus if the rumor of it holding a 64 gb sd card was true, well, "I love you". With all that space I can say goodbye to carrying around two sd cards and my zune lawl. And the fact that the sensation's bootloader is locked and i have no idea how long the "real" development of the device is gonna take.
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Mmm ask Sony Ericsson that too. I think it's because general consumers could care less about the performance specs of a phone. E.g. Does it look good? How much Megapixels does it have? Front facing camera? HD video? How much storage? Touch screen? Lots of apps? Games? wifi? Does it work with 3g? How much is it? etc. Frig I don't care if the bootloader is locked, I don't even know what that is. That's something a general consumer would say.
Anyways I find the sgs 2 more appealing. Well mostly cuz of the overall space it can hold and the camera. 64 gb of space will rid me of my paranoia of the limits of memory, plus if the rumor of it holding a 64 gb sd card was true, well, "I love you". With all that space I can say goodbye to carrying around two sd cards and my zune lawl. And the fact that the sensation's bootloader is locked and i have no idea how long the "real" development of the device is gonna take.
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I would rather have an Htc Sensations. I tried the ported one in my DZ, it looks awesome
Since you mentioned Soner, I should say Soner Xperia Arc is a good device.
But, it is not the best device. However, the Bravia Engine makes different display quality. It is so real, that's why they call it "Reality Display"
Cheers...
I have the same dilemma.
I went to see the Sensation and it was nothing special compared to my HD2, I like more the software in mine (CM7), the screen is too long and it is difficult to reach the notifications.
SGS2, The only Con I see is that is missing the notification light, and I'm addicted to it, I had the chance to buy it in Amsterdam but I didn't bc of this (not to mention the $850).
I'm waiting for something with 4.0 inches like the Incredible S..but I don't feel safe buying it bc it doesn't have warranty in the US.
My perfect phone would be the Nexus S with a good notification light..not BLN.
geekyhawkes said:
Hey guys,
I am due an upgrade from vodafone UK and am thinking of either a sensation or a galaxy S II and was wondering if anyone here can help me out decide?
As i see it the specs are pretty similar, almost too close to call. AMOLED in the Samsung should give really nice blacks and decent battery i guess, but the biggest thing to separate the 2 is the UI, sense or touchwiz.
I love my HD2 and will keep it to hack around with and flash etc.
Thanks for any thoughts to split the 2 big android phones of the year.
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I faced the same question, I got the Sensation and am Super excited with it. Our root comes in by the end of the week, and we already have a couple of custom roms going. Definitely go for the sensation!
Well there are apps for you to use the LED buttons as a notification LED so not really a drawback.
Anyways it depends on what you want. If you want a super smooth experience, the sgs 2 is a good go, obviously from it having the best speced phone.
The sensation is smooth also, but not as much as the sgs 2 since sense is eating away. But as said as above, you get a complete experience with sense, meaning sense has functionality that other phones simply don't have.
One big drawback I find with the sensation however is that we are only left with i think 200mb ram. Now that is just sad for a device as itself. With the sgs 2, you are left with 500+, so you can expect yourself not to be lagging from no memory.
Now really, I can keep talking and talking, but as you see, my talking is biased towards the sgs 2, as i do think it is the superior, but that shouldn't persuade you. Really you should be out there trying out both devices, and then be choosing which, not letting me persuade you to buy "this phone". Man cannot be a follower forever.
First part of my Sensation Vs SGSII review now up http://t.co/oMbZwvn
Also upcoming video showing the SGSII Vs Sensation in playing my test video clips (range of codecs etc - 1080p/720p/MKV/high profile/DTS, AC3, Vorbis, dual audio sound/internal MKV subs, external subs etc).
johnerz said:
The one and only issue with SGS2 is the Samsung software, they can and do regularly screw up software on otherwise great phones, the SGS1 was a prime example of that imho.
If they kept closer to the google stock versions it would be my choice, but currently there is no real replacement for the HD2, I may keep mine and go sim only
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Samsung's software on the SGSII seems to be lag free. I am yet to see any complain of any lag whatsoever.
None. Well at least if you get the Sensation you'll be bored, after having an HD2. Not a worthy upgrade I think. SGSII is well... Idk, it doesn't convince me. W8 for the next HTC maybe.
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1ghz ram instead of the 768MB
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1 "ghz" of ram?? lol
hmm, I think you are confusing RAM and CPU
Count me in for the same debate 'should I go Sensation or Sgs2'.
I had the advantage to play with both devices at once for a couple of hours.
Personally I would say Samsung.
Yes, the software is not as good as the Sensation (note the 'not as' meaning it is not bad) but the hardware is top notch.
The screen of the SGS2 is very very good, even outside in the sun you see something which to me is important.
I also did some video tests and the Samsung wins. Less autofocus and luminance hunting, overal a much more stabile video than the oversharped and overcompressed Sensation video.
The speakers on the Samsung, well you can hear them unlike the tweeter sound on the Sensation.
The fact that they have donated a SGS2 to the CM team makes me think they want us to develop the ultimate machine which I really like since Android is and should be open source. Their native roms work ok for the crowd so why not have a team develope the ultimate for the xda kind of people. Very clever and wise Samsung.
Ok the body of the SGS2 is made out of plastic but what is not and there is a lot of quality difference in plastic. At least it absorbs when it falls.
Mmm by writing this I think I have made my mind up
Wait for galaxy with faster cpu ;-)
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any phone of what so ever but no comparison to our beloved hd2..... body is awsm... and when u are buying a phone like sgs2 or sensation... u wont be thinking that the body will absorb the shock on falling cause when ull have it in ur hand ull be praying for its wellbeing and not falling ... and yes wait for evo3d
I have both the HD2 and the SGS2 (Stolen last saturday, but insurance will get me another one.)
I dont regret for a second that I preordered the SGS2, it outpreforms my HD2 by far. The screen is extremely good and the phone is stunningly lightweight, everyone who has held it has made comments on the weight. Batterytime is also alot better.
Regarding Touchwiz; I don't use it..Same goes for Sense on my previous HTC's
To me it seem like HTC tend to use cheap components in a lot of their phones, for example the speakers in all my HTC's have sucked compared to SGS2.
People say SGS can seem "plasticy" but I dont agree, everything is solid and non "squeeky" with the exeption of the button beneath the screen(my subjective opinion)
I would not hesitate for a second going for the SGS2, but thats me..
I am sure, CM7, Sense and MIUI will come to the SGS2 as more developers focus on this killer phone..
Sgs2 becoming the new HD2, would for sure be a dream come true
awsm...... if sgs2 gets customisation like hd2 .... damn .... a real dream will come true...
Hi, with all this hype for GS3 and this little update to the hardware? Look at LG already with 2GB ram Optimus LTE2.
So Samsung is not even trying to push the hardware. we all seen the HD screen already on other phones and the zero lag camera (software).
What you guy's think. Are we seeing another Apple like updates?
Dont make a war. Just real opinions.
In some way i kinda agree with you. You are getting in all the threads now and forums fanboys running around having a go at each other on whos phone is better than the others..Its like who has the biggest one and not
Phone is good top notch handset. But still not the kind that would of wowed me. Great innovative apps and the phone has some nice features but also my phone has that to. So you will get people coming from the s2 who will buy this phone anyway. No matter what specs it has just because it has the Galaxy brand on it and it is the newest in town people will buy it no matter what specially after all the secrecy surrounded the phone.
So kinda in a way the samsung guys are like the new sheep and sammy is turning into apple..but at least with this turn of events you get the freedom of android and you can do what you want with your phone instead of being accustomed to one thing with the iphone
What's wrong with the 1Gig of RAM on the GS3?
And let me ask this would you really want an LG phone just because it has more RAM? Raw specs alone don't make a phone or LG would be doing great right now. You have to marry the hardware and software to get a great experience and Samsung has the ability to make it happen, the GS3 will be a great device no need to worry about it.
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What's wrong with the 1Gig of RAM on the GS3?
And let me ask this would you really want an LG phone just because it has more RAM? Raw specs alone don't make a phone or LG would be doing great right now. You have to marry the hardware and software to get a great experience and Samsung has the ability to make it happen, the GS3 will be a great device no need to worry about it.
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not worrying about anything mate. just thought with all the rumors we been hearing and reading that the s3 would of been at least kinda 1.5GB or 2gb. either way like i said the handset is a major upgrade from the s2 but not the big one i expected. nonetheless still a great phone
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not worrying about anything mate. just thought with all the rumors we been hearing and reading that the s3 would of been at least kinda 1.5GB or 2gb. either way like i said the handset is a major upgrade from the s2 but not the big one i expected. nonetheless still a great phone
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Do people need 1.5 GB of RAM on a phone yet? I know things are moving really fast in the mobile world and it's better to have and not need then need and not have but do S2 owners run low on RAM? It's an honest question as I don't have one and wouldn't know.
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Do people need 1.5 GB of RAM on a phone yet? I know things are moving really fast in the mobile world and it's better to have and not need then need and not have but do S2 owners run low on RAM? It's an honest question as I don't have one and wouldn't know.
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no of course there is no need for more RAM. But as you said technology is moving fast and i was kinda expecting it to have the tad minor upgrade in RAM. Still though 1GB is more than good enough. But like i said being the new flagship and all i kinda half expected it to be more..
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Hi, with all this hype for GS3 and this little update to the hardware? Look at LG already with 2GB ram Optimus LTE2.
So Samsung is not even trying to push the hardware. we all seen the HD screen already on other phones and the zero lag camera (software).
What you guy's think. Are we seeing another Apple like updates?
Dont make a war. Just real opinions.
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They are definitely trying to play the hype game now and it's working. Hardware wise, I don't think so. If you compare the S1 to the S2, the differences didn't seem that impressive at the time either. Same resolution screen, slightly larger. At least not to me. They have to make a phone that is both cutting edge and affordable, and I think they are doing that with this phone. But I guess we will see when it really hits the market.
Ics takes lots of ram. I have thw Galaxy note and the s2 i have 100 something free all the time and I always close whichever app im using and removed all the bloatware
It's an interesting direction by Samsung, the new features look interesting, will have to see if they're actually useful. I can't imagine me using that health app though! Hardware wise I'm in the camp where pentile doesn't matter when its 720p. Can't comment on the RAM though, but more doesn't hurt but god damn they could have stopped using glossy plastic. For all their talks about 'natural design', I have not seen a single pebble that looks as shiny/plasticky as this.
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Ics takes lots of ram. I have thw Galaxy note and the s2 i have 100 something free all the time and I always close whichever app im using and removed all the bloatware
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im using gnote with ics too... without killing any task , i have 2XX mb ram and after task killing , i get 40X mb... why is ur device taking so much ram ? i guess this is user problem ?
more ram is just a marketing gimmick, nothing more.
Agreeed!!!!
We have plenty
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Samsung's focusing on user experience now by improving the software
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2 GB would have been idea to run VMware in a Quad core
no point having a Quad core when you can't even run multiple OS virtually
I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !
hamade said:
I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !
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that's definitely what it is
the best part is.... all those Apps, they can be back ported to SGS1 and SGS2
only via XDA
While LG has a great new phone, I don't think it will be beating the GS3 in any real practical category. Sammy has one beast of a phone with the new GS3 and just wait for the reviews to flow in.
Seriously, this is Samsung we're talking about the same guys who brought us GS1 and GS2. This phone already blows everything out tha water including the One X. Even with the same performance i woulda picked Samsung cause of their superior R&D and those new real practical features such as eye tracking.
LG software is crap. So is Huawei's sw even though they claim to have the fastest phone. Samsung has really improved their software from SGS1 days. Im still impressed about the web browser in the SGS2. Only thing id like to have is completely redesigned Touchwiz, Samsung does not need to look like iPhone anymore.
I have latest ICS on S2 with about 260mb of ram mostly free. No tasks killer. Samsung would sure know if they needed more than 1gb ram.i personally so not think it is needed. More than 300 apps installed btw on my phone.The new beast has been well thought through.have a second look.
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hamade said:
I believe that the main focus of the newly released Samsung phone is the softwares enhancing the user experiance, nothing really fancy about the hardware, if the softwares/addons works as expected then it will be really a milestone for samsung, if not then it will be a fiasco !
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-Battery life (more than 20% improvement just with the new exonus, plus higher battery rating). Samsung is claiming 2 days. Now, even a whole day it's sufficient.
-64gb micro sd can be used by default.
-zero shutter lag, 24 pictures in 3 secs.
-gorilla glass 2.
-etc
That's not just software improvements.they are major.
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Hi all XSP users
in just a few days, it will be 1 year since i own this phone. here i'm trying to give a sort of review-ish view and opinion about this phone
So without further ado, allow me to start (please forgive me for any inappropriate or ineligible english since its not my main language)
1 year ago i was looking for a replacement for my samsung galaxy gio which has become obsolete (hardware wise especially) because it cannot keep up with my demands. so at that time i was searching for a phone that meets my budget (cant go on a spending spree at that time) but still packs a can of whoop-ass.
at that time in my country was the time where 3 high spec phones launches samsung galaxy s4, sony xperia Z, and oppo find 5. all of them were top of the class. too bad they were all above my budget
other brand like HTC has no interesting line up for me, LG has some not bad spec phone but none to my liking.
Lo and behold i found out about the xperia SP about 2 weeks before the event. at the price it was offered, no other phone can match XSP specs, camera wise, processor wise (at that time of course). i bought the phone without hesitation.
my review
Size
for me this phone hits the sweet spot for size. although i can still held 5,5 inch phone without problem, but this phone is nice to grasp
screen size
screen size is adequate for me, although sometimes feel a little too small. too bad its not IPS
camera
one of the downfall for XSP for me. the camera quality is quite bad, my dads nokia x5 can even shot almost if not sometimes better images. though in my opinion since 4.3 update and using xperia M ported camera its a little bit better, i still wish it was better
processor
one of the best performance processor for midrange phone at that time and still is today IMO.
GPU
same, one of the best for playing games on a midrange phone
RAM
this is the ultimate donwfall for me in XSP. we were promoted with a 1GB RAM for XSP but how much did we get?? just a freakin' 768 ram.
thats downright false advertising. no amount of excuse and logic can justify a 1GB ram on spec sheet and only 768 in reality. this is what tied down our XSP from becoming the Beast that it could've and should've been.
although after 4.3 update the RAM increased to 848, it's still a long way from 1GB. even lenovo can put 900+MB on their 1GB RAM phone, so i am truly dissapointed at sony for this one.
My Experience
okay, hardware review aside, now im going to share how the phone feels for my daily usage
my XSP is LB, but i root it. i'll split this part to pre 4.3 and 4.3
PRE 4.3
the phone before the 4.3 update was so-so performance wise for me. mind you im a gamer, and understanding that our XSP have adreno 320 it should be handle all graphics intensive game, so i installed many heavy game. real boxing, real racing, asphalt 8, modern combat 4, NFS, chaos rings. all of that game should've played flawlessly if not for that darn RAM. you cant even browse and listen to walkman without the walkman suddenly stop. you gotta change the ram management and dalvik to help ease the RAM management, n i think that sucks. because if im not an xda member and dont root my phone, how else am i gonna improve XSP performance. there were slight regret buying this phone at that moment, but i cant change my phone again. no phone pique my interest yet again.
POST 4.3
post 4.3 update the phones performance got better a little bit since the increase in RAM but, performance wise its still so-so. if i have to give it a score before 4.3 was 7 and now it was 7.5. but luckily 4.3 update brings more than just bigger RAM it brings loads of things, from social camera, updated media apps, themes, so updating to 4.3 was like having a new phone all over again.
Conclusion
im still happy with this phone, eventhough theres major flaw (RAM)
so, will i still use this phone? YES
is it still one of the strongest budget mid range phone right now? YES (IMO, compared with other brand like samsung, LG, HTC, lenovo, OPPO)
will u still suggest this phone to friend of relatives? if they're not going to root it, NO, if they're going to root it then YES
well thats what i think about our beloved XSP
please share your opinion about this :good:
You don't need 500 MB of ram to run one game.
I love my SP,I recommend moving to a custom ROM to increase performance
Also,it's surprisingly strong. I dropped my phone on the asphalt and it slided few meters and it's fine (few scratches) !
darkkfruit said:
You don't need 500 MB of ram to run one game.
I love my SP,I recommend moving to a custom ROM to increase performance
Also,it's surprisingly strong. I dropped my phone on the asphalt and it slided few meters and it's fine (few scratches) !
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well u need it if you want to play real racing 3 with default graphics. had not for rr3 graphics apps and reducing it to low, that game was quite a disaster to play for more than 15 minutes.
no, im not thinking of using custom ROM. im not going to unlock my bootloader
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well u need it if you want to play real racing 3 with default graphics. had not for rr3 graphics apps and reducing it to low, that game was quite a disaster to play for more than 15 minutes.
no, im not thinking of using custom ROM. im not going to unlock my bootloader
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You don't need to unlock bootloader.:laugh:
You can find a list with locked bootloaders here.
Press CTRL F and type LB then search at the Stock Based roms. You will find 9 ROMs that do not require UBL
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You don't need to unlock bootloader.:laugh:
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You can find a list with locked bootloaders here.
Press CTRL F and type LB then search at the Stock Based roms. You will find 9 ROMs that do not require UBL
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oh yeah, forgot that there are ROMs that doesn't need unlocked bootloader. but still, I dont want to use custom ROM. its not that I lost hope for this phonr that I don't want to try custom ROM, its the opposite actually. I like this phone and its stock ROM. That's why I only do minor tweaks.
Still loving mine as well. The size, build, fit, look... It's perfect for me. I get lots of comments on it.
I can overlook the minor software quirks. I figure once Sony leaves it behind I'll move over to CM which will be nice n stable by that time!
cyapalmpos said:
Still loving mine as well. The size, build, fit, look... It's perfect for me. I get lots of comments on it.
I can overlook the minor software quirks. I figure once Sony leaves it behind I'll move over to CM which will be nice n stable by that time!
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Agreed, i may also do that when sony has abandoned our phone and no longer supports it. But right now im loving this phone the way it is with all the flaws. Still an excellent rocking phone :good:
Actually, the XSP does have 1Gb of RAM. The amount that you think missing is actually dedicated to the GPU
(kinda like a PC's Graphics card with its own chip and RAM, only here we have 2 in 1 chip, both CPU and GPU)
Other than that, a very reliable review, mate!
cnkhanh said:
Actually, the XSP does have 1Gb of RAM. The amount that you think missing is actually dedicated to the GPU
(kinda like a PC's Graphics card with its own chip and RAM, only here we have 2 in 1 chip, both CPU and GPU)
Other than that, a very reliable review, mate!
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so does that mean our GPU memory decreases now, since after 4.3 our device memory increase?
(btw not a sarcastic question, i really do want to know :good
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so does that mean our GPU memory decreases now, since after 4.3 our device memory increase?
(btw not a sarcastic question, i really do want to know :good
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Interesting question, maybe there is also some shared memory now. Or our GPU memory is decreased . Want to know .
Th3Duck said:
Interesting question, maybe there is also some shared memory now. Or our GPU memory is decreased . Want to know .
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This phone has 1024mb of ram but only 839mb is usable because the GPU uses that 185mb that we can't use
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Please tell me camera quality of SP? I'm gonna buy this tomorrow
I have 2 questions
1-how is the battery life after one year?
2-how often do you charge your phone
eranda84 said:
Please tell me camera quality of SP? I'm gonna buy this tomorrow
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Yeah, the camera is decent. Pictures tend to have a lot of noise. But outdoor picture can still look very beautiful though. If u buy this consider using 3rd party camera app, like camera 360 or lenovo super camera.
ironshadow2 said:
I have 2 questions
1-how is the battery life after one year?
2-how often do you charge your phone
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1. Battery life is still not bad i think. Im an active user, i chat n play game. If i only chat, n email, n browsing, this phone can last 12+ hours. You can force it to 20+ hours too if u solely use it for chat. Mind you the provider im using has ****ty coverage so that probably factors.
2. I charge it every night. If i unplug at, say 6am, then probably i charge again at 10 or 11 pm. usually i play games at 8 or 9pm, before charge so i can reduce the battery percentage.
noahvt said:
This phone has 1024mb of ram but only 839mb is usable because the GPU uses that 185mb that we can't use
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thats what i want to know. like i said before 4.3 our memory device is 760, does that mean our GPU can use the other 240mb?
if it can does that mean our GPU memory actually decreases after 4.3, since our device memory got increase to 840mb?
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thats what i want to know. like i said before 4.3 our memory device is 760, does that mean our GPU can use the other 240mb?
if it can does that mean our GPU memory actually decreases after 4.3, since our device memory got increase to 840mb?
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They reserved more for GPU in Android 4.1.2 maybe due to Sony thinking it is vital like what they do on the Xperia Z. But after custom ROMs like CM shows that their RAM is north of 800MB, Sony releases more RAM for other purposes.
Nice post, guy! Since I bought XSP I just use it for listening to music, suffering the web, and I don't like to play game on mobile (PC too ). So I think it's actually good enough for my need.
I've been using XSP for almost 1 year too, now I think the RAM is getting not enough to use, maybe it's time to buy a new phone with 2G+ RAM.
quilipham said:
Nice post, guy! Since I bought XSP I just use it for listening to music, suffering the web, and I don't like to play game on mobile (PC too ). So I think it's actually good enough for my need.
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well if someday you decide to play games, just know that this phone can play almost any game flawlessly
TinaSA said:
I've been using XSP for almost 1 year too, now I think the RAM is getting not enough to use, maybe it's time to buy a new phone with 2G+ RAM.
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yeah, me too. been setting my eye for the new g3 or HTC e8. or maybe xperia z3 lol
Check this out
http://m.gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/n...-with-snapdragon-810-4gb-of-ram-report-629471
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It just seems like your average rumors article with no source.
If it is true, then it'll definitely outclass the Nexus 6. But as of now, we don't have any compelling evidence.
Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.
Sounds similar to the Z4, G4, M9 rumors for 2915!
So... In 6 months (optimistically) there will be a snapdragon 810 version of the nexus with a slightly bigger battery... Cool. This isn't really surprising. Generally phones only stay bleeding edge for about 6 months anyway. Might consider grabbing this in a year (or see what the note 5 and new nexus look like).
biglilsteve said:
Of course there will be a phone coming out next year that will smash the N6. And guess what, there will be a phone coming out in 2016 that will smash that phone.
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Actually not really.... We get big bumps every 18-24 months and everything in between is incremental..... Consider the Note 3 to Note 4....thats not a very significant upgrade at all in terms on the SoC. Ticks and tocks. The 805 was a tick compared to the 800/802. The 810 will be a tock.
4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?
Evo_Shift said:
4GB of ram... Interesting. Why?
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tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.
This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.
this doesn't change much for VZW users depending if the bootloader is locked or not.
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This reminds me when the gs3 came out with 2 modules one with 2gb and the other with faster soc. A lot of people were jealous of the international variant with I believe was a quad-core stating android need nothing more than 1gb of ram... fast forward 2 years later the phone with 2gb was upgraded to kitkat meanwhile the later stuck on JB
Ram matters especially with so many apps running services in the background, gapps, facebook, skype, etc. I have a back up s2 Hercules and in 2011 that phone flew felt like nothing could slow it down...now lag lag, freeze freeze close apps etc.
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Hah. I was a GS3 early adopter that pre-ordered mine. I called the advantage of the 2Gb of ram over the faster SoC all the way back then but all the kids could do was post benchmark scores that "clearly made their device better"..... Lol now both are comparatively slow but only one has enough memory to actually be viable.
4GB ram vs 3GB is much less of an impact than when we were going from 1GB to 2GB. The money could be better spent on a variety of other things for a phone being released next year.
Tripsyk said:
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content. People are doing more now than they were a year or two ago on their phones.
Phones are starting to become people's sole connected device. I know me personally, if I wasn't developing, I'd almost exclusively use a phone and keep an old dusty laptop around for office related tasks.
Applications are becoming much more complex from a developer standpoint, and having more resources means we can make things even more complex without being so resource-conscious. You figure OS's nowadays on these 3GB RAM phones are constantly eating up 1GB themselves. The whole point of RAM from a user standpoint is to make the phone more fluid by not constantly needing to re-access data. The more stuff you can store in dynamic RAM, the less times a task has to relaunch itself. Provides a more fluid user experience.
Look at PCs. 5 years ago unless you were a gamer, you would have asked "Why on earth would I want 12GB of RAM in my PC?". Now look at PCs. It's impossible to walk into a retailer and find a PC with less than 4GB, and most have 8GB-12GB with a few 16GB models on the floor or on a website. That's because if you compare PC use to 20 years ago, people are running the pentagon off of their PCs.
tl;dr - Allows developers a higher ceiling of capability in their apps and content.
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Most users will not see much benefit in using more than 3-4gb. Manufacturers include the additional hardware because they realize the average consumer is ill informed and will purchase bases on emotion. Even I child can will tell you that 12gb is better than 8gb. I think same applies to phones. Only phone that is justified in adding more than 2gb is the Note. In every other case, the manufacturer is just playing on consumer ignorance and impulse.
So do we have any legit info on this?