I've just noticed something very strange when viewing PDF documents using Touch HD's built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5: When zoomed into a document and scrolling horizontally by dragging with the stylus, the scrolling just doesn't stop and continues until the view hits the edge of the document! Is anybody else experiencing this?
Here's what I'm seeing in more detail: I zoom into a document (any document, textual or map-based) far enough that the document more than fills the available viewing area both vertically and horizontally. Then I tap and drag the document horizontally. At this point, after stopping dragging and until I lift the tip of the stylus, the document stops scrolling. But, as soon as I lift the tip of the stylus, the document restarts scrolling in the direction I just dragged it and just doesn't stop until it reaches the edge of the document in the scrolling direction. Trying to "catch" the document with the stylus during the scrolling in order to stop it is of no use.
I think I've also noticed that the first couple of attempts at scrolling immediately after opening a new document works fine. The problem sometimes only shows up in subsequent attempts.
This doesn't happen at all when scrolling vertically by dragging. It happens any time the dragging is "mostly" horizontal, but never when I drag "mostly" vertically.
Scrolling around using the scroll bars (by tapping the scroll bar or arrows, or dragging the scroll bar) works just fine.
Could one of you try this out and let me know if you're seeing the same thing?
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The size of the document doesn't seem to make any difference. Small documents or large, it happens every time.
I've played around with "non-linear" dragging. If I drag in an "L-shaped" motion, it appears that the problem only applies when the horizontal portion of the "L" is longer than its vertical portion. Dragging in circles and other jumbled motions produces mixed results.
I came across a map with "bookmarks", where a little "tab" appears near the top of the viewing area in Adobe Reader. When I click the tab, the window splits into two panes, with the top pane showing the bookmark list and the bottom showing the document. When in this mode, the problem disappears. Scrolling by dragging in either direction works perfectly. (And a little faster, oddly.) After I close the top pane, the problem returns. This is the main reason why I think this is an Adobe Reader bug, rather than a side effect of some other software or a setting change that I have on my Touch HD.
I used several other Windows Mobile devices before this one, and on all of them, the software I used for PDF documents was "Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0". (This includes even my AT&T Tilt running WM 6.1.) This "Adobe Reader LE 2.5" is new to me. I wonder if there would be any adverse effects if I tried the 2.0 reader on my Touch HD. I'm worried it might clash with the built-in reader in some bad way. In fact, I'm sure the "Pocket PC 2.0" version of the reader doesn't support VGA (and higher) resolution screens. (I used to use a utility called "Real VGA" on my only other VGA PDA on which I used the Adobe Reader for Pocket PC 2.0 earlier, in order to get it to display documents at the right resolution.) Does anyone here have any experience related to this?
The whole issue evokes an attempt at "inertial scrolling" (not sure if that's what it's mostly called), where, if you "flick" the document with the stylus, the scrolling continues for a little while longer in the same direction after it slows down and stops. If that's what Adobe Reader is trying to do, it's certainly a failed attempt, because there's no sign of a slow down, it never stops, and this happens every time I scroll horizontally by dragging; i.e., even when I did nothing like a "flick".
Anybody have any relevant experiences?
No PDF users around??... Could I really be the only one here who views maps using the built-in Adobe Reader LE 2.5?!
Got something similar happening with PIE, not that that helps ya much!
When in desktop view, any drag continues until the screen is tapped again.
Hmmm... I don't use Pocket IE at all, but that's an interesting clue. Thanks.
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
milan_ns said:
I've noticed the issue with the scrolling on PDF documents that require a lot of rendering (note that "lots of rendering" reflects complexity of the document, not size).
It seems that the processor is too busy rendering the document to detect when you stopped dragging the screen (but funnily enough, not too busy to detect when you started).
The solution for me was to scroll using the scrolling bars, as opposed to just dragging the entire document. Either that, or scroll veeeryyy slowly .
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Thank you for your feedback.
I had thought of the same thing about "the CPU being too busy to detect the end of dragging" too. To experiment with that, I tried waiting for the rotating "wait cursor" to disappear before lifting the stylus from the screen after a drag. It didn't change anything.
I must also state that I see the issue even with a 190 KB (i.e., small) PDF document with nothing but text in a table in it. I don't even see any delay or a "wait cursor" at any point when I'm interacting with this document. But, when I'm zoomed into it and I drag to scroll, it causes the same "neverending pan" behavior.
The point about the scroll bars is valid. I was just trying to check first whether the experience was common, or if it might be due to something goofy that I might have done myself. I guess it's the former...
If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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If you press on the screen and then swipe your finger while maintaining pressure and then stop at the point you like, wait for a moment and then release your finger, you will have full control over the distance scrolled.
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Nope. Doesn't work for horizontal scrolling. It resumes scrolling in the same direction as soon as I lift my finger and doesn't stop until hits the edge of the document, no matter how long I "wait for a moment".
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However, if you really want to make PDF reading a positive experience, intall diamond acrobat reader le cab that enables reflow on the documents that are not even tagged. It is available on this forum.
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Not a bad idea. I might give that a try. Thanks.
Staying on topic about PDFs.
Does anyone know how a good software for the HD to read PDFs?
I went through Team Ones to PocketXPDF and they all had problems.
Team Ones was the best but it didn't seem to display the whole PDF at all, cutting parts at the end and it was heaps slow.
The Adobe one is just shocking.
Want one that wraps the text to fit the screen no matter what zoom, the Team One did this very well.
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
does any body know how to disable the touchFlow for the reflow in the adobe reader 2.5?
True. It seems Reader 2.5 LE with reflow hack appears to be the best among all. But reflow can be very bad for certain documents..
What I think would be a perfect companion for Reader 2.5 LE would be a scroll hack app..
What the app should do?
1. User inputs the % he/she zoomed the given page for comfortable viewing.
2. Support tapping the 6 spots on screen see attach.(when the reader is running).
3.Scroll accurately the document into one of the 6 positions.
One input may be sufficient for a multipage documents with same lay out.
May be some more flaws in my idea... but seems possible --- anyone??
Too bad that I don't know prog for PPC.
Any way don't fire this newbie
montag09 said:
Do we have any solution for this? Reader 2.5 LE, with reflow mode enabled (needs a change in the registry) is just PERFECT to read eBooks, except for the horizontal scrolling issue. Because of that, I'm reading books in vertical mode.
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ok so htc gave us a capacitive screen no stylus anymore. So can someone tell me how for god sake can i scroll down in my notes ? you know this very useful built in app that you can write and view notes sunchronized with outlook. now with my HD2 I cant scroll down in notes. instead when tryinv gestures it insists on marking the text rather than scrolling within it.
There's a scrollbar on the right-hand side of the screen.
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There's a scrollbar on the right-hand side of the screen.
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Thanks. while inside a note it's ineffective, as the scrolling is not seen while it moves. Makes the built in app useless.
I too have this problem. If there are multiple pages to the Notes, scrolling in a smooth manner is not possible.
Is there a fix that allows one to scroll like in Word and other applications?
HD2, T-Mobile USA
when in a note, you can use teh arrows below the standard keyboard to scroll, or if you use swype, jump to the tex edit/arrows page and use those arrows. Not perfect, but works.
Is there an alternative app that reads notes and also updates them to outlook like the builtin notes app?
I rely heavily on notes and it is painful to keep use the scroll bar thing as it's not as smooth as it should be. I find myself trying to make micro movement to move up a little bit!
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Is there an alternative app that reads notes and also updates them to outlook like the builtin notes app?
I rely heavily on notes and it is painful to keep use the scroll bar thing as it's not as smooth as it should be. I find myself trying to make micro movement to move up a little bit!
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Try OneNote Mobile. Its preinstalled in the Start Menu under Office 2010
So this is really noticeable when Im viewing documents in Adobe Reader and trying to move the screen to a specific point or drag the slider to a specific page. When removing my finger from the screen it always registers as a slight motion and sets me off several pages (In a 1000 pg text book) or moves the page from where I wanted to position it.
I have SGS Touchscreen booster on CM9 under Super Optimized but I am trying to get rid of that little motion when lifting your finger up. I know its like that for most Android devices though so I suspect there's not too much to do about it, but iDevices do handle that pretty well in comparison.
I'm trying to use Cool Reader on a rooted NST. I find the page turning to be slower when I tap the screen as opposed to when I click the page turn buttons on the side. The page turn speed is comparable on the side buttons to the stock reader and I'm looking for that kind of speed in Cool Reader. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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I'm trying to use Cool Reader on a rooted NST. I find the page turning to be slower when I tap the screen as opposed to when I click the page turn buttons on the side. The page turn speed is comparable on the side buttons to the stock reader and I'm looking for that kind of speed in Cool Reader. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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I see this too, and my Cool Reader is optimized. As an alternative, consider swiping. Swiping/flicking to turn pages works just as fast as pushing the shoulder buttons.
Here are some things to make sure of, though.
Do you have the "highlight zones" turned on? This flashes a rectangle border around the section of the screen that you touched. It slows Cool Reader down.
Also, did you turn on Cool Reader's page-turning optimization in the settings? You can have it only do a full page refresh every X pages.
Is there a way to activate or create a two fingers scroll on desktop apps, like for a PDF-Editing Software?
Because I want to edit a PDF document and when I want to scroll I have to close the edit modus in the Software first.
On an Ipad there is this feature. You can edit a PDF file and if you want to scroll, you have to use two fingers.
Is there an app to create this multitouch gesture or to activate it on windows 8?
PS: I have an ASUS VivoTab Smart.
Sorry for my bad english but this is not my native language.
Just to be clear: scroll on-screen, not scroll on a touchpad, right? Because the latter is already supported on pretty much everything.
I guess I've never tried to scroll on the screen in "fingerpainting" mode. The worst I've done is accidentally tapped a word and selected it (or click a link) and had scroll attempts just change the selection area. THe rest of the time, one-finger scrolling works for me.
That said, there is an entire Windows control panel devoted to tablet behaviors and gestures. That's a good place to look. Try a Start search for "gesture" and look under Settings.
Yes I mean scroll on-screen.
One finger scrolling works for me too, but when I edit a PDF file it would be easier to scroll with two fingers without tabbing the scroll-bar.
I found nothing to change or edit in Touchscreen options...
want to find out this too. how do i select text in excel or word when drag gesture is already scrolling and not selecting. quite frustrated.
You can mark text, just tab with one finger/pen fast/Short on it. Two moveable small circles are appearing to mark what you want. Works in IE, Office, and so on....
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