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Direct Push with Google Apps?!?!?!
Hi everyone. I think I might have asked this question before but maybe something has developed in the last few months.
I am running my own IT consulting business and as I get more and more busy my calendar is becoming an ever more important tool. My dear wife went out and got me a good old-fashioned spiral bound day-timer but I have a sophisticated day-timer right here in my pocket in the form of my HTC Touch. As an IT consultant I think I should be using it rather then pulling out the pen and paper. Right now I am using the calendars in my Touch, Outlook, Google Apps and the calendar in the Exchange account I have with one of my customers. Too many calendars and all because I really want to use my Google Apps calendar and have it sync with my Touch.
I really want Google to develop “Direct Push” technology so that I can get my email, calendar and contacts all from my Google Apps account just like it was an Exchange Server. I am even considering switching my email back to an Exchange Server just so I can sync with my Touch. This way my wife could login and add stuff to my calendar and it will appear on my Touch. Right now I have my Email coming in from Google Apps via IMAP, my Calendar synching with Outlook (installed locally on my laptop without Exchange) and my Contacts syncing with my customer’s Exchange server. This is a pain and I want everything in one place that can be maintained/synced in real-time.
I will say this right now and keep in mind that as an IT consultant I like Microsoft’s products and install things like Windows 2003, SQL Server and Exchange on an almost daily basis. If Google develops “Direct Push” for Google Apps it will be an Exchange killer. The only, and I mean only reason I am thinking about switching my domain back to Exchange (I moved from Exchange to Google Apps about 1 year ago) is for the ability to sync everything (not just email) with my Touch.
On the other hand if Microsoft comes out with a version of Outlook/Exchange that dispenses with the whole “Inbox/Sent items/Delete” model and goes for the Google-style “conversation & archive” model along with the search capabilities I might fall back in love with Exchange.
The Fish
Oh and just in case anyone from Microsoft is listening, “threaded inbox” isn’t what I mean by “conversation style”. Come on Microsoft. Just admit that Google has actual built a better mousetrap and managed to improve on the age-old email model of “folders” and “sent items”. Go ahead and copy them… copy, copy copy! Oops sorry, I mean “embrace and extend, embrace and extend”
Something like that would be great!
matthew232 said:
Something like that would be great!
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And not to mention totally do-able. There is already an non-Exchange mail server out there called “KerioMail Server” that implements Microsoft’s Direct Push protocol. Check out this link http://www.kerio.com/kms_activesync.html
Microsoft’s Direct Push is entirely HTTP based. It shouldn’t be that difficult for Google to do.
The Fish.
I guess you have to wait for Google Android.
thefish123 said:
On the other hand if Microsoft comes out with a version of Outlook/Exchange that dispenses with the whole “Inbox/Sent items/Delete” model and goes for the Google-style “conversation & archive” model along with the search capabilities I might fall back in love with Exchange.
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The moment they do that (without giving an option) is when I would have to quit using Exchange. I **hate** Gmail's threading and forward those mails to another account that isn't threaded (and the fact that they don't let you turn it off).
I know it's not exactly what you're looking for, but have you checked out any of the 3rd party sync options? GMobileSync is a free little program that allows bidirectional syncing for your calendar (not push though). GooSync offers a free service level that also gives you calendar syncing. If you upgrade to their payed version (I think it is something like $30-40 for a whole year) you get not only calendar sync, but contacts, tasks etc. Might be worth a look.
jeffreycentex said:
The moment they do that (without giving an option) is when I would have to quit using Exchange. I **hate** Gmail's threading and forward those mails to another account that isn't threaded (and the fact that they don't let you turn it off).
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Microsoft would never do it without making it an option. But I am surprised to hear you say that you head Gmail’s threading. Quite honestly you have got to be the FIRST person I have heard say that.
I have never (till now) talked to anyone who switched to Gmail who didn’t have anything but good to say about it. Most people I know who use Outlook or Outlook Express and who do ANY real volume of email spend at least an hour to two hours a day “organizing” their email. They have a whole list of sub-folders under their Inbox and then have almost the exact same set of sub-folders under their “Sent Items”. They spend time trying to decide how to file things or if they should file it in the first place or just delete it. Sometimes they delete and email and two of three days later the whole issue has ballooned into a big issue and they are filing the responses but no longer have their original email because they didn’t think it would become important.
Gmail lets me keep my Inbox clean while at the same time never worrying about filing or organizing or having trouble finding things back. I would probably hate Gmail if I was still trying to fit it into my narrow 20-year-old “I must use folders” paradigm of thinking (which I did when I first started using Gmail) but it was fun to give up on that and the new paradigm of “never file, never delete” is so superior.
I don’t really case WHERE my email is as long as I can find it back in a natural way. I think in years to come we are going to see the same thing happening on computers and to some extent we already are. The #1 reason most people hate Windows Vista is because of the way the new “Explorer” obscures the hierarchal folder model that everyone is used to from our Norton Commander days. It is really very Mac-like. Most Mac users couldn’t tell you where their pictures were in terms of a “directory” or a “folder” but they have less trouble finding them, or copying them to a USB drive, or attaching them to an email then most Windows users.
If we ever do see WinFS (Windows Future Storage) it is supposed to be a Microsoft SQL layer bolted on top of the file system and gives you database-style searchability with all kinds of meta data attached.
The thinking behind the Reiser file system is that any structure on top of the file system for storing data indicates that the file system isn’t doing it’s job. And I can kinda see the point.
The Fish
I agree, Gmail should definately come out with direct push technology
I currently use gmail with pocket outlook with imap.
It's annoying having it set to check my email in intervals.
I didn't even know what direct push was until today, until i saw a friend using his phone w/ his private exchange server...my first reaction was wow...i want that!!
I'm hoping android will implement features like direct push, among others.
surgex0 said:
I didn't even know what direct push was until today, until i saw a friend using his phone w/ his private exchange server...my first reaction was wow...i want that!!
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It’s not even so much that I want “push” email (although that would be cool). The biggest issue is that there is no way to sync my Calendar and my Contacts with Gmail. This means I either A) have to use the Calendar/Contacts on my Touch in their “stand alone” form without syncing to anything or B) have to sync them with something else.
I really like being able to use my web-based Gmail calendar (Google Apps) but I wish like crazy there was some way to get this on my Touch.
The Fish.
PS: when you sign-up for Google Apps it asks you what (if any) previous mail system you used. As an example it says in brackets “Microsoft Exchange”. This makes me think that Google Apps is positioning themselves to take the SMB email market away from Exchange. I think if they really want to do this they will make Google Apps look just like an Exchange Server to the millions of WM devices out there. Currently I am seriously considering moving my email back to Exchange when I get my own server online (in a few weeks).
Google's apps for WM are all in java aren't they?
I know the gmail one is, and it sucks big c---.
I'd rather use opera and gmail html mobile than use their ****e java client.
surgex0 said:
Google's apps for WM are all in java aren't they?
I know the gmail one is, and it sucks big c---.
I'd rather use opera and gmail html mobile than use their ****e java client.
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Googlemaps apparently has a native app now (altho I would rather use Livesearch), so no, they aren't all JAVA. I take it you visit the HTML site instead of using IMAP so that you can see the threading and other g-mail features?
If you want gmail to push, use SEVEN at
community.seven.com
john
Sync & Push
I use www.mobipush.com to push my gmail and it works instantaneously. Fantastic. This is free, perhaps only while they are in beta.
I also use www.oggsync.com for syncing my calendar. There is a free version, but I bought the software and daily sync about 11 calendars 2 months backwards and 2 years forwards. Hardly ever any issues. They are working on contact sync - have a public beta out now.
surgex0 said:
Google's apps for WM are all in java aren't they?
I know the gmail one is, and it sucks big c---.
I'd rather use opera and gmail html mobile than use their ****e java client.
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I don’t know if it’s really the Gmail client that sucks so much as that it just doesn’t run properly on the version of Java that comes on my Touch (the Bell Mobility Touch in Canada). I was pretty happy to have the Java Gmail client on my Razr back before I got my Touch.
That being said I keep hoping they will come out with a native Windows Mobile version like they did with Google Maps. But then again it seems kinda silly to come out with an email client for a device that already has a built-in integrated email client. The better solution would be to make the pre-exiting email, calendar and contacts features work properly (as in within their native capacity – meaning DirectPush) with their Gmail counterparts.
The Fish
i'm about to get my new desire HD from orange tomorrow and i thought i better ask for a little advice.
as i'm upgrading from a touch HD the android experience is totally new to me, so i was hoping for a few hints and tips as to how to get the best from my new phone and what apps are going to be most interesting.
cheers
I've recently done the same (moved from a Touch Pro2). Main differences over WM you will find....
* Improved stability
* Improved responsiveness and speed
* Android app market makes obtaining apps and wider range of apps much better
* Overall a much more pleasant experience to use
* Battery life will be worse, but you can tune the device to improve this a lot
* Integration with Microsoft products is not so great although does support multiple Exchange profiles
An HD2 immigrant here
First of all you need to get used to the different logic of the system. You probably had HTC Sense on ur touchHD and when you see that the Sence in DHD is similar it's a bit leading.
The hardest for me was getting used to the fact that the "All apps" button is not "Start" and just brings u to everything that's installed ( no rearangements, no folders, no renaming )
Then comes the battery life. DaveTME was right that it sucks, but thats (IMO) only do to the fact that by default, every service u have installed is syncing all the time. If u tweak ur sync settings a bit u should get close to what u had in THD.
For further references you may want to check this out -> http://androinica.com/category/androidguide/
good luck and welcome
ta for the reading matter guys
at the mo i just sync my phone with outlook on my PC to get its contacts, notes etc.
does android do this out of the box?? i'm assuming i need a PC client, but do i need an app??
sning said:
ta for the reading matter guys
at the mo i just sync my phone with outlook on my PC to get its contacts, notes etc.
does android do this out of the box?? i'm assuming i need a PC client, but do i need an app??
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This is exactly what I checked into before I made the jump from Nokia, where the Ovi Suite (PC Suite) would sync with Outlook. The HTC Sync SW supposedly does this but I had problems when I got the phone and, if you search about a bit, you'll find others have too.
What I did was to install HTC Sync anyway but also to install MyPhoneExplorer (... http://www.fjsoft.at/en/ ...). This installs on the PC and, as you surmised, on the phone. Works fine for me. I'm using XP Pro + Outlook 2000 (yeah, I know, behind the times but hey .... it all works!). MPE also has a forum where the developer is pretty responsive to issues.
I also sunc the calendars but use Gemini Calendar on the HD (search and ye shall find ... ). Much better than stock.
HTH.
Oh, and remember that Android is Google, which means they intend you to sync through the *cloud* and not to your PC. Especially with Microsoft's products, which is why you need to go 3rd party. When you get your DHD, before you do anything else, go into the menus and put everything on manual sync until you know what's happening. Or you'll end up with Facebook, Google and Uncle Tom Cobbly's contacts all on your phone ...
Download the manual from here .... http://www.htc.com/www/userguide.aspx?p_id=324 ...
Dave
sning said:
i'm about to get my new desire HD from orange tomorrow and i thought i better ask for a little advice.
as i'm upgrading from a touch HD the android experience is totally new to me, so i was hoping for a few hints and tips as to how to get the best from my new phone and what apps are going to be most interesting.
cheers
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Same, i got my dhd yesterday. I'd say you'll love. explore for yourself you'll enjoy it very much but to start off i suggest angry birds, google googles, and set up facebook etc etc.
is there anyways to see your folders in sd card on android like file explorer on wm?
Gurps777 said:
is there anyways to see your folders in sd card on android like file explorer on wm?
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OiFilemanager or AndExplorer should both do the job
another quick question, and i know this will sound totally dumb, but i have to ask.
do i NEED an google account to use this thing properly??
i dont use facebook or twitter or any other social media, so i'm happy to sync with outlook as its got all my contacts in up to date, and to be honest i'd rather not give google any more of my personal details thani have to!
Yes you need a google account. Aslo you can import your contacts into your google account and sync it to your phone.
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You do need a google account, but to be honest that is a good thing, the integration with Googles services is so tight. It provides the best email experience by a LONG way in my opinion, and the cloud features are fantastic.
Since switching to android i have also switched to a more "cloud" centric workspace, all my work is backed up to a cloud (2 actually!) and i keep copies of everything i need online aswell as on my PC so i can access it anywhere.
Its a shame you dont want to "submit" to google if you know what i mean, gmail is so, so slick.
*Spooky voice* It is the futuuuure!
I hope you enjoy your switch to android, i know i did!
J
unfortunatly i have an inherant distrust of "the cloud"
while i can see its benefits, i dont trust other people with my data, there's already been too many breaches, leaks, and lost data in the cloud for my liking
sning said:
unfortunatly i have an inherant distrust of "the cloud"
while i can see its benefits, i dont trust other people with my data, there's already been too many breaches, leaks, and lost data in the cloud for my liking
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I'm with you on this one! You do have to set-up a Google email account BUT mine is just forwarded to my *real* email address so never use it for anything. I *assume* you may need it to buy apps. from the market but I've only downloaded free ones so far. Oh, it's *compulsory* to download Angry Birds, BTW, free on Android ...
Dave
How can sync my Outlook infos with Google Calendar and Contacts?
Get a gmail account, best out there. Just don't save your contacts to gmail. I got hacked from China and everyone on my email list got a virus infested email. Lucky I found out very quickly and told everyone before any damage was done.
As to sync. I just use HTC Sync downloaded from HTC web site. Works a treat
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Oh by the way has Orange messed up the OS like they did with the touch hd? (made mine useless)
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Hi, I bought my streak yesterday. It came pre-loaded with Android 1.6, which immediately upon switching on the device, got updated to Android 2.2.
My concern is that I am NOT ABLE TO SYNCHRONIZE my MICROSOFT OUTLOOK 2010 data like CONTACTS, TASKS, CALENDAR and MAILs to my STREAK.
Its my first android device. And for last 5 years I have been using (handheld devices/PDA's) with WINDOWS MOBILE OS with latest being HD2, and all these years, I have been very very comfortably using Activesync, to synchronize all this.
I must also mention that I have tried to do a lot of search on XDA and google, with suggestions like using third party applications, but none of them are practically working.
I am a business user and my work necessitates me to have all this outlook data (including mails) to be with me (on my handheld device) always. In fact I was delighted to read claims on XDA "There is NOTHING that an android device can not do which a winmo device can do...". But then ,this is what is the LEAST that I want to my STREAK to perform... or else I might have to return this and buy HD7!!!
Any suggestions???
VCOrganizer does it all, it sync also outlook notes and is compatible with office 2010 .
00roberto00 said:
VCOrganizer does it all, it sync also outlook notes and is compatible with office 2010 .
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Thanks 00roberto00, Let me try thsiright away and shall get back to you with feedback
Use the Touchdown app that came on the device. I had no problems synching information needed with outlook.
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00roberto00 said:
VCOrganizer does it all, it sync also outlook notes and is compatible with office 2010 .
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While that is the theory, I have had problems with VCOrganizer duplicating my Contacts and corrupting my Outlook data. I don't believe that I am alone in this - look at the comments for this application in the App Market.
The best resource for understanding what applications are available to synchronise between Outlook and Android phones is http://syncdroid.net/ which has a very good chart comparing the features of each.
mhh. i had no probs.
00roberto00 said:
VCOrganizer does it all, it sync also outlook notes and is compatible with office 2010 .
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Could not get VCorganizer to try and am not ready pay unless I am sure it will really work.
I did try CompanionLink-Dejaoffice and it is disappointing. While CompanionLink is PC based application it needs Dejaoffice simultaneously, which is the device based application. And, well... it does SYNC (only contacts/calendars/tasks and not mails!!! the great disappointment is in teh fact that the contacts which are actually synced are not part of the default contact manager, and hence one can not USE it practically thorugh the dialpad for making calls, and even that incoming calls (of any saved contact) does not get recognized!!!
I am ready to pay any good amount provided I get something as useful as Activesync of Windows mobiles!!!
bennysangel said:
Use the Touchdown app that came on the device. I had no problems synching information needed with outlook.
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Thanks Bennysangel.
Touchdown is an exchange server client. I mean I am not sure if it will really do the needful as Activesync (desktop Activesync- for Winodws mobiles). i did google to read more about it, but as I read, it is not going to the job... that is SYNCING CONTACTS (in the default contacts managers of froyo), SYNCING MAILS and TASKS/CALENDARS!!!
Bennysangel, can you please guide me on this Touchdown with your experience on it. Thanks again.
anyway u cant sync emails even with VCOrganizer. for email sync u need some exchange client/server.
the first time u sync contacs with VCO it duplicates (its also stated on them FAQs) but after 2nd sync everything goes ok.
before VCO I tried anything else but this was the only app syncing also outlook notes and working with the 64bit office 2010
Ravindra9 said:
I am ready to pay any good amount provided I get something as useful as Activesync of Windows mobiles!!!
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I think that we are both looking for something that doesn't exist. It is not in Google's interest to make it easy for users to sync an Android phone with a Microsoft product. Google's model is based on people storing their data on their servers (where they can commercially exploit that data), and not locally on their PCs in a format which is proprietary to one of their main competitors (Microsoft).
Don't forget that ActiveSync was a Microsoft product which synchronised between two other Microsoft products (Outlook and WinMo). Perhaps you should consider a WinMo7 phone (and if there was one with a screen as big as the Streak, that's what I would probably buy)?
My personal experience is that many of the solutions which sound as if they will do the job do not live up to their advertising. I have tried a number of them now, and have had all sorts of problems (duplicated entries, corrupt data, removal of Category/Priority/Note information, incorrect date/time, etc).
As I have mentioned before, there is an extremely comprehensive list of the synchronisation solutions which are available at the Syncdroid web site. and if you do find any which are not listed there, please let the web master know, as he will add them.
Philip said:
I think that we are both looking for something that doesn't exist. It is not in Google's interest to make it easy for users to sync an Android phone with a Microsoft product. Google's model is based on people storing their data on their servers (where they can commercially exploit that data), and not locally on their PCs in a format which is proprietary to one of their main competitors (Microsoft).
Don't forget that ActiveSync was a Microsoft product which synchronised between two other Microsoft products (Outlook and WinMo). Perhaps you should consider a WinMo7 phone (and if there was one with a screen as big as the Streak, that's what I would probably buy)?
My personal experience is that many of the solutions which sound as if they will do the job do not live up to their advertising. I have tried a number of them now, and have had all sorts of problems (duplicated entries, corrupt data, removal of Category/Priority/Note information, incorrect date/time, etc).
As I have mentioned before, there is an extremely comprehensive list of the synchronisation solutions which are available at the Syncdroid web site. and if you do find any which are not listed there, please let the web master know, as he will add them.
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Thanks Philip, you are very precisely hitting the nail in the head!!!
The only reason I got attracted to buy this STREAK is due to its huge screen size- which genuinely gives the pleasure of a mobile phone cum tablet!!! I agree with you that I should prefer to buy a Windows Phone device however there is unfortunately NO other device with 5 inch screen, the nearest being HTC HD7. I am seriously considering giving up this Streak and buy HD7 now.
And for that matter, it would be a welcome if there could be some chef who could cook a WINDOWS MOBILE ROM (be it 6.5.x also if not windows phoen 7 OS ROM!!!) that I can flash on STREAK
Ravindra9 said:
Hi, I bought my streak yesterday. It came pre-loaded with Android 1.6, which immediately upon switching on the device, got updated to Android 2.2.
My concern is that I am NOT ABLE TO SYNCHRONIZE my MICROSOFT OUTLOOK 2010 data like CONTACTS, TASKS, CALENDAR and MAILs to my STREAK.
Its my first android device. And for last 5 years I have been using (handheld devices/PDA's) with WINDOWS MOBILE OS with latest being HD2, and all these years, I have been very very comfortably using Activesync, to synchronize all this.
I must also mention that I have tried to do a lot of search on XDA and google, with suggestions like using third party applications, but none of them are practically working.
I am a business user and my work necessitates me to have all this outlook data (including mails) to be with me (on my handheld device) always. In fact I was delighted to read claims on XDA "There is NOTHING that an android device can not do which a winmo device can do...". But then ,this is what is the LEAST that I want to my STREAK to perform... or else I might have to return this and buy HD7!!!
Any suggestions???
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Hi,
The Dell PC Suite syncs contacts, calendar, tasks & notes with Outlook. have you tried that?
http://support.dell.com/support/top...71813763D71D397E040AC0A65E96FA0&isLegacy=true
Insane Devil said:
Hi,
The Dell PC Suite syncs contacts, calendar, tasks & notes with Outlook. have you tried that?
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Doesn't work with 2.2, only with 2.1 sadly.
See this page on syncdroid.net.
Philip said:
Doesn't work with 2.2, only with 2.1 sadly.
See this page on syncdroid.net.
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Yes mate thats correct tried it a couple of weeks ago .
But when a was reading this thread i thought i would just have a look at dells page to see if its been updated,
Anyway downloaded the latest version installed it coupled up my baby and all was fine synced music, pics, outlook contacts and the rest, so it seems to be OK now .
Give it a try
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Anyway downloaded the latest version installed it coupled up my baby and all was fine synced music, pics, outlook contacts and the rest, so it seems to be OK now .
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Now I'm confused.
Are you referring to the Nero software that Dell are using with FroYo, rather than the discontinued Dell PC Suite? If so, I understood that it only syncs Contacts from Microsoft Outlook (not least because Dell have removed the Task and Notes applications from 2.2 that they had provided with 2.1).
When you say "all the rest", do you mean that it syncs Calendar, Tasks and Notes from Outlook? If so, what applications does it use on the phone to access Tasks and Notes?
Philip said:
Now I'm confused.
Are you referring to the Nero software that Dell are using with FroYo, rather than the discontinued Dell PC Suite? If so, I understood that it only syncs Contacts from Microsoft Outlook (not least because Dell have removed the Task and Notes applications from 2.2 that they had provided with 2.1).
When you say "all the rest", do you mean that it syncs Calendar, Tasks and Notes from Outlook? If so, what applications does it use on the phone to access Tasks and Notes?
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You are right on that score philip just contacts, sorry for the confusion
Streak is a beautiful tablet device, however due to its android platform, it has got limitations of usage by a business user, unlike a windows phone OS based device, (for example we can not sync it with outlook!!!)
It would be a welcome if there could be some great chef who could cook a WINDOWS MOBILE ROM for Dell Streak (be it 6.5.x or windows phone 7 OS ROM!!!). This will be a dream come true...
Why don't you buy a WM device then?
What you're asking for is next to impossible. Mainly because nobody cares.
GeorgijSapkin said:
Why don't you buy a WM device then?
What you're asking for is next to impossible. Mainly because nobody cares.
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Thanks Bro, you are certainly right, buying a winmo will be more appropriate.
Ironically this streak is my first android device, which I bought ONLY because of its good screen size and as there is no other device with this screen size, was wondering if I could simply flash a windows ROM on Streak!!!
I am sure I am going to return this and buy HD7 now...
I'm sure one of the issues with adding a WP7 ROM is going to be the licensing. If I remember correctly, each WM device had a license for the OS to run on that device. That does not exist for the Streak so you may not see a WM/WP ROM on this ever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Whaaaa?
If there is an issue you are having with your Streak that is what you should have said. "I am having problems syncing to Outlook." will be better received than "This Streak is great, except for basically everything that makes it a Streak."
Getting irritated when some one points out there is very little intrest in having Windows Mobile ported to the Streak, besides the fact that it is not open source which makes things MUCH harder, does not help matters at all.
Is the Outlook thing the only problem you are having? If so and there is a fix, or work around then you should be good to go.
If nothing short of a WinMo phone will satisfy you, then well... you should have done more research before you bought a Streak.
Can't really see why you'd have bought a streak then. Android is definitely going to be the way to go though.
We only have to look at Microsoft's track record with mobile operating systems. There's probably something out there that will do the Outlook stuff you need. An app, a configuration of an email account somehow...Whatever.
Configuring "for Outlook" is a very high level complaint. What exactly do you mean? Do you want to set up a POP mail server? What is it that the Android isn't doing that you need it to do? I'm pretty sure you can set up POP and SMTP on it.
(Although gmail is way better)
Hey guys....and/or gals.....I didn't think that this was such a dumb question. This is a developer site..... It appears that Win devices still lack in the screen department and that some items have issues with the Android platform.
However that being said, there are several good apps on the market that will get you the ability to sync contacts,etc and push email to you too.
Search the market and you shall find.......
Later...............
Android is light years ahead.. I believe it will make people smarter. Windoze is not the way to go for mobile.
I got a windows 7 tablet and the touch on it is Mod Edit useless... I got 5 crap apps to play with....
I have zero faith in ms in the mobile arena.
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For outlook:
- mail: I use pop for outlook accout, no problem
- address boolk: sync with gmail is better
- calender : I use google calendar sync with outlook and then with dell totally automatic with wireless
- task: google task...
- office ... Read and edit something in dellstreak is ok for me
In fact I was a "adept" of winmo - from wm5 with O2 xda, Atom Exec, Atom, HD1, and last time I was in chose between HD7 and Dell Streak ... Finally Dell is not a wrong chose for me, normal and buseness use.
But this idea is still good for me, and for all loving decovery new one in hi-tech world...
Thank you for sharing.
Davidsy said:
For outlook:
- mail: I use pop for outlook accout, no problem
- address boolk: sync with gmail is better
- calender : I use google calendar sync with outlook and then with dell totally automatic with wireless
- task: google task...
- office ... Read and edit something in dellstreak is ok for me
In fact I was a "adept" of winmo - from wm5 with O2 xda, Atom Exec, Atom, HD1, and last time I was in chose between HD7 and Dell Streak ... Finally Dell is not a wrong chose for me, normal and buseness use.
But this idea is still good for me, and for all loving decovery new one in hi-tech world...
Thank you for sharing.
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Thanks Davidsy, I get your point, however my concern is to be able to synchronize my mails (corporate with id like [email protected]), that is ALREADY lying in my MS outlook.
Of course setting up POP/SMTP (for this corporate email id) is very simple and I can very easily do it. My concern is HOW DO I GET ALL THOSE OLD MAILS LYING ALREADY IN MY MSOUTLOOK as I need to refer them -OFFLINE- time and again!!
I do understand that google is insisting us to use their cloud platform and keep our contacts/calendar/tasks etc. with them and sync from their server, for obvious reasons... which ha sits own pros and cons!!
But I am really glad that you have been a staunch winmo user (BUSINESS USER) and are actually now more happy with streak. This should give me confidence too...
I believe if you use the generic email app, if you click 'load more messages' it will actually get older messages. I was downloading messages from late 2009 that were still sitting on my email server. Not sure if this will work for Outlook mail, this was from my Comcast account that I set up.
Ravindra9 said:
Streak is a beautiful tablet device, however due to its android platform, it has got limitations of usage by a business user, unlike a windows phone OS based device, (for example we can not sync it with outlook!!!)
It would be a welcome if there could be some great chef who could cook a WINDOWS MOBILE ROM for Dell Streak (be it 6.5.x or windows phone 7 OS ROM!!!). This will be a dream come true...
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Not a fan of WM7, but love to see it port to streak. On another note, android do have business application support.
Ravindra9 said:
Streak is a beautiful tablet device, however due to its android platform, it has got limitations of usage by a business user, unlike a windows phone OS based device, (for example we can not sync it with outlook!!!)
It would be a welcome if there could be some great chef who could cook a WINDOWS MOBILE ROM for Dell Streak (be it 6.5.x or windows phone 7 OS ROM!!!). This will be a dream come true...
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Not Android Development
Please Post in the Correct Forum
Moving to General
Besides black berry, the next most mature Mobile OS for business now is the iphone believe it or not...
I have both an iphone and Streak and the iphone for outlook intergration runs circles around the android stuff..
Sorry, but in my eyes iTunes-requiring hardware is not really mature. But ALL systems have a lot room for improvement
Sync (mail, calendar, contacts) with our company-Exchange worked fine for me on the Streak (2.2). But now i got a company BB Bold 9700 (tweaked with BB OS 6). You can´t imagine how much i love my 5" screen and swype instead of the microscreen and mini-keys for my sausage-fingers. There are also features on BB which i´d like to have on Streak (like the cool rigtones of BB OS6), but in the end for me the Streak is the best mixture of features for my needs.
btw: Fanboys (of any brand/make) don´t forget that there´s nothing really perfect out there
Going from a winmo to android, because of the outlook sync issue, allowed me to break my addiction to office. I went with Thunderbird & Open Office...free at last!
stang393 said:
Besides black berry, the next most mature Mobile OS for business now is the iphone believe it or not...
I have both an iphone and Streak and the iphone for outlook intergration runs circles around the android stuff..
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Have you tried using Touchdown?
Since installing that, I have forgotten about my iPhone.
Actually in the three weeks I have had a Streak, my iPhone has not been powered on.
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Mobs69 said:
Have you tried using Touchdown?
Since installing that, I have forgotten about my iPhone.
Actually in the three weeks I have had a Streak, my iPhone has not been powered on.
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No But I will now, thanks for the tip!
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Have you tried using Touchdown?
Since installing that, I have forgotten about my iPhone.
Actually in the three weeks I have had a Streak, my iPhone has not been powered on.
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Thanks Mobs69 for the suggestion. I installed Touchdown but found that this works ONLY IF you are on EXCHANGE SERVER. My company does not have an exchange server and we use our corporate email IDs ([email protected]) directly on our OUTLOOK, through pop downloads.
In such a scenario, is there any scope of syncing, through Touchdown?
tavella said:
I'm sure one of the issues with adding a WP7 ROM is going to be the licensing. If I remember correctly, each WM device had a license for the OS to run on that device. That does not exist for the Streak so you may not see a WM/WP ROM on this ever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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In legal terms yes a license is required for each winmo or wince device sold but licensing is not done like in windows desktop. For winmo7 it is a little tricky (even more so than older winmo platforms) since you need to partner with msft and get their blessing before you as a manufacturer produce a winmo7 device that has access to all bells and whistles like Xbox live and marketplace...
On the porting site the most important bit is the BSP which needs to be supplied by qualcomm or one of its partner and actually do exists for the cpu used in streak even if it probably not include all additional drivers such as touch but even those can be obtained one way or another.
However, I do not see any reason to even further think on this subject unless winmo7 proves to be a considerable and capable platform, allowing user tinkering at some level which will require time to be proven or be forgotten...
On the outlook sync issue; actually android 2.1 and above natively sync with outlook (or with exchange to be more precise) eliminating the need to connect your phone or look a like device to your PC which is like using FAX to send a CD copy over POTS line...
Yes, I use exchange sync for corp mails on my streak; mail, calendar and contacts; not notes or tasks...
Happy new year everyone!
Sent from my Dell Streak using Tapatalk
Ok after running WinMo phones since their inception I have moved to Android
First thing I want to Do with my new S2 is sync with outlook...contacts, notes, tasks etc
What can I use to get all the data accross not just say contacts
Can I use Kies ?
Do a Google for CompanionLink
Thanks but $50 or $130 to sync to outlook seems insane
The latest & greatest and I cant just plug it in & sync
May as well send it back and keep my HD2
Use Samsung Kies. Its free to download from Samsung website.
i came from winmo and found it a real struggle to sync with outlook. you have to get used to everyone ignoring your question and telling you just to sync with google.
try kies - if that doesn't work, look for myphoneexplorer. it's also free, works flawlessly and is the closest thing i can find to activesync ...
I just found this page http://www.syncdroid.net/
Incredible... I have to [email protected]#k around with 40 pieces of software for a solution
The best phone cant even talk to one of the most widely used pieces of software
My very first windows phone at least did contacts flawlessly..I remember purchasing some software to sync notes...BUT that was 8 years ago!!
I've never had any Apple products because I dont like being told which way to do things and now Google seems no better
What a let down
You probably won't like this but there's a solution. For about $10 a month you can use an Exchange hosting service. In addition to all the syncs you're looking for you get true push e-mail and don't have to use any of the Google apps. It's elegant but not free.
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Look for Gsyncit I think its called.
Joe
Hi
just look at "MyPhoneExplorer" this is a grate soft and free.
regds
Henri
parianos said:
Hi
just look at "MyPhoneExplorer" this is a grate soft and free.
regds
Henri
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^ doesnt do notes or tasks according to the table on syncdroid.net
exchange active sync works for me. i get all my email on my android
Sorry man, thanks to all these corporations wanting to own your sould they do their best to keep you from being able to move cross platform. A real pia and yeah, people here don't seem to get that many organizations do not want any of their stuff going across third party data harvesting outfits (i.e. gmail) and they are not going to change any time soon. IMO you either deal with the crap workarounds or move on because things have been stagnant on this front from the start, there has been little movement up till now, and no sign of any real improvement in sight.
You don't need "crap workarounds" with Samsung Android phones - they Outlook sync either via USB or WiFi using Kies just fine. And this sync completely bypasses Google.
Its not a feature of Android in general, but something Samsung adds to their customized Android builds.
Nitrodesk
bocsta said:
Ok after running WinMo phones since their inception I have moved to Android
First thing I want to Do with my new S2 is sync with outlook...contacts, notes, tasks etc
What can I use to get all the data accross not just say contacts
Can I use Kies ?
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my friend, the best tool to manage outlook, is TouchDown from nitrodesk.
I use Gsyncit. I works very well.
Ingvarr said:
You don't need "crap workarounds" with Samsung Android phones - they Outlook sync either via USB or WiFi using Kies just fine. And this sync completely bypasses Google.
Its not a feature of Android in general, but something Samsung adds to their customized Android builds.
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I'm in the same boat...just moved from winmo and thought it would be easy....no it doesn't sync with kies just fine
Try Kies...it's not as intuitive as the almost invisable active sync
I have got my contacts accross although multiple address books look to have not been kept separate
I also havent check that 100% of whats in outlook has come accross as there are multiple fields
Pros coming across from WinMo:
- smooth op system
- havent pulled my battery once yet ..just as well as the cover is made of paper
Negs
- all that battery sucking stuff functions better, is easier to turn on and leave on so the juice dissapears just like before
parianos said:
Hi
just look at "MyPhoneExplorer" this is a grate soft and free.
regds
Henri
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Thanks Henri
I was ready to throw my new phone against the wall till I found this.
Sam
Install Google calender sync on your PC, that will sync Outlook to your Gmail account.
Then set your phones calender to sync to that same Gmail account and all will be handled automatically for you.
For free, may I add.
"Local" sync with active sync doesnt require any "sharing" with microsoft in the cloud which is why people dont want to share with google in the cloud
why should you have to get a Gmail account just cos you have a Android phone?