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I haven't seen any posts commenting on this issue too directly. I played with the Xoom in the Verizon store and noticed that although the UI animations were pretty smooth (with the exception of the app list fly-in, the rotation, and the page-turning in the reader, which all had a little frame stutter), the touch responsiveness in general still just wasn't quite up to par with the Ipad. When scrolling through homescreens there's a small but noticeable delay before the screen actually starts to scroll, whereas with the Ipad the scrolling seems to begin instantly. The Xoom is similar in feel to the Galaxy S phones, which were smooth but not quite as responsive as IOS, whose instantaneous responsiveness just inspires more confidence when you're navigating the device.
Ultimately it's a small difference but one that makes a big difference in the perception of the device's responsiveness. Is this a hardware or software issue? If Honeycomb finally has hardware acceleration, why are IOS and WP7 still ahead in this department? Is it because Android's more complex homescreens require more power to scroll? Is this due to something inherent in Android and Java? Is it possible that a future Honeycomb update might fix this completely? If someone with some expertise in the subject can comment on this, I'd really appreciate it. I fully expected Honeycomb to kill any complaints people could have about UI responsiveness, but it just doesn't seem to have happened yet, and I haven't seen any thorough explanation for it. Thanks a lot.
I just pulled out my Xoom and tested each of the things you talked about.
Auto rotation is slower than my phone.
Everything else is instant... though I have not used the reader. I have noticed stutter in the Kindle app.
But in the main UI, scrolling home screens and app list fly in is instant.
I have head of the auto rotate complaint and Kindle page turning complaint in other comments in this board and others... but the main UI? Nope.
I do not know what was the situation with the Xoom in the Verizon store, but in my personal usage the problem you describe does not exist... I think if it did on a wide basis, you would hear about it.
Describing something as a Hardware vs. Software issue in this case is non-productive. In every instance you can start with the hardware and say if it had more "oomph", you can often make a problem go away. Most issues like this can be dealt with in Software. The only time the whole thing is problematic is if the hardware is so underpowered in relation to what the software is trying to do. My guess is these things that are definitely happening (rotate, slow page turn) can be fixed in software, especially on this hardware.
My experience on the Android platforms is future updates fix first release issues.
My experience is also that extending future OS versions to hardware that cannot support them can be problematic, but Apple has experienced the same issue.
I have to agree that this is not as quick as I thought it would be.
I am blaming it on an app maybe, so I am removing everything back to stock.
The app list fly in is the worst. Looks better on my evo.
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I haven't seen any posts commenting on this issue too directly. I played with the Xoom in the Verizon store and noticed that although the UI animations were pretty smooth (with the exception of the app list fly-in, the rotation, and the page-turning in the reader, which all had a little frame stutter), the touch responsiveness in general still just wasn't quite up to par with the Ipad. When scrolling through homescreens there's a small but noticeable delay before the screen actually starts to scroll, whereas with the Ipad the scrolling seems to begin instantly. The Xoom is similar in feel to the Galaxy S phones, which were smooth but not quite as responsive as IOS, whose instantaneous responsiveness just inspires more confidence when you're navigating the device.
Ultimately it's a small difference but one that makes a big difference in the perception of the device's responsiveness. Is this a hardware or software issue? If Honeycomb finally has hardware acceleration, why are IOS and WP7 still ahead in this department? Is it because Android's more complex homescreens require more power to scroll? Is this due to something inherent in Android and Java? Is it possible that a future Honeycomb update might fix this completely? If someone with some expertise in the subject can comment on this, I'd really appreciate it. I fully expected Honeycomb to kill any complaints people could have about UI responsiveness, but it just doesn't seem to have happened yet, and I haven't seen any thorough explanation for it. Thanks a lot.
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I'm not finding the same issues you are. The orientation delay is 100% intentional. I wish there were built in options that let you mess with the delay, but that will happen soon enough. I don't mind or notice this intentional lag in daily use.
I'm not finding any other lack of smoothness. I've played with iOS on many different devices, and I find my Xoom to be just as smooth. The iOS devices were smoother than my Droid X (always have been smoother than my phones), but I like what powerful hardware mixed with Honeycomb has shown me.
I'd certainly love to be wrong about this. Maybe it was the display unit that was faulty. But even though the homescreen scrolling was perfectly "smooth," it was more the delay in response that bothered me. When I set my finger down and swiped from one screen to another, there was always a very short, split-second delay before the screen started moving, which felt as if my finger was "slipping" for a few millimeters before gripping the homescreen. This probably isn't even something that I would have noticed if I hadn't been comparing it side-by-side with the display-unit Ipad, which, in comparison, seemed to start scrolling without even the tiniest delay, which ultimately gave the Ipad app list a more authentic sense of tactility.
It looks like Bielinsk is having a similar experience, so we know this isn't a completely isolated phenomenon. Maybe both Bielinsk's and my experience had to do with the specific units and installed apps, but even the possibility that installing a certain app can degrade the whole UI experience on Honeycomb seems to be a problem that IOS is less prone to. I've also read reviews, such as the one on Anandtech, that note that smoothness in Honeycomb is improved but not quite at IOS-level. Again, I hope I'm wrong. Everything else about Honeycomb seems fantastic, but the not-as-responsive-as-IOS issue just seems like something that Android can't fully shake.
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I have to agree that this is not as quick as I thought it would be.
I am blaming it on an app maybe, so I am removing everything back to stock.
The app list fly in is the worst. Looks better on my evo.
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Please update us on whether wiping fixes the problem for you.
I uninstalled all the apps that are not Tablet apps and have the same issue.
Removed all widgets, except the clock.
I don't see any delay or pause changing home screens, but the app fly down list just really looks like ****. I put on spare parts and turned the animations to fast to see if that would help and it didn't see to do anything.
Actually the app fly-in frame-stutter was something that I first thought I noticed when Google demoed the tablet at their Honeycomb event. And then it seemed confirmed when I tried it myself at the store.
Yea, I noticed that when I played with one at Costco. I couldn't really tell if it was designed to look like that or not. I remember everyone raving during the Xoom's debut at CES about how smooth it was and using the app fly in as an example of said smoothness. Weird.
I think the lag and less responsive than expected phenomenon is absolutely real and undebateable even if some have not experienced it. We've seen it many times in online reviews and I have personally experienced it on demo units in store.
What it comes down to is development. Combinaton of hardware and software.
Although the experience is optimized on Android, it is prioritized on Apple.
That is the key idea you need to understand and unless the hardware and software BOTH prioritize it, Apple will always win here since they control both hardware AND software.
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That is the key idea you need to understand and unless the hardware and software BOTH prioritize it, Apple will always win here since they control both hardware AND software.
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Well, but then you look at the fluidness of WP7 devices for which the hardware is made by companies that aren't Microsoft, and this argument doesn't really seem like the whole story.
I love my xoom, so this is not a complaint, but the device is not as smooth as I expected it to be. I have an og droid running one of the cm7 builds and overclocked to 1.2ghz. It is a much smooter device than my xoom in many situations.
I do not experience lag on my home screens or when using widgets, but the app fly in is crap and the browser scrolling is laggy. It was this way when I purchased it so I do not attribute it to any apps in particular. I just think honeycomb is in need of some coding polish.
Really makes me wonder if the dual core is being used for anything aside from keeping the CPU in a lower state of energy consumption for battery life. I wish there was some sort of widget that could show CPU usage so that I can see what is making use of the hardware and what is not.
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This is depressing. I really don't understand how it's possible that a hardware-accelerated version of Android on a dual-core device can be, in certain UI animations, consistently laggier than non-hardware-accelerated versions of Android on certain single-core phones.
Edit: For example, the app drawer fly-in on a Samsung Vibrant with a custom ROM or just Launcherpro is extremely smooth--seems like twice the framerate of the same animation on any other Android phone I've seen.
I have 100% the same thoughts/experience, I bought this on day 1, and when I had it up with zero apps it was throwing me similar lag to what has been described so far - the experience just isn't smooth or polished.
The f'd up thing? We basically have to rely on groups like CM (who I love!!!) to make our exerperiences closer to what we expect, I think we can all agree that once/if (PLEASE!) the CM crew starts building custom ROM's for us it'll be optimized and if it still runs like this, that's proof (in my eyes) that something is seriously wrong with this platform.
Fingers crossed we see some kind of update soon... Either official or non.
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... But even though the homescreen scrolling was perfectly "smooth," it was more the delay in response that bothered me. When I set my finger down and swiped from one screen to another, there was always a very short, split-second delay before the screen started moving, which felt as if my finger was "slipping" for a few millimeters before gripping the homescreen. ...
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I think this is actually by design. This prevents screen movements when one touches the screen for whatever reason and moves slightly, but does not intend to slide the screen, preventing screen jitter. In testing, the slide amount is something less than a centimeter.
I'm trying to decide if I would turn it off or leave it on if it could be toggled.
I'm interested if alternate desktop app's would do this.
So, it is like the orientation delay that is apparently by design. I wish my phone had that, if flips a little to easily (vibrant).
I think IOS demonstrates pretty adequately that such a touch-response delay is not necessary. Same goes with, I think, orientation-switch delay. Re: the latter, when it's a problem on a device it seems like it's usually due to the threshold for the switch being set too low--not the responsiveness of the switch, which I think should happen immediately when the device is tilted a certain amount.
Hey folks, so I found a Xoom I could buy instore today and after having a brief play with it I bought one for £479. I've been at home with it for a few hours now and I can't decide if I am happy with it. I'm not trying to start another 'lets slag the Xoom off thread', It's all totally stock at the moment, I haven't rooted or OC'd. I've just got a few questions to ask...
The screen isn't fantastic that's for sure and I get a lot of ghosting, I asume this is common place in Xooms? Also I am getting MAJOR lag when I use any live wallpapers, the tablet just stammers though, no menu transition is smooth coming into or away from the homescreen, also going into the app drawer with just a normal static picture I get a really choppy transtion back and forth, is this normal?
I was expecting the tablet to be a beast with a dual core CPU and a decent GPU. I know it's a new OS, so I am asuming when Google rolls out the updates things are going to be further optimized for Honeycomb and we can expect an all together smoother experience?
if you haven't yet, turn your xoom off then back on. That should fix at least the app drawer with a static picture. Some live wallpapers lad my screen and make it choppy, yet some don't.
Unfortunately the screen is also something I get a little worried too, also would like to know about the sound... what do you guys think... is it good?
Im also about to take the plunge, after being almos certain I would get an Asus Transformer... after seeing it side to side with the Xoom and the Acer Iconia... the Xoom takes the cake in design and size. Ill always love the Asus... but I think that bezel is just too much... and the plastic back :-( ....aswell as only 1.2mp front camera and so far only a 16gb model.
...also I think the Xoom will be more supported by the dev community, and being a dev myself lets go!
The sound is very, very good in my opinion. I was very impressed when I first played a video in YouTube. What's not so impressive is the lag the whole device seems to suffer from, especially web browsers, I get FCs from the stock browser and it's slow to scroll, and I mean slow I get good one and two second response delays when scrolling and the screen judders everywhere. It's the same with Dolphin HD and Miren Browser. It's almost like the processor is running at 100% while the web browser is open, my Desire runs Dolphin Browser HD (my stock web browser) flawlessly why can't the Xoom? This is surely software related?
I'm not hapy with the idea of having to overclock my Xoom to 1.5Ghz to get it to run as I would expect it to at stock clocks.
The sound is quite impressive inmy opinion. Quality is great and pretty high volume without any distortion.
I don't have too much trouble with the stock browser. At least not any more than my laptop. My guess is that the browser is not the most efficient code at the moment and proabably does not take advantage of both cores.
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I take it there is no word from Moto/Google of the SD update? I guess it'll come with various fixes and optimizations.
Ok guys, here it is. My first-impressions with the 32GB Asus Transformer after about 24 hours of use. I would like to mention that the opinions below are formulated by someone who owns and uses the first generation iPad (I hate most things Apple) since it was released as well as a Nook Color for about two months.
PROS:
1. Browser (especially bookmark sync with Chrome): After using this for about 5 minutes I knew I was never going to be able to do without this feature. As someone who has their bookmarks extremely well organized in folders and such, syncing is a must. I didn't even bother migrating my bookmarks to my iPad as I knew it would take days to do, so I just learned to do without. However, this feature alone, makes this tablet more like a laptop/desktop replacement than the iPad could ever be. The speed is also very nice. However, I must say that the scrolling and pinching doesn't compare to that of the iPad.
2. Ability to change keyboard (SwiftKey): I must say that the Asus keyboard is pretty horrible. I don't know if it's the slight delay depending on the software that's running, the spacing, aesthetics of the keys, or simply the fact that you have to go to a submenu to access keys such as the "?" or "!" (c'mon, those are pretty commonly used keys). But after using SwiftKey BETA, I must say that the difference has been night and day. I hate having to rest these tablets somewhere or rely on using one hand to access all the keys when in horizontal mode. Fortunately, with SwiftKey, I don't have to worry about that and can keep my hands where they should be, on the bezel. Now if only the TF could automatically change keyboards when docked. SwiftKey can get kind of annoying when using the keyboard to type with its corrections. I think Tasker can handle this though, I'll let you know.
3. Dock: Wow! I was really skeptical as to how practical and efficient the dock would be. To my surprise, I was really impressed with how much it makes the Tranformer feel like a netbook (albeit a bit heavier than most netbooks). Not just a netbook, but an Apple netbook at that. I'm an avid Microsoft/Google fan, but one really must recognize and admire how fluid navigating on an Apple laptop is. The swiping of the finger on the trackpad to scroll up/down, left/right, makes it feel really Apple-esque. Props to Asus! By the way, haven't had any disconnecting dock issues so far. Keeping my fingers crossed!
4. Screen resolution: This thing sure is crisp. Aside from the negative issues I have with the screen (light bleeds; see below), I must admit that in the color/sharpness department, this thing is as crisp as my iPad and Nook Color are. I still would probably give the edge to the Nook Color, but I think it's a small screen/pixel density situation then.
CONS:
QUALITY CONTROL ISSUES:
1. Light Bleed: I posted my issues with it here. As I mentioned on that thread, it isn't too noticeable (only on full brightness or in a really dark setting). But the fact of the matter is that the screen is what you're staring at 100% of the time with such a device; and just knowing that you do have light bleeds keeps you subconsciously hunting for them. Really is a shame that this is an issue. I'm leaning towards getting it exchanged as soon as I feel that newer ones have these issues addressed (not holding my breath). Until then, I guess I'll have to get used to it. The question is, will I?
2. Very small creakiness on left/right edges (pushing inwards): Not much of a problem, but it is worth mentioning. Not that it is very noticeable; it's just that such creaking makes the overall quality and feel of the product seem a bit on the cheap side. I guess I was spoiled by my iPad, but I really don't worry about that thing falling down. This thing seems a bit more sensitive for me. Perhaps I'll get used to it with time?!
OTHER HARDWARE ISSUES:
1. Weight: I don't know of it's just my mind playing tricks on me or what, but the TF seems much heavier than my iPad (first gen). Perhaps it is the difference in dimensions which might require some time getting used to. I don't know what it is, but I definetely can't hold this thing comfortably nearly as long as I can the iPad.
2. Video Playback (including HQ YouTube): People are claiming that this is a limitation of the Tegra 2 processor. If that's the case, than why in the hell would they even bother with it? I mean, I don't expect this thing to run and yield the same quality that my 42" Panasonic VIERA plasma TV does, but this is a tablet. At least 1/3 of everything people do with tablet is watch movies. Especially YouTube movies. This thing should handle it as fine as the first generation iPad does (you know, the one that came out over a year ago). C'mon now! Anyways, my HQ YouTube videos sporadically jerks around and HD videos, well, you've probably seen tons of complaints about it. Tsk, tsk!
3. Smoothness/Speed: I must say that I was somewhat let down with the performance right out-of-the-box. Once again, it must be spoiled by the iPad here. I just feel that either Honeycomb is trying to pack too many animations, graphics, etc. or the processor is just lacking. Whatever the case, I am hoping that someone roots this thing fast and removes some of the resource hogs out of here (apparently there are a lot of unnecessary programs running on the background). Don't get me wrong, this thing isn't dragging ass or anything. It just isn't as speedy as I expected it to be out-of-the-box. I guess I'm more concerned about when I have my 100+ apps installed on this thing. If it's like this now, how will it be then? My EVO 4G seems a lot more fluid when navigating than this thing does, especially when it has a fresh install on it.
4. Smudgeness: I've seen some people complain about this here and there but I thought they just weren't used to using anything touchscreen and were probably exagerating. I was wrong. This thing really does attract a lot more smudging than the iPad, Nook Color, or my Evo. Not that big a deal, but a minor nuissance indeed.
SOFTWARE ISSUES:
1. App Availability/Reliability: So far I haven't come across many apps that don't work well with Honeycomb, but the ones that I do have issues with really bother me. Words with Friends need to step their game up and fix some of the performance and density issues the game is plagued with. Also, out of the apps that are available for Honeycomb and the iPad, the iPad version not only runs so much smoother, but usually contain a lot more features as well. Take Taptu for example. It looks and feels completely different and a lot more robust on the iPad. What a shame! (BTW, I know this is not a TF issue, but a HC issue. Relax!)
2. Auto-brightness: I mentioned this before in this thread. It really does seem that the auto-brightness is a bit too dim. Maybe it is just a dimmer screen than the iPad or Nook Color. But even still, it could use auto-brightness to compensate for that when not in max-brightness mode. Right?
3. Camera: I wasn't expecting wonders from the camera, but I was expecting a lot better movement experience when video recording. I hope that this is something that can be addressed with a software update (maybe tweaking the processing of the captured image/video). On a good note, the front-facing camera worked pretty decently.
I understand that getting a "perfect" device is, in most cases, unrealistic. But, as much as I despise almost everything Apple, I haven't had any cosmetic issues with any of the iPads/iPods I've owned or used. So I know it is possible to be a lot better.
I know, well, hope, that the future is much brighter for the Transformer. Asus seem to be very involved in improving our experience, which is a good sign. Let's just hope they can tackle the camera and video performance as soon as possible.
I know it seems that I have a lot more complaints than praises here. Don't get me wrong, there are issues. But the positive far outweighs them. At least enough for me to keep it. I highly recommend it to anyone wanting a tablet that will encompass a bit more than just surfing the net and watching YouTube videos. This thing really can replace your netbook.
SCORE: 7/10 (9/10 if they fix the software issues)
Reserved for updates, answers to questions, etc.
Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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You have brand new Android tablet, ipad2 is second release, just wait some time and see how android honeycomb becomes faster and powerful.
Greetings
I got 2 Acer Iconia A500
It's not smooth as it should be but it's because 3.0.1 Honeycomb... wait for IceCream 3.1 they promisses to increase the smoothness etc... about the UI
I saw also a lot of application that are optimized phone run.... slooooow on tablet... but I don t complain it's just not mean to be on tablet yet, and if I compare the one made for the tablet they are far away better than the phone one
for me it's acceptable how it run.
it's like a baby need to grow up a little before be on the top.
After rooting the device and removing a whole bunch of bloatwares, my a500 is a lot smoother than before . Perhaps you should try the same and re-compare the 2 ?
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I got 2 Acer Iconia A500
It's not smooth as it should be but it's because 3.0.1 Honeycomb... wait for IceCream 3.1 they promisses to increase the smoothness etc... about the UI
I saw also a lot of application that are optimized phone run.... slooooow on tablet... but I don t complain it's just not mean to be on tablet yet, and if I compare the one made for the tablet they are far away better than the phone one
for me it's acceptable how it run.
it's like a baby need to grow up a little before be on the top.
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3.1 is not Icecream, it's Honeycomb 3.1
What bloatware exactly did you remove?
Thanks for the replies everyone!
i think its unfair to compared the 2 tablets for one in my opinion the lower Res ipad2 has less to do when scrolling left or right on their homescreen, I mean the gpu only has to render those cutesy little blocks of apps when on honeycomb the 3d esque transition plus widgets and everything else going on on the home screen.
I think 3.1 should take care of most problems but I don't see it being anymore smooth maybe when quad core tablets come out sure. I'm happy as long as there's more funtionality out the box from the tablet we good 3.1 is gonna bring alot to the table most important for me usb, graphic accelaration etc. My 2 cent that's all
don't forget that IOS is designed by apple for apple, so it's easily tweaked for speed, compatibility, etc.. since it's working on specific hardware, they take advantage of it as much as they can
android is made by google, but it's up to the oems to do everything else. so 2 tablets with similar hardware(or as close to identical as possible) from different oems, may run totally different.
Install ADW, home screen ui becomes much much smoother. other than that... and ipad's and ipad. Unfortunately ipad will always outclass our beloved androids simply because of the way apple runs things.
As said already, I am sure these things will improve. Starting with 3.1 when we get it and hopefully later when we get OC abilty. 1.5gh anyone
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i think its unfair to compared the 2 tablets for one in my opinion the lower Res ipad2 has less to do when scrolling left or right on their homescreen, I mean the gpu only has to render those cutesy little blocks of apps when on honeycomb the 3d esque transition plus widgets and everything else going on on the home screen.
I think 3.1 should take care of most problems but I don't see it being anymore smooth maybe when quad core tablets come out sure. I'm happy as long as there's more funtionality out the box from the tablet we good 3.1 is gonna bring alot to the table most important for me usb, graphic accelaration etc. My 2 cent that's all
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Yep,
Also, in-app speed on Android tablets is fast, though some apps coded poorly will be slow. Otherwise, this is a wash really.
As for homescreen flipping; iPad only scrolls screens with icons. Android tablets are scrolling screens with live widgets and live data display. Huge difference there.
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3.1 is not Icecream, it's Honeycomb 3.1
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I mixed up my mind... IceCream Sandwish is something else... haha thanks to remind it to me
cocobur said:
Hi Everyone,
I just got my first Android Tablet and am pretty much in love with it.
HOWEVER, my GF got an iPad2 and of course we couldn't help but compare the two devices.
Overall, Android wins in terms of functionality and features, but with regards to RESPONSIVENESS, the Acer is BLOWN AWAY. The animations, transitions, scrolling, panning, zooming, everything is much better on the iPad.
Is this the case for all our iconias or is it just mine?
Thanks in advance.
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its just you and yours..................
As others have mentioned there is a trade off. Android simply refuses to properly address UI framerate and overall smoothness. Webos win mobile ios all amazingly smooth with fantastic transitions....its not horsepower its proper coding and desire for a smooth UI.
Ipad renders everything seemingly 60fps but there's rarely anything going on . One glance ...just a glance I can see how many emails I have ..the weather forecast.. and latest updates on fb and twitter..while being notified of new updates to apps.
I much prefer that to opening and closing 7 apps regardless of how smooth it is doing it.
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What bloatware exactly did you remove?
Thanks for the replies everyone!
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well for reference you can read this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056905
furthermore I also removed photo3d and the keyboard app (replaced with thumb keyboard).
After removing those apps I got rid of some problem i had before such as screen unresponsiveness after sleep (happen sometimes), slow rotation of screen (now it changes screen orientation almost instantly ), more battery life by removing the phone.apk (because before the tablet is always looking for 3g signals)
Though as reminder you need these apps for updates to work properly so please keep the original apk files
i honestly do not care.the difference in the UK smoothness is usually not functional. In that I mean when someone needs to show just how "smooth" IOs is they usually swipe their finger across the screen as fast as they can to show how fast IOs tracks your finger but how often do you really need to swipe your finger that quickly across your screen? Ihave literally no complaints.
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As said already, I am sure these things will improve. Starting with 3.1 when we get it and hopefully later when we get OC abilty. 1.5gh anyone
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every time i go on the xda homepage and see the "asus overclocked" and "xoom overclocked" i die a little on the inside. because toughs quadrant scores kick @$$. and its sad because i personally think hardware wise we have the best tablet on the market.
I mean just from browsing here I am most likely not getting the 10.1. How come there is close to no good things being said? It's like everyone on here has problems with the SGT 10.1....
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I mean just from browsing here I am most likely not getting the 10.1. How come there is close to no good things being said? It's like everyone on here has problems with the SGT 10.1....
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Because it's in the human nature to whine about stuff that doesn't work right.
So the complaints you see here is not from the majority of Tab owners, just the few that are having some kind of problem with it. Don't read too much in to it.
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Because it's in the human nature to whine about stuff that doesn't work right.
So the complaints you see here is not from the majority of Tab owners, just the few that are having some kind of problem with it. Don't read too much in to it.
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The smartest way to purchase tech is to NOT read review's but to read review's from peer's like myself.
I am most likely buying one regardless but thinking closely of getting my Xoom back.
IDC About SD/HDMI Ports..
I do however care about the Lag I am seeing on YouTube vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho72WJVEaSg
Is your tab not laggy?
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The smartest way to purchase tech is to NOT read review's but to read review's from peer's like myself.
I am most likely buying one regardless but thinking closely of getting my Xoom back.
IDC About SD/HDMI Ports..
I do however care about the Lag I am seeing on YouTube vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho72WJVEaSg
Is your tab not laggy?
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I live in Europe, so I won't get mine until the end of June. Hopefully.
Like you, I don't think the SD/HDMI ports are imortant. I'm not worried about the lag either. I'll be fixed either in an official update, or by rooting and installing a custom rom.
laggy is only the damn honeycomb-sucker-launcher! On 3.0.1 laggy as ****... on 3.1 just laggy... but not so bad as 3.0.1.
Solution:
ADW-Launcher-EX!!!!
No Lags... and every widget... i mean every widget is now resizable. More space on screen... etc.
It completely changes the feel of honeycomb.
Try it out... its an honeycomb-issue not an tab-issue.
Super-S said:
laggy is only the damn honeycomb-sucker-launcher! On 3.0.1 laggy as ****... on 3.1 just laggy... but not so bad as 3.0.1.
Solution:
ADW-Launcher-EX!!!!
No Lags... and every widget... i mean every widget is now resizable. More space on screen... etc.
It completely changes the feel of honeycomb.
Try it out... its an honeycomb-issue not an tab-issue.
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but does it fix the video-lag that you get on all the tabs? I like HC 3.1 but it treats me like a beta tester, same with all the apps.
jamaicansolja said:
The smartest way to purchase tech is to NOT read review's but to read review's from peer's like myself.
I am most likely buying one regardless but thinking closely of getting my Xoom back.
IDC About SD/HDMI Ports..
I do however care about the Lag I am seeing on YouTube vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho72WJVEaSg
Is your tab not laggy?
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Live Wallpaper + 6 apps running?
Common guys, this videos was make for apple fã-boys... ridiculous....
I bought mine on Friday. I haven't noticed any lag to the degree in that video. In fact it seldom lags at all.
I did have a dead pixel. I exchanged the tab and this new one is perfect.
The only downer to this thing is that my macbook doesn't recognize it yet. Apple and Samsung not playing nice together. Can you imagine that?
actually there's more issues on the transformer forum. i'm on my 3rd due to quality control issues.
lag is a real issue on my gt101. the input seems to occur maybe a half second behind my finger. very annoying when scrolling web pages. this isn't a honeycomb issue as the xoom and tf don't exhibit this behavior.
also, the gt101 seems to randomly screw up xda bookmarks. i've turned off google sync and it's still screwing them up. neither the xoom or tf does this with syncing. and someone else pointed out that it does it on another samsung device. never had the problem with my gt7 since i've never used the stock browser on it. but hc stock browser is so nice that i prefer it over the 3rd party browsers.
You also have to consider different development teams. Maybe the xoom and asus developers found that bug before they released it. Most of the issues that you're seeing are software related. I wouldn't, not, buy the tablet because of that. When roms start rolling out, lag fixed kernels, etc its going to be a beautiful world. Samsung probably didn't spend too much time on the stuff launcher because they are spending their time on touchwiz. So would guess that's the reason that bug is still there.
X10D3 said:
You also have to consider different development teams. Maybe the xoom and asus developers found that bug before they released it. Most of the issues that you're seeing are software related. I wouldn't, not, buy the tablet because of that. When roms start rolling out, lag fixed kernels, etc its going to be a beautiful world. Samsung probably didn't spend too much time on the stuff launcher because they are spending their time on touchwiz. So would guess that's the reason that bug is still there.
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You are right.
And generally speaking, don't forget that only the people who have bugs write in blogs. All the others are happy and we don't read about them.
jamaicansolja said:
I do however care about the Lag I am seeing on YouTube vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho72WJVEaSg
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I'm experiencing a small lag on my launcher aswell but my 3.1 Transformer was the same. I believe it's a HC related issue and hopefully it will be fixed in a future update
For what it's worth despite the lag I was experiencing in that video I made I still am enjoying the tab and would recommend it. It's noticeably smoother now after going into recovery and doing a complete wiPe. Not sure what the issue was but I can't seem to reproduce the same amount of lag anymore.
I get the keyboard lag and some issues with the market but nothing of any real significance. This reminds me exactly of the release of the Captivate. Amazing device that was absolute **** for the the first three or four months because of lack of accessories and mediocre performing 2.1 eclair. As soon as devs started ripping into the phone it was like night and day, phone was easily twice as responsive (obviously subjective) after some custom rom goodness. Then finally accessories, mainly cases, came out and by the four month mark the launch of the captivate was finally complete. SO yes Samsung are absolutely horrible at launching new devices, some may call it them trying to drum up hype but its really just them being the morons they are. That said, they usually make a great product that has one fairly sizable flaw but is still better than any of the products it competes with.
Like the galaxy, but will wait until bugs are worked out first, than decide on a purchase. Too many issues at launch, which is now the norm for all the tabs that are out, and that includes the IPad 2 with screen issues.
3.1 is still in need of lots of work, and 3.5 would be better if ever released this year. Too bad, was looking forward to this tab, but now I'll wait and read up on the users reviews for awhile longer.
Good luck early adopters
i have my 10.1v for about a month now. i don't have an problems or complaints, except for the poor battery life compared to an ipad (but battery ist still good though).
I have had a really good experience so far with my SGT 10.1. The keyboard lag is fixable by turning off haptic and changing my keyboard to either a SlideIT or Thumbs.
I will also say that the HC launcher in general is very laggy and I'm considering going with ADW or LauncherPro. For videos I use Freemake Video converter (free!) and Mobo Player and I have no issues at all. I got into the habit of converting all my media anyway because of my iPad not being able to play my avi's.
Also, live wallpapers kill this device... I wonder if the lag is an OpenGL issue?
X10D3 said:
You also have to consider different development teams. Maybe the xoom and asus developers found that bug before they released it. Most of the issues that you're seeing are software related. I wouldn't, not, buy the tablet because of that. When roms start rolling out, lag fixed kernels, etc its going to be a beautiful world. Samsung probably didn't spend too much time on the stuff launcher because they are spending their time on touchwiz. So would guess that's the reason that bug is still there.
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Xoom update to 3.1 did come directly from Google, so i doubt Motorola had much to do with it. Looking at the GT10.1 videos, it seems to me that Samsung has made some small tweaks and this has caused some problems that the other 3.1 tablets don't have.
Be careful, only Xoom bought in US.
Non-US Xoom owners are still on 3.01 with promised to be updated in couple of months (Source: Moto forum).
poisike said:
Xoom update to 3.1 did come directly from Google, so i doubt Motorola had much to do with it. Looking at the GT10.1 videos, it seems to me that Samsung has made some small tweaks and this has caused some problems that the other 3.1 tablets don't have.
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TheBigSaxon said:
I have had a really good experience so far with my SGT 10.1. The keyboard lag is fixable by turning off haptic and changing my keyboard to either a SlideIT or Thumbs.
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Also, live wallpapers kill this device... I wonder if the lag is an OpenGL issue?
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It could very well be an OpenGL issue. I noticed when I turned off OpenGL rendering in the browser my input lag disappeared. And Thumbs is pretty much the greatest keyboard for a tablet evar.
To the OP, I love the **** outa my GT. Played with a friends Xoom but disliked the bulky feeling of the device. The GT is svelte, smooth, and sexy.