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Sprint Tweet on 2.1 for Hero/Moment

Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...

So we are looking at April or May.. nice althought most probably by that time we'll be sick of having it for a couple of months already.

I read that. Meh, What they are saying is, "HTC, Samsung : DO we have all of the bugs patched" and HTC and Samsung going...****....did we patch asroot2? Haha.

They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.

Kcarpenter said:
Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...
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This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.

Darkshneider said:
They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.
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+1 Same here

rockcrawler said:
This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.
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@Sprint

Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
Originally Posted by twitter.com/sprint
@Kcarpenter5407 Have always said 1H2010, now we're saying early Q2.
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1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.

cmccracken said:
Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.
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ROFL i hadn't checked back! That is true, they did say 1H.
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Who knew they actually read that crap.

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I knew I was going to feel special, but I asked anyway LOL

I wonder if they are going to be updating due to the fact that the Legend and Desire are both going to be release early next quarter? Hence, a new version of Sense will be on the market and they won't be able to use the 'it's not ready' yet excuse anymore.

if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with

Street_Knowledge said:
if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with
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No offense to the devs here, but what they do is really not in any way similar or comparable to what the HTC devs are doing.

Really? I thought the only difference was that guys at HTC have official kernels and the closed source part of the phone...

The "closed source part of the phone" is the vast majority of the code running on it, including most bundled apps and Sense UI. The bundled Google apps are also closed-source and non-distributable (and the new versions rock).

Exactly, DEVs over here still tinker with what they have and make amazing things with so little.

I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.

johnsongrantr said:
I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.
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Sometimes writing from scratch is much easier that editing/fixing someone else's F*^ed code.
[rant]I worked as a Team lead and the company basically replaced most of my team with offshore (H1B's). I got stuck trying to support poorly written code. In my experience one good developer that writes well-documented code and properly tests his code is worth about 15-20 Offshore developers when you start factoring in bug fixing, code management, and support. The company saved $30,000 for each developer they replaced, but then had to hire 3 times the amount of personnel for support.
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Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
I haven't dove into htc's code just look around yet, I did with the palm pre a bit and saw some of their almost comical comments they made on some of their internal apps, very neatly commented just some of the stuff they said was kinda comical (talking bout sections of their code being rubish but working.. noting to clean it up later)... I liked the general mood the palm dev's had at the time of their first release (rushed but focused it seemed)

johnsongrantr said:
Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
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see thats the thing, they have already shown off several phones running sense and 2.1
whats the holdup here?

Why doesnt Samsung just do what we do?

why doesn't samsung do what us rooted people do?
Our ROMS are usually faster, and more stable than their stock ones... why not use some of the ideas from us and improve on it?

Because they'd loose customers.
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Alex530 said:
Because they'd loose customers.
Sent from the Bermuda Triangle.
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how would they lose customers if they just improved their software by working with the devs' roms on here?

theres a difference between what we love to do (maximizing our vibrants) and what the set "standard" will be for all people. They have a marketing department and analyze what their customers want, trust me, they know more than you when it comes to sales, after all, that's their main concern.
you'd be surprised how many people think the vibrant is the most amazing phone on earth out of the box, I have many friends who just lose interest if i ever mention any mods they can make because they dont care, they like their safe, warrantied vibrant.
EDIT: Not to mention Master would probably try and sue them

Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?

heygrl said:
Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?
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thats why i said they can use these and improve it, because i'm sure Samsung knows that with the custom ROMS people are getting better battery life, stable, etc.
why not use their ROMs and improvise it, or work with the DEVS?

heygrl said:
Because not everyone goes for tacky or buggy. I'm speaking for regular consumers when I say these roms here don't cut it. Especially the heavily themed ones. Really horrific... has one actually reached a release status with no serious bugs?
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Obsidian V5, Onyx 4.2, Macnut R14, Nero beta3 and Ginger Clone are pretty bug free. If you have major issues with one of these, you're doing it wrong.

Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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iynfynity said:
Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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but im not talking about it being a "custom rom"
if samsung worked on it, and improved it, then it'd be a OFFICIAL ROM.
but i get what your trying to say. haha

xriderx66 said:
but im not talking about it being a "custom rom"
if samsung worked on it, and improved it, then it'd be a OFFICIAL ROM.
but i get what your trying to say. haha
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What makes you think that Samsung isn't using some of the code that is available or getting input from other devs out/inside of XDA? This is technically an OPEN platform. Where do you think the source for this stuff comes from?
Regardless, from my personal experience dealing with electrronics, once you buy a "new" product you are subsiquently beta testing for the next beta version... This is paradigm of electronic development/ownership.

All~G1 said:
What makes you think that Samsung isn't using some of the code that is available or getting input from other devs out/inside of XDA? This is technically an OPEN platform. Where do you think the source for this stuff comes from?
Regardless, from my personal experience dealing with electrronics, once you buy a "new" product you are subsiquently beta testing for the next beta version... This is paradigm of electronic development/ownership.
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I agree with the bolded part.
They might be using some of it, but i mean with the stock, most peopel dont have too much good battery, and some of these ROMS give GREAT battery life, why dont they use that part of the code?

Samsung isn't going to take hacks from XDA. It's not happening nor has it. XDA didn't fix the aGPS, XDA didn't fix much of anything... they take what SAMSUNG gives them and hack it up.
Lagfixes are hacks.
Battery life enhancements aren't rocket science. One bad release with a bug that sucks up battery life doesn't mean they don't know how to optimize their software for the best performance. And you STILL have people saying "my battery life sucks".
I highly doubt all of the roms don't have some random bug in them besides looking horrible.

Unfortunately, Samsung doesn't know how to or is unwilling to release its source. The I9000 source wouldn't even compile. So we are left with hacks and workarounds. They aren't going to integrate that into their OS. One thing to keep in mind about Samsung is that they do quitea bit of business with the worlds largest pirate, China. I honestly believe that they release their source in a way that they technically comply with the GPL, but don't make it easy to clone. My mom worked for Motorola for 30 years before her division was sold off. Moto had what appeared to be a sweet contract in China only to see it undermined by clones of their devices and government indifference to laws.
Unfortunately, they are also going to stick with that hideous iOS knockoff interface as well. I want my phone to look like an Android device, not a flea market clone of an iPhone. I honestly wish i'd done more research on the phone and read the Behold 2 forums before buying the phone. If it wasn't for the devs here, I'd be sporting a N1 or G2.
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most peopel dont have too much good battery
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What statistical evidence do you have to support that contention? I hope you're not basing it on counting forum posts. That would be like sitting in an ER trying to gauge the general population accident rates. Do you know how many Vibrants have been sold, and what actual percentage of users have at least "acceptable" battery life? Same applies to GPS, lag, and every other problem you see posted here. Getting accurate facts about user experiences with a phone is not easy. If we had them I bet a lot of the "mystery" about why Samsung does or doesn't do certain things would be pretty obvious.

How about Grandpa ?
iynfynity said:
Can you imagine your mother flashing a custom Rom? lol
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I am old enough to be a grandpa to alot of you punks and I flash, write script, and customize at least once a week.
Some of the other posting in here hit it on the head. The Marketing makes sure people are wow'd by all the useless s#*t software.......... in fact marketing strive to only drive the perception that's all they care about ...that 1st impression is all they care about, once you buy marketing is done... the rest is up to tech from there on...
I've owned alot of phones and this is the best for customizing of all I have owned. Remember, think globally, like Russia, Peru, Papua New Guinea, Chad...... you think these people even know what a ROM is ?

Idea about demanding some answers

why don't we do the same thing like the guys wil LG Optimus did? they posted questions all over their Facebook site and Twitter.... how about a group effort to do the same?

We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.

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We've done that in the past with various phones. Samsung/Sprint just don't seem to care.
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Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).

apatcas said:
Well let's do it again. These phones are Samsung's best sellers. We should be able to give them a run for their money. I didn't pay 500$ for an antiquity(YES i bought it).
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Bought mine too - but it really didn't get anything solved for the 1.5 Hero kernel source - they still released it on their own schedule.

you know im just impressed that this worked for LG and when i even suggest this here everyone just gives the **** up... i mean really? do you think it will hurt our chances to get an update? people are so used to taking **** and just eating it up.
nothing in this world will just coincidently land in your lap.
here's the link... http://www.facebook.com/SamsungGalaxyS
I asked. didn't hurt me to type. then again i actually fought for a lot of stuff in life.

Its not about eating he piles of utter bs they feed us with a snow shovel, its the simple fact that they will release it on their own internal schedule and unless your giving the project manager head under his desk 9-5 then the ammount you ***** about the update matters to them about as much as one of their 8 year old production line workers complaining that they are hungry or just lost a finger in a machine. Complain all you want, they have their cash now and they can do as they please. Now wether or not what they do is a good business decision for keeping and maintaining a happy customer base is a totally different situation. In all actuality the people on this and other SGS boards are in the minority, just audible enough to cause a fuss and make them release a generic statement that all public companies would that won't effect stock prices. The other 70% of customers couldn't give two air ****s what 2.2 is or what the hell kernel or source actually mean othe than popcorn and original copy.
Now as far as it working for LG. You show m where they said "no you can't have it" and then said "ok well you *****ed and threatend law suits enough here it is" I may believe that they actually released it based on consumer pressure and demands, other wise they did the same thing every company does. Develop a product, change their mind 7 times a week, finally get something that is "ok" but in all reality is mediocre because of the politics involved internally, test it, fix it, lather, rinse, repeat as necessary, release to the customer and in the process shut the people up who are *****ing and won't be happy even when its done because someones $15 dollar sub standard blue tooth headset won't pair or an app in the market that used to work fine fcs now.
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Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Top Nurse said:
Like I've said before: Sprint has people deliberately "leak" updates to quiet down the tech crowd by throwing them a bone now and again. We also do their beta testing for them on a large scale. Do you think that Sprint engineers don't comb these boards for good ideas?
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Ofcourse they do,thats buisness...And the real reason 2.2/2.2.1 didnt come out sooner,work really didnt start till about a month and a half ago,and there is still no real rush.Have you noticed how many EVO commercials are on tv now,and pretty much no more epic commercials.Its because they need to sell as many of those phones as possible for reasons unknown.But there is a big push to sell those phones.Yes they held back on 2.2 to patch some things in 2.2.1,mostly root,but that was like 3 days extra work at most.
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Google - No Honeycomb AOSP for you!

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.

almostinsane said:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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More beta BS. I'll sell you a car but we only completed the frame.

Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.

Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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_RTFM_ said:
Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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LMAO!
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i dont understand what will make it "ready" if they are planning on eventually releasing it what will keep it from being ported to phones then. If its a matter of incompleteness then what's changed since Cupcake which everyone agrees was more .8 than 1.0. Releasing it to dev's will allow for bugfixes and tweaks to get merged upstream.

It will leak eventually. It always does...
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Yea I dont understand google some times. I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.

They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?

This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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As much of a ROM guy as I am, I admit this makes sense from a business stand point. Google makes $ from licensing and distribution (with regards to Android). The hacker communities do not make up said market for the most part.
The worst thing companies combat these days is negative publicity.
I owned an iPhone, two iterations, the 3G and the original. Why did my mother never purchase one, nor my sister? Simply because of how locked down they are due to MY advice. Were they ever going to buy said device due to their hackability? Hell no. But because I said it was sh**** that Apple locks their stuff down so much, they declined to buy said hardware.
Releasing the software for Google could have a lot of negative effects on a BRAND NEW operating system for a BRAND NEW market for Google. If people are throwing this on phones, you search it out on the internet, and everything is Honeycomb this sucks, and honeycomb that sucks, due to people using it on phones, most people who try to do basic research, like my mother, or sister,
will only see "THIS SUCKS".
Just my 2c, but I can see their stand point. Until they can find a way to keep it off the phones, I see this as an issue for google.
~m

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They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
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My understanding of that article is that Google doesn't feel its ready for phones. It's not that its not ready for tablets. They understand that they won't be able to stop people from using HC on phones, but trying to stave off the inevitable...
this HC thing looks like crap.... oh.. on my phone. In the end.. we are talking about a company here.. a company that needs to keep it's image.. and products.. (or software as you may call it).. as good as possible.
I don't think it's the best move Google could have made, but I think Google should do things in it's best interest to keep itself as a company in good standing. Long and short of it.. if things go south for google.. we'll all be unhappy. Just getting things out for the sake of allowing devs to play doesn't mean its the most sound decision for the company making it.
Yes, I know.. it's 'open source', but it is still a work-product. I think it's also entirely likely this is just a marketing ploy to say 'we told you so'.. and then it will get leaked and everything will go back to normal. But I still think people often forget that this is still a company that has to keep itself together to survive.
EDIT: So many things get written in the same time when you respond to a post! It seems as though I am joining the choir of.. this isn't so bad.

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This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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Well that hasn't stopped devs on xda porting it already - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978939

Darn you almostinsane, I was just about to post this but you beat me to it!
Its really unfortunate that Google is doing this, whatever happened to a completely open source OS? In my honest opinion I think they should release it to the public and let the various devs have at it and see what can be improved and take those improvements into consideration for the next release of Android. If the OS was only meant for tablets who is to say that x developer can port it to a handheld flawlessly? It would be a HUGE leap ahead for us and for big ol' G.
Either way, it'll happen with or without Google releasing the source as our one dev spacemoose1 has shown us with making a near perfect port to the Samsung tab of honeycomb.
Stinks money is such an issue, Google doesn't really need anymore haha.
Done with my rant now
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Another business reason for this decision: Google may not have programmed Honeycomb well.
An obvious(?) repercussion for grimy source code going public is more bashing of Honeycomb's alleged "beta-ness". The more app developers that use the ...poisonous open-source code, the more ...poisoned apps there will be.
Or, they want to curb full-blown Honeycomb from appearing on devices other than the Xoom for just a little longer.

you're right. I just hate that its true. Your sig shows you remember the G1 days when we were all just so happy about what our phone COULD do. It's gotten a lot whinnier around here since then.
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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As a ROM enthusiast; yea this sucks. Business it's understandable; but as the former it doesn't make me happy.
My NC sorely needs a aosp honeycomb, HC's tablet interface is superior to even CM7 on it.
Honestly though it's a lot of speculation here on why, but it really just sounds like an excuse (Bad one) to quiet the devs while really being a straight business decision.

How is not releasing honeycomb aosp right away not being open? Would you like all your roms without SD card support right now? Honeycomb is most likely stable enough for normal use for the average consumer and Google had to make footprint in the tablet industry before ipad2 was announced. Things were obviously rushed so i rather wait for them get everything situated. I think this unfortunate news but I'm not gonna cry foul when its something that's probably for the better. Google has proven with each iteration of android they have released source so just be patient
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Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
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I don't understand the logic here. What alternative are you seeking? Take it back for the Galaxy 10.1? It runs the same OS. Take it back for an iPad? It runs a closed OS.
The AOSP release is delayed ... maybe. Why would you return your Xoom because of this?
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Lots of ROMs, theming and tweaking, BUT what about REAL IMPROVING?

These days, I'm seeing lots of supposed teams tossing zillions of ROMs that are no real improvement. I think I have tried 1 out 2 and I stopped the flashing game after I realized they are almost the same dog with a different collar.
Am I the only one? Is our Vibrant a stalled device in terms of REAL development? Come on, boys, less theming and more real improving!!

You're kidding, right?
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I'm not kidding. Can you name a ROM that is not CM7 that is making real improvements like proper GPS with sensors and no path-sliding in Gingerbread, improved battery, no problems entering deep sleep and being fast?
Any ROM GB ROM that doesn't not suck, lasting less than 15 hours with moderate use?

You wanna go beg samsung to release source? Wait. Dont. By the way you type, you seem like a genius that can build us a source!

JMN... everyone jumped ship and started working on Gingerbread... without anything specific for our phone. I guess you could say we are stalled in that regard. Nobody wants 2.2.... and the 2.3.+ roms are missing a lot of the key things needed for what you seek. It is what it is.
Go pester T-Mobile and Samsung, not XDA/community/developers.
I do.

If it were as easy as you make it seem, I am sure our Vibrant would have a 100% working CM7 right now. Problem is, it isn't. We don't have any source code for Gingerbread, our GPS is from a half-baked file for the Galaxy S 4G, and Samsung decided to use several proprietary loops inside their source code that make the code counter-intuitive. As a result, our developers basically have to reverse engineer a good portion of the code itself.

Or you are more than welcome to start working on it yourself. Seems as up until JVQ dropped on I9000 I was the only one actually doing anything (with of course a couple other good people dropping in from time to time). From April until now we went from a build that was barely usable for more than a couple hours to builds that are definite daily drivers. Granted there are still some flaws but with less than a handful of people do any real developing on what free time we do have and for no incentive other than the thank you button and occasional donation I'd say we're doing pretty damn good.
In the words of someone famous you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem. Which are you going be?
EDIT: My statement above is putting CM7/MIUI aside, different animal/problems/features/pluses/minuses.
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I dunno man, I found a ROM that does everything that you listed. What you're asking is a lot of development time for marginal improvements.
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So what do you gotta say now bro?
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its not that easy to build a rom thats so great people build on xda some can be slightly better than others but hey thats why u get updates, if ur looking for good battery life on gb use an i9000 port like simplyhoney and u wont be mad about the battery life on the other hand i use cm7 and have been on it ever since nightlies started being released i will tell u it came a long way from no gps and battery drain to a half working gps which is still functional to decent battery life and i am grateful for all the hard work but into it

Funny seems like JMN went silent!
I think he got served!
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Biting the hands that feed... smh

OK, OK.
Please, forgive me for my anger being unleashed. Maybe it was that I see newer devices having a plethora of updates and improvements, or maybe because with my previous device (HTC Polaris running Windows Mobile 6) there was a man (XDA member know as DZO) that reverse engineered it, driver by driver to make a fully fledged Android device.
I ask you for your understanding, and hope you pardon me. You're right: the real problem here is that T-Mobile and Samsung abandoned the Vibrant to its own luck.
Lots of devs jumped ships because of that. I don't make them guilty about this situation, although I did in my first post. Sorry about that.
I'm a dev myself, but not so low level. I cannot compile drivers or reverse engineer. Otherwise, I would really like to collaborate with Atinm and the others.
Please, don't abandon or blame the Vibrant and other Galaxy S devices and try to squeeze all the juice out of it. If we all switch to the latest device, manufacturers will always laugh at us selling slightly different hardware, not upgrades for our totally capable devices.
Nothing more to add. Sorry for my rough and disrespectful words I wrote before. Long live XDA-Devs.

My fellows, I went to the T-Mobile USA facebook site (http://www.facebook.com/TMobile) and published this on their wall:
"SHAME ON YOU, T-MOBILE! Where is Gingerbread for the T-Mobile VIBRANT???? Do you ever care about your users? Do you think we will eat every phone you release with no questions and wishing NO SUPPORT? We do buy devices with future in mind. A ONE-year-device has been ditched away because you are too busy selling the so called 4G version. Too obvious you're playing with us, playing the "buy me and forget me" game. Sorry, but never again to you, T-Mobile, or whatever you will be called after the merger."
I hope you could support me or write comments criticizing the way T-Mobile is acting upon us.
Thanks.

I just re-posted your message on T-Mobiles Facebook site. Not too sure where yours went. Maybe they deleted it.

Thanks a lot, dude. They have the site configured so you cannot see the posts that users write on the wall until you explicitly reveal them using the "Most recent" option (link http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?sk=wall&filter=1). It's there, I think. We need to cry out loud.

I absolutely approve of telling T-Mobile we are tired of waiting.....
Gingerbread = Security.

I posted this on their facebook, all we can do is hope one day they get the point.
"T-mobile, you have a very loyal customer base that bought one of 2010's best smartphones, the Samsung Vibrant. However, with the release of the Samsung Vibrant 4g, we have been left in the dark and seemingly ignored regarding security updates and notifications, specifically the gingerbread 2.3 update. We buy devices with the future in mind, and expect to have full support for the devices we spend our hard earned money on. We know that Samsung awaits your instruction to push the updates, and we respectfully request you do so immediately, in order to be up to date on stability, security, and support. This situation has bothered and frustrated many in the Vibrant community, we only ask that you extinguish that fire by providing us the update we deserve and earned, by being your customers."

people will never learn...
they cannot support devices forever. it seems like every single person thinks that once they buy a smartphone, they are guaranteed lifetime support. the cell phone industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. i would much rather them cut off my support and have a beast upgrade waiting for me, rather than them focus on constantly rolling out updates for every single device theyve ever created just to shut up *****y consumers. think about it, getting stuck with an outdated device makes it all that much better once you get your upgrade! its amazing im saying this, as i despise corporate america.
i realize the vibrant is just over a year removed, BUT THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE DEVICE. i guarantee if you go to ANY other forum for a device that is 1+ years old, 95% of them will be filled with threads like this. update this, update that, fix this, release this blahblahiwantmybottleblahblah. its not JUST tmobile. its not JUST samsung. these accusations are so narrow-minded. what would happen if they released gingerbread??? two months later, the cry babies would be right back in full swing, "wheres honeycomb?? release honeycomb source!!" it has to end somewhere, you can never satisfy everybody, let alone ANYBODY in the vibrant forum.
its the industry. its the way it works, so stop acting like we are the only ones who are "suffering". its such an ignorant, narcissistic way of looking at it. enjoy what you got, nothings ever built to last. youre "stuck" with a damn good device, it is what you make it. weekly threads begging for gingerbread, or ****ting on tmobile/samsung is clearly not getting it done. so maybe people should be spending their time differently instead of constantly *****ing: get familiar with linux, learn to compile/decompile, learn to theme...its amazing how much fun (yes, without source!) youll be able to have once you learn some stuff. keep yourself busy creating new things, youll take more pride in your device knowing its something that YOU created, as opposed to trolling around and downloading anything you can get your sticky fingers on.
gingerbread isnt here....but neither is the end of the world.

TopShelf10 said:
people will never learn...
they cannot support devices forever. it seems like every single person thinks that once they buy a smartphone, they are guaranteed lifetime support. the cell phone industry is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. i would much rather them cut off my support and have a beast upgrade waiting for me, rather than them focus on constantly rolling out updates for every single device theyve ever created just to shut up *****y consumers. think about it, getting stuck with an outdated device makes it all that much better once you get your upgrade! its amazing im saying this, as i despise corporate america.
i realize the vibrant is just over a year removed, BUT THIS HAPPENS WITH EVERY SINGLE DEVICE. i guarantee if you go to ANY other forum for a device that is 1+ years old, 95% of them will be filled with threads like this. update this, update that, fix this, release this blahblahiwantmybottleblahblah. its not JUST tmobile. its not JUST samsung. these accusations are so narrow-minded. what would happen if they released gingerbread??? two months later, the cry babies would be right back in full swing, "wheres honeycomb?? release honeycomb source!!" it has to end somewhere, you can never satisfy everybody, let alone ANYBODY in the vibrant forum.
its the industry. its the way it works, so stop acting like we are the only ones who are "suffering". its such an ignorant, narcissistic way of looking at it. enjoy what you got, nothings ever built to last. youre "stuck" with a damn good device, it is what you make it. weekly threads begging for gingerbread, or ****ting on tmobile/samsung is clearly not getting it done. so maybe people should be spending their time differently instead of constantly *****ing: get familiar with linux, learn to compile/decompile, learn to theme...its amazing how much fun (yes, without source!) youll be able to have once you learn some stuff. keep yourself busy creating new things, youll take more pride in your device knowing its something that YOU created, as opposed to trolling around and downloading anything you can get your sticky fingers on.
gingerbread isnt here....but neither is the end of the world.
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To be honest, support for the Vibrant has been pretty much nonexistent from T-Mobile, I don't think it's too much to ask for a GB ROM from them and Samsung, had T-Mobile been into providing us service instead of trying to sell out we could have had a beter chance at some real support.