Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
hint...hint petitions do not work!
What is it with people and petitions? Next there will be a thread on "Lets sue HTC cause they locked it down".
Don't like it buy another phone it's just that plain and simple.
fixxxer2008 said:
hint...hint petitions do not work!
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You must not have much experience with community action/involvement. While it could be argued that petitioning alone won't work, when combined with a letter-writing campaign and townhall type meetings (like the email campaign and Facebook bombing currently going on), you have a proven recipe for getting results. The problem is getting people off their jaded asses, and involved. If it wasn't for the above strategy, the place I was married would have been closed and torn down, against the owner's wishes, 2 years ago. I'm not saying they are always gonna work, that would be a stupid thing to say, but saying they don't work at all is jaded and in blatant denial of reality.
DANG SON! 5000 sigs already? I'm kinda two-sided about petitions. A petition by itself will usually not get very far... however... if all of those people end up buying a different phone (i.e. one of the many many phones that are coming out soonish similar to the evo 3d).... HTC is going to be hurting money wise and will probably change their attitude. I myself was going to get an EVO 3d, but now am leaning towards the galaxy s2.
5000 is such a low number I doubt they would take it into consideration. I would perfer bombarding thier communication outlets and appear to look larger in numbers. Any big shot at HTC can say "Whats 5000 when we can sell 100,000+"
fixxxer2008 said:
hint...hint petitions do not work!
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Whether they do or not, it takes less than 5secs to sign.
Still worth a shot.
I don't think it will help much but, I still signed it.
Zabalba said:
5000 is such a low number I doubt they would take it into consideration. I would perfer bombarding thier communication outlets and appear to look larger in numbers. Any big shot at HTC can say "Whats 5000 when we can sell 100,000+"
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At $500 per phone ( that we get charged for the phone before rebates/deals/etc), 5000 is 2.5 million dollars. And yes, they'll still make more than plenty of money, but no wise company can rationalize a move that costs them 2.5 million+ dollars.
And someone can chime in that they will save money by not having to replace bricked phones... but in reality, those bricked phones get sent to htc, reset and sold as refurbished phones anyways.
Involvement is always a good thing when trying to make a change. I for one am signing.
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Vinchenzop said:
At $500 per phone ( that we get charged for the phone before rebates/deals/etc), 5000 is 2.5 million dollars. And yes, they'll still make more than plenty of money, but no wise company can rationalize a move that costs them 2.5 million+ dollars.
And someone can chime in that they will save money by not having to replace bricked phones... but in reality, those bricked phones get sent to htc, reset and sold as refurbished phones anyways.
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Somebody give this man a beer cause he is definitely
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I can't wait to see the number of people complaining and signing THEN still go out and buy the phone regardless of the lock down.
Truth is they (HTC) see the complaints and they know that no matter what the majority will STILL buy the phone without any changes made. Plus there is all the free advertizing they are getting from the petitions and complaint threads that will also help their sales in the long run.
ItsLasher said:
I can't wait to see the number of people complaining and signing THEN still go out and buy the phone regardless of the lock down.
Truth is they (HTC) see the complaints and they know that no matter what the majority will STILL buy the phone without any changes made. Plus there is all the free advertizing they are getting from the petitions and complaint threads that will also help their sales in the long run.
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Are you serious? thats the dumbest statement I have seen all day things like this bring bad fame to a product and when people ask their techie friends about what phone to get do you really thing they will say get a HTC phone now?
I bought in to android for one reason: custom roms and AOSP. I stuck with HTC because I liked their products in the past, and I loved the dev community that had built up around them. I do not understand the people who bought android and don't mod it. To me, that is missing the point in its entirety. So, why the fvch would I buy a totally locked down device that I couldn't mod to my heart's content?
Vinchenzop said:
At $500 per phone ( that we get charged for the phone before rebates/deals/etc), 5000 is 2.5 million dollars. And yes, they'll still make more than plenty of money, but no wise company can rationalize a move that costs them 2.5 million+ dollars.
And someone can chime in that they will save money by not having to replace bricked phones... but in reality, those bricked phones get sent to htc, reset and sold as refurbished phones anyways.
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Please don't use logic and intelligence in our forum.
Jbcarrera said:
Are you serious? thats the dumbest statement I have seen all day things like this bring bad fame to a product and when people ask their techie friends about what phone to get do you really thing they will say get a HTC phone now?
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The number of users who use and change modded ROMs is far smaller then the number of average users. Out of all the HTC phones sold the number of users who use and change ROMs regularly is if I was to guess 3% or less.
So bad fame, good fame it doesn't matter because the companies carter to the majority and this group isn't it I'm sorry to say.
Do I like the idea of lock down? NO.
Do I understand the way of business and how things actually work? Yes.
Flame me and hotlink pictures all you want but the fact of the matter is it all boils down to money and even with out your sale or your friends sales they will still succeed due to the larger majority that doesn't mind stock.
So buy or don't buy I could careless but like I stated before out of all that sign the petition I bet there will be a HUGE number that still buy this phone regardless.
ItsLasher said:
I can't wait to see the number of people complaining and signing THEN still go out and buy the phone regardless of the lock down.
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Yeah, it's true.
Most people are wishy washy.
Let's just hope that we can change HTC's mind.
Vinchenzop said:
At $500 per phone ( that we get charged for the phone before rebates/deals/etc), 5000 is 2.5 million dollars. And yes, they'll still make more than plenty of money, but no wise company can rationalize a move that costs them 2.5 million+ dollars.
And someone can chime in that they will save money by not having to replace bricked phones... but in reality, those bricked phones get sent to htc, reset and sold as refurbished phones anyways.
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At the minimum assuming they sold 100,000+ units (which I'm sure they will surpass easily) that accounts for 5% or less as more units are sold. They are simply looking at the bottom line, like any other company. I wonder how many of those on that petition are still going to go out and buy the phone. At the time of this post they did not state if they are going to reverse their decision on it or not.
The real question is why are they locking the bootloader. You can still get tether with regular root/sideloading. The only other function I can think of currently is to keep the life of the phone in control. It sounds as if this decision was based on keeping customers purchasing newer phones with the latest and greatest os and functions. An extreme example are those still using the G1 because they can still get GB. What they did not count on was the SIZE of the backlash of high end users/dev community.
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Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to let you see how much I have learned. I sent my phone to WindowsHD.com and had them mod the phone for me. I received it back and started tweaking it myself. I want you to see what can be done after WindowsHD.com created an amazing phone that can be tweaked to the sky. I customized the entire theme that you will see. Hope you like it!! It is called the Chanel Ultimate Theme. Thanks XDA-Developers and PPCGeeks along with the crew at WindowsHD.com for starting me in the right direction.
P.S. This is not the Dusk Theme. It uses parts of it but the theme was custom made by me.
Jen
Sprint - HTC Touch Pro 2
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Let me get this straight..... You sent in your phone so someone could transfer some theme files to it? Do you own a USB cable?
Why would I not just download any of the many themes that are already available on this site? You can customize them to achieve the same look with no cost and no wait while I send it in to a freakin' website. You = chump.
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Re: Chanel Theme
Hi,
I sent the phone to WindowsHD.com because I did not know how to unlock it. The phone was locked along with the sim card. I tried a few things that I found online and messed-up the phone..so off it went. WindowsHD.com fixed my phone, unlocked it, flashed it and customized it and sent it back to me unlocked. I then started to experiment as everyone does on XDA with different mods. I used different parts from different theme packages and put together what I call "The Ultimate Chanel Theme". I have not seen one custom theme on any BB's that even come close to mine. My theme is clean, classy and it shines. It is the "best" $24.95 I have ever spent. The same phone at T-Mobile unlocked is selling for almost $600 and they are trying to call it the HTC HD. My phone blows away the T-Mobile HTC HD and it only cost me $24.95. I received the phone for free from Sprint. Also, for XDA-Developers along with the people at PPCGeeks, I cannot thank the teams enough for the great BB's they host for everyone that likes to learn how to mod a phone, like myself. So thank you for your positive remarks. I love reading positive feedback. Jen
Yeah, this is just someone trying to get you to look into WindowsHD. They're probably a scam website that'll take your phone and your money and you'll never hear from them again.
Just sayin, you boys need to avoid this one.
Re: WindowsHD.com
Hi,
I would love to see what your phone theme looks like. You have many negative comments with only 74 posts in a year. If you think you know it all, put up or shut up! XDA-Developers and PPCGeeks are BB's for people to learn how to mod phones. I messed-up when I tried to flash my phone. WindowsHD.com fixed my phone for me. When people drop-off computers at places like Best Buy to be fixed, do you also say the same thing about the guys who work there? Watch out, they may steal your data? You need to take a chill pill and use these BB's as a learning tool instead of making fun of someone who just started out learning about all this mobile phone stuff. If you cannot post anything positive, don't post at all. WindowsHD.com did not steal my phone! They are a reputable website. Jen
JensHTC said:
The same phone at T-Mobile unlocked is selling for almost $600 and they are trying to call it the HTC HD.
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You are either referring to the HD2 or the Touch Pro 2 (this is a TP2 board). Either way, neither phone costs $600 even you bought it unsubsidized (no contract). Please do your research before spouting such claims.
HD2 MSRP $449.99 and TP2 MSRP $399.99
Strike one.
JensHTC said:
My phone blows away the T-Mobile HTC HD and it only cost me $24.95.
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And...
JensHTC said:
I messed-up when I tried to flash my phone. WindowsHD.com fixed my phone for me.
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The HD2 has 512MB of RAM and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Touch Pro 2 has 256MB of RAM and a 528MHz Qualcomm processor. Spec-wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. The capacitive screen on the HD2 is a pleasure to use, although I do prefer the speed of the TP2's physical keyboard.
Secondly, the phone was already capable of doing what your phone is doing now. WindowsHD.com did nothing that you could not do on your own. If you have the RUU for Sprint's Touch Pro 2, it will bring your phone back to it's original factory settings and it can be found online. All you need is ActiveSync and the RUU, both of which are free.
Strike two.
JensHTC said:
When people drop-off computers at places like Best Buy to be fixed, do you also say the same thing about the guys who work there? Watch out, they may steal your data?
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News flash! They do steal your data.
Consumerist catches Geek Squad stealing porn from customer's computer
STRIKE THREE! YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!
freakingwilly said:
You are either referring to the HD2 or the Touch Pro 2 (this is a TP2 board). Either way, neither phone costs $600 even you bought it unsubsidized (no contract). Please do your research before spouting such claims.
HD2 MSRP $449.99 and TP2 MSRP $399.99
Strike one.
And...The HD2 has 512MB of RAM and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor. The Touch Pro 2 has 256MB of RAM and a 528MHz Qualcomm processor. Spec-wise, the HD2 blows the TP2 out of the water. The capacitive screen on the HD2 is a pleasure to use, although I do prefer the speed of the TP2's physical keyboard.
Secondly, the phone was already capable of doing what your phone is doing now. WindowsHD.com did nothing that you could not do on your own. If you have the RUU for Sprint's Touch Pro 2, it will bring your phone back to it's original factory settings and it can be found online. All you need is ActiveSync and the RUU, both of which are free.
Strike two.
News flash! They do steal your data.
Consumerist catches Geek Squad stealing porn from customer's computer
STRIKE THREE! YOU'RE OUTTA HERE!
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Well said Freakingwilly.
Re: Touch Pro 2 - Overclocked to 1GHz
Hi,
Just to let you know, you are wrong. The price of an unlocked TP2 goes off between $300 and $600 online. Strike 1....Now, you think you know it all, 72 posts in one year, Mr. I know it all. You have nothing at all to contribute to this board accept for negative posts. Strike 2....As for the HD blowing away the HTC TP 2, think again, if you install the right apps and rom, you will get the same performance out of the HTC TP 2...Strike 3...You are stupid...
JensHTC said:
Hi,
Just to let you know, you are wrong. The price of an unlocked TP2 goes off between $300 and $600 online. Strike 1....Now, you think you know it all, 72 posts in one year, Mr. I know it all. You have nothing at all to contribute to this board accept for negative posts. Strike 2....As for the HD blowing away the HTC TP 2, think again, if you install the right apps and rom, you will get the same performance out of the HTC TP 2...Strike 3...You are stupid...
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Is there an age limit to post?........JensHTC, your home screen looks good but i`ve seen plenty here that looks like yours.Some even better.I`m not a "know it all",but i do alot of lurking around.You could have done everything yourself.You say you searched the forum but IMHO,i don`t think you did alot of it.Again,you home screen looks good.Just not all that special.
JensHTC said:
Hi,
Just to let you know, you are wrong. The price of an unlocked TP2 goes off between $300 and $600 online. Strike 1....Now, you think you know it all, 72 posts in one year, Mr. I know it all. You have nothing at all to contribute to this board accept for negative posts. Strike 2....As for the HD blowing away the HTC TP 2, think again, if you install the right apps and rom, you will get the same performance out of the HTC TP 2...Strike 3...You are stupid...
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I could very well be wrong but I dont think its possible to overclock the Touch Pro 2 to run at 1 gig... Someone else can chime in but I think it maxes out at 7oo and change. Also by running it at that speed you can damage your phone, again.. someone who knows about overclocking can chime in and comment if I'm wrong.
Sooo yeah, no the touch pro 2's performance will NEVER be as good as the HTC HD2, bigger screen, better specs. The only thing the Touch Pro 2 has going for it right now is the physical keyboard. Which I'm certain once someone has a phone with a full keyboard they would be hard pressed to go to one without one.
I wouldnt go saying this person was coming off as a "know it all at all" In fact they were mearly just stating facts. Everthing you paid this company to do you can do yourself. Although I do understand people who are too nervous to do stuff themselves wanting to send it away. You could have likely found a cell phone booth in your mall that would have unlocked your phone for you... or you can just get companies to unlock it via email (they give you the code etc etc)
You have to of known that by saying "Look what I got... and only for 24 dollars too" was likely going to get you flamed just a bit. There are thousands of people who do what they did to your phone on this forum doing it themselves so, you're bound to run into a few who think you got the short end of the stick.
What they were saying wasn't meant to be negative I dont think. You clearly took it as such because you feel you got a great deal for what they did to your phone. Others might feel they were ripped off because they were charged 24 dollars to have someone flash a rom to their phone and install a few other cabs. All of which we can do our selves. If you feel good about your purchase. Good for you and thank you for sharing your thoughts on the company.
Now, regarding your prices there. I'm going to have to disgree with you on that, sorry. When the Touch pro 2 was originally released yes, it was going for 600 dollars off contract..... Now, yeah not so much. Anyone who is going to buy a phone like this is going to do their research and they'll know they can get it for a few hundred dollars. Someone who pays the same "retail" price from when it was originally released is an idiot and I just feel bad for them
You also said an unlocked phone can go from $300-$600??? Don't you think that price range is a little ridiculous considering the phones would all be the SAME. Hey here's an unlocked phone for 300... No no by mine its the exact same but it's $600. Hmmmm which one are people going to choose.
Good luck with your phone. Like I said, I'm glad you like your device and enjoy learning more tweaks and hacks..
Keep coming back!
Ps: If your phone is overclocked I would do some serious reading about it to see if it's going to kill the phone. I know at bare minimum it lessons the life of the phone when you push it into the red.
JensHTC said:
Hi,
Just to let you know, you are wrong. The price of an unlocked TP2 goes off between $300 and $600 online. Strike 1....Now, you think you know it all, 72 posts in one year, Mr. I know it all. You have nothing at all to contribute to this board accept for negative posts. Strike 2....As for the HD blowing away the HTC TP 2, think again, if you install the right apps and rom, you will get the same performance out of the HTC TP 2...Strike 3...You are stupid...
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I think that with the same ROM, the HD2 will indeed outpace the TP2 - it has twice the processor, twice the ROM (storage memory) and twice the RAM (and RAM is the biggest issue with the TP2).
I'm pretty sure someone else advertised about that website before...they are most likely working for the company
My apologies if you're not...but like others said, all the graphics and fixes you have can be obtained for free and they are not even hard to work with. I'm glad you like your purchases but I would rather spend $25 on something more worth it
JensHTC said:
Just to let you know, you are wrong. The price of an unlocked TP2 goes off between $300 and $600 online.
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You really are quite the piece of work. You sit there and claim that the phone sells for $300 to $600 online when you show absolutely NO definitive proof. If you weren't so lazy, you would have clicked the links I provided earlier to see that the T-Mobile version of the phone (which you were referring to) sells OUT OF CONTRACT for less than $450.
Fail.
JensHTC said:
Now, you think you know it all, 72 posts in one year, Mr. I know it all. You have nothing at all to contribute to this board accept for negative posts. Strike 2
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I never said I know it all, so don't go putting words in other people's posts. Secondly, I've been a member of the forum for nearly 3 years, even if I only have 72 posts. I just lurk more than I post. Thirdly, you haven't even seen any of my posts so don't tell me that all I have to say is negative things. I refuse to allow good, honest members of this forum get scammed by people advertising a site that looks like it was designed by a 5th grader using DreamWeaver. Lastly, WindowsHD.com hides it's "Contact Us" link at the very bottom of the page and the only option you get is an e-mail link to [email protected]. I'm sorry, but I cannot trust a company where I cannot call and reach a LIVE HUMAN BEING.
Super fail.
JensHTC said:
As for the HD blowing away the HTC TP 2, think again, if you install the right apps and rom, you will get the same performance out of the HTC TP 2...Strike 3...You are stupid...
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Although it is true that some custom ROMs will make the phone more responsive and better at handling memory by removing bloatware, having more RAM and a faster processor will make a far greater difference than any custom ROM. Believe me, if the TP2 had the specs of the HD2 (minus the 4.3" screen, the TP2 is big enough already), the phone would sell like hot cakes! Honestly, what kind of phone would you rather have?
528MHz processor and 256MB of RAM
or
1GHz processor and 512MB of RAM
Oh yeah, name calling really helped you win this argument.
EDIT: Just for fun, I took a look at their products. Listen to this.
WindowsHD.com said:
Notice: All ROMs are free. You are paying for our time to unlock and customize your mobile phone. We do not charge for any software. You are paying a one time, very cheap service charge. Each ROM upgrade can take 6 to 8 hours after free software is installed. MS Office is included with all upgrades. We try and make each mobile phone upgrade unique so no other person has the same look.
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I've done ROM upgrades on my Wing (201MHz processor and 64MB of RAM) and it took all of 10 minutes to flash the ROM. The Wing had less than half of the processor and a FRACTION of the RAM that the TP2 has and I had the phone up and running in less than 1 hour. Also, MS Office comes with all Windows Mobile phones.
i'm not going to flame you but i will offer some advice. The next time you get a shiny new HTC device come to XDA and look around first (search is your best friend here) if you want to mod it. if you can't find what you're looking for request it, the people here are more than willing to help you out. there are plenty of tutorials and instructions here so that you won't screw up your device if you follow them.
If you're happy with what you paid for thats great!
Bottom line:
1. Never trust anyone with a weak handshake.
2. Don't eat the worm in a tequila bottle.
3. Never give out your IMEI number.
4. NEVER, NEVER Pay for something that is available for free.
(unless you want to donate for people's hard work here)
A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
I hope I will be forgiven for a bit of an off-topic here, but since there is much, much comparison between iPhone and Nexus, and selling models of both phones differ so much, here it is:
Analyst Says iPhone Users Experiencing Stockholm Syndrome
A bizarre report from Strand Consult, an analyst firm in Denmark, has likened the relationship iPhone users have with their iPhone to Stockholm Syndrome:
When we examine the iPhone users’ arguments defending the iPhone, it reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome – a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.
….Below is a selection of some of the arguments that various hard-core iPhone fanatics have been using since the iPhone initially launched:
1. The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: What do you need 3G for? You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway, 3G is not particularly widespread, so this is not a problem.
2. The phone cannot send MMS: There is no need to send MMSs, hardly anybody sends MMSs.
3. You cannot forward a SMS: This is a function that hardly anybody uses and was therefore not included in the first iPhones.
4. The phone has a poor camera: The built-in camera is perfectly adequate and the iPhone takes fantastic photos with its camera.
The report lists 20 iPhone flaws and purported defenses by iPhone owners and comes to the conclusion that the real reason for the popularity of the iPhone is because the people that bought one will go to great lengths to justify their purchase, even lying to others:
In reality the iPhone is surrounded by a multitude of people, media and companies that are happy to bend the truth to defend the product they have purchased from Apple.
Personally, I find the whole idea that that the iPhone is holding me against my will preposterous. I mean, sure, I signed a two-year contract that I really didn’t want, but it’s not like I’m stuck in some kind of walled garden or anything. In a real hostage situation, the hostage taker would control what you see and hear, and it’s not like that with Apple, right? And there’s no one demanding money, like, say $175, to free me from the iPhone or the two-year contract. Nope, I love my captor, I mean, my iPhone.
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Original: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/12/13/analyst-says-iphone-users-experiencing-stockholm-syndrome/
DISCLAIMER: This is for laughs and giggles only, by reading this you agree that you are not an apple fanboy and will take this article not as means to defend The Sacred Apple, but as a funny anecdote. Chronic flamers need not bother.
This is actually pretty funny. The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
galaxys said:
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
spidermonkeyrob said:
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
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Lol good one there
faria said:
Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
I just got done reading the article from the link. This reminds me of this arguement I had with an iphone user on youtube. I was explaining how the N1 was a better phone overall to him and this was one of his responses to one of my comments. I remember it like it was yesterday. The guy was an asshole too.
"Why would I need a voice-to-text feature when I can type XXX words every minute???"
*sarcasm* I would love to see this guy work his fingers that fast as his car is driving off a cliff. Dont text and drive kids.
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
spidermonkeyrob said:
The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
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Yeah, locked for $700.
This article touched on SO many good points about how Apple has changed their tune on tons of different features. My favorites include...
-MMS, not needed because you can use email (but the email client will resize your images to VGA/MMS quality anyway, fixed in 4.0).
-Apps/App Store, web apps are the future!
-Multitasking, unnecessary and excluded to improve stability, then push notifications were satisfactory, now multitasking is being added in 4.0.
-3G, drains way too much battery life so it's not needed...until we release another phone to sell you next year.
But my favorite of them all? PRICE. The original 8gb, EDGE-only iPhone sold for $599 on a two-year contract.
crazy talk said:
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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...unless they're talking about Windows Mobile. Really, I don't care what your background is. 6.5 and below is absolute garbage, lest HTC and everyone else wouldn't be trying to cover it with different UI layers, nor Microsoft ditching the framework altogether for Windows Phone 7.
We are all fan boys to a certain extent. I'm sure many of you (including me) will defend the nexus against some other device. We might have different limits, but the behavior is the same in every one of us.
Lets be realistic, we love our devices no matter what choice we made.
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
Yeah, I do the same with my Nexus One :
For some reason I can't send MMS, but hey, who needs MMS anyway ?
Games definitely sucks compared to what you have on an iPhone... but you don't buy a phone to play games, do you ?
Sound quality sucks... but I have a DAP so i don't listen to music on my Nexus One.
The screen is almost unusable in direct sunlight... but I almost always use it indoors.
The truth is, once you bought an expensive device, either you don't like it and you return it, or you like it enough to keep it and you start convincing yourself that it doesn't have any flaws, or that its flaws are not really important.
And I do like my N1 more than enough to forget its flaws =)
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The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
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You'd better believe the psychologists, at least some of them might know your nature more than you know yourself. Here is one that explains this point, for example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
So the point is that we should have less choice so we can be happy with the only thing we have? "Yeah, right!"
This doesn't make any sense to me. While he might be right, i do believe in being able to choose.
Come on guys, we all know Apple rules. Just check out this latest article from Gizmodo (lol):
http://gizmodo.com/5545711/dear-steve-has-google-leapfrogged-apple
Dear Steve, Has Google Leapfrogged Apple?
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Here's what Steve Jobs thinks of our thoughts of Google leapfrogging Apple:
Dear Steve,
Have you read this Gizmodo article? What are your thoughts on it? Do you believe Google is surpassing you guys or do you believe something different? What do you plan on doing if Google is surpassing Apple?
Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Brian
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Steve Jobs wrote:
Not a chance.
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The "leapfrogged Apple" article is actually pretty good; check it out here:
http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
The only thing worse than the supposed Apply fanbois (which to be honest I don't really notice) are the Apple hatebois. I really don't understand what all the hate towards the iPhone (and now iPad) is about. I think it's a pretty good product, personally.
I'd much rather see people with iPhones than BlackBerry's. Nothing annoys me more than being "out of the loop" because everyone I know uses BBM almost exclusively for communications. If RIM made phones that I actually wanted to use it wouldn't be such a problem, but as it stands they lock everyone in with services like that and then produce lackluster consumer products. Rumor has it that iPhone OS 4 will have iChat functionality built in, which likely means native Google Talk support!
Google Talk good, BBM bad.
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Omg, the wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started =)
It's just a funny article. You don't see nexus fans flame over Onion News' video of "google whispering ads to your ear". If you can't take the sarcasm, maybe there is a reason why you're so defensive =)
The wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started? Someone says they think a product is decent and to you its a declaration of war? I think that's the problem. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You either have to agree to hate Apple, or risk being branded a mindless drone caught in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Yeah, I agree =) I guess that puts me in the middle ground.
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
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Nice to see you too! I m getting a Desire in the end of the month but my love for windows mobile will never end.
to everyone else;
I like the I-phone very much,but hate when a company wants to tell me what is best for me or what i can or cannot do.In short i hate arrogant people.
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
faria said:
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
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Yeah, I think you hit the spot there. It may actually have nothing to do with the device itself, it's the attitude and the ignorance. You'd think that spending $500+ for a phone, people would research and educate themselves a bit about the alternatives, pros and cons.. yet iphone users (I'm sorry, it's true) very often do not. The reasons for that are a separate topic. Mostly, the salesguy at AT&T (or coworker/friend/media) just told them it's the best, so it must be the best.
It'd be hard to find nexus one user who didn't make any research before buying it. Maybe that's why they didn't sell as many . I betcha vast majority of nexus users know all about Nexus' pros and cons.
Imo, that is the main reason for all this fighting. iPhone itself just got caught in the middle.
I apologize for making another "I'm mad at Samsung for..." thread, but after trying for the past hours to get the JI5 update and failing, I'm a bit angrier than I usually am and want to hurt Samsung somewhere where they will feel it while not going to extremes like trying to organize a class action suit.
Ever since the Galaxy S line came out they really haven't done much to support it except release 3 buggy updates for three of the phones and completely ignore the one that's been out in the States for the longest (until the "made you look" event of today), yet they're so eager to show off that Galaxy Tab that they want everyone to be interested in and buy next month. I suggest simply spreading the word to everyone that no one should but that thing until they at least get their house in order and get the Galaxy S line up to the basic functionality they should have had out of the box. Spread the word that they apparently can't support the products they release and that nobody should touch those things until they can prove they are going to stand behind the products they want us to spend our hard earned money on.
Before some of you start flaming me, I do very well know this is a forum for people who mod their phones and have no intention of staying stock. I mod my phones too. Even with the fixes I've flashed I still have issues with GPS and the phone resetting. I appreciate everything the community has done to help make these phones better and I whole heartedly thank them for doing so, but at the same time there's a whole company with a division of people getting paid to do this that hasn't been able to supply us with one good fix after nearly 3 months time. It's time we should make every potential customer aware of that.
I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
That's understandable, personally I could care less about being able to make calls on tablet. It's not like you would be able to take calls on both your cell phone and the tablet. And I sure wouldn't care for having another phone number.
I love my iPad btw!
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I'm boycotting the U.S. release of the Galaxy Tab, but only because I find the fact that all 4 U.S. carriers disabling the phone functions of the thing (the international version won't have this limitation) as a hugely retarded move.
I'm not interested in carrying around 2 huge slabs-o-touchscreen all the darn time. If I were I'd be an iDiot and worship Steve Jobs.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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To be honest I am not surprised they are disabling the calling feature. In fact I would be surprised if they didn't.
I mean I for one wouldn't want to stop using my vibrant to use that giant tablet.
Also no matter what it will have wifi so it can be more like a laptop on the go and playing games on it will be awesome from the looks of it.
Well if they are just disabling the feature then that means the hardware to make calls is still built in so someone could root it and make calls anyway. But I'm still not getting one cause it'll be just like my phone. Tablets are a median of a phone and a notebook but nowadays the Ipad is the best out.
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Can't say I'm feeling pouty and petulant about Samsung in general, but I crossed four Tabs off my Xmas list when they announced the phone functionality was disabled.
As for the frequent comments about the Tab being too large to use as a phone, I use my phone as a speakerphone most of the time, and Bluetooth headsets put the final nail in the coffin for that argument.
I really doubt the S Tab will sell much anyway.
Smaller screen than the iPad, lower resolution, considerably worse battery life, for almost the same price....
Plus, given our experience with Samsung, it will probably not be upgraded to Gingerbread, which according to Google is the first version of Android actually meant for tablets.
Who in their right mind will buy the Tab?
What made me mad is they have more accessories slated for that thing than the very phones they already have out.
Docks, keyboards and all kinds of goodies. Oh yeah they all plug into the bottom of the Tab not the top like our retarded phones.
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Why would you carry it around if you can't use it as a phone?
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Exactly!
Since it's functionally crippled compared to it's European counterpart I don't plan on carrying one around.
It's an interesting device, and will probably have a modicum of success, but the deliberate lockdown of an existing feature is one that makes me uninterested in it.
Given that it's carrier unsubsidized pricing internationally is likely going to make it more expensive than the iPad, if I were to develop an interest in an Android tablet/mid that didn't support phone functions, I'd just SPEND LESS MONEY on a comparable 7" tablet that doesn't have phone functions. There are several...
Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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Huge flaw with Samsung tablet, not sure if mentioned
At the moment pretty much every App available doesn't even support the tablets 1024x600 resolution so they will be to small for the screen or will stretch and look like crap.
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I can make everything in an app support that higher res, and I font even consider myself a dev... More of a file mover.. But there are tutorials and some apps are already compatible...
Remember when donut and froyo came out not all apps were compatible.. Some apps dont work on donut now...
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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WTF does this have to do with the Vibrant? Oh, can all of you stop blaming everything on Samsung? It seems like only half the people on this forum has sense and understands that T-Mobile makes the final call on updates.
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Dude, you are drawn to these threads like a fly is to sh!t!
T-Mobile has its problems, but what about the rest of the companies carrying the Galaxy S? Have any released Froyo, or successful compass fixes?
No? Must be a worldwide carrier conspiracy to make Samsung look bad, by delaying fixes and OS upgrades.....
No, Samsung's track records with product support just sucks. That's why some are pissed.
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Wait a second, let me get this straight. You are upset because an unofficial, probably beta quality firmware wasn't available properly through a piece of software that hasn't been released to the US market yet?
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Nice troll, since I don't believe you are actually as stupid as you're trying to get us to believe.
No, we're all pissed off about Samsung's crappy support. I bought a phone with a GPS built in. I can't use my GPS because it doesn't work.
A little fact which has been repeatedly explained to you. So either you choose to ignore it so you can troll more, or you have major issues with reading comprehension, take your pick.
And, as I said elsewhere, no one forced you to bring your fanboi self into this thread.
I'll hold out for MOTO or HTC
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That's great, let's organize a boycott of something that 99.9% of people have no plan to purchase in the first place. In other words, we're going to have to seek out people who want to buy the Tab and then dissuade them. Personally, I think I won't.
psshh, who is gonna buy that over sized phone anyway, too big for been a phone, too small for been a tablet
First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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Just sayin...
My real penis is huge, as well.
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First of all, i have an Evo...before anyone says apple fanboy. Call me whatever you would like, however. So anyways, why do you guys hate on apple so much? They have way better products than anyone out there.
Take for example..motorola xoom. 800$ for dual core tablet. Se? 800? Why not just buy a really good laptop? The ipad 2 starts out at 499, for 16gb. It has a dual core chip, two cameras..anything you would want from a tablet computer. Granted it does run Apple's software, but you seriously can't hate on a device that is way better than any out there.
The pricing is better.
The product is better.
The aftermarket is better.
The design is better.
The battery life is WAY better.
And before someone says, you will just have to replace it in a year..so what? You have to replace anything within a year. One month after you buy something (especially on verizon!) you are already outdated. You have (Motorola, Samsung, Rim, and god knows who else making all these tablets). At least you have one company only making one design a year. They update their technology, and they make it good. Android phones get a new one every freaking month, and they are all looking the same. When you have different companies making different stuff, they shouldn't look the same. Can you say copycat much?
Get over yourselves.
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I don't know why would set yourself up to get flamed on this because you know its gonna happen, but whatever floats your boat. I'm not gonna hate on you for liking Apple but I do think that you missed a few things.
-Android is more customizable since it is open source.
-The majority of Apples product line is not better priced than its competitor's.
-The specs on Apples stuff becomes outdated very quickly, many times you can buy something non-apple cheaper that is spec wise a lot better and it won't cost your near as much.
The only things that I can agree with you on is that yes Apple design is better, and also the support for their products is much better, but with a significant price difference usually.
I think it really comes down to preference in the end. IMHO people fall in love with Apple products because they are easier to use, there is not a lot of complication in doing some things. IOS vs. Android, you have the people who want to be able to have a smartphone and dig the ease of things in IOS, then you have Android which is more complicated but you can do a lot more with it. So you could call the IPhone the smartphone for "dummies" and then Android is for the more tech advanced crowd that likes to customize everything to how they want it. I am not trying to step on anyone here but, that is just how I see it and I think many others would agree.
PS- I am not here to argue about which is better, so if your gonna start trying to flame on me don't expect another post from me.
What's with all these random threads?
****, you're cluttering up the forums!
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What a snorefest. I hope you guys have fun arguing the same **** over and over.
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Mods, please close this thread so the troll can stop eating.
I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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I am not trolling, i am pointing out good issues. I am sorry that you are such a android fanboy where you cannot take criticism and realize when you are wrong.
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not true.. because pricing has not officially announced.
I don't get why people "hate" anything product related. If you don't want it, don't buy it. Saying anything sucks without owning one for a long period of time is just people being petty, immature, and possibly jealous.
It's one thing to be brand loyal, but don't be a moron about it. Think about if everything were the same. It would suck. The fact that there are different brands and items is a good thing. We should want more diversity, not less.
I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business. It doesn't appeal to me. They lie about the competition, present the worst case scenario as the norm, lock everything down, and charge a premium for cosmetic differences.
I could buy a Mac Pro laptop for $1200 or I could buy an Asus laptop with the same specs PLUS an iPad or Galaxy Tab for the same price. It's not worth it to me to have an aluminum case and a slightly better fit and finish. For some folks it is worth it. People buy Mercedes and BMW and that's their business. I just don't like the implication that unless you buy into their closed ecosystem you are stuck with something that is falling apart and complete garbage. There's always something in between the bargain basement crap and the fancy boutique offering.
Xoom has a bit higher specs than the iPad 2 but yeah, it's a bit overpriced. The thing is, it's not just Apple that prices high when something is new. The Viewsonic G-Tablet has almost identical specs to the iPad 2 and it's $400. As the market heats up there should be plenty of $500 tablets.
And they *will* do more to replace a laptop. They run all kinds of apps from any app store, not only the Apple or Google or whoever approved store. They don't block competing tech like Flash which is used on a ton of web apps. Not everyone wants to sacrifice capability just so things are idiot-simple.
This is the only time when I really get annoyed at Apple. They make certain simple things sound so hard in order to sell their products. Rather than spending 15 minutes to learn valuable computer skills, they'll just take away options and charge you for the privilege. Screw that. Paying extra so I don't have to think is not a good thing and the idea that it is a good thing irritates the crap out of me. People are way too eager to open their wallets to avoid using their brains as it is. On a personal level that annoys me.
If you think I'm too stupid to decide what apps to install or what kinds of things I want to run on the devices I can buy, then you can do without my stupid money.
Anyway that's all personal ranting. There's always a market for people with more cash than time or effort. It's legit. It's just not the only way to look at things and it's not for me. I like to bargain shop, compare features/specs, and go for bang to buck ratio. That's just not usually an option with Apple.
Besides all of my personal preferences, I don't really give a crap where other people spend their money. As long as there are options that suit me better I am happy. Tech geeks can argue about why they make the choices they do all day. It's our hobby to research and compare so we stand behind our decisions. It can get irrational and I'm no better. In the end it's just consumer electronics made by greedy corporations and they will probably all gain sentience and kill us all anyway.
^ This guy
Couldn't have said it better
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I don't really *hate* Apple. I just don't like the way they do business.
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This. Although I am posting this from one of my 2 macbook pros. As a designer, I can't get used to Windows, but the above applies to the rest of their business.
Digging deep in my fail bank today. These threads are getting a little crazy today.
****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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****tards need to quit starting threads just to start ****.
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I agree with this. Let's not forget this is an Evo forum, for discussion of the Evo. Let's not clutter it up with threads of non-relevant devices. There's an off-topic thread if you want to do that.
Wow, so silly. You are a troll, speaking in absolutes, and without facts.
The xoom 32gb wifi + 3g that is 800 has a slightly larger screen, and is upgradeable to 4g for no additional cost.
The ipad2 32gb wifi + 3g is 730.
If you are arguing options, that is one thing, but it doesn't make sense to compare different storage sizes and complain about the price difference.
If you took 4g out of the picture, the xoom 32gb would be cheaper than 800. Both are dual core. They are both simarly speced and priced products.
Since you asked, yes Apple has good products and eco systems. What I personally don't like are their practices which are worse than anything Microsoft ever done.
I hate Apple because they act as though customers are lucky to be holding one of their products in their hand instead of the company feeling lucky that they have the customer.
The only thing that apple does that I'd like to see other manufacturers do themselves is make near-perfect hardware. The build quality of apple products is without rival and I wish HTC would attempt to come close to that.
No more ASUS for me
Never posted before, but what a silly post. Perhaps Microsoft should not develop any further versions of windows as it will 'harm' their past users? Perhaps no-one should develop any new technology as some will be left behind, perhaps we should have stuck to bows and arrows? It is well known that Android is a more fragmented eco system than Apple. Perhaps you should have thought about this more and researched your purchase a little better. You sound more suited to Apple quite honestly, fanboy in the making.
Meh. Whatever. Have fun with Apple. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Yes, i opened the thread believing it contained something positive regarding Asus and Google. Instead i was rewarded with petty drivel.
If you're looking for somebody to talk you out of it (which you must be, you wouldn't have made a post otherwise), don't bother looking. We don't need you to stay. Go ahead and jump.
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just lou said:
It's tough to take anyone serious that turns goodbye into "good by".
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Lol...funny i was thinking something similar. Funny thread.
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to me the TF was a "good buy"
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had to thank that 1 lol
i love my TF ICS or not
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
I find it funny about his complaints of Asus/Android. It's not a flaw of Android by any means.
Should Android stop releasing operating systems? No! They have nothing to do with hardware. Their goal is to develop competent software with reasonable releases, and they do that.
This intermediate time of merging the software onto the hardware? Yes, it is annoying, but it's expected. Android releases their software at the same time to EVERYONE. It takes time to develop the OS for a product. This time exists in Apple products as well most likely, but Apple has the fortunate benefit of not releasing the software until AFTER it has been fitted for the limited number of devices they control, because they are both a hardware AND software company.
Give it time. ICS will be here eventually. I'm patient. In the meantime, I will keep running paulbrennan's build and enjoy what we already have.
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I, for one, have had enough with Android and Google. Android/Google are forever building new versions of code that manufacturing companies can not keep up with.
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And what do you think, other developers do what? Apple does the same (no wonder the old iPhones aren't supported by iOS4 and 5), just like Microsoft, Samsung, Nokia, etcetera.
New codebase is the key to the future - with new functions built in, it can be a more widespread generic base, where manufacturers have less to modify to make their own taste. And manufacturers aren't able to keep up? Seriously, if they only made a device tree, and sent it to Cyanogen Team with a few test devices, they'd have more profit than ever. They could keep up, and they are not willing to do so because then the newer devices wouldn't sell. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, etc.
Manufacturer's are not going to spend profits on older products, they already got your money! Why is Google forever coming up with new versions? Android is in developement and always trying to be like Apple. I am an android developer and thought I would be happy with developing for 50% of the market users. 50% of the market users but in the corporate world the ratio is much different.
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The Android Market has millions of devices connected (I recall someone saying over 300million). So to target only the 50%, you'd have to make an application what is useful for almost everyone. Then count with the other devs who thought about the same, and you'll drop below 20% in the most optimistic case. You can never reach 50% if you're not a name already (like EA Games, Gameloft, and other huge companies). Or if you can't afford heavy marketing, adverts, etc.
Companies that provide employees with phones and tablets is where Apple rules. Why is that? Apple products are just better. They are not cheap plastic, creaky things where every one if different and not hardly one is on the same version. I do not have an iPhone because I refuse to pay carrier's pricing but all I want from a phone is phone calls, gps, access to emails, and some web browsing.
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WRONG. Companies buy iPhones for their employees because they have contracts with a given carrier. They get them in huge numbers for cheap, because Apple is pushing them (the carriers). They get huge bonuses just because that, not to talk about a lot bigger user base.
Apple things don't rule. They are made of the same plastic, metal, and other parts (ICs, SoCs, etc), as 99% of these are manufactured in China, even assembled in China! There was a picture, where it showed that the same factory was producing iPhones on a line, and next to it were cheap tablets and phones and mp4 players, and they were using the same material, electronics, etc.
At Apple, Samsung, HTC, LG, Motorola, and so on, you're paying for the brand - actually, some of the Chinese stuff can be better for half the price. Justsayin'
Phones are not game systems or video players - I am not going to watch a full length movie on a 4" screen.
Tablets on the other hand might be video players and I might play a game and I certainly will surf the web and read emails.
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Phones aren't, you're right, but when you're on the bus for 30mins, sitting in a line for the dentist, and so on, you can't have your xbox, ps3, wii with you. But you have your phone. So it's a fine time to watch a short movie (an episode of some series, etc), or play something funny (Angry Birds for an example).
Tablets are the same, except bigger, and you can use them as a smaller form PC or laptop.
I do not have an iPAD because I thought android was better. It is not and is always trying to one up Apple but Google can not even catch up to Apple nevermind get ahead of them.
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Then you think wrong. Both sides have their own pros and cons, but Google is definitely ruling Apple with Android, for the first time. There were more Android phone activations just during the holidays, than iPhone sales during a YEAR.
I had high hopes for ICS but doubt it will ever come on h/w that I already own - thanks ASUS, but I understand. Why no ICS yet? Because ASUS is working on their next device as they try to make a better product than Apple.
Interesting, first you say Google shouldn't make updates, now you cry for not getting one?
If ASUS cant take google code and get it ported into a device and not have problems then why are they selling the product. The prime GPS stinks but they continue to sell them, ASUS fixed the problem by repacking the PRIME but not retrofitting the nonworking Primes. We pay for their development, they are not looking back - profits comes from new sales.
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Asus won't release ICS until they get enough sales of the Prime first. You DID NOT pay for their development, there was no word about providing further updates in the future (there was a part, where it said, that Asus MAY send updates) for sure in the contract, you simply purchased the device, with the actual software on it. About Prime problems, yes, it's a concern they won't retrofit the problematic ones, but I'm sure they will come around that sooner or later.
I am saving for an iPAD and will keep the Android toys around for the kids. ASUS finally made me see the light.
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Okay then Apple boy. All of your sentences were just words from someone's mouth who bought an Asus Transformer expecting iPad features. I can tell you for sure: YOU WON'T GET THEM. This is not frikken Apple, this is ANDROID. Learn the difference between an open source, community driven operation system, and a closed source licensed and overpriced product.
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It's obvious that Android wasn't made for you. You people have to understand just some people think they like something but really don't. Try out apple, see how restricting they are. Maybe you will see their "light"
just to say.........if Apple was the bomb then why do people feel the need to jailbreak.........i think the term says it all. Freedom over the system to change what they want to try make it better ( sounds familiar ).......and get free **** of course (coughfilesharecough get it right up you )
just outta curiosity.........whys the logo got a mouldy half eaten granny smith on it anyway rather than a fully glorious golden delicious?
hmmm
Go for Apple, sell your transformer and give it a shot.
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I'll take that tablet off Ur hands since u don't want it..........
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I was about to post that. It might be nvflashable, which is more than you can say about mine
His ratio of posts is like 20-1 whining about ICS not being here to actual non-ICS posts..lol
I guess he bought the TF101 expecting it to be ICS any day, if you purchase an item with above reasonable expectations, when you get disappointed it is your own fault.
Lesson? Study the device you purchase better before you purchase next time.
LOL and after getting reamed for such a thoughtless post he edited it to remove all the thoughtlessness haha
Probably all talk. He will keep the tablet I'm sure.
2011CorvetteZR1 said:
No more ASUS for me
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I remember reading your post saying you own that car. You don't need the money.
So is your tf nvflash capable and how high does it clock ?
Mine has bad light bleed etc and well a swap or upgrade would be nice
Then you can sell and buy a nice shiny new ipad 2s
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