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? iphone 3gs compass like for wm 6.1 ?

can anyone make such app - or - anyone any clue were to get a compass for our win mobiles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKvW89Q7Z8

As a wm power user, you should know that a compass is hardware, not software

Fitz said:
As a wm power user, you should know that a compass is hardware, not software
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yea i thought about the gsensor aint that enough for te hardware part

Gsensors don't always point north...

well if u no of any compass's i can try via gps send me the site but would be beter if we got one like the assphone

Most higher end GPS units have "electronic" compasses. It is not just something that can be enabled through software, there needs to be a hardware component as well.
As a side note, my garmin vista Hcx has an electronic compass and it makes geocaching so nice

Like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524294
Go to the link in the first post.

you may like this
http://htcdriver.com/index.php?page=richesse-GPS
and i also have such feature on my mapking GPS app

Any GPS app for windows mobile has a "Compass" by seeing which way you are moving and comparing that to north. A real compass can be stationary and point north more accurately. This is a hardware feature that no WM phones have. Maybe the Touch Pro 3 will have it.

Yeah, buy a real compass buddy. Its more accurately and never run out of battery and you never fear of losing GPS signal.
Oh, btw, I do have a real compass. and never use it.

Tomtom, GPS cycle, any navigation software would have a compass.
If that doesn't satisfy can always use the good old, sun rises in the east and sets in the west strategy. or go watch a few eps of Man vs Wild or survivor man and they'll show you how to find the direction.

rungvang said:
Oh, btw, I do have a real compass. and never use it.
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Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?

The sun sets in the west and rises in the east. There's your compass.

Don't you guys sleep facing the north? After the sun has set, how do you align your salt and pepper accurately? The hardware component is a magnetometer, pigeons have them, get a pigeon!

No sorry guys, a compass can be usefuill for a lot of Apps like navigation or Games, and the IPhone ist the most powerfull mobile divice ever build compared with a stabil and smooth operating system and a gigantic and cheap Appstore with 50.000 Apps.
And half of the Apps here are just wannabe iphone-Apps.
Thats fact, and sorry that i must tell you the truth : Windows Mobile is ulgy, slow and not state of the Art.
this is a littel preview to demonstrate you the Power of the "old" iPhone 3G (the brandnew 3Gs is getting much bette/faster and has a graphics chipset similar to xBox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDDPAmZd5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3TeX4OCfLc

dickenz said:
Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?
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I think lot's of people, of which you are probably one of them, don't have a clue to the purpose of the compass feature several new phones have. Apple clearly wouldn't emphasize on this feature if it were only useful to tell you where north and south are relatively to your location.
More and more apps are becoming available, which give you a view through the camera of your device, overlaying certain information, such as where the nearest ATM is, where you can find a particular shop, etc. (this technique is called Augmented Reality and it really doesn't work as good without a compass, as with a compass). There are a dozen apps available for Android at the moment using the build-in compass. That's where you need such a piece of hardware for.

Yes,
While going hunting I always take my compass, cell phone, gps, SUV, remington gun and a small atomic device...
You only need a compass if you are in the army. For night time LEARN the sky and if you get lost in the woods???during the day and need to go north??? for some reason than an application on a cellphone is the least of your problems

dickenz said:
Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?
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Obviously you weren't geocaching yet . In the forest it can be quite difficult to say where the sun is (especially if the weather isn't that good), so a "real" compass could be really helpful. There are also a lot of other things a "real" compass is good for.
As far as I know the HTC Magic (running Android) has got one, hasn't it?
And please stop this "Iphone vs. WM" talk, I think it was covered so many times in so many threads already ...
I don't understand these people claiming that their Iphone is so much better, but actually they are using a WM device and using forums for WM devices. That's quite strange, isn't it?. My suggestion: Get an Iphone and let us enjoy our WM devices please!

Compass

Guys
I got two Vibrants to replace two G1s.
The compass is all over the place.
You change the phone inclination and north moves to east! You move it again, and north moves to south!
The G1s are precise. You tilt the phone but the north stays at north.
I'm confused.
Are you guys seeing this issue?

I commented on this in another forum. The compass SUCKS BAD!!! It's horrible.
I believe that the GPS is also 2nd rate. It works well at faster speeds such as driving in a car, but when walking or running it's all over the place and VERY INACCURATE.

When I had the Evo, using Google Sky was 100% smooth and instant. On the Vibrant it's jerky and inaccurate. I'm guessing this is due to the compass issue? Hopefully it's a software/firmware issue.

Yeah, I noticed while using GPSstatus that the compass reacts very slowly to changes in orientation. Samsung has been touting their 6 axis motion sensor, but it seems to be inferior to other products from what I'm seeing.

I've herd a lot about this but mine is working perfectly, well better than my N1 anyway and racing games are easier to play on this phone also, mines response smoothly.
Is there anyone else that has one work good ?

I just used the NAV and it had me exiting at nearly every exit. It never pinpointed my location, It was always 0-100ft range and had to constantly reroute. I was on a major interstate (5 lane each way). G1 was much better but G1 did take an age to find my location initally.

Is it possible the orientation of the sensor is different in the Vibrant as compared to other android phones? I tried the compass after reading this thread on my vibrant and noticed that if you lay the phone flat horizontal and spin it, the compass doesn't do anything. Now if you start tilting the phone up and down, the compass starts spinning. It's acting almost like it is reading the wrong orientation from the sensor...

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I just used the NAV and it had me exiting at nearly every exit. It never pinpointed my location, It was always 0-100ft range and had to constantly reroute. I was on a major interstate (5 lane each way). G1 was much better but G1 did take an age to find my location initally.
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EXACTLY how mine was today when navigating for the first time. I was on the highway when I came close to the off ramp, the GPS thought that I exited off the highway. What gives? My G1 I had since the day it came out never did this.

I just did a little testing,
The compass does not work right in any application. I tried streetview (with compass mode), wikitude, google skymaps, layar, and a compass app...
The thing just wildly swings around and does not point in the right direction ever. I tried calibrating it several times and it didn't help. I don't have a case on my phone and my g1 seems to handle the task just fine in the same room.

I have the same problem. The compass does not work at all, and 'swings around wildly' is 100% accurate.
Man, this is upsetting.

Another vote for the compass being pretty much worthless. Found a thread at androidforums (androidforums com / samsung-galaxy-s/104872-gps-issues.html) saying that samsung is working on a software fix by next month. Given the issues I've also seen with the wildly innacurate GPS and signal bars, I'm hoping these are all fixable with a firmware update.
This is the best android phone tmo has seen (and will probably see) for a while, so I'm hoping it's all just software.

My compass has Parkinsons. Hope we can get an official comment from samsung or tmobile before our 14 days are up!
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If something isn't said within the next week, I'm returning the phone. It's unacceptable to have such hardware flaws like that.
I'm really hoping they come forward and something is said soon. I'd hate to lose this screen.

I just went to a few t-mobile stores today to try out their display models and compare the compass performance with my Vibrant. Every single Vibrant I tested in the stores had the same problem. I think either there was a ton of phones going out with bad compasses or the firmware is messed up and most people don't realize it because they don't use apps that utilize it.

unxconformed said:
I just went to a few t-mobile stores today to try out their display models and compare the compass performance with my Vibrant. Every single Vibrant I tested in the stores had the same problem. I think either there was a ton of phones going out with bad compasses or the firmware is messed up and most people don't realize it because they don't use apps that utilize it.
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I agree with you.
Anyway, isn't that weird that a big company like Samsung released a SMART phone with such big flaws?
I mean, compass and gps are pretty much useless. On a phone that is Android based, with Maps and all sorts of location aware apps, it really surprises me that NO ONE at Samsung USA or Tmobile found these problems before.
Think about it: it took me 30 minutes after I received my phones to realize something was not right. A TMobile engineer testing this phone should be able to find the problem, EASILY, in less than one day.
Amazing.
Anyway, I don't know if I can post URLs here, but if you go to
androidforums dot com/samsung-galaxy-s/104872-gps-issues.html
you will notice that this phone is presenting these problems for a couple of months now, all over Europe and Asia, and so far with no solution or official statement from the manufacturer.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I read somewhere on the i9000 forums that the compass reports NON-STANDARD figures. It only requires a software fix. Samsung confirmed this 'bug' and it should be staged for next firmware update (Hopefully)

I was doing a bit of poking around online and it does sound like Samsung's compass doesn't report it's values the same as the HTC units. I don't know if that is true or not, but you can download this app below and look at your compass output / accelerometer output and see the problem in real time.
http://mobilizycom.easycgi.com/dl/sensortest.html
When you run this app, look at the first 3 values for X, Y and Z. X represents your compass heading (ie direction pointing north, south, etc...) Y represents your pitch (angle from horizon in the vertical direction) Z represents your roll. To help visualize, think of your phone as a little airplane with the nose of the plane being the top of your phone (near usb port) and the wings being parallel with the screen surface.
What I noticed was that Y and Z report perfectly in real time and are accurate to represent my movements. X on the other hand is super delayed and after you make a move, you have to sit and wait for a while for the value to catch up to the actual heading. It also jumps around a bit and sometimes drifts away.
The next three values, a, b, and c are your accelerometer outputs.
I'm guessing the Y and Z values are calculated via the accelerometers and not the magnetometer, but it is very clear that the heading X is delayed, jumps around and in general is poor.
Try it for yourself if you'd like to confirm. I'd be interested in if some people had accuracy and response times on the X being the same as their Y and Z.

As much as I love xda, and 'the word' of people...
Could someone please post a link where Samsung actually said they're working on a fix for the Galaxy S compass problems (in Asia or otherwise)? This is a pretty expensive device, and these flaws are really unforgivable, if they are hardware-related (non-fixable).
The news of their knowledge / fixing of the problem is the deciding factor in me keeping this otherwise excellent device.

I meet with this problem too, double checked with my Hero, it's Vibrant's problem for sure.
I am wondering if Samsung will work on this bug.
Anybody has any idea about if I can return this phone because of this deficiency? I bought it from RadioShark and the 6 axis motion sensor is the only reason( I am a developer).

cnbuff410 said:
I meet with this problem too, double checked with my Hero, it's Vibrant's problem for sure.
I am wondering if Samsung will work on this bug.
Anybody has any idea about if I can return this phone because of this deficiency? I bought it from RadioShark and the 6 axis motion sensor is the only reason( I am a developer).
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I'm on hold with Samsung right now. I'm sure they'll feed me a line of bull****, but we'll see.
T-Mobile said that there is zero flexibility, outside of the Buyer's Remorse grace period. The CSR said that it's ultimately up to the retail manager, and that some stores are very flexible, especially for long-term customers, when it comes to defective devices.
Otherwise, I was told to be worried about the Buyer's Remorse period, and that if I had any doubts, I should return it so as to not be stuck with a $500+ device that does not function properly.
They also said that they've heard nothing from Samsung regarding the matter...

very short gps test with My Tracks

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...372,0.018947&z=16&iwloc=00048f225d8da9a32da25
on a very very clear day with the Vibrant in my cycling jersey pocket on my back.
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a few blips but its fairly close. but should be better. It's not unusable like some say.

It is unusable for some people, you happened to be able to use skyhook. If you were in the middle of nowhere that wouldnt help you.

Yea I used it also and it seems to be a bit off on the track
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Never been unusable for me either. Actually fairly accurate ill have to do a my tracks later....

Lol you guys sound like some of the customers I deal with everyday. These are consumer grade devices. If you want something accurate go buy a Trimble GPS device and spend the thousands of dollars it takes to acquire one. I think even with the hiccups, your tracks are pretty decent. This is a cellphone, not a true GPS device.
BTW I work for Garmin so with my background of GPS and how it works this is probably why the inaccuracies in your track do not bother me. One thing you have to understand there are so many factors that can play into why you might of had these spikes....Heavy tree coverage, cloud over cast, power lines, tall buildings etc...Signal multi-path can also play into these types of spikes. Not bashing, but I think it does a pretty good job for what it is.

Steeltippin said:
Lol you guys sound like some of the customers I deal with everyday. These are consumer grade devices. If you want something accurate go buy a Trimble GPS device and spend the thousands of dollars it takes to acquire one. I think even with the hiccups, your tracks are pretty decent. This is a cellphone, not a true GPS device.
BTW I work for Garmin so with my background of GPS and how it works this is probably why the inaccuracies in your track do not bother me. One thing you have to understand there are so many factors that can play into why you might of had these spikes....Heavy tree coverage, cloud over cast, power lines, tall buildings etc...Signal multi-path can also play into these types of spikes. Not bashing, but I think it does a pretty good job for what it is.
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Um I am sorry I disagree with you, with my first smart phone, the G1 took seconds to lock on to 4+ birds ... and my vibrant .. see's 10 and locks on to 1 .. and its not even the one with the strongest signal ... then there is an issue. I think that is what people are complaining about.
I agree .. if the true purpose of getting something is for GPS alone, then a Garmin etc .. is great.

aohmer said:
Um I am sorry I disagree with you, with my first smart phone, the G1 took seconds to lock on to 4+ birds ... and my vibrant .. see's 10 and locks on to 1 .. and its not even the one with the strongest signal ... then there is an issue. I think that is what people are complaining about.
I agree .. if the true purpose of getting something is for GPS alone, then a Garmin etc .. is great.
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The G1 had almost the same exact problem with the GPS when it was first released in October of 08. In the beginning of December, it was updated OTA and it was fixed completely. The update for the Vibrant is coming this month, have faith.

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Skyhook is not GPS. Period.

scooterman said:
a few blips but its fairly close. ...ore it a 7/10, usable, but far from the best.
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The release notes for the new Obsidian 2.2 ROM from TW says the GPS is "very accurate". I'm assuming it's got the real 2.2 drivers and SW.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the JI6 and 2.2 GPS accuracy.
I've definitely had issues with significant inaccuracy using the Vibrant GPS for driving. It's usually fine, but sometimes it goes into rapid recalculations due to miscalculating my location on nearby streets. It's can be quite annoying if you're depending on it. I've used several standalone GPS units over the years and haven't seen this behavior before. In some ways the Vibrant GPS is better than my current standalone unit, but this inconsistent accuracy is a significant flaw.
I'm hoping 2.2 will include some improvements.

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The release notes for the new Obsidian 2.2 ROM from TW says the GPS is "very accurate". I'm assuming it's got the real 2.2 drivers and SW.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the JI6 and 2.2 GPS accuracy.
I've definitely had issues with significant inaccuracy using the Vibrant GPS for driving. It's usually fine, but sometimes it goes into rapid recalculations due to miscalculating my location on nearby streets. It's can be quite annoying if you're depending on it. I've used several standalone GPS units over the years and haven't seen this behavior before. In some ways the Vibrant GPS is better than my current standalone unit, but this inconsistent accuracy is a significant flaw.
I'm hoping 2.2 will include some improvements.
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Although GPS test reports an accuracy of 6-10 yards roughly, once I start Maps, the accuracy varies on a much wider range. Driving in big city is not much fun when you could be anywhere within a 200 yard range.

Thinking of switching to G2 from Vibrant; how is the GPS/Compass?

Hey G2'ers, I've got a question: how well does your GPS work?
I (and the wife) currently own Samsung Vibrants, which are great devices save for the woeful GPS and compass performance. Turns out this is kind of a big deal; google nav completely flakes out in cities or at stop lights, and I find myself horribly frustrated with it. As a point of comparison, I find that device much worse than the GPS on my old Nokia N95 or iPhone 3G.
I'd love to know how the GPS on the G2 holds up; does it get a lock quickly? Is it accurate when recording tracks? Does google nav's arrow point in the correct direction when you're stationary? Does sky maps work?
Especially awesome would be opinions from anybody who's used both devices.
Thanks!

I have both devices. Suffered through some of the woes on the Vibrant with the GPS, locating fixes. Froyo on the Vibrant seems to fix some of the issues but truth be told, I still have had GPS issues. On the G2, I have not used tracks but I have used GPS a bit like "places" and "maps". Both seem to get locks very quickly compared to the Vibrant. The external quality of the G2 seems better at a subjective level to me since it feels "metal-ly" and the Vibrant while slick looking still feels kinda plastic.
The main issue for me was rooting and getting the latest updates. The Vibrant took awhile to get some ROMs going with Froyo and after loading a few different ones, it still seems a work in progress. The G2 comes with a "vanilla" look but they load these applications which for some reason they think I would want. There are ways to remove or disable them without getting root.
All in all, I like the G2 for its "heft" and feel in my hand. The G2 feels like you are holding something and its physically a beautiful phone to me. The Vibrant is all glossy and plastic looking. Both phones are nice. Given the choice, I would take the G2 since its been rooted permanently. I would choose the Vibrant for other reasons like a simple root path; but Froyo has taken way too long and I got tired of waiting.
I'm not convinced battery life is much better on either; but on the G2, I've been running JuiceDefender Ultimate and I get decent battery life on the regular battery. On the Vibrant with Froyo it seemed the battery just drained and I think there are processes running when the handset is in standby which drain the battery IMO.
Final analysis for me is what phone I feel the most comfortable using. I like the G2 for many reasons and have given the Vibrant to my daughter as her first touch screen phone. She likes lots of games and the display and the Vibrant will hold bunches of stuff.
I can't help with the final decision because its yours.

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I have both devices. Suffered through some of the woes on the Vibrant with the GPS, locating fixes. Froyo on the Vibrant seems to fix some of the issues but truth be told, I still have had GPS issues. On the G2, I have not used tracks but I have used GPS a bit like "places" and "maps". Both seem to get locks very quickly compared to the Vibrant. The external quality of the G2 seems better at a subjective level to me since it feels "metal-ly" and the Vibrant while slick looking still feels kinda plastic.
The main issue for me was rooting and getting the latest updates. The Vibrant took awhile to get some ROMs going with Froyo and after loading a few different ones, it still seems a work in progress. The G2 comes with a "vanilla" look but they load these applications which for some reason they think I would want. There are ways to remove or disable them without getting root.
All in all, I like the G2 for its "heft" and feel in my hand. The G2 feels like you are holding something and its physically a beautiful phone to me. The Vibrant is all glossy and plastic looking. Both phones are nice. Given the choice, I would take the G2 since its been rooted permanently. I would choose the Vibrant for other reasons like a simple root path; but Froyo has taken way too long and I got tired of waiting.
I'm not convinced battery life is much better on either; but on the G2, I've been running JuiceDefender Ultimate and I get decent battery life on the regular battery. On the Vibrant with Froyo it seemed the battery just drained and I think there are processes running when the handset is in standby which drain the battery IMO.
Final analysis for me is what phone I feel the most comfortable using. I like the G2 for many reasons and have given the Vibrant to my daughter as her first touch screen phone. She likes lots of games and the display and the Vibrant will hold bunches of stuff.
I can't help with the final decision because its yours.
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Awesome, thanks for the input.
The slow pace of progress on the Vibrant is also a cause of concern for me. Even though the G2 has suffered in getting root working initially, the fact that it's an HTC device seems to be radically speeding up progress now that it's been rooted. The unfortunate lack of open source drivers for some key components in the Vibrant means that, at least for a while, a pure AOSP-based release is off the table, and waiting for Samsung is a real downer.
Now all that said, I really love the Vibrant's form factor and display. I've held a demo G2 and it feels great, but it's a bit on the clunky side for me. I know I'd be OK with it, it's just not exactly what I want; if I could have the G2's guts in the Vibrant's form factor (and with the Vibrant's display!) I'd be all over it
Ultimately, all that said, a working *good* GPS and compass are going to be the deciding factors for me though. I just rely on that stuff too much to be happy with the performance I see from the Vibrant.

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Does google nav's arrow point in the correct direction when you're stationary? Does sky maps work?
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What you are asking for is impossible. GPS does not provide any information on ORIENTATION, nor is it used in sky maps any more significantly than simply finding your location on the surface of the planet. Sky maps uses the COMPASS much more than the GPS since it can actually determine your orientation wrt the planet's magnetic field.
GPS devices can only judge a direction that you are pointing by assuming that the DIRECTION you are moving in **IS FORWARD**. If you are driving backwards, google maps will turn the map upside down.
Now vibrant is a samsung phone. You realize that the nexus S is as well? It has apparently been delayed on account of THIS EXACT PROBLEM. There is some SERIOUS issue, either with the firmware or with the hardware on those devices that is leading to your frustrations... and there are apparently MULTIPLE causes coming together.
I really wouldn't worry about the GPS and compass on the VISION. HTC (unlike samsung) has a good track record with these components.

My g2 has a great gps. Locks quick and is accurate every time. I've used tracks to test and walking 100 yards and back with varying direction was mapped perfectly.
I had the captivated before (ATT version of vibrant) and it was horrible. The file system, gps, battery life, random shutdowns, cheap feel, plus ATT locks the market down and disabled sidelong of apps.
The problems of the g2 are minor compared that other mess of a phone. JMO
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Agreed with everyone. The Galaxy S gps is horribly slow.(don't get me started on the touchwiz interface)
But there have been people who liked the galaxy s more than the g2, and because you are asking this in a g2 section.. it tends to be a bit bias.
I would go to a store and check active demos and decide for yourself.

One of the best phone out there, with oc to 1.4 ghz it will be best keyboard phone out there for a while. Stock android is a only way to go. Other addons like track pad wake just make a cherry on top and I am sure that there will be more cool stuff to follow. Hope this helps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

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What you are asking for is impossible. GPS does not provide any information on ORIENTATION, nor is it used in sky maps any more significantly than simply finding your location on the surface of the planet. Sky maps uses the COMPASS much more than the GPS since it can actually determine your orientation wrt the planet's magnetic field.
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Google navigation uses the compass to determine orientation of the arrow when you're stationary. I know this because, in the case of the Vibrant, the compass is always wrong. This contributes to issues when I'm sitting at a light, since google nav will use the (bogus) compass reading on the Vibrant and decide I must be facing the wrong way, triggering a reroute.

JeremyNT said:
Google navigation uses the compass to determine orientation of the arrow when you're stationary. I know this because, in the case of the Vibrant, the compass is always wrong. This contributes to issues when I'm sitting at a light, since google nav will use the (bogus) compass reading on the Vibrant and decide I must be facing the wrong way, triggering a reroute.
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It doesn't use the compass. It is constantly polling the GPS to see which direction you are traveling. So if one second you are at a specific location and the next second you are 5 feet to the North, it thinks you are moving North at a speed of 5ft/s. The reason they don't use the compass to see what direction you are traveling is because what if you turn your phone sideways while navigating? Or what if I turn my phone sideways to the left but you turn your sideways to the right? Will you be traveling backwards?
It polls the GPS. And since the GPS on the Vibrant is so inaccurate and unreliable, it sometimes thinks you have moved when you are standing still. That's why it sometimes thinks you are facing backwards when you are at a stoplight. It thinks that you have actually moved backwards a foot or two.

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It doesn't use the compass. It is constantly polling the GPS to see which direction you are traveling. So if one second you are at a specific location and the next second you are 5 feet to the North, it thinks you are moving North at a speed of 5ft/s. The reason they don't use the compass to see what direction you are traveling is because what if you turn your phone sideways while navigating? Or what if I turn my phone sideways to the left but you turn your sideways to the right? Will you be traveling backwards?
It polls the GPS. And since the GPS on the Vibrant is so inaccurate and unreliable, it sometimes thinks you have moved when you are standing still. That's why it sometimes thinks you are facing backwards when you are at a stoplight. It thinks that you have actually moved backwards a foot or two.
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Google maps most certainly does use the compass to determine which direction the arrow points if you're stationary.

keenerb said:
Google maps most certainly does use the compass to determine which direction the arrow points if you're stationary.
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Tell me, how does the compass know what direction you are facing?

gravis86 said:
Tell me, how does the compass know what direction you are facing?
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Because it's a COMPASS, man. It's a tiny little magnet(*) inside the phone that a sensor uses to determine whether you're facing north, south, east, or west.
How do you think layar or google sky maps knows which direction you're facing if you're standing still?

keenerb said:
Because it's a COMPASS, man. It's a tiny little magnet(*) inside the phone that a sensor uses to determine whether you're facing north, south, east, or west.
How do you think layar or google sky maps knows which direction you're facing if you're standing still?
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I know what a compass is. What I meant was how does it know what direction YOU are facing? I'll answer that question for you. It doesn't. A compass tells which direction is North relative to the orientation of the compass (or in this case phone) itself.
If you assume that the top edge of the phone is always pointing in the direction the user is facing, then the compass would work for that. This is how the Google Sky Maps application works - it assumes that you are facing the same direction as the camera on the back of the phone. So it works.
Assuming that any particular edge of the phone is facing forward during navigation is bad programming. Like I asked earlier, what if I turn my phone upside-down, or one the right side versus the left? The compass will know what direction the phone is facing, but now the phone is facing the opposite direction of me. So does it think I'm going backwards?

Of course, if you hold your phone upside down, or backwards, the compass may report an incorrect direction.
That doesn't really have any bearing on my comment, or the fact that google maps WILL use the compass to determine orientation when stationary.
I think you're rebutting an argument I'm not making.
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keenerb said:
Of course, if you hold your phone upside down, or backwards, the compass may report an incorrect direction.
That doesn't really have any bearing on my comment, or the fact that google maps WILL use the compass to determine orientation when stationary.
I think you're rebutting an argument I'm not making.
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I was showing you the reasoning behind why Google Maps does not use the compass to determine orientation. It does not because it can not. Google engineers aren't that dumb. The only time Google Maps activates the compass it when the user has selected StreetView.

I disagree on both counts.
The reason google maps uses derived direction of travel rather than compass orientation is because direction of travel is more useful to a moving vehicle than true orientation. That, and some devices may not have a functional or calibrated compass.
Also, on my google maps, while standing still, the arrow is currently indicating my true orientation based on the internal compass. Perhaps your version is different.
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I totally forgot about the accelerometer. My bad. Google Maps uses the accelerometer to determine the orientation of the device relative to you, and then the compass to determine the orientation of the device relative to the Earth. So it actually can see what direction you are facing... I stand corrected.

My gps was having nasty issues pre OTA, but now it works beautifully
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I love these forums. We start with a question about the Vibrant versus the G2 handset. We end up and I learn a lot about compasses, GPS, which way I should face, and accelerometers!
Thanks wizards of XDA. You guys rule! I mean it seriously. The evolution of threads on XDA is an interesting cultural and sociological perspective.

Compass needs excessive recalibration

Just spent several days in the wilderness with the 6p, only to discover that the compass looses calibration when you as much as look at it the wrong way. And I am not talking subtle here. At one point the phone had literally reversed North and South, and no amount of recal would fix that. This was in the middle of the AZ desert on a day with crystal clear blue skies. What gives? And why does the compass on any Android phone suck so baldy in comparison to the iPhone. I have never seen the compass on my wife's iPhone get confused. Mine tends to point every which way over the last 4-5 Android phones I have owned.
EDIT: just spent a few more hours figuring it out. Hwawei is, as usual, of absolutely no help. When I called them they asked me to flush the cache and when that did not fix anything they said to call Google. This is pretty much the last Hwawei phone I will buy. In order to make sure I did not do something weird to the phone to cause the compass to misbehave I returned back to stock (yes, this bugs me this much) and sure enough nothing change. My wife's iPhone and my Nexus 6P side by side give a heading that differs by 45 degrees (the iPhone is correct). Furthermore the iPhone heading is properly damped and butter smooth, while the Android one is choppy and looks like crap with three separate apps. Anyone have any suggestions? Fixing this is a must-have for me. There are a couple of photography related apps that are essential to me and use the orientation sensors to superimpose the trajectory of the sun, moon, and milky way on the camera image. If I can't get these to work correctly the phone is getting sold.
EDIT 2: turns out that not all compass apps are created equal, especially when it comes to compass re calibration. Compass by RHB seems to do wonders for me (and others). The app name is generic and a PITA to find on the Play Store, if you look for "Compass calibration" it should be one of the top hits. Thanks to whoever at XDA pointed me that way, I found this on a Google search of XDA.