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Especially
1.camera
2.Video recording quality
And
3.3G speed...vs TMob or Att
I've heard disturbing reports about quality there.
If its a step back from my N1 it'd be a dealbreaker for me.
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There is no comparison. Its like comparing a dodge charger to a lamborgini.
I highly doubt it would have worse camera/video when the EVO's camera is so much higher quality.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-nexus-one-and-droid-face-off-on-the-charted-field-o/
Have read a number of users (Google conference attendees) dissapointed with those 3 items.I think for example they were under the illusion that 8mpx is 30% something stronger than 5.
Just wondering if anyone who HAS a Nexus also can compare these with Evo.
(Yes...I have read Engadget tho.)
Had a t-mobile N1 and traded someone for an EVO:
Camera - Much better (maybe due to sense? stock android camera is kind of limiting)
Video - Marginally better, but still not that great on either. Don't think it ever will be very good with the size of the lens.
Speed - Only 3G here in downtown los angeles, I would say about the same. I was on Tmobile. Tmo might have been slightly faster, but the general service was worse (absolutely nothing in my apt versus almost full bars in my apt with sprint).
http://m.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones...-htc-evo-4g-is-it-a-carrier-changer/3873?pg=3
One straightup review that finds less-than-expected camera. video, screen and 3g performance on Evo.
if these prove to be significant I'll probably return mine stick with the Nexus and wait for HTC GSM version...
Thanks! Yeah am surprised with the video quality I've read...one of about 5 reasons I'm jumping ship.
I figured 3G speeds'd take a hit...Att and TMob both have been upgrading here in Chitown and I average 2Mish most the day.
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Had a t-mobile N1 and traded someone for an EVO:
Camera - Much better (maybe due to sense? stock android camera is kind of limiting)
Video - Marginally better, but still not that great on either. Don't think it ever will be very good with the size of the lens.
Speed - Only 3G here in downtown los angeles, I would say about the same. I was on Tmobile. Tmo might have been slightly faster, but the general service was worse (absolutely nothing in my apt versus almost full bars in my apt with sprint).
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I have the N1 on at&t and the EVO.
Quick comparison:
1) Camera: EVO better
2) Touch screen: EVO wins big time here. no more issues with unresponsive touches and much more accurate on the EVO
3) Screen clarity: EVO wins here as well
4) Network speed: N1 wins big time. Sprint's 3g speeds our truly horrible. 4G is awesome when you can get a signal
5) Coverage: Both are fine for me. Sprint might be a little better.
6) OS speed: The N1 feels snappier. it might be because it does not have all the bloatware that comes with the EVO and only running stock. EVO is still fast, but N1 feels faster.
7) Video recording: Both fail. same bad compresses quality.
8) Earpiece and speaker volume: EVO wins big time.
9) hardware general feel: EVO wins. feels more solid in the hand.
So your gonna go with the Evo undoubtedly!
That Evdo info sucks. Most are gonna be on 3G half the time ...even in 4G areas like Chicago here.
I was just sitting here showing my buddy a couple Att 3G speed tests of >4Mb's!...(Froyo)..but had 2-3M's without it in same location.
I have N1 T-Mobile and EVO:
Camera - More features on the EVO but quality wise about the same. Video a tad better on EVO
3G - I'm experiencing the same level of performance, perhaps a bit better on the EVO due to the fact that the N1 has the 3G antenna issue so you need to hold the phone a certain way. 4G service here is Las Vegas is very nice so there is no comparison there.
Everything else is nice on the EVO. I've been running the Desire Modaco ROM on my N1 so knew what to expect from the EVO and performance wise they are about the same which they should be since they use the same processor, etc...
As many people here are probably aware of...the Nexus One had some 3G reception problems on T-Mobile. How is the Vibrant working out for those who have it (or get it today)?
EDIT: I'm not here to argue about whether or not the N1 had 3G reception issues. I'm really just interested to hear about the Vibrant's 3G performance in real world use. If you have a vibrant please let me know how it is for you. Thanks!
will let you know in about an hour and 10 minutes. I have had 2 different HD2's in the past 3 months, the first one had a consistent 5 bars of 3G at my house, and my last one would average 2-3, so I'm hoping the Vibrant will be more like my first hd2 in that regards lol
sounds good. will wait to hear about it. this was my biggest gripe with the nexus one, so hopefully it is better in this phone.
N1 does not have reception issue... its tmobiles coverage .. it does the same to my tp2, tmobile dash and I even saw the galaxy doing it in poor signal... in strong area it wont even drop a bar...
And galaxys antenna is at the bottom like the n1...
Check video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k&feature=player_embedded#
And here's my tp2 doing it.... its tmobile and of course covering it. Together is the issue.. forgive the language in the video..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eo7uFtAKDY
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N1 does not have reception issue... its tmobiles coverage .. it does the same to my tp2, tmobile dash and I even saw the galaxy doing it in poor signal... in strong area it wont even drop a bar...
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I'm not referring to what happens if you're in poor signal area. I'm talking about average signal areas where you have decent 3G and very good EDGE reception. The N1 loses 3G reception when held in a specific way, or often defaults to EDGE while other phones such as the G1 hold onto 3G just fine. I've tested this thoroughly, and am quite certain of this.
^ I have both, an N1 and G1. You are either very unlucky or full of $hit.
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^ I have both, an N1 and G1. You are either very unlucky or full of $hit.
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Wow, seems like you need to grow up a bit.
These are my observations, and the N1's signal simply wasn't good enough for me to keep the phone. I no longer own it. I'm not the only person who has had issues with the N1's signal in comparison to other phones. It is true that you can hold many phones in a specific way to drop signal, but on the N1 holding it in a natural way causes a drop, which is a pretty big issue - at least it was for me.
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I'm not referring to what happens if you're in poor signal area. I'm talking about average signal areas where you have decent 3G and very good EDGE reception. The N1 loses 3G reception when held in a specific way, or often defaults to EDGE while other phones such as the G1 hold onto 3G just fine. I've tested this thoroughly, and am quite certain of this.
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Watch my vids, most phones do this. Just cause ya got full bars 3g doesn't make it a strong signal.....
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Watch my vids, most phones do this. Just cause ya got full bars 3g doesn't make it a strong signal.....
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I've tested this firsthand and don't need to watch any videos. natural use of other phones results in better 3G reception than natural use of an N1. unless you're actually *trying* to hurt the signal on a G1, it's not going to happen easily. That's my experience, anyways. By the way, I use the actual dbm's to measure the signal, not just bars. To say that "full bars" is not strong signal is actually pretty ignorant anyways. Generally full bars is a minimum of around -90dbm which is definitely a good signal. It differs a bit based on how they are calibrated on a particular phone, but this is an approximate rule.
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Wow, seems like you need to grow up a bit.
These are my observations, and the N1's signal simply wasn't good enough for me to keep the phone. I no longer own it. I'm not the only person who has had issues with the N1's signal in comparison to other phones. It is true that you can hold many phones in a specific way to drop signal, but on the N1 holding it in a natural way causes a drop, which is a pretty big issue - at least it was for me.
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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I've tested this firsthand and don't need to watch any videos. natural use of other phones results in better 3G reception than natural use of an N1. unless you're actually *trying* to hurt the signal on a G1, it's not going to happen easily. That's my experience, anyways. By the way, I use the actual dbm's to measure the signal, not just bars. To say that "full bars" is not strong signal is actually pretty ignorant anyways. Generally full bars is a minimum of around -90dbm which is definitely a good signal. It differs a bit based on how they are calibrated on a particular phone, but this is an approximate rule.
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Ignorance is starting a thread about signal and not watching vids people post to help you out... one of them vids is the galaxy s... your answer is in that video
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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You can point figures at T-Mobile all you want but I constantly have 3G on a G1 in a lot of places where I didn't on an N1 (tested different radios as well, with similar results). The same goes for my Nokia N900, which I can't deplete the signal by the way I hold it no matter how much I try.
It is true that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100mhz bands for 3G, while AT&T uses lower bands (850/1900mhz). The lower bands are less susceptible to interference like this, and that's probably why the issue wasn't very noticeable on the AT&T version of the N1. However, a properly designed phone will not have as much of a problem on T-Mobile's network as the N1, especially when you're holding the phone in a natural way, and not an obtrusive way.
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You can point figures at T-Mobile all you want but I constantly have 3G on a G1 in a lot of places where I didn't on an N1 (tested different radios as well, with similar results). The same goes for my Nokia N900, which I can't deplete the signal by the way I hold it no matter how much I try.
It is true that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100mhz bands for 3G, while AT&T uses lower bands (850/1900mhz). The lower bands are less susceptible to interference like this, and that's probably why the issue wasn't very noticeable on the AT&T version of the N1. However, a properly designed phone will not have as much of a problem on T-Mobile's network as the N1, especially when you're holding the phone in a natural way, and not an obtrusive way.
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I thinks its both. But safe to say if we had better signal I.e. building penetration we would never see the issue...past this.. back to sgs
Please watch the video. The first one shows the same as how the n1 was. Imo the antenna is in the same spot. So that may help you out on your question
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Ignorance is starting a thread about signal and not watching vids people post to help you out... one of them vids is the galaxy s... your answer is in that video
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That's the Galaxy S, not the Vibrant.
The Galaxy S had issues with GPS signal, so far reports are that the Vibrant does not. Clearly there are some changes to the phone in that case. It could be an updated firmware. Thus I can't go by issues that the Galaxy S has, as the Vibrant could very well be different - especially considering that video seems to be from a completely different network operator/country, with different network characteristics, etc. On the other hand, on the N1, the 3G reception issue was a widespread problem, even recognized by Google to some extent - though they never did 'truly' fix it. I'll be the first to say the N1 is a really nice phone, even today - a good 6 months after its release. But it isn't quite as good as other phones in 3G reception, which I determined after owning the phone for almost three months.
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I thinks its both. But safe to say if we had better signal I.e. building penetration we would never see the issue...past this.. back to sgs
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These are the frequencies that T-Mobile was allocated, and they are not the only carrier using higher bands for 3G. It is the job of the phone manufacturer to develop a device that is optimized for the frequencies the intended network uses. The N900 is an example of a device that does really well in this area, the G1 isn't too bad either. In creating this thread, I was hoping to hear about actual usage of the Vibrant on T-Mobile's network, so how about we leave the thread to just that?
Thanks.
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These are the frequencies that T-Mobile was allocated, and they are not the only carrier using higher bands for 3G. It is the job of the phone manufacturer to develop a device that is optimized for the frequencies the intended network uses. The N900 is an example of a device that does really well in this area, the G1 isn't too bad either. In creating this thread, I was hoping to hear about actual usage of the Vibrant on T-Mobile's network, so how about we leave the thread to just that?
Thanks.
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Its a fact tmobiles 3g doesn't penetrate buildings as well. I don't care what phone you have...
Anyways. I'm saying the antenna is more than likely at the bottom as well. So you may be getting n1 issues... anyways I'm done. Your pretty set in what you believe ...
Hope its well for you...
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Its a fact tmobiles 3g doesn't penetrate buildings as well. I don't care what phone you have...
Anyways. I'm saying the antenna is more than likely at the bottom as well. So you may be getting n1 issues... anyways I'm done. Your pretty set in what you believe ...
Hope its well for you...
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When did I argue anything about building penetration? Of course it's not as good as some other carriers, due to the higher frequencies in use. However, some phones handle this better than others, and I created this thread to learn about the Vibrant's 3G performance. You came here and began arguing over practically nothing, without any experience of the Vibrant yourself. And as 'heygrl' pointed out, you're clearly going out of your way to deplete the signal on the TP2, holding it an unnatural way. Thus the video is not really relevant.
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The vidzzzzzz you posted are crap.
Anyway I ACUTALLY have a Vibrant in a few hours and I will let the OP know how the reception is instead of posting up a bunch of stupid Youtube videos.
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Thanks. Glad to see somebody who knows what they're talking about.
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When did I argue anything about building penetration? Of course it's not as good as some other carriers, due to the higher frequencies in use. However, some phones handle this better than others, and I created this thread to learn about the Vibrant's 3G performance. You came here and began arguing over practically nothing, without any experience of the Vibrant yourself. And as 'heygrl' pointed out, you're clearly going out of your way to deplete the signal on the TP2, holding it an unnatural way. Thus the video is not really relevant.
Thanks. Glad to see somebody who knows what they're talking about.
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hows that a unatural way? people hold the top alot, think about holding it in landscape, if your holding it with your left hand, your gonna cover the antenna even more so than I was especially typing.. HOW was that Unatural. LOL Thats how you hold your phone....
Edit: and what consists of Unatural? lol Its a 4 inch device, your hands are gonna cover it no matter how hard you try and avoid it... Once again hows holding it at the top vs bottom unatural?
So basically since im holding it at the top vs bottom Im holding it wrong. lol
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hows that a unatural way? people hold the top alot, think about holding it in landscape, if your holding it with your left hand, your gonna cover the antenna even more so than I was especially typing.. HOW was that Unatural. LOL Thats how you hold your phone....
Edit: and what consists of Unatural? lol Its a 4 inch device, your hands are gonna cover it no matter how hard you try and avoid it... Once again hows holding it at the top vs bottom unatural?
So basically since im holding it at the top vs bottom Im holding it wrong. lol
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Whatever you say - I've used a T-Mobile TP2 (in areas with slightly sketchy 3G) and didn't notice this problem. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but under my usage I didn't see this. I don't see it on a G1 or N900 either.
Anyway, I don't care about the TP2 - I'm concerned with the Vibrant, so let's see what people have to say in terms of real world usage.
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I've read the issue .. I've owned a n1 for 6 months. The issue is tmobile not the phone... I.e. my videos. They do the same.... Its tmobile.. and partially bad antenna placement but its ultimately the poor signal That causes your hand to deflect signal... and from the video the sgs has the antenna in the same place as then1
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there's a 78 page thread w/about 3300 posts on google's nexus one support forum that refutes your assertion that it's Tmo's signal or coverage - when the AT&T versions came out, they had same issues
convince them http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0c0fb2a46ad64955&hl=en&start=3040
I used to own an Atrix and got rid of it because of the Wifi performance and a couple of other minor things. I'm wondering though, if I loaded a custom rom, could it literally improve the Wifi performance?
On my Inspire, the Wifi strength got better when I loaded cm7. Has anyone that's loaded cm7 on their Atrix noticed an improvement in Wifi performance?
I would literally have to hold the Atrix in landscape orientation to pick up signal at work where my iPhone 4 and Inspire can pick it up regularly.
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I'd have to say that your particular phone had a problem. Mine has awesome wifi strength. Way better than my Tilt2 or iPhone 3GS....and way faster since it's "n".
Maybe I should use the term range not performance.
I had 3 different Atrix's and they had the same range and were all dead in the same spots.
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Haven't noticed a difference in roms and wifi performance....
My 3gs hasvway better range then ny ATRIX ... so sad.
Still ... its not an issue since I have pretty good 3g coverage in my area.
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Yes, unfortunately the atrix wifi range isn't that good. I have trouble picking up signal where others do so easily.
I wonder if the antenna is too small... would it be possible to "embed" a wire inside the back cover and connect it to the regular antenna to create a makeshift range extender?
Edit: iI think the phone's radio has influence over wifi reception, but it can only go so far. Might not be 'improveable' as much as we'd like to.
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Haven't noticed a difference in roms and wifi performance....
My 3gs hasvway better range then ny ATRIX ... so sad.
Still ... its not an issue since I have pretty good 3g coverage in my area.
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Very sad yes. I work in a lead lined building and have no service whatsoever, I completely rely on Wifi.
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That'd be your particular device's problem. Atrix got best wifi performance IMHO. Very fast and responsive. SpeedTest.net results shows that with the wifi at my home, my XT720 returns a speed of 7~8 Mbps where Atrix always returns 12~16 Mbps of speed.
I'd say the reduction in range is due to the improvement in speed.
My Atrix get's my wifi signal about 20m through 4-5 concrete walls, occasionally I've also noticed it get's it through 3 levels in my apartment building, though I don't have anything else to compare it too.
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Maybe I should use the term range not performance.
I had 3 different Atrix's and they had the same range and were all dead in the same spots.
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I doubt a ROM will significantly improve the wifi range on the Atrix, more of hardware thing IMO.
Same behavior for me at work too. My old BB 8900 can hold onto the weak wifi signal (around 80-90dbm) better than my Atrix. If I run too much data on wifi on the Atrix, the wifi will throw too many errors and disconnect. I ran logcat to see all of the fun stuff going on to figure this out.
Fortunately work is upgrading the wireless network soon .
There has been several radio firmware packages released since you got rid of yours I think. The latest AT&T one (1.77.30P) definitelly made things better all around for me.
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There has been several radio firmware packages released since you got rid of yours I think. The latest AT&T one (1.77.30P) definitelly made things better all around for me.
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I wish there was a way to test this without going out and buying a phone.
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I wish there was a way to test this without going out and buying a phone.
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The new radio helps the range a little vs the radio in 2.2.2 for me. The wifi disconnects less frequently, but it still disconnects from time to time. If you rely solely on wifi it's not worth it IMO.
My wifi is awesome and all I have are access to g routers. Speed and distance.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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The new radio helps the range a little vs the radio in 2.2.2 for me. The wifi disconnects less frequently, but it still disconnects from time to time. If you rely solely on wifi it's not worth it IMO.
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I agree. Thank you for the info.
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Hey guys,
Something I'm interested in. Not sure how many of you will have experience with the 4s though...
I work in a store in central London which is in a pretty old building. Our store build is achient and it's all concrete and metal floors, along with the old brick of the building.
To say simply, signal in our shop sucks. We get 3g on the counter, but it's very dodgy. Many people get no signal downstairs in our office/staff area which is also a basement.
Many of us are on the O2 network, including me now (via the excellent giffgaff!). All of my colleagues on iphone 4 get no signal around the manager desk area. I do, though it's a little more dodgy than when I was on vodafone. (used to get a solid Edge connection all the way to the back, then solid G)
What really surprised me is that one of my colleagues now has an iphone 4s, which has a far improved antena design. He does not get signal on the managers desk. I do...
Has anyone else seem the Sgs2 radio beat the 4s radio? I'm using the kl1 radio and the reception has been amazing on it.
It seriously really surprised me. Makes me want to keep my baby for a long while longer!
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Yes but that's comparing to my colleagues we've moved into a new building reception is poor I get a decent signal on a good modem where as some colleagues with iPhones suffer.
Also found that giffgaff/o2 in the same building is better than Vodafone.
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The iPhone has a very bad antenna design, from an engineering standpoint. Form over function.
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The iPhone has a very bad antenna design, from an engineering standpoint. Form over function.
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The iPhone 4 sure had an engineering fail, but you definetely can't be serious by saying the 4S has an antenna flaw. It doesn't, and it gets just as good a signal as my GSII does.
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I've tested the radio both in Los Angeles and Beijing. In Los Angeles, the reception on my i4S is quite a bit better running on ATT network. Download and upload speeds are about 2X better on the i4S. Call quality is also better on the i4S. With wifi the i4S and sgs2 get about the same dl/ul speeds but the i4S has a much better range.
In Beijing with both phones operating on China Mobile's crappy edge network both are about the same. Call quality is equally good with maybe a slight nod to the i4S as it has more volume. Wifi is still the same story with the i4S getting 2-3X the range as my sgs2.
Why not club together , or get the company, to buy a signal booster? This would just be a relay cell to the nearest O2 cell.
Having a hard time finding info on this... anyone actually measured an increase/decrease vs. their GNex? I'm not talking about bars, but in dBm/ASUs or whatnot.
I was able to successfully order one today but am wondering if I should cancel. I primarily will use this phone to tether on the TMobile plan and while overall coverage with my GNex is adequate, I often find myself in situations indoors (various restaurants/cafes, etc) where it's a bit fringy and slow. Fortunately I live in a 42 HSPA+ area (downtown San Diego) so I imagine that will help some.
I don't have hard numbers for you, but based on my experience the last week its about the same if not marginally better. Nothing mind blowing though.
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I don't have hard numbers for you, but based on my experience the last week its about the same if not marginally better. Nothing mind blowing though.
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Hmm... are you seeing an improvement in your data speeds at least - ie. in a marginal area wear you might have gotten 1 mbps, you now get like 1.5 or 2?
If I'm not looking forward to much of an improvement here coupled with the glass back it might be best to sit this one out. OTOH I *did* get one and should be able to at least resell what I paid for it so it might not hurt to try...
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Hmm... are you seeing an improvement in your data speeds at least - ie. in a marginal area wear you might have gotten 1 mbps, you now get like 1.5 or 2?
If I'm not looking forward to much of an improvement here coupled with the glass back it might be best to sit this one out. OTOH I *did* get one and should be able to at least resell what I paid for it so it might not hurt to try...
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Yeah data speeds are much higher. At work where I usually have one or two bars I now get ~10Mbps with the N4 as opposed to the Gnex I'd have 3-7Mbps. At home where I have a great signal; I went from 7Mbps with the Gnex to 19Mbps with the N4.
I'm on T-Mobile BTW.
Edit: The performance increase from the Gnex to the N4 alone is enough for me to recommend the upgrade. It absolutely flies!
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Yeah data speeds are much higher. At work where I usually have one or two bars I now get ~10Mbps with the N4 as opposed to the Gnex I'd have 3-7Mbps. At home where I have a great signal; I went from 7Mbps with the Gnex to 19Mbps with the N4.
I'm on T-Mobile BTW.
Edit: The performance increase from the Gnex to the N4 alone is enough for me to recommend the upgrade. It absolutely flies!
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing... I'm a remote web consultant, so this basically this seals the deal for me. I'm rarely in situations with no signal, just places that it's a bit too slow that I tend to avoid. Usually in the best spots I see about 8-9 mbps so I'm looking forward to the increase in speed, which sounds like it may put me close to what I get on my home network.