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“The first generation of handsets in our portfolio was about getting the capability out there”, Steve Walker (Acting) global head of marketing for Sony Ericsson told Pocket-lint, in a one-to-one interview at CES in Las Vegas.
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“Last year we didn’t anticipate the strength of feeling that consumers would have towards the Android release. And again that was a learning experience of the first year of mass market Android smartphones”.
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Here's the full article: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37869/sony-ericsson-2010-mistakes-made#ixzz1AqoY2JHm
Don't forget to post your comments for SE on the Pocket-Lint site.
I actually do have faith in SE handling their software better with the Arc and such, it just doesn't benefit me at all since I'm married to my X10 at least for the next couple of years or so. I dunno, everything I've felt is necessary to say about their current lineup is said already, it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
I should not read this :/ wrrrr...
“If we hadn’t done what we did with the X10 and the X10 minis we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’ve done here today”
M****r f****r :/
Tl;dr version - Lol congratz x10 owners you are officially our Guinea pig idiots, THATS what you get for trusting us to follow up on promises. Oh well right? No hard feelings k? thnxbai
ooidort said:
... it's nice to see SE admitting themselves that they failed. Even though their attitude is more like "We f'ed up, buy our new phone so that we can make up for it", than "Sorry we f'ed up, please enjoy our improved support for the X10 lineup in the year 2011!"
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This sums it up pretty well.
ledn said:
M****r f****r :/
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But, so does this.
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
This only throws more wood in the fire.
Oh SE, you keep doing it wrong... And I still had a little hope...
kindred7 said:
bah. If they were sorry they would release the bootloader.
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Basically.
It's not news that they were wrong...
It would be nice to know they're going to make it right...
but they aint.
Hi, SE,how about giving us froyo + gingerbread or giving us all an Xperia Arc since X10 owners were all shafted?
Basically saying:
"Thanks to be beta-testers, dear users of X10-families. Now goodbye, but meanwhile please enjoy our half-arsed pathetic attempt in Android until it's dead, coz we don't care about old stuff no more now we got the Awesome Arc. Once again, thanks"
"we've made mistakes ".... saying that is the mistake... so that's mean buying x10 is a wrong thing and you should not buy x10 or x8 or mini because it's a mistake ... will i got SE something ... for me trusting SE was a mistake .
My usual,
SE, may Death be bestowed on you.
PUI...........
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
coipu1234 said:
having looked at the new lg/htc/droid phones that are appearing in the very near future I reckon as usual sony is starting from behind, should be called xperia x10 v1.0
bet they wont unlock the bootloader either cos its probably the same code for all their new released phones.
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witch one "X10 , Mini , pro & X8" are outdated :s the arc is not on the Market
, we choose the bad brand and our dev try to give us some light with root and custom rom , i dont understand if Zdishu , Jerpelea & ... from XDA are able to develop 2.2 , 2.3 android rom , with good ressources they could do that perfectly pfff SE S**k
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SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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Got to agree there with u. And neither would I be suggesting this phone to any1 again. Sure it feels nice to see ppl admiring the x10 but what's the use if it ain't up to date. A smartphone that's not even a phone :'(
God damn SE atleast unlock the friggin' bootloader. x-(
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Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
D-Trixxx said:
Screwing over your early adopters is a poor long term strategy.
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Not when long-term is defined as a fiscal year.
roaringhere said:
SE will not be popular with the geeks and the nerds who like to tinker with their phones. But for general masses, they will still sell because they design their phone nicely...
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I can't agree with this... maybe earlier it was like that, ppl never know about updates, and didn't care much, but now with all this Android hype, more and more people are talking about Android, Froyo, games, MT and stuff, they all are aware of this. And looking how HTC updates their cheap phones like Wildfire and Tatto to froyo... they will ask how come they don't have Froyo on top model SE phone
I'm sure that SE will get what it deserves..
Looks like all the QQ did some good. For x10 owners at least.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/¸
P.S. Probably has something to do with the x10 bootloader being bypassed and the good progress devs are having with loading custom kernels.
yes i think also SE is scared about loosing conrtol about there own devices. So they want to bind us again to themselfe.
Yeah,we already know that
nope we already got 2.3..through xda dev
Meh! Again we are left high and dry.We didn't get dual touch update either and now this too.
Why can't we get both x10 and x8 ,2.3, because SE doesn't have resources. And here we have J providing gingerbread to entire xperia series with help of some devs!
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Will you upgrade the XperiaTM X10 mini, mini pro and XperiaTM X8 to 2.3?
No, we have no such plans. We have had to prioritize our resources and have therefore focused on delivering the upgrade to XperiaTM X10.
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They have to prioritize their team to provide 2.3 for only X10. While most work to bring CM7 to X10/X10mini/X8 has been done by only 2 devs: jerpelea and racht. Such a shame to SE.
What a ****ty news, I feel like smashing my phone in S.E. face... hope no S.E. worker gets in my sight cause I am mad as hell! I mean come on, I was ok with the 2.1 on all current xperia line but this ? WTF is with this discrimination, F*** THEM!
Wait,xperia line was always updated together and new cerficated update was relased on 23 of march for x8.
Please sony update x8 and x10 minis too.
if they won't update x8 to 2.3 or 2.2, i won't buy another SE phone !!! never !!! and i think that i'm not the only one
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Wait,xperia line was always updated together and new cerficated update was relased on 23 of march for x8.
Please sony update x8 and x10 minis too.
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i hope se have some time to read this thread
I will break forum rules now...
SSSSSSSHHHHHIIIIITTTT
SONY IS A SHHHHHIIIITTTTIIINNNNGGG ****!!!!
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I love my X8 but...
Don't get me wrong, I love my X8. However this is the first, and last, time I shall ever buy a Sony phone. I only bought mine last December, after a big Christmas marketing push by Vodafone here in Portugal. Imagine my dismay (and disgust!) to discover, after less than a month, that Sony already considered the phone obsolete before I'd even bought it :-(
Oh well. Live and learn I suppose (but it also makes me much less likely to buy anything Sony in the future...)
Rendering my x8 obsolete after only 4 months after seeing 1 proper update (1.6 --> 2.1)... not good.
Was planning to upgrade to Xperia Play, but I no longer trust SonyEricsson and have given up all plans of buying any of their products again.
That being said, XDA makes the x8 a very decent little phone. But still the XDA devs are fighting an up-hill struggle against the lockdowns imposed by SE. Thank you XDA, screw you SonyEricsson
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Rendering my x8 obsolete after only 4 months after seeing 1 proper update (1.6 --> 2.1)... not good.
Was planning to upgrade to Xperia Play, but I no longer trust SonyEricsson and have given up all plans of buying any of their products again.
That being said, XDA makes the x8 a very decent little phone. But still the XDA devs are fighting an up-hill struggle against the lockdowns imposed by SE. Thank you XDA, screw you SonyEricsson
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on sonyericsson lauch blog writes no plain,not we will not upgrade x8 and minis just no plain
the real idea is to bypass bootloader so sony ericsson will update x8
Well mates, I think it's time to make some noise in SE blogs, this is not only a discrimination, this feels like your older brother was given by it's mother a bigger and better toy to play with, and we, the younger sons, can play with lego for eternity. Ah... This is a lack of respect, lack of sense, we do not only need that upgrade, we need recon. We are costumers, we spent our money buying the phones, we are SE future, our opinions and thoughts will count in next sales. We can't just be left behind, I know SE certified some firmwares recently, but, if they were thinking to upgrade us, they would have done it now at same time as X10.
Well it seems this is a way too give further security to bootloader, and remove kexec exploit. There's no downgrading after this. It's a terrible choice (my thought). So, we (x8,x10mini/pro owners) don't really need this upgrade since we have J & racht & so many great developers contributing, and I have so much to thank them for the hard work, precious time they take to do it, and for sharing it with XDA community, well I can say, with all users around the world. We are very near to reach total freedom.
Regards
That are not full working roms
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I hate SE businnes strategy...
Doomguy said:
I hate SE businnes strategy...
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Me too but worst is that their profit fall 20% from 2010 and they are so bad to custumers,realy and one more thing why they put so expensive phones in sale,x8 and minis will sell better with better support because they cheap but for 100 $ more i will buy htc wildfire.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my X8. However this is the first, and last, time I shall ever buy a Sony phone. I only bought mine last December, after a big Christmas marketing push by Vodafone here in Portugal. Imagine my dismay (and disgust!) to discover, after less than a month, that Sony already considered the phone obsolete before I'd even bought it :-(
Oh well. Live and learn I suppose (but it also makes me much less likely to buy anything Sony in the future...)
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Cmo eu te compreendo, a mim foi exactamente igual.. xD
I made exactly the same mistake.. :/
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Asdoos said:
yes i think also SE is scared about loosing conrtol about there own devices. So they want to bind us again to themselfe.
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Sony want this upgrade, and maybe this software update will also bring an bootloader upgrade, which will give us no chance of Xrecovery or Root, So, i stay with XDA
This news with hurt who buy xperia android phone.., very disappointed..., even galaxi mini with more cheaper than x8 will have gigngerbread from the official samsung.,what the hell with sony.., we only just eclair., never buy sony agains
androidos.in/2011/05/samsung-gingerbread-update-galaxy-s-ace-fit-gio-mini-tab/
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
Drakenfall said:
Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
fifo171 said:
i don't think so. why should they do it ??? they don't care about they customers, they care only about money ...
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Why? well, if their competititors are launching the Ginger even in the low end phones, SE will be left behind in the competition, to keep up they should update theyre low end also.
Well, at least it´s a hope...not that they will.
these noob's from SE....
from today ONLY HTC, great smartphone's with great funcionality, for the same money...
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Maybe now SE will launch Ginger on X8.
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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No, People already laugh at them cuz we use Custom GingerBread and is Pretty smooth...Stock ginger from SE should be even smoother, but they just won't release it
Asycid said:
No, they can't. They said once that X8's hardware is not capable of a smooth 2.3 Android... So now if they change their opinion, then everybody will laugh at them. Sad story, but com'on SE, just dig your own grave!
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Soooo not true!!! Look at the members here at XDA. Most of us are running 2.2 or 2.3 ROMs smoothly. SE should think more before announcing these stuff.
Maybe I'm not wrote it understandable. I mean under my writing that SE can't change their mind because they stated a thing. I know we've got nice ROMs, but SE stated that it isn't possible... now if they make a 2.3 software, they'll just make ass from their mouth and this will not be good for their prestige.
I hope it is clear now what I'm thinking about, sorry for the inconveniences.
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That reminds me a situation that was something about 50 years ago. An guy from poland told that he can build computer that is smiliar size to case. Noone belived him and he made first small computer - K202. How much of them were produced? Only one. Comunist governement in poland send police to stop production and arest him.
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I change my mind.., this is a good news.., why dont we use this news to attack sony., if they have market strategi ,then we have customer strategi too., attack them with this news link in they forums.., and they other customer with see and with complain too.
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I hope that someone can port this (Clicky) to the X8
That new phone of SE is 2.3.
i really think that SE will change her minds again...at least here in my country we see loads of X8 for sale, or with discount to buy. It's good for them if the population buy their phones but they know already that noone will buy it at the moment if no upgrade for 2.3 is available.
i think that people who really want to wait for a official 2.3 rom from SE just need to wait till that marketing campaign of new xperia line ends. After that they will update all the other phones too. But till then they know that some people will get upset and buy one of the new xperias cause it has 2.3, hd, etc.
I hope that SE bring us some updates as far as the hardwares supports, by the way, I really appreciate the custom roms from devs, and shouldn´t change to stock ones
sony stop support for x8 forever or what?
Officially yes, sadly or not
Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
Mr. Hat said:
Who cares about sony anyway. Their support would be good, but our great devs are proving every day, that we don't need sony
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
Pff i dont need the official froyo. The froyos from our devs are a lot better even if SE will give us froyo i will stay with custom roms
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don't say such things, without sony we are nothing... remember that.. dont compare sony to M$
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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i believe that sony developers have see this forum and said "ow great, i will stop developing software for x8" or said "ow great, i will fix the cm7's problem for x8, and release for official gingerbread x8"
It is a fact, that the custom ROMs made by the devs here are a lot better in any aspect, than that of sony... I just need to look at my battery gauge... with stock 1 day (if lucky) froyobread lasted for 3 days (and was still ar 25%) So I won't return to stock even if launched .
A more up to date kernel would be appreciated though
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why? Do you work at Sony?
Are you a Spy sent by them?
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I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
custom roms are lighted versions or originals.. useless stuff is deleted.. so that's good if talking about 2.2.. but about 2.3 dev's need to deal with camera and radio problems....(about radio,never mind )
orangzeb said:
I wish that was true...
I'm the biggest fan of Sony... on the other hand think about their products , how many good things they've given us
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Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
spyder12345 said:
Personally I wonder what they've done for us that would actually persuade me to go over to their side. Almost every single one of their products have disappointed me in one way or another . And that's why I'm convinced that I'll never buy their products again. This X8 is the last product I'll ever buy from them. At least I've still got XDA .
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+1 mate, look at my signature.
but I am planning to buy Xperia ARC as my last SE phone.
well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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well I i can see the grudge but this is policy mate, we are users, we can expect more and more from their side but see it from their perspective... They have hell of competition..
and talking about products PS3 just ****ed xbox360 in A55....
I also own a x8 and it's a bit old so i don't complaint much , p.s nice ppl like you and devs here on XDA made my days...
Maybe you didn't use Nokia / Samsung / LG Phones to test how bad they suck ! why not buy xperia RAY ? if you want everything..
Sorry I meant no offense just stating my thoughts...
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Don't even mention Samsungs android phones... I've changed to X8 after Galaxy Spica... It really is horrible as stock, but far better with custom roms, but even because of the sh*tty drivers, kernels and everything, it is bad... But id had many buttons
I'm not disappointed in X8 (with custom rom of course, the stock s*cks like hell), with froyobread it is a very nice phone
i'm using froyobread and eclair 2.1 update 1 both ,
Exactly, with custom roms, who needs sony?, theyll probably forgot about the X8 and are working on the X16, I mean I just got the phone, SE lemme use it for a whole year, support it, update it, and then Ill think about changing it, but no, everyday new sh!t comes out!!!!
I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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Me too, a fan of SE. I owned only SE phones my entire life..
But see they still don't want to give us the word "open source" because they keep the bootloader locked. They left X8 in the air.
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Iam a die hard SE fan and i know they made some mistakes but new line up aint bad.i love Xperia ray
eagleeyetom said:
I'm wondering about Adobe's declaration about full flash to AMR6 CPU's. Maybe when they'll finally release Flash to such devices as X8 or Swift, Sony may change a bit their politics. I hope so. I'm not a big fan of GB, but fully functional camera, radio and BT could give a huge boost to our Devs
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I don't think it is because of that. Phone developers want to sell, that's why they release 1 update per phone, so that people keep buying the new ones
Got this via PM:
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The x10 might be upgraded to ICS too.
There's an investigation currently and it looks
like the x10 might get ICS too. Not sure but maybe
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For all the haters: yes, it's still a rumor and even if it's true that they're investigating to upgrade it, they still can decide otherwise. I just wanted to let you know that Sony Ericsson didn't forget about the X10 completely.
I guess we're in the lucky position that the 2011's software is very easy for Sony to port to the X10 and therefore they can try to get some reputation for their improved update policies.
This rumor is coming from the same source that previously announced the Gingerbread update and the first SE dual-core phone "Nozomi" ahead of time, so I'm sure he's not trolling.
So please don't start flaming this post or thread. Everyone can decide for themselves if they want to believe or not. I just thought some of you would be interested and maybe reconsider an upgrade to another phone. (Although I'll probably upgrade to the Galaxy Nexus nonetheless )
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hope so.......
I don't think the X10 is going to get official Sony ICS because it's an old device (sad but true). Yes SE has committed to the Android Handset Alliance which promised to give its phones 18 months of firmware upgrades whenever a new version of android is released in that period. However they joined the alliance after they released the Arc, so in fact we are already very lucky to get even GB.
Also, the X10 is way more than 18 months old now, which SE/Sony is not obliged to give us ICS (official)
Despite the chances of us getting Sony ICS is slim, we have official CM support now and we can hope that they'll build us an ICS update.
If its done than its for their good
Coz SE have a bad reputation for not keeping their phone software updated as they had done to x10 in the past by saying that this phone won't update beyond 2.1 but afterwards gave an update so the ICS update can be for improving their reputation in software updates but I don't believe this
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I really hope so, but in all reality, rumors are rumors...
*Scooby's coming*
Frosty666 said:
I really hope so, but in all reality, rumors are rumors...
*Scooby's coming*
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NOOOOO
And yeah, it's all rumors at this point. But I take it for granted that they're really investigating to bring it to the X10 and that they've probably a test device running. Even if you guys don't (and why would you?), I totally trust the guy that told me about it.
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I really hope so, but in all reality, rumors are rumors...
*Scooby's coming*
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Hahaha just coming to say that I don't buy it...
Saw too many of these types of rumors, it just doesn't seem plausible to me personally.
It'd be awesome for you guys though so I'd definitely be happy for you if it happens.
dream further......
Well we see what happens hopfully it does cause am not buying another phone yet ,i intend to ride my x10 out fully till it die out ,get my 500 bucks worth it shiiiiiit lol, if it don't happen well that xperia duo looks pretty sweet but umm i 'll wait for reviews first before i actully buy a damn sony phone again.
im relli gonna buy se phones for rest of my life if they do so
something to cheer with, for x10 users!
well it would make sense, the xperia is maybe almost 2 years old but still more worth than xperia play, neo (v), ray.
this means there is still some demand for our lovely rachael
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well it would make sense, the xperia is maybe almost 2 years old but still more worth than xperia play, neo (v), ray.
this means there is still some demand for our lovely rachael
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How is it worth more than those?
It sure isn't where I'm from lol
I didnt check every shop, but on Amazon Germany it is more expensive by ~ 20-30 euros
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I didnt check every shop, but on Amazon Germany it is more expensive by ~ 20-30 euros
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I don't see X10 is more expensive than Arc or Ray... They all are about 1-30€ for new subscriptions .
Xperia X10 is now a collector, but a very good one with android 2.3.3... (dreaming of v4)
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I didnt check every shop, but on Amazon Germany it is more expensive by ~ 20-30 euros
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That's retarded imo...
Performance wise any of those would whoop its ass.
theres still hope, but i think our amazing devs will pull something off anyway
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theres still hope, but i think our amazing devs will pull something off anyway
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That's for sure, and they'll be hell of a lot faster than SE But I think it would be great if this info turns out true because we'll get the proper drivers for a bugless ROM with all things working
ZeToken said:
I don't see X10 is more expensive than Arc or Ray... They all are about 1-30€ for new subscriptions .
Xperia X10 is now a collector, but a very good one with android 2.3.3... (dreaming of v4)
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I meant the hardware price, ie Xperia play 278 euros, x10 313 euros
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something to cheer with, for x10 users!
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More like something to give us hope for that likely won't happen.
By the way guys I heard from a friend of a friend who heard from a very reputable source that the X10 would continue to be supported until at least Android 6.0 . rumors are such an easy thing to make up.