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It is not every day that a cellphone manufacturer sets out its stall to defend an older operating system. Well, that is exactly what Sony Ericsson did at a press briefing (or discussion, as they preferred to call it) in Delhi yesterday as it tried to explain to selected members of the press why Android 1.6 was not too far behind Android 2.1 and even 2.2. The reason for this faith in the older version of Android is simple – Sony Ericsson has no fewer than three devices (the Xperia X10, the X10 mini and the X10 mini pro) running on the platform.
Sony Ericsson’s argument was that while there was no doubting that the devices ran on an older version of Android, the company had company had done more than enough to include features in its UI (called UIX) to make it comparable with newer versions of the OS. Features like better camera controls, Timescape, Mediascape and improved media players, claimed the company brought the X10 range of devices very close to anything that Android 2.1 devices could deliver. With the exception of multi-touch, as one gentleman from the company added. What’s more, while a major update to the X10 would take it up to Android 2.1 later this year, there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
For all the company’s claims, however, it was difficult not to feel a tinge of regret that all the hard work put into the interface layer had not gone into Android 2.1, which all said and done, is a few streets ahead of 1.6 in terms of appearance and performance. Especially when one considers the fact that the X10 was rolled out well after (almost four months after) the Motorola Droid/Milestone which was already running Android 2.0 (later updated to 2.1). Yes, there is no doubting that Sony Ericsson has done a lot with Android 1.6, more perhaps than any cellphone manufacturer, but there is also no doubting the fact that its decision to choose 1.6 rather than a newer version of Android on one of the most powerful configurations seen on a smartphone was more than a little befuddling. The company executives can rail on about the fact that “user experience is more important than the version of the OS” (yes, one of them actually said that) and the fact that the “X10 performs as well if not better than any device running Android 2.1, with the exception of multi-touch” (yes, that was said too), but these claims are undermined by the fact that a person who pays a premium price for a handset expects it to be running the latest software in town. And heck, if 1.6 was SO hot, why on earth is Sony Ericsson itself working on an update to 2.1?
It was a brave innings by Sony Ericsson for Android 1.6, but alas, it was in a losing cause. There is no doubt that the X10 is one of the best Android 1.6 devices in town, but it would have perhaps been the best smartphone in the world had it run 2.1. And by the time it does get down to running 2.1, the Android world would have perhaps moved on to 2.2 and beyond. Time and updates wait for no one in the tech world, not even Sony Ericsson.
This happened recently in india,Sony Ericsson organised a Round Table Android Meet where they were to discuss about there Android commitment.
Sony Ericsson India also said that , they are Committed to Providing Updates to Xperia X10 throughout it’s Lifecylce.
here is da link http://onlygizmos.com/sony-ericsson-bats-bravely-for-android-1-6/2010/06/
there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
this really looks promising..i guess SE r really improving da overall UI..doing everything inside timescape looks very promising indeed...i hope dey roll da update soon
Look what froyo adds to the table for android. 2.1 update might be big for SE but the standard by then will be 2.2. Again with the catch up game.
Not a good sign at all from SE.
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Like da way dey did with 1.6 including some features of 2.1. i feel SE will include some features of 2.2 in 2.1 update
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Exactly!
How about getting the battery life to what was promised at time of sale? When to do we hear SE talk about this issue. And, since there is never any mention of what the planned life cycle is, it is like promising nothing! Political BS.
And, I would like to correct one other point someone mentioned. By the time the X10 gets 2.1, the standard will be 2.3 (not 2.2), and there is a massive difference.
And, how about the fact the flash 10.1 will only be compatible with 2.2 or higher?
Still hoping for 2.2 they should skip 2.1
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Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Yeah, because HTC didn't just abandon the one year old HTC Magic, right?
Perspective people! It's not just SE... every company out there does this, and to think that some other company is going to be any better is deluding yourself.
Htc did a great job on the magic,with the sense ui ,i think they did a great job if you think of the hardware limitation this unit have.
i doubt X10 will sell much in India anyway.....the android platform hasnt taken over the apple market share yet.
much youngsters are still drawn to iphone 3gs.
anyway...i am waiting for updates.
main issues: Low in-call volume, poor battery life, limited functionality of timescape.
Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
Man I hope root is achieved. I kinda like the stuff that SE has.done to make the phone different from the others. But I like better call.volume, flash support, better battery life, more RAM, auto flash, root requiring apps, etc more. So its going to be the vanilla froyo ftw for me.
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Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.
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First of all, you said you wanted to take a baseball bat to the Sony execs, so yes, you are taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. A pretty big, violent dig.
Second, I'm not just talking crap. Sony added a lot of stuff to 1.6 that didn't exist before, like the Camera app, Mediascape, and the custom dialer.
Third, and this is the biggest point of all, simply put, the phone was never, ever, ever, ever, ever advertised as having anything at all other than Android OS version 1.6. You can cry all you want about this point, but, if you bought this phone, you knew it coming in. If there's something you wanted that was 2.1 specific, you should have went for a phone that had 2.1 preinstalled. It was known for months that the phone would release with 1.6.
It's this last point that really just boggles my mind. I don't understand people who buy something, knowing 100% of it's capabilities, then ***** when it doesn't do something it wasn't advertised as being able to do. It's like buying a Toyota Prius, knowing it's a Toyota Prius, then complaining after you buy it that it doesn't perform like a Ferrari. If you wanted something that performed like a Ferrari, you should have bought the Ferrari.
The phone can be "better." Anything can be "better", but for what was advertised, it's as good as it was made out to be.
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1.6 is only "slightly" outdated. It was released September 16, 2009. In the time between then and now, only one update has been officially released. At the release of the phone, the 1.6 was only about 7 months old. It's not Sony's fault that Google pushes out new updates faster than manufacturers can handle them.
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secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
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idiots will always be idiots, people like you would always complain and not think.
1) X10 was announced a month+ after Android 1.6 was released, 2.1 was released in january, X10 having the hardware better than the OS given shows that it's having the possibilities of having updates in the future.
Though they could have just scraped 1.6 and go for 2.1, but they wouldn't be able to keep what they promised for the consumers, namely the release date of X10, a near-somewhat stable version of UX adapted for 2.1 (tho it was still unstable for 1.6 but later on improved in minor updates) as well as timescape and mediascape, these might not be important to you but if they're not you might have gone for HTC instead (which makes me wonder why on earth you'd go for X10 if not for their unique UX and apps).
2) As big as a company can get, they wouldn't be able to have some of their resources to work only for constantly updating X10 for every new version of Android OS released by Google (1.6 - september, 2.1 - january, 2.2 - may) as SE has other phones to work on as well (for new, old, unannounced products etc)
before you go on talking about HTC manages to pull that off, answer me this, how many android phones were announced/released by HTC from early 2010 until now? at the rate they're in, do you think they'll support the old phones constantly with updates? I bet they'll keep on releasing android smartphones with the latest firmware and leave the old products to dry after an update or 2. SE on the other hand told us that they're trying to have X10 to have a long life-cycle (as late as the update may be)
as for your sidenote
A) 1.6 IS slightly outdated, it's been out since september 2009 and as I said, Android OS seems to have a life-expectancy of 4-5 months, majority of Android phones would be outdated every 4-5 months as well following your logic.
How about the Droid getting 2.2 today.
feeling sad.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/28/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-for-atandt-review/
Yup, i just read that and I feel sorry for our X10.but it's common from engadget.Hopefully the 2.1 update will do the X10 justice and bring it to the place it deserves
not until it can shoot laser beam or give us x-ray vision. I doubt 2.1 will even help.
Just wait until sony announce their secret project X.
SONY PSP 2 COMBINE with x10! to form ultimate PSP x10!
Wired's reviewer gives it "7 out of 10", even without Android 2.1
http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_sony_x10
That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
Every company is slow with major updates.
The UX for the X10 went pretty deep.
It took almost 2 months for an official release with froyo for the nexus one.
Be patient and enjoy a solid phone.
I understand feeling the need to defend the X10, but nothing Engadget said is necessarily wrong. It's no longer a great phone compared to the phones that are out today, and that's what reviews are all about.
When there's loads of phones out there running 2.1/2.2 with 4"+ screens, with multi-touch, and without a laggy skin, what advantage does the x10 really have? None. It may be very well built, and it may run what it does very well, but there are many phones that do all that and more.
Engadget has done nothing to blame....every word in the review is true..
i could not understand the customization being done Sony on 2.1 which is preventing them from releasing it early.
i still dont think that there is a phone out there today that i would choose over the x10. Galaxy, iphone etc... X10 is unique for me in many ways i really love the phone even with 1.6. this review is true but is misleading people towards not liking the phone, and really its one of the best phones out there. they can write the same review but put it in a different way and have people like it like i do. its weird why they do that.
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the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
I think buyers in the high end market expect their device to stay high end for more than 6 months and I personally think 2 years worth of device support is reasonable.
if it wasn't for XDA - i'd be changing my phone every 3 months( as opposed to every 6 - lol)
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
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I just have my hands on Samsung Galaxy S and frankly, I don't like the build quality of the phone as it is like any Samsung phones with cheap plastics and the feel is not as great as X10.
Galaxy S do have front camera but it does not have rear LED flash which is always my concern when getting a Camera phone, I can live without the front camera but not without the LED Flash on the rear of the phone.
It does have the front 2 buttons, Menu and Go Back button based on touch sensor which is quite good but the build quality really makes me feel like not touching it for long period.
Till now, I still enjoy playing with my X10 and holding it on my hand to show off though it is still on Android 1.6.
I would get the Iphone for my gf, but not for myself. It's got a nice UI but I don't see what is better about the Iphone compared to the top android phones. The price is just too high.
SE is a good manufacturer, but I think they could use a fresh wind over their company. They make excellent pieces of hardware, but their software is usually not something to write home about.
The reason I chose the X10 over the other phones was because SE doesn't make so many variations of one phone. Just look at the Samsung Omnia. You have over 5 different versions of that one.
I just want a manufacturer to make one phone that does it all. Kind of like SE was claiming they did with the X10. Then they can make one downgraded lower budget version like the X10 mini pro. I think they should've only released the X10 mini pro but then call that one X10 mini.
My sis got the Omnia at that time, and within a short period the Omnia HD appeared. I don't know how she felt, but I would feel a bit scammed...
the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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I think SE has made a good move by introducing X10 Mini Pro and X10 Mini to the X10 family as X10 as they are actually capturing different demands from end users as X10 Mini might be targeting at ladies as my sister also like the X10 Mini so much cos it is small and handy for their handbags.
As for the X10 Mini Pro targets to guys or ladies which prefer to have a keyboard but having the same size as the X10 Mini cos some might feel X10 a little bulky to them.
That is my opinion.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
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Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
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That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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Good luck. I returned my Captivate to buy the X10. The Samsung is fantastic on paper and has a gorgeous screen. It's not as fantastic in everyday use, though. It's laggy and phone reception is poor. GPS is broken almost completely, but that should be resolved soon. I loved it for a week and then started getting annoyed at all of the little things.
btw, that Engadget review is a joke. Any phone that doesn't have an Apple on it can't get higher than an 8/10 as the iP4 got a 9/10 and nothing could ever top that phone in their minds.
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Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
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The mini off contract actually cost more than the X10 for AT&T that they were reviewing. It's only $350. So with the money being similar there's no way I would pick the mini over the X10.
Sony kinda deserved it. By the time they release the update in September all the other phones would already have 2.2 and perhaps looking into 3.0. Not that I don't like this phone, I love the design, camera, etc. But no MT and an old OS is definately a pulldown.
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Ok so,
The X10 has a 16M colour screen
The X10 has a Multi-Touch capable screen
The X10 has Wireless N capability (not yet confirmed!)
The X10 has a powerful CPU
And yet Sony Ericsson dose not make use of these features.
Did they just add the more expensive hardware to push the price of the phone up?
Sure seems that way.
What they are doing is like buying more RAM for your PC and not actually using it. Just putting it on the desk to sit there and collect dust.
I just don't get it at all. Makes not sense what so ever.
If Jeff is still here maybe you would like to comment on this?
I think their software developers just suck. They make amazing hardware but fail at software on everything. I have owned 2 SE phones in the past and both had buggy interface. Same for earlier versions of the PSP. Sony is a hardware company.
I have owned 4 SE's and it always seems to be the same problem. You think I would have learned my lesson.
SE like to use the latest hardware in their advertising to trick customers into thinking that SE phones actually use the latest hardware. This is how SE push up the price of their devices. Then they promise customers that their device will be able to run the latest features once their product gets a software update, in the not too distant future of course. This usually takes around a year. Then while you're waiting for their update service, they try to compare their product with features their devices will have in the future, to what other products are actually currently using. And, SE never take into account that by the time their product is updated, that it will be updated to OUTDATED software. Then you have to sit back and watch whilst nearly every other flagship device from their competitors are enjoying feature you will never have on your SE device. Some times these other devices are even running the latest features on less hardware. And finally after all this, SE announce their next product release and repeat the whole process all over agian.
Nearly a years wait and still waiting just so we can import face book contacts! What a joke. (very slight exaggeration, but you get the point)
I tried to tell people this would happen back in April. I hate to say I told you so, but...
To say I will never buy another Sony or SE product as long as I live would be an understatement.
mackdaddy187 said:
I think their software developers just suck. They make amazing hardware but fail at software on everything. I have owned 2 SE phones in the past and both had buggy interface. Same for earlier versions of the PSP. Sony is a hardware company.
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I could have said it better myself.
SE is all about the hardware.
The development team seems mediocre and that's too bad.
Well, let's hope the bootloader gets cracked...
Maybe SE will see the light an actually get their **** together!.
I will be contacting the CEO of SE about this as well.. I don't expect id get a reply or even a decent one if i do but meh
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Or whatever the next model Xperia will be.
I'm pretty happy with my X10 but only because it's been completely changed with a custom rom.
Sony really dropped the ball on this one.
The Arc looks really nice and a huge upgrade but since my X10 is doing well at the moment and there's not really a need for me to upgrade should I hang onto my X10 until the model after the Arc is announced? (maybe a year from now)
I would the keep X10, unless your very unsatisfied about an aspect of the X10.
Honestly the hardware should be okay for at least another year and the Arc doesn't isn't a huge upgrade in terms of hardware, not meaning that there aren't good improvements, and upgrading quickly between devices is not always a great idea.
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Or whatever the next model Xperia will be.
I'm pretty happy with my X10 but only because it's been completely changed with a custom rom.
Sony really dropped the ball on this one.
The Arc looks really nice and a huge upgrade but since my X10 is doing well at the moment and there's not really a need for me to upgrade should I hang onto my X10 until the model after the Arc is announced? (maybe a year from now)
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Hardware specs wise, I don't see a huge benefit in upgrading to Arc. The only reason I want to upgrade is bigger screen size and awesome looking design. Frankly, I think SE could have done at least some of the specs better like more RAM and 16GB built-in memory or at least gave 32GB microSD card instead of 8GB which most of us will replace with at least 16GB.
If I am looking for better hardware specs, I will probably consider Galaxy S2. But, Samsung's lack any originality in design and not having a LED notification is a bumper.
Xperia Arc is not the "thing" yet
Sony Ericsson might be overlooking the competition on this one(once again). Last time I'd decided to upgrade from Xperia X1i to X10i were the following:
-OS switch. From Windows mobile to Android.
-Camera. X10 was one of the very few android with 8MP camera.
-Compatible battery. X10 uses the BST-41 battery model, I currently own 4 extra ones since acquisition of my previous X1.
Despite of the following drawbacks that I'm aware of:
-donut version (from that time July 2010). That time was the froyo(2.2) fever.
-Lower RAM compared to other manufacturer flagship phones.
-No dual touch(from that time July 2010).
-Low internal memory storage
-Bootloader not yet cracked(from that time July 2010).
What I'm waiting for as my turning points are the following:
-at least have 8GB internal memory storage & microSD support
-Dual-Core Processor. Given their at its mainstream(2nd gen onwards).
-HDMI out.
-More decent touchscreen support.
-within 4"-3.7" screen. I'm not into very big screens really.
-atleast 512mb RAM.
-atleast 1500mAh capacity battery
So base on these, Xperia Arc is not there yet. Similarly from the time they introduced Xperia X10 all they flaunt was the screen and camera. Flagship competition today battles it out with the dual-core hardware already, why haven't they?
Yes you're actually right.
With the new Droid Bionic and other dual core smart phones coming out maybe I'll wait until next iteration of Xperia for big improvements.
With the bootloader bypassed and custom kernal roms starting to roll out....i think I'm gonna save myself $700 and not purchase the arc. I'm gonna hang on to this beast and see where the devs take it from here.
I'm using trips miui rom with freekernal and I'm in awe at the difference. Its really making SE look bad that they couldn't do this for us from the start.
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Wait until MWC 2012..
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4g/lte should be another factor in deciding?
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Sony will make a comeback... Just wait They are making money because they almost don't have. When they got it with the arc play and stuff they will make a great phone.
If you have the money, buy it it will encourage SE to make better products.
But in reality, I'd say it's not a big upgrade from X10.. I took the time yesterday to Arc-ify my X10 and it's looking so much alike, I love it.
If I could I'd get it just because of the biggest screen and slimmer body, and because I dont' like *any* of the crap LG or Samsung (design wise) is putting out.
Wait. Buying such expensive phones with not much diff is a waste.. Keep the x10 and use wolfbreaks rom, it is based on the ARC UI, and on the outside it's not that big diff between them..
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Wait for what the dev´s do with the bootloader or for the official gingerbread update, then decide.
This segways the OP a bit; but if I'm reading SE's intentions correctly, Sony Computer Entertainment is planning on pushing the PlayStation Suite Platform rather than top-of-the-line phones with huge hardware increments.
This means Sony will pour serious money to motivate OTHER handset makers to build phones capable of playing new top-tier games and keep the Xperia tech specs pretty much where you see the x10 and the Arc.
So in short; yeah: stick to the x10 until you see what SE announces after the Arc.
And here goes the debate: "Which would be your logical replacement for your Xperia X10"!
Of course we all know that we have a phone that was released some time ago, and in technological standards it is an "oldie but Goldie". I am thinking I had a fair deal with my X10, which is why I will probably use it for quite some time until my tech-bug hits the necessity of the newest available (and cheap) advances in smartphones. This is where all the ppl here which not only have one, but 2 or more smartphones, come in. You obvious better knowledge of the latest and greatest gives my room to confide in your opinion, and taking in consideration that the region I am at, has only recently been taking in the possibility of getting 4G through Claro, a latin provider of such technologies, maybe we can still settle for the sluggish 3.5G (although I admit it must be a thrill to have 100Mbit/s or even 1Gbit/s soaring on my handset), as long as what I have in hand is a Gargantuan of the Smartphone arena.
Things I would take in account:
Screen size: I like to scroll through music on my X10, which is fun, especially when it helps you with that unknown tune that you never studied, but since you sightread, might give you all you need to know before showtime. 3.7+ screens with the highest resolutions possible
Processing speed: THE MUST, the faster the merrier!
Software Support: Although that is settled with XDA (and other places that have great devs, sadly not working together with xda in some cases), the latest updates are magnificent to have
Connectivity: Because not only 4G (which in Panama might start being a bit expensive), but WIFI and BT, plus the connectables, you know!
Sturdiness: Yes, the X10 lacks it... today my mom let my x10 go to the ground... CONNECTED! I spent 2 hours trying to fix the microUSB to be able to charge, which finally happened... but some other models have Titanium/Vibranium/Adamantium/WillNotBreakium/Lastforeverium covering plus a protective 7-point Barrier Chakra enchantment and Harry Potter type seals, plus Legolas, Aragorn and Gandalf protecting it... what I mean is, Si vis pacem, parabellum (to seek peace, prepare for war), and maybe you are going to be super protective with your baby, but one can't be so sure!
Last but not least
Price: Hey, technology is getting cheaper every day, not saying flea-market prices, but at least affordable enough when buying without a data/call plan, since I work independently, is not going to put a hole in my economy, plus it will last a long time before getting outdated... yeah, too much to ask, but I'm putting it out there for analysis
Bring in your opinions and advices! All are welcome!
Is this really the right place for this discussion? if it's about replacing the X10, it's not about the X10.
I am getting a Nokia N9.
In the Android world, I'd get a Galaxy S II.
arg0 said:
Is this really the right place for this discussion? if it's about replacing the X10, it's not about the X10.
I am getting a Nokia N9.
In the Android world, I'd get a Galaxy S II.
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Yikes... is there a place for a post like GENERAL ANDROID PHONE? If so, I don't mind if my thread is put in the right place; just thought since I speak of the X10 as my CURRENT main phone, I was wondering the people's opinion on which would be the best replacement for it, me being a current happy user, only wanting to upgrade to something that would be mostly like it, only just... well... newer?
you forgot hdmi port
i think HTC Sensation 4G is probably best of wait for Sony's Dual core phone !! probably my next from ny 1 of those !!! :-D
well, i will probably get next Nexus phone ( if it's quadcore ) or Samsung galaxy 3
Presume Iphone 5 (4s), my contract with t-mobile ends in December, so I assume i'll be offered iphone
Already replaced mine with a sensation, thnx to SE for their broken Yang connectors. My usb broke 5 times till now
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I love Galaxy S2
IMO i'm not going to change the x10 until it dies. it provides me all the functionality i need from a phone (mind that, phone) for now. it has it's role to play, and it has delivered its purpose.
i'm going to get a tegra 3 tablet be it android/windows 8 for other demanding tasks and portable gaming. i can get all my connectivity from the phone, saving me the need for a 3G enabled tablet. saves a lot.
Samsung Galaxy S II, LG Optimus 3d.
Or just the SE Xperia X10, it is fabulous and lovely regardless of SE ****.
Samsung Galaxy S II but still loving Wolf's ROM so yeah gonna take a while before I change
he said a cheaper phone... the last time i checked it, the galaxy s 2 was the most expensive one...
The cheapest smartphone plan here in Canada is $50/month =(. Looks like imma be stuck with my X10 for a while.
Probably a Google phone so I would always get updates or the xperia arc of course. No one makes phones like Sony with all the social entertainment
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SGS II caused of the screen
JazzLOCO said:
Processing speed: THE MUST, the faster the merrier!
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I'd say dual-core is the bare minimum to settle for these days. Dual-core phones are still the minority, but they really are the way of the future, and it's immediately noticeable on system performance when you start having multiple things going at once.
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Software Support: Although that is settled with XDA (and other places that have great devs, sadly not working together with xda in some cases), the latest updates are magnificent to have
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As great as XDA is (it's been absolutely the saving grace for the X10), I'd say company history of timely updates is very important. That knocks anything from SE out for the running for me (their promises with their newer phones are good, but I'd take the wait-and-see approach before giving considering them after the mess they made of updating the X10).
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Price: Hey, technology is getting cheaper every day, not saying flea-market prices, but at least affordable enough when buying without a data/call plan, since I work independently, is not going to put a hole in my economy, plus it will last a long time before getting outdated... yeah, too much to ask, but I'm putting it out there for analysis
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Not sure what qualifies as affordable in Panama, but by your requirements you couldn't even buy a new X10 here in Canada for a "affordable" price without signing a new contract (it's $499.99 to buy one outright).
With all that said, I just got the HTC EVO 3D on Monday. It satisfies all my requirements - dual-core, full multi-touch, ample (1GB) RAM, Gingerbread. Only cost $149.99, but that was with a 3 years contract renewal.
well i already have the HTC HD2, which runs android flawlessly. The only thing is it doesn't look/feel as nice as the X10.
If the xperia DUO appears to be real i am concidering it, i always loved the stability in SE software, even if updates takes a little longer some times and i really like the camera quality of the X10 and Arc.
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samsung galaxy s2 by far...
nothing else at the moment can compare