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I have found a couple of open wireless networks. I was wondering how i can access the HDD's of PC's on the network?
i doubt anyone will reply to you mate..
Errrm, you'll need a network browser (like resco file explorer which can do it) and access to the PC's hard drive to be allowed by the computer in question.
Thankfully, access is not granted by default.
Good luck with your 1337 haX0ring.... {/sarcasm}
:x
Not a good idea to be asking this here. Unless those PC's are yours, I'd advise you to ask you question somewhere else.
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dangerous_dom said:
I have found a couple of open wireless networks. I was wondering how i can access the HDD's of PC's on the network?
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Just because you can does not mean you should.
Didn't your parents teach you right from wrong? Not that I'm an angel, but there are some things you just should not do, especially when your behavior creates victims.
If you do, be sure to tell us how the smell is up there, while your sniffing your way around their backsides..... :evil: :roll:
Don't bother trying to debate this. You'd be wrong to do it and that's a fact.
dangerous_dom: getting access to a network doesn't necessarily give you access to anything else other then the network.
You might want to run a port scanner to find open ports, target vulnerable ports and reverse map open network shares.
However, any sensible PC user should shut down unnecessary open ports, disable public shares and use a good firewall. Find out how to get around these issues and you'll be getting somewhere.
An open wifi network is much like a wired LAN. Just find out how to penetrate a LAN and access shares in the normal manner and then apply your techniques over wifi.
Beware though, it's likely to be highly illegal, easily monitored, and morally reprehensible. But then, we wouldn't be hackers if we hadn't found a way to deal with these questions, eh?
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Can I browse your hard drive>
:::shhhh::: i heard a buzz about an upcomming release of metasploit for pocket pc. enjoy :wink:
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Tref said:
Just because you can does not mean you should.
Didn't your parents teach you right from wrong? Not that I'm an angel, but there are some things you just should not do, especially when your behavior creates victims.
If you do, be sure to tell us how the smell is up there, while your sniffing your way around their backsides..... :evil: :roll:
Don't bother trying to debate this. You'd be wrong to do it and that's a fact.
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Before you get all high and mighty, jump down from that horse a minute. Who said i was planning anything nasty? Far from it, actually i planned to leave a 'note' (.txt) on thier desktop telling them that there network is unsecure and that they need to protect it. There are kids around here that would do damage.
They are my neighbours, but i dont know which ones and there are too many doors to go knocking on. I would hardly **** on my neighbours.
Did your parents never teach you that people were innocent until proven guilty? (oh yeah, your american - the US threw that rule out of the window a few years back now )
But yes, it a fair point that this should not be discust on public forums. If anyone has a way i cant leave some kind of not for them, please PM me.
The Windows Messenging Service might be open - if they've got open Wifi connections, it's likely they've got open services, so you can probably just demi-spam them with a warning message.
http://www.grc.com/stm/shootthemessenger.htm
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dangerous_dom said:
Tref said:
Just because you can does not mean you should.
Didn't your parents teach you right from wrong? Not that I'm an angel, but there are some things you just should not do, especially when your behavior creates victims.
If you do, be sure to tell us how the smell is up there, while your sniffing your way around their backsides..... :evil: :roll:
Don't bother trying to debate this. You'd be wrong to do it and that's a fact.
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Before you get all high and mighty, jump down from that horse a minute. Who said i was planning anything nasty? Far from it, actually i planned to leave a 'note' (.txt) on thier desktop telling them that there network is unsecure and that they need to protect it. There are kids around here that would do damage.
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That's really not any of your business is it? If they are smart enough to have a computer, they should be smart enough to lock it down. Bottom line is that if you hack their computer, it's unethical and perhaps illegal no matter what kind of message you leave, and you leave yourself open to suspicion as well. I'm American and I take offense to your other comment because not all of us think alike, and some if not most of us are a bit smarter and less judgmental than you'd like to acknowledge.
I really agree with the above comment. that was really offensive. people need to realize that all americans aren't alike. we're all from different parts of the world. so please don't say stuff like that because I consider it racism. and about browsing your neighbor's hdd, I think its best if you just leave it alone. it isn't any of your business. they can learn from their own mistakes.
I should advise you that there has already been a succesful court action against someone that used a neigbours wi-fi connection without authorization. It is not up to the person with the wi-fi to keep others out. It is simply illegal to connect to someone elses broadband connection. The fine was very heavy and has now set a precedent in law.
Don't believe it ? see here
http://www.privsecblog.com/archives/personal-privacy-wifi-hijacking-conviction.html
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(oh yeah, your american - the US threw that rule out of the window a few years back now )
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Dom, if you're going to dump on us Americans get it right. You need to capitolize the "A" and since you were trying to say "You Are" it is spelled "You're" as "Your" would refer to his ownership of what ever you would be calling "american".
Damn, takes a Yank to teach a Bloke proper English!!! :lol:
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I did not mean to seriously offend anyone, sorry if i have. It was just a bit of teasing really. I was really responding to the arrogance of the poster i quoted.
I have some good American mates who live here now and i know that many Americans are not scary Bush-following freaks as the media often portrays.
Thanks for the English tips too, i just get a bit lazy of the forums. But to be honest, you yanks have murdered the English language anyway!
I wasn't judging you to be guilty of anything you did, you hadn't done anything. I was judging your own stated intent. And I stand by it. You'd be wrong to do so. Arrogance? If that's arrogant so be it though I don't see where my belief in thinking that you'd be wrong to go traipsing through your neighbor's garden for the sake of telling them their carrots are ready to be picked even approaches arrogance. Though I think your supposed good intentions smack of arrogance.
Think about how you might feel if you came home and found a note on your kitchen table telling you that you had left your back door unlocked, left there by a stranger. Would you feel violated? Creepy? Or thankful? Common sense Bloke.
I'm proud to be an American, so you'd be wasting your time to even go there. Besides it has nothing to do with what I'm trying to impart.
And I did say I was not an angel, nor do I ride horses.
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Think about how you might feel if you came home and found a note on your kitchen table telling you that you had left your back door unlocked, left there by a stranger. Would you feel violated? Creepy? Or thankful? Common sense Bloke.
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Actually when you put it that way you do have a point. While i had no ill intent, it's not a great idea now i think about it.
Well said, I stand corrected.
Tref said:
nor do I ride horses
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But i though all Americans wear cowboy hats and ride horses shouting yeeha!
/Quickly exits.....
dangerous_dom said:
Tref said:
Think about how you might feel if you came home and found a note on your kitchen table telling you that you had left your back door unlocked, left there by a stranger. Would you feel violated? Creepy? Or thankful? Common sense Bloke.
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Actually when you put it that way you do have a point. While i had no ill intent, it's not a great idea now i think about it.
Well said, I stand corrected.
Tref said:
nor do I ride horses
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But i though all Americans wear cowboy hats and ride horses shouting yeeha!
/Quickly exits.....
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Actually we do all ride horses, but some of us only do so on two occasions. One of those is when we're heading out to rescue the fair princess from the bad guy, The other is when we're riding off into the sunset, as the cowboy always seems to do.
Now picture me tipping my hat to you....and riding my horse off into the sunset. Heeeeya
Well, see what ya miss when ya dont come on this forum for a day.....
Yeah, its illegal to use a WiFI network that isnt yours, whether that be to use its associated ADSL connection or any other resource it links to (PCs and printers included).....but its also a case of one of them things that you wanna do to others, but dont wanna have done to yaself
Anyway, chances are although you may get access to their network shares, the user directory that stores the desktop directory is normally protected by a password anyway - unless they really are dumb and created usernames without passwords...and installed a broadband connection without a firewall and setup a wireless network right out of the box........in which case, you leaving them a note on their desktop will be the last of the things they will be able to see behind all the popups, viruses, etc :lol: Maybe you should turn to offering your services to set their PC up correctly
PS: Isnt it the English that rode off to rescue fair princesses The Yanks dont have fair princesses
You are correct Dom, there are some good (great) Americans...like the ones that saved your entire continent from speaking German about 65 years ago. You're welcome.
I asked the police today about the legality of tracking etc your phone if stolen using wavesecure or similar in the UK.
The particular officer seemed to think it should not be a problem since it is your property and regardless of who's possession it's in you are allowed to track it.
The legality however of tracking its use is uncertain, their calls, SMS etc, but again, since the phoone is yours, it should not be a problem.
They are going to get in touch with me should further details arise.
It's good to know though that as long as one doesn't attempt to take the law into their own hands, you are ok with tracking your stolen phone and should, technically be able to use this data collected as evidence against the thief should you find yourself able to track them this way.
I don't know if this information is of use to anybody but I thought I would share what I discovered today.
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
cymru said:
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
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No, but if they steal your webcam and it happens to be set up to record all activity around it (normally related to yourself) had it not been illegally removed from its original location, you're not to blame nor at fault should it keep recording wherever they leave it, and then provide this as evidence to the police in order to recover said stolen item.
Fair point. to be honest i'm just arguing for the sake of it. Im very bored.
Why not.
Well, we could argue technicalities, my mrs is a lawyer so I'm sure she would argue it out with me all day long about how their are laws against it, but to be fair, I think the law would take your side regardless, and you could even have it permitted on a technicality (i.e. that the server is set up to automatically back up all your data, contacts and SMS for your own data security, should someone elses end up there through illegally obtaining and using your device, that's through no fault of yours.)
Yeah fair play, I know what you mean. Even if its your phone and gets stolen i've no doubt any defence will pick holes in why you were able to have access to their personal information. We all know how good the justice system can be in our country sometimes.
It's true, it's always possible you could end up wit hthe wrong persons data and instead end up with some silly sod who bought a cheap stolen phone off someone (equally as guilty i'd say, but that's a different argument), but that is why the services such as Wavesecure offer options to simply disable the phone and prompt the (new) user to call one of your preset "buddies" or 999 (or any other message/number you care to give them) in order to return the phone.
Normally though I would suggest this would be a last resort, because a thief would probably just dispose of the phone or destroy it if they find it locked as such.
You could always track it down yourself and make a citizens arrest ;-)
Section 24A of PACE '84 :-D
^Don't really do this
Yes
Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
Indeed
I personally am from the Wirral, but I work and study in Liverpool, and as anyone from Liverpool will tell you, we from the Wirral are considered stuck up c**ts and to us, Liverpudlians are violent criminals, personally, my mrs is from Liverpool, maybe I just want to have a hard life
But anyway, should my phone get stolen, no doubt someone would try sell it to her sooner or later.
A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
B) Thieves rights? don't make me laugh. If someone nicks my camera they don't have any rights to the photo's on it when I recover it. I would be more than happy to photograph their cuts and bruises as I use "reasonable force" to excecute my citizens arrest and send them to them.
C) If they do send sms from your phone, just note down the numbers and pass them on to the police too, chances are they are thieving smackheads too so might be able to arrest more!
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A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
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yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
lol kendon Good one!
As for the issue itself, I wonder how this would go in a country with slightly more relaxed laws (US for example). There, I can really see issues where someone jumps in their pickup with their 'shooting club buddy', tracks their stolen phone using a laptop etc. from the passenger seat, and go setting about making use of the second amendment (click here if you don't happen to know amendments to the US constitution off by heart like me) on the thief (or unsuspecting buyer of the stolen goods).
To be honest, I'd have little sympathy for the thief in that case, regardless of how outnumbered they were. If you steal, you really do deserve what you get. What happened to the concept of an outlaw, where the law affords them no protection from others due to their disrespect of it?
^BTW, don't go doing that just cos you saw it here.
And, for the record, I'm actually from Britain, so maybe a pickup wouldn't be used...
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Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
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hahahaha "or worse your phone might"
cymru said:
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
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yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
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LOL! This thread just made my day
Anyway, let's just hope you never have to use Wavesecure.
Well at my high school we got a new principal, and frankly he hates the texting, and the web browsing, and the in-class calls to home, so he set up cellphone signal blockers, and internet blockers, which is very annoying! Does anyone know anyways to get around these, or cancel them out? If not i will just take it upon myself to destroy them!
Maybe you should utilize your time in school learning...
I thought that phone jamming was illegal in the US. Something about property theft.... Maybe you could get him arrested!
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in the US you could just call the cops
No getting around it. High schools where I live are blocked inside and outside to a certain spot. The court house blocks internet in court room area you can only make phone calls but the rest of building is edge network. Walk out building 5 feet full 3g service. Something with homeland security.
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That would be too much stress, playing games and surfing the internet is much more fun! plus we hardly do anything anyway!
OP..
I don't know where you're from. But, if you're in the US, signal blocking is highly illeagal. However, you should not waste the teacher's time playing with your phone...
thats disappointing to hear...
You get around it by calling the FCC. Unless he has a license to broadcast on those frequencies, he'll be in for a nasty surprise. If you have evidence that he's using them, contact your local FCC office and tell them what he's up to.
Alternatively, fake a heart attack and wait for someone to try and call 911. When the school hears how you died because someone couldn't call 911, the principle better be prepared for jail time.
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You get around it by calling the FCC. Unless he has a license to broadcast on those frequencies, he'll be in for a nasty surprise. If you have evidence that he's using them, contact your local FCC office and tell them what he's up to.
Alternatively, fake a heart attack and wait for someone to try and call 911. When the school hears how you died because someone couldn't call 911, the principle better be prepared for jail time.
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hahaha nice alternative man
But seriously, in USA and Canada, signal blocking is completely illegal, whatever the use is. Complain to the local authorities and get it taken off.
School is important though, listen to the important classes and stuff...I do text in random French and programming classes though
it wont be hard to get evidence, because of the fact that he had an assembly and was bragging about it to the whole school... ugh, ignorant people...
I dont know how big/small your school is, but to cover an average size school you would need one powerful jammer or multiple jammers to canvas the school in that evil death signal.
Look for an antenna/s and snap a picture of the device if you can.
But it is 100% illegal, I remember for a time movie theaters wanted to install these but of course that never happened. if you are 100% sure you can call the FCC
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it wont be hard to get evidence, because of the fact that he had an assembly and was bragging about it to the whole school... ugh, ignorant people...
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Does your mommy know you're using the internets?
Drew11 said:
Well at my high school we got a new principal, and frankly he hates the texting, and the web browsing, and the in-class calls to home, so he set up cellphone signal blockers, and internet blockers, which is very annoying! Does anyone know anyways to get around these, or cancel them out? If not i will just take it upon myself to destroy them!
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http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Public_Notices/DA-05-1776A1.html
Listen to all these do gooders lol... Im sure they were all honor roll students lol
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Drew11 said:
it wont be hard to get evidence, because of the fact that he had an assembly and was bragging about it to the whole school... ugh, ignorant people...
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Are you certain that he is using an active signal jammer, and not that he had the classrooms painted and installed EM blocking screening material in the windows?
Active is illegal. I provided the link above.
Passive blocking through materials that naturally attenuate signal is not.
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Does your mommy know you're using the internets?
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Really ? Seriously ?
My kids all had cell phones in high school, and even jr high.
It is what it is, get used to it.
I have no idea if my school is jamming. I get 3G in certain small areas. If I move my phone 4"+ away, I lose signal. Maybe it's just thick walls.
Forget the interwebs... you should be snapping photos of all the hunnies
Cream of the crop of XDA in this tread...
http://http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mob/2327488580.html
Hello my name is john.
I am able to modify your
HTC EVO 4g.
to have sprint hots spot for free for lifetime!! nice huh??
that means that your not paying an extra 30$ a month for mobile hot spot.
better yet, you will get full control over your phone!
and i mean if you thought android gave you a lot of customization you have not seen anything yet.
you dont know what your missing.
============Benefits & Features============
I can put phone back to factory settings or in other words unroot your phone if you needed to send it to sprint for service
Upgrade your phone to Ginerbread! (Froyo aka 2.2 is the current version for evo) Gingerbread aka 2.3.3 has not been officially released.
Custom ROMS enable you to get better battery life, and can make your experience better!
Full control over everything in your phone.
you can overclock your phone for better performance!
I will perform a full backup of your contacts so you wont lose anyone.
Free wireless hotspot & tethering to your pc
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
New animations and you can change your boot startup! yes its possible
Create a recovery just incase of system failure
Get rid off the sprint crap off your phone that slow down your phone!
Hey check this out. when you press the stand by button. there is a cool animation. this is one of my favorite things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClA8sU5SH8
how cool is that? now whens the last time that you saw a cell phone do that!
For only 60 dollars, and the process takes only about 30 mins or less.
you can sit and watch while i do it.
Cash only accepted. Sorry
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lame
Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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Eh there's a lot of people that are completely clueless when it comes to this kind of stuff. Not only clueless, but too scared to even try it and don't want to take the time to learn it.
If you can make some change, take advantage of it. *shrug*
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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stimpyshaun said:
I don't think that this is ok at all... he is using free wifi tether to lure people in, people that shouldn't be messing with root and flashing. and wow 60$ glad to know this ass hole is making killer money off of other peoples time and work
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Haha!
Well, heh... I didn't say he wasn't an asshole. However... I don't care, though. You going to backtrace it and report him to teh cyber police? If some poor fool wants to pay this clown $60 -- well, that's their problem.
I like this part.
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4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
KB112 said:
I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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rofl...
"My custom ROM I install on your phone"
There's no way this guy developed a ROM. Someone needs to email him and ask him for more information.
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Yep. Old news. People do this. It's stupid. Whatever.
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what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
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I like this part.
============Benefits & Features============
4g will work with my custom rom i install on your phone.
I bet he tells this to people that live in 3G areas. lol Now your 4Geez will work.
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chicago is a 4g area...
rotfl... +1 you now have 4geez and the wifi's isn't that a deal
Ha ha I was making.money of jailbraking my friends iPhone and ipods for $10 bucks each but it all started for free but this one for 60$ mm I should start doing that Lmao jk
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cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your lawn care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
starplaya93 said:
How is not knowing that you are capable of rooting your phone make you "lazy...ignorant...stupid"
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
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Most people simply do not know what rooting its and that is in know way there fault....
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again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
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What this guy is doing is wrong and is unjustifiable.
$60 reallY? I bet he's as pathetic in real life as he is online.
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not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
cnstarz said:
what? please explain how luring stupid people into paying for something that they can have free, is stupid? he's capitalizing off their laziness and ignorance. that's not stupid at all. how do you think most american businesses make their money? off of stupid/ignorant customers that dont know how to figure things out for themselves. it's no different than soliciting flyers for your o care business. yeah, they can mow their lawns themselves, and trim around the house. they can even do a little bit of research so they can figure out for themselves how to keep their lawns green year-round. but do they? hell no. you'd be stupid to not take advantage of that and make a quick buck.
chicago is a 4g area...
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Everything about this is garbage ... do I care? No. Some folks definitely have a stronger opinion of this than others. He takes others work and 'passes it off' as his own. I don't deny that people can't be bothered to do this stuff and will pay others for the 'work' but the wording is always the funny part. Its like me posting a listing and utilizing everyone else's contributions.
Its stupid. It's ****ing stupid and you are ****ing stupid if you pay someone to do something like this. Its like charging people to upgrade their HDD in their PS3 because they're too dense to do it themselves. Its laughable. I say whatever because there isn't anything really 'wrong' with it as this **** happens all the time ... doesn't make it any less stupid / hilariously lame. I don't, personally, care. But its still stupid.
For all I know its someone here doing it .. hell, I could do this. Its sad and cheap.
End of story.
*for your argument with lawn care ... its like cutting the grass, trimming and tossing down weed killer but you act like you are the one working the magic. 'My lawn fertilizer and weed killer is unlike anything you've ever seen. But, if in the future, weeds pop up then I cannot he blamed.' Its the wording that irks me. And it is stupid. I don't deny there are stupid and worthless people out there ... but that doesn't change the fact that this is bull****. As said, some get more worked up over this than others ... I think it would he funny to meet up with this chode and call him out though. 'Personally the screen off animation I love' or whatever he says ... c'mon, grade A chode. He is using other people's work ..
.... it would ALMOST be like 'borrowing' your neighbor's lawnmower to mow someone elses grass and get paid for it. Following along with your stupid lawnmowing analogy. Its not the end of the world ... but it is stupid. No ifs, ands or butts. Again, I don't care. Whatever, as I said. Still, stupid. And, yes - it's a fact - the majority are morons. And at the rate of Android's growth ... potential gold mine here ... doesn't change the fact its 'semi-bull****.'
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I've seen people on CL ASKING to pay for someone to root their phone. I always email them right away, tell them about the one click root method with the video walkthrough, and to save their money. Craigslist is full of ****heads and scammers, but this is a service that people want, and just don't know where to get good information. I always get thank you emails after for showing them XDA, and saving them money.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with what the guy is doing. He's offering his services for a fee... Capitalism at its best!
You think how much time you've spent learning how to do this, familiarizing yourself with the process. Learning what to do when something goes wrong, etc, etc. If you're a youngin or unemployed, you have time to do this. Some people are not tech savvy, not computer literate, and think cmd is some highly technical code. These people will pay you for results.
If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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are you ignorant of the definition of "ignorant?" laziness, is a definite possibility because maybe they dont feel like doing all the research required to know how to root your phone, and learn all the lingo too. also, maybe people are scared to root their phones.
again, that is ignorance. in today's society, you cannot possibly tell me that "most" people are 100% unaware of what rooting is, or that it even exists. stop lying to yourself. even if someone that saw the post didn't know what it was, they could easily ask one of their nerd friends what is is. and if they don't, and they just decide to pay the dude $60 to root their phone -- guess what that makes them? stupid.
not unjustifiable at all. as i mentioned earlier, it's no different than soliciting flyers for a lawn-care business, or any other business that capitalizes on skills/knowledge that is freely and widely available for anyone to obtain.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc. They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing. Just because it's the status quo doesn't justify it...That is ignorant.
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If you know what you are doing and can deliver, there's nothing wrong with marketing your skills. There is information out there on how to change the head gasket for my car, or install a new clutch. I don't have the right tools or the inclination to get under the hood to do this myself. I take the car to a repair facility. Same concept here.
Or better yet, why go to a doctor... There are books you can read to research your illness and determine a course of therapy. The list goes on and on.
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Its not quite the same ... I mean, I get what you're saying ... but, skills? You aren't doing anything but taking someone else's work and using it for your financial betterment. Your argument would make more sense if you were repairing hardware or something ... acknowledgment isn't given for the people that have set up these simple and idiot proof root methods ... or the ROMs themselves. Sure, they might not say they 'made' the ROMs or rooting methods ... but they didn't say they didn't, either. And they don't have to do as much. I really don't care, and dont take my multiple posts as such, but its not really the same as all the things mentioned. Especially the doctor ****. LOL
Again, Im up late so that's the only reason I'm posting ... not hating, and if you are too dense or too busy to bother .... so be it. But I wont try to trivialize it with some bull**** analogies. I get people are lazy and stupid ... but don't throw the word 'skills' out here when my 13 year old cousin with some random palsy could pull this off. Its a cheap way to take advantage of people. Nothing more. Wording and acting like it's so much more than it is ... its a crock. Throughout time people have been doing this ... doesn't make it right or less garbage. This is a specific exploitation of someone else's work / services. This isn't changing some gasket in an automobile that fits across the board. This is a pretty specific exploitation.
Surgery is a skill and service ... coming over to make you a sandwich is about what this equates to. Don't mix 'skills' and 'near still born babies incapable of doing anything for themselves' as a service or a skill. More power to you if you can make money doing this ... but it is stupid. And sad.
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Am I ignorant? I don't know, i'll let god be the judge of that. I do know one thing though, i'd much rather be ignorant than a low life moron.
The majority of people who do not know how to root there phones are not ignorant or lazy simply because they "lack knowledge". First off, you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time wise guy...think about it for a second (just don't think too hard and hurt yourself)
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you can't be ignorant and lazy at the same time? what the **** are you even talking about??? mind = blown. please, please, please explain why it is absolutely, without a doubt, physically impossible to be lazy and ignorant at the same time.
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Secondly, how are people supposed to know that rooting even exists if no body tells them? Are they just supposed to assume that when they purchase their device that it has a stock rom on it and is un-rooted? I'm sorry, but very few people are as wise or psychic as you or they may not have nerd friends to explain to them what rooting is, therefore they can not possibly know to look on the internet for how to root there phone because they have no clue that such a process exist.
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there is no doubt that are people out there that don't know about rooting. i'm not arguing that. you said that "most" people don't know it even exists. that's a made-up statistic that you concocted in your head, probably around the same time that you started believing that it's impossible to be ignorant and lazy.
regardless, how does one know that rooting exists without anybody telling them? this is probably going to sound like i'm dividing by zero, but a possible answer is... they discover it themselves! yes, people are capable of doing that! the human brain is indeed quite impressive and capable of independent thought and education. people don't have to be told by someone that something exists. it is possible for things to be discovered without being told by someone. (how do you think america, or any physical element was discovered?)
put yourself in your grandma's shoes. she doesn't know anything about this technology stuff, but she is learning because recently she discovered that are phones out there that can do many things. these phones can let you browse the internet, use your phone as a hotspot, will even let you video chat with your grandchildren, and they even have these touchscreens that allow you to just use your fingers instead of having to press a bunch of buttons! amazing! being the curious little grandma that she is, she goes home, opens up internet.com, and decides to type "evo smartphone" into her AskJeeves toolbar that she has installed. Her mind is opened to a plethora of information where she discovers what is possible with these phones. She does her research and decides that she wants one.
the moral of the story? she wants a ****ing smartphone because of its capabilities, and she didn't learn everything she knew about because of someone telling her about it -- she did her research. "most" people dont just walk into a sprint store and buy an android smartphone not knowing what it is capable of. these people have played with sprint's demo phones, they have played with their friends' phones, they have watched youtube videos of it in action. they know what the **** the phone is capable of. being the curious humans that we are, a majority of us know for a fact that the things we buy are not limited just to what the manufactures make us believe. so don't give me that bull**** statement that you have to be psychic or have nerd friends with gadget toys to figure things out for yourself.
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this does not make them ignorant because they aren't choosing to not know how to root, they simply haven't learned the facts (and yes, the majority of people have no clue what rooting is, so go pat yourself on the back for being superior to all of these ignorant lazy people)
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okay okay, i see what you're talking about now. you seem to think that being ignorant requires one to CHOOSE to not be informed or educated. very wrong. look it up.
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Lastly, most of these people on craigslist doing this junk tend to focus their advertising on customizable roms, free tethering, overclockingg, etc etc.
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i concur.
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They rarely emphasize the fact that they are rooting the phone which is wrong.
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explain further. what is it that you are saying is wrong: not telling people that you are rooting the phone; or the simple act of rooting the phone?
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Taking advantage of consumers lack of knowledge is not a good thing.
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this sentence is very subjective. it's good for the person taking advantage of it because that means money in his pockets and some extra food on the table for his family. it's not good for the person being taken advantage of because he/she could be doing all this for free. being taken advantage of, and then realizing that you've been taken advantage of could be good for the customer because maybe that's what it takes to open his eyes and learn from his mistakes. in that case, it could be a good thing for both parties.
now, i dont necessarily agree with his tactics. i do feel that he should just be educating people; doing it for free or even much cheaper; or be more clear (and honest) when explaining what he is doing. but, that is not the case. he's simply trying to make a quick buck, and it might be working. that doesn't make him stupid or a moron. shady? sneaky? sure, but definitely not stupid.
Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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Some people are mad they aren't doing this....
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With all the money made from selling weed on the side ... who can be bothered with such trivial exploitation? You think THIS is easy money? Pssh.
And I never said HE was stupid ... but that this practice is stupid. And old. Its been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. Its been happening for a while ... old news ... its so 'whatever.' *gimpy Hipster wrist*
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So I've been a big fan of Android phones since their first release. I never bought into the IOS hype. I'd like to get into that kind of thing. So how does someone get into such business? College courses or do you have to find a company and work your way up?
BTW FAIL on the thread title... noticed it after I posted it -__-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1628565 hope you do well.
I saw that and I've been studying, reading many guides and such, but I was wondering how to get into the actual business because I know all of the devs here do it out of their free time. I was wondering how to actually be behind the making of the next big thing in smartphones. I know it can't certaintly be by working at T-Mobile by just selling phones (Which btw I applied and I'm hoping for a call back lol) So yeah... any insight?
i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe
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i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe
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Damn it. Sounds amazing! Oh well.
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i know that high school and college students have a chance to work at Intel as an intern over the summer... i'm trying to see if i can get in hehe
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I thought Intel only made computers??
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I thought Intel only made computers??
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They make computers?
They make CPU's lol, or at least that's what they're most famous for
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They make computers?
They make CPU's lol, or at least that's what they're most famous for
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I musta been thinking of something else lol
Salviikiddd said:
So I've been a big fan of Android phones since their first release. I never bought into the IOS hype. I'd like to get into that kind of thing. So how does someone get into such business? College courses or do you have to find a company and work your way up?
BTW FAIL on the thread title... noticed it after I posted it -__-
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I think that in order for you to actually get recognized and make android (or whatever smartphone os) a career for you, you will need some kind of college education, like most careers today. As for what you'd major in and etc., I'm not exactly sure, but my college offers a mobile applications class and etc. under computer science and I'm thinking about trying to get into it,.but it also seems like a waste of time for the fact all of this can be learned w/o taking courses b/c of all the tutorials and programs available today and you can teach yourself. So I'm not sure what to do, but its something I'm interested in as well so I may ask about it in the computer science department whenever I get the chance to...
As for working at T-Mobile...that job is a joke unless you live in a major city or something.
To my experience, the employees at T-Mobile don't know how to do anything other than operate a phone, tell you its selling points and process the order and contracts or w/e.
You don't have to know **** about phones and can still work there.
For ex: I live right outside of Nashville, there's quite a few places where you can get T-Mobile, like in the mall there's about 3 kiosks for T-Mobile and there's a T-Mobile store right across from the mall. I talked to the guys at the kiosks all the time cause I used to work at Hollister and A&F, and they don't know much about phones at all. I worked in the front of the stores as a greeter and they'd have a kiosk right in front of my store, so I'd walk straight from the store to their kiosk and talk about phones with them and they'd be like "why do you work at those stores and know so much about phones?" It wasn't so much that I knew a lot about phones, it was what I assumed to be basic knowledge for anyone that is surrounded by and works with phones all day.
And another example, there's a T-Mobile store right by my campus, but this isn't really a major city, so this is like the only one unless you'd travel a almost an hour to the next store.
Anyways they offered me a job b/c some guy came in w/ an iPhone 4 but didn't know what to do to get it on T-Mobile. I overheard the conversation and asked the guy about it and then told him exactly what he should do (like jailbreak and etc.) cause the store didn't know what to do, and not only that, they called "THE" guy that they normally talk to about iPhones and he didn't even know what to do...so I was like look, I used to have an iPhone on T-Mobile, this is what you need to do, etc. etc., and then they offered me a job. I told them I'm not interested ATM b/c my grades are sucking ass in college right now (I'm a freshman) and I wanted to get my grades up.
So I come back about a month and a half later and they have a new employee there - she doesn't know **** about cell phones either! But its not like the others know much more than she does.
Moral of those two stories: you don't have to know much about cell phones to work for a carrier's store. Not saying EVERY employee is like that, but to my experience, they are. Just like best buy employees
Its sad I can tell someone that works w/ TV's there more about a TV than that employee can, yet he's getting paid for the little knowledge he knows -___-
I don't even keep up w/ TV tech...
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Oh don't worry lol I appreciate that. So I'll do some research on some technology colleges and see what I can find out and I'll continue to read all these guides to be more knowledgeable so in case I do find any classes maybe I can have an advantage? Lol
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Oh don't worry lol I appreciate that. So I'll do some research on some technology colleges and see what I can find out and I'll continue to read all these guides to be more knowledgeable so in case I do find any classes maybe I can have an advantage? Lol
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Haha, yea. I'm trying to take the course w/ the mobile app development and stuff but I didn't think I wanted to do a computer science major, so I took the "dumbed down" intro course which is only half the prerequisite, so next semester, I'm taking the other half needed for me to get into the mobile app course. It should be fairly easy cause this other half I need is only half a semester and they kinda dumbed it down too, and most of it's online and I can do the assignments at my own pace. All i'm doing is programming that little lego robot kids used to play with, at least that's what the guy made it seem like. He said it's supposed to give you a general idea on how to "speak computer language", knowing that computers will only do what you tell it to do or something like that...
My memory is so effed up right now, lol.
Lol that sounds confusing and stressful. But that's what it takes to work for android I guess lol I'm up for it though
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Lol that sounds confusing and stressful. But that's what it takes to work for android I guess lol I'm up for it though
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Lol, how?, I'm playing with lego robots for half a semester in the comfort of my own room. I just need to make sure I don't get ****ty roommates next semester like I had to deal with this year...
Ohhh lol I misunderstood, now that just sounds easy!
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How to be "in business".. Are you sure you want it?
There are several things you might want to do:
1) Write apps for Android (and iOS too). Don't need any formal education for that, just know programming well (Java for Android, System C for iOS).
2) Develop HW or SW for the phones. For that you need to be either HW or SW engineer. That means - going to a recognized university and getting at least Bachelor of Engineering (which is a sort of BSc) degree in either Electronic Engineering or Software Engineering, then get a job in one of the corporations in this field.
And I suggest not basing such important decisions in life as choosing your profession, on a suggestion from a forum.
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How to be "in business".. Are you sure you want it?
There are several things you might want to do:
1) Write apps for Android (and iOS too). Don't need any formal education for that, just know programming well (Java for Android, System C for iOS).
2) Develop HW or SW for the phones. For that you need to be either HW or SW engineer. That means - going to a recognized university and getting at least Bachelor of Engineering (which is a sort of BSc) degree in either Electronic Engineering or Software Engineering, then get a job in one of the corporations in this field.
And I suggest not basing such important decisions in life as choosing your profession, on a suggestion from a forum.
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You just made a suggestion. Lol