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I posted a similar thread on the Touch Pro forum and had no real answers so will ask the question here.
Are there any people here who had a Touch Pro and moved over to the X1 ??
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion - but what are the real experiences of X1 owners who use their device as an everyday tool ??
Thanks
Steven
I have them both and I am selling the Touch Pro. I will write more on my reasons later when I have more time...
Cool thanks - I would be interested to hear your summary.
Drop me a PM if you don't want to publish on the forum
I've owned both the touch pro and the xperia x1. Its kinda of a hard to say one is better than the other. I can give you the pros and cons of both and tell you why i kept the xperia and sold the touch pro.
Xperia Pros
-Fast rotations speed (fastest i've ever seen on a winmo device)
-3.5mm headphone jack
-800x480 resolution (both a pro and a con)
-recessed screen which means its hard to scratch when you lay it on a desk or something
-more responsive touch screen
-sleeker design
Xperia Cons
-Worthless panels
-one of the worst keyboards i've ever used
-slightly buggy but you can counteract that with a new rom
-stupidly placed speaker (its at the bottom of the device basically right where you would hold it with ur hand)
-Weak speaker
-Not sure if anyone else notices this but when run coreplayer for an extended period of time the video generation slows down on the device and requires a restart.
-WVGA screen has some compatibility issues but those seem to be being worked fairly quickly
Touch Pro Pros
-One of the greatest keyboards i've ever used (AT&T screwed up the key layoud in my opinion)
-I prefer the more square screen instead of the wvga
-magnetic stylus is nice
-less buggy tfl3d and overall as well
-Accelerometer (Nice but useless)
Touch Pro Cons
-slow rotations screen
-tfl3d landscape is crap
-no 3.5mm headphone jack
-non recessed screen, much easier to scratch
The reason i kept the xperia was purely because of the rotation speed and the 3.5mm headphone jack. It can use tfl3d from the touch hd and it seems to run it smoother. I do miss my touch pro keyboard though.
I hope this helps
Hah, I had HTC in my hands, now I own X1.
I would add - I love panels, and don't like useless - for me! - TouchFlo.
Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Some good points on the post above.
One main thing missing though is the build quality. Xperia feels hands down better opposed to the the Pro and its plastic feel. I honestly felt that the Pro is going to be in 2 pcs in 6 months.
Panels are useless to me to, but that is no issue since Im running a rom where panels have been removed... Software things are not issues IMHO, everyone can install what they want by installing a clean rom.
The screen on the Xperia... WHAAAAAT!!! is 100 times better than the screen on Touch Pro. Not only the obvious more pixels but the responsiveness... much better feel all around. I used my Pro yesterday to get it ready for sale and really, it felt like Im using a device from year ago because the screen on the X1 has so much more pixels and is so much better in feel too...
The joystick on Xperia is much better and useful than the wheel on Pro.
Xperia has the soft buttons opposed to the stupid homekey on Pro. (Pressing OK takes you home)
Basically 2 things are better on the Pro:
1. The keyboard... But now that I got used to the Xperia's board I actually like its feel more. Its missing the number row and CTRL key (what you can get by nice little app found from the board)
2. stronger community behind the device, because lets face it, ALL HTC PHONES WOULD BE PRETTY ****T WITHOUT XDA... But there are still bugs on the Pro too, and if you compare Touch Pro's community to Diamonds; its no contest, so much more users on Diamond.
Thats the reason we got the Xperia to dutty, I honestly think he can take this device a step further. Also by time as X1 gets cheaper more users will find Xperia the more it will be developed. (NOT BY HTC, BUT THE MEMBERS OF XDA DOING IT FOR FREE FOR THEM)
I think thats enough for now... I can write more as something comes to mind...
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Yea i completely spaced on the build quality. You are right its 10000000000x better. Excellent Points.
Yeah, the build quality feel could be compared to the difference when I got the Kaiser after TyTN...
When you close the Pro you hear a "klonk", but on the X1 its more like "snap"
I think Xperia would be the ultimate WinMo device if we would get more of the greatest cooks to the device.
But also you see some of these things are a based on opinions and can be different for you, i.e. I prefer the joystick over the wheel...
One thing also is that using Touch Pro in landscape on a table is impossible...
X1 all the way
Halfpenny said:
I am getting very close to ditching my Touch Pro as it is simply not a usable business tool. It is a nice toy and asthetically pleasing, but as a tool to use everyday for 100+ emails and phone calls, it is unacceptable.
I want to stay on a WinMo platform and will probably go back to my old TyTn2 - the best phone I have ever owned in my opinion -
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
The points above are well thought of and I completly agree...
1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off
2. The Pro is a finger print magnet. I would constantly keep cleaning it (would look dirty all the time). The x1 looks and feels sexy
3. Touch Pro has got UMTS(850), which would be a deal breaker if you are in the states and your city doesn't have 1900. Also i could see a diff in signal strength inside my office. But this could be a radio issue or I might just be imagining it. Never had these side by side to give you a concrete answer
4. Yup the keyboard in pro is far better, but once i got used to x1's keyboard am not complaining.
5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool and so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
5. The two things that put me off X1 is the lack of custom ROMs and support here. Next is the stupid speaker, if u hold it in one had; you can be 100% sure that I won't hear it
6. Also I have the iPhone, comparing the accessory i get for that, x1 is pathetic. I couldn't even get a decent pocket pouch.
Over all you can't go wrong with either one. But if the small screen is hurting ur experience with the pro then x1 is definitely better. And with Dutty coming to X1, rest assured u gona have a blazing ROM
Finally I couldn’t get the point you were trying to make, if you didn’t like Pro as a tool then what’s so good about Tilt? If you answer that question we could give you a concrete answer.
Note:- I have the TyTn, Tilt, iPhone, G1 and the X1 (exchanged it for the Pro, which was exchanged for the Diamond)
Few more:
1. When talking long calls TP gets really hot (build quality issue)
2. Xperia has much better battery life (at least at my location)
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5. All the sensors in Pro are simply amazing and couple that with Gyrator you can do simple anything. The stylus sensor is pretty cool.
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
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so are the touch sensitive buttons. Esp, zooming in Opera is priceless.
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The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
I agree on both points again I might have to try Opera Mini 4 on my Xperia.
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my two pennies... (pun intended)
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1. Yes the build quality in touch pro was pathetic, I could hear a buzzing noise (by the hardware) when am on call. If i press it against my ears hard, it would stop. This was driving me crazy. But this could be one off...
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I owned the TP (EU version on US ATT) first. Then I got the X1 (EU SILVER also on US ATT). Then I went back to the TP.
After going to the X1, I thought I would NEVER return to the TP but plain and simple it was the POOR BUILD QUALITY OF THE X1 SILVER that turned me off!! See the VERY FIRST thread in this forum about Cracks in the Case! My X1 Silver had cracks...felt like it was falling apart before my very eyes.
I know some blame SE, some blame HTC...whatever! I'm back using a TP (ala ATT FUZE) but NOW with 3G/HSDPA and loving it!
Everyone's PROs and CONS are many and very valid...for me, the only way to determine was to try them both!!
-The X1 displayed more brilliant pictures and of course the graphics speed was excellent playing certain games (Quake, etc.) and watching hi-rez movies.
-I do also miss the VGA 30fps video recorder too on the X1. That's all I miss though. These things the TP/FUZE will never have.
Opera Mini 4.2 is amazing browser. Opera Mobile 9.5 too and it supports - some - flash as well as tabbed browsing, better bookmarks handling and txt copy!
As for OMini 4.2, it loads some pages zoomed in without zoomout function, and landscape mode is not supporting it at all.
However is'a great browser AND it saves data, I mean it loads like 1/8 of a real page's size!
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Both are true... The g-sensor is pretty useless IMO though (more of a toy)
The joystick on on X1 is touch sensitive... Scrolling through emails or navigating in menus by swiping your finger I find it much better over the wheel... On wheel you have 2 directions, on the pad 4...
+ I went back on using the Opera Mini 4 over the Opera Mobile 9.5, because mini is still the best and the fastest browser...
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yea its 4 way, but you have to do a lot of swiping cos the button is small. In Pro you just move in circles.
Also Pro's wheel is much more accurate, x1's button moves in 2s so its hard to pick in a list.
About the sensors...
I had gyrator pick and drop calls when i pick the mobile and then put it face down. I accept, picking the call wasn't working 100% and you had to check if the call is dropped when u put it down. But man it was cool
Yes, its a toy thing. but for me (as I would believe for most), I love these gadgets cos they are cool toys and not a tool. I would even go to an extent to call iPhone a tool (I know people are going to pounce on this)
But hear me out, with an iPhone i could check the movies (with review and trailers) running and check all the good restaurants (with user reviews and menus) near where I am. Check live soccer scores, get live updates on my bills and utilities to name a few.
Obviously all these can be done on x1/Pro maybe even better but my issue is 1. Its hard to get an application to do these and that with good user friendly UI 2. I need to pay huge money if at all I find one (all the applications I stated are free for iPhone)
This is getting side tracked, all i wanted to say is these are toys unless you have to do something specific that could be done only by a WM.
Some excellent points. Thanks all.
It is not the small screen that is putting me off the Touch Pro - it is simply the worst, most untested bug ridden device I have ever used.
I bought the device - one of the first out in September with an EU ROM. When I first got it it was a little slow but seemed ok.
Then I started to try and buy some properly licenced Sat Nav software for it and choose Co Pilot Live for HTC Touch. I did not have the well documented satellite lock issue but the lag when driving made the device unusable. I was for example at least 100 meters past a junction before I was told to turn.
The delay in the phone ringing means that unless you have the screen in your view an impatient caller will hang up before you can answer.
I have my data connection live all the time to recieve email from my company MS Push Mail server. TF3D often crashes or restarts meaning a soft reset. And the lag in typing a message is often difficult to live with. A soft reset fixes this but it soon comes back
I have tried I imagine all the patches, hacks, fixes, CAB, registry changes, tools recommended on the Raphael forum here but none have cured all my issues enough to make the tool a viable everyday device a la Blackberry (ok I know this is a Windows Mobile device by again, my trusty TyTn2 is rock solid and stable).
I have also gone back to HTC's painfully hopeless support teams who apparently are not aware of any lag or GPS issues with the device.
So know I want to try something else - the Samsung Omnia doesn't cut it for me, so it's either the X1 or the new Palm Treo Pro.
I've got to say that the Omnia can't be compared to the X1,
Omnia doesn't even feel like a phone it's a horrible piece of plastic. The only thing that is interesting is the 5.0 WOW megapixel camera compared to the X1's 3.2
Omnia is the worst Samsung I've ever had.
Horrible screen resolution, to much interface (Samsung's own brew over Windows Mobile) enlarged everthing on the screen (like its made for blind users or something) but the good about that is that is finger friendly.
There is no stylus, you can attach one but it will give your phone nice scratches because its not inside the phone but along like a keycord.
- No stylus
- No 3.5mm jack
- No mini-usb
- No Keyboard
- No tactile directional keys
- Resolution 240×400
- Big screen (Size, not the resolution)
- Finger friendly
- Better optical directional key sensor
- Screen quality (Color & much more brighter and white)
- Slim (because the lack of an keyboard)
Well, to me I would have returned Xperia within few days if I didn't discover XDA forums and Touch-HD cabs for Xperia.
But wondering why can't I just get say Diamond Touch or Touch Pro at much lesser cost instead of spending $$$$ for Xperia and then trying to get it too look like Diamond? Since I use AT&T, I can get Fuze at fraction of X1 cost.
I am curious to know why most of you prefer Xperia X1 over HTC phones that have TF3D interface since they cost less.
Well for me, the design of the x1 is very nice. Every time I whip it out others are always very interested. I also like the fact that panels can allow you to have mutiple choices of your today screen. The panel interface DOES look nice and clean cut too. There is a hardset key to get back into it and not to mention the HD touch flo is the best out there! I use the stocks tab ALL the time and I have always been a fan of tf3d. I also like my old school look today screen with weatherpanel, and now I just found the original HTC home in FULL VGA! Ofcoarse, my love for WM. It's the best of both worlds. Don't get me wrong, the x1 DOES have its flaws but I have NEVER owned a WM device that has not. All in all, its the best WM device I have ever had. And I have had WM devices back from the hitachi 1000 which started it all. What a brink that was! LOL
its makes a better device for me.
the WM interface sucks sooo much. staring apps, getting info is pretty much impossible without stylus (while doing anything else like walking, driving or so)
tf3d is just finger friendly. also has some issues but not that much.
Why not choosing the Xperia if you can afford it ??
It's the better phone all around
For me, it was not a matter of PRICE.
I chose the XPERIA because I found it to be a nice blend of high-tech and artwork:
1- metal case (byr bye my ole diamond !!)
2- WVGA beautiful screen (bye bye my ole raphael !!)
3- Full Keyboard (so long Touch HD !!)
4- The BIGGEST RAM available as for Jan 2009
And yes you can keep it "stock" (as I did) or you can put TouchFlo on it, or even ANDROID, whatever... IT's GOD SPEED. Even Touch flo will run faster in a Xperia than in a diamond
gtrab said:
Why not choosing the Xperia if you can afford it ??
It's the better phone all around
For me, it was not a matter of PRICE.
I chose the XPERIA because I found it to be a nice blend of high-tech and artwork:
1- metal case (byr bye my ole diamond !!)
2- WVGA beautiful screen (bye bye my ole raphael !!)
3- Full Keyboard (so long Touch HD !!)
4- The BIGGEST RAM available as for Jan 2009
And yes you can keep it "stock" (as I did) or you can put TouchFlo on it, or even ANDROID, whatever... IT's GOD SPEED. Even Touch flo will run faster in a Xperia than in a diamond
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ditto all that!
Playing with an HD in Orange today (I know, bad bad, was thinking of going to the dark side but glad I chose X1. The HD even though the screen is big and lovely (not that X1's is any less gorgeous) but the thing is just too bulky for me. X1 is the perfect size for me, holding the HD did reminded me of the old days with my XDA IIi and I was sweating thinking of that :OI think the point of the X1 is that it looks quite understating but under the hood you can name all the mobile technologies under the sun and it's all there
All the technologies out there at a great form factor. Only gripe I have is that it does not have even half as many hardware buttons to program as the HTC devices which allows quick selection of apps without touching the screen (stylus or finger).
I have never played with the TF3D software and so my device is pretty stock. Is there an online demo or anything I can have a look at?
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I am curious to know why most of you prefer Xperia X1 over HTC phones that have TF3D interface since they cost less.
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I'm personally use SPb Mobile Shell (not as a panel, but as separate app) as more useful, convenient, fast interface.
It costs just a few bucks and I don't see any reason to pay for TF3D.
Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.
try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore
Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.
I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......
Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.
Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...
do you recomend any?
I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.
Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs
I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.
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davideuck, believe me!
Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.
My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.
a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.
Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....
I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.
Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it
hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
I would buy this.
Just because my device is very useful and well working machine,
with top display and great hardware&form factor.
It's also small and handy, and has a great feel too.
It depends on whether you need the 3,5 Jack for your headphones. If yes, go for Xperia. If no, go for Touch Pro 2. Forget Touch Diamond and iPhone.
No. I'd rather an iPhone, for it's apps.
combo1234 said:
hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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If you are an American no, it is 300-500 dollars more expensive brand new than the X1i.
Touch Pro2 International (600 dollars) vs Xperia X1 International (500 dollars) vs Xperia X1 American (900 dollars [you pay 50 dollars tax WTF])
I would say go for Touch Pro2 ... it is easier to type, and set up appointments and all of the business functionalities are more convenient than the X1. However the X1 is a better multimedia device, aside from the speakers being much less loud than the TP2. The X1 has a very simply and very good and gorgeous mp3 player and an MP3 jack and flash LED, and it is what is keeping me from selling it.
BTW... Touch Diamond 2 is a worst choice than the Xperia and I would even rather get an iPhone 3GS over a Touch Diamond.
But don't get Touch Diamond if for business and convenience functionality...iPhone OS does not support automated applications, scheduled applications, or background applications.
THIS IS THE EFFING REASON WHY IPHONE ONLY PLAYS GAMES.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE REFERRING THEIR GAMES TO "APPS",
WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE CALLED MINI-GAMES.
SHAME. ARROGANT BASTARDS.
I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
doministry said:
I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
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1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
doministry said:
Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
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Well I wouldn't mind a D-Pad on the front, but I would only want if they include these on the front AND the back also:
Windows Key
Ok Key
The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
hatlo0or said:
My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
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Apple troll go whoring somewhere else.
OP
If you want the best device on the market - YES !!!!!!
dogans said:
The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
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I'm trying to convince him that TD2 isn't worth it. I'd say get the X1 or the alternative: TP2
wait for the Samsung B7610 OmniaPRO
I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
combo1234 said:
I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
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Well you never explained your situation, you explained your dilemma only.
Well...anyways, which iPhone 3G are you getting? 3GS or 3G?
If you're getting 3GS then get the 3GS
If you're getting 3G then get the Diamond2 instead.
Xperia's keyboard isn't the best and Touch Diamond 2 isn't that much bigger than the X1 at all. Touch Diamond 2 is less buggy, but Xperia has had 2 firmware updates now and that fixed a lot of issues. I really don't see any pros of the Touch Diamond besides that it has a zoom bar, and accelerometer. Everything else can be installed on the Xperia and modded. So instead of Touch Diamond2 get the Xperia X1.
Anyways if I was me, here are my choices:
#1 Xperia X1 or Touch Pro2
#2 iPhone 3GS or Nokia N97 or Samsung Omnia HD [Samsung Omnia HD being the most preferred and the other being equals]
#3 Touch Diamond2
Answer your question
Yes, I would still buy an X1 now. Good business use phone with media functionality. As with all things, it comes down to your priorities.
For me, it was a higher screen resolution within a smaller form factor, a keyboard and 3.5mm headphone (to save on cables, adapters etc when travelling).
I considered the TP2 but didn't want the larger size and the lack of buttons on the front.
Panels / Touch Flo was much lower down in the ranks given you can just visit this site and get anything else you need / want. More than likely, depending on your type of use you'll end up mucking around, do a hard reset and then just add what you need.
If you want to play games first and foremost the X1 isn't the phone. It does them perfectly well, but other phones are more focussed on that.
Good luck, and at least you get a choice in the matter. Why not visit a shop where you can play with them all side by side. Even if you cannot get into the detail, you can at least find the form that you prefer, then search the net for the functionality.
In the end it is up to what you use your phone for. I mean, if you like watching soaps or other movies on your device watch out for a big screen and maybe 3.5mm jack. I don't like Xperia's screen but I love the keyboard. I can type very fast and neat on it.
For me it is also fast enough with it's processor. The camera is okay, well, it is actually more than okay. You got a LED light here as well.
Speaker is weak and so is vibration, but if you do not mind that all you can go for it.
I mean, if you have a good offer, why not?
Let us know what you decide for and if you are satisfied!
what about waiting for the X2 or Rachael?
Because they are not even annonced yet?
I guess the thread starter wants something NOW, otherwise he would not have opened a thread here. Acer builds good smartphones now as well.
There are so many other options: Acer Tempo M900 or like mentioned before Samsung B7610 (what is my favourite at the moment...but I have to stick to my Xperia anyway : ( )
After having read one too many "I hate my Xperia and wish I had an iPhone" thread I thought I'd make a thread for people to remember why they bought an Xperia.
Does it have it's issues? Absolutely, but it makes up for it (for me at least) in many other ways.
I originally bought the Xperia X1a because it was the ONLY 3G capable WVGA device available for AT&T bands (850Mhz and 1900Mhz). It has a nice feeling keyboard, it has a beautiful display, and it has a very nice hand-feel. Even when I pick it up now it just feels so good in the hand. In fact I haven't had one that felt so good to hold since my old SE W810i. I had the Hermes and Kaiser and both were clunky and unenjoyable to hold.
The Xperia keyboard has a very pleasant keyboard. Its clicks are well defined and the arc slider's spring assist makes it a real joy to slide out. Also my battery life has been superb. Even running 24/7 Push E-mail and a separate IMAP account I still get over 48 hours of power.
Also it came with SPB Mobile Shell for FREE. SPB is, arguably the best Windows Mobile Shell available and it was a sheer joy to use, and while the default SE Panels were rather unimpressive I love that I can switch from Titanium/Sense, to SPB, to PointUI, as well as the absolutely gorgeous Growing Panel with just two presses.
While the processor is unimpressive it has been consistently able to run AVC Video at WVGA resolutions (some ROMs worked better than others, actually).
Sony also added a pretty good Xt9 SIP keyboard (I prefer TouchPal anyway) and with custom ROMS bringing Titanium and Sense to my Xperia I wonder why I would get anything else.
Pros:
1) Very High Res screen (More than double the lowly iPhone)
2) Latest UIs (I got SPB MS 3 from Korean site )
3) Great hand-feel
4) Great 3G performance (if you are on U.S. AT&T Xperia X1a is the best, for now)
5) Long Battery life
For those of you who might say I am glossing over some of the downsides, well sure, but this is a why I am HAPPY with my Xperia thread. (I have found most of the complaints to either be largely due to user error, or what I would call "making mountains out of molehills", but that's just my opinion).
Anyone else feel like their much maligned X1 has been getting unfair treatment feel free to offer some positive feedback for the device that, hopefully, we all still love.
P.S. - I got this idea from flamingsamurai
I am loving this phone right now.
*Opera mini feels as fast as my LEO and 3gs.
*The ability to use panels is a good point too.
*HTC Kaiser and TP2 were nice but chunky phones for me (bricks).
*The screen is just about as wide as the iphones and the device is much smaller.
*The hardware keys come in really handy. The optical sensor is good for menus.
*The keyboard is nice with good width for keys.
*Its a beautifully constructed metallic device.
* I am using vakleryire firestorm leo with htc sense activated in the home menu and it feels like a compact leo.
*No accelerometer but I use left softkey remapped to rotate screen.
* Android and Ubuntu are in deep progress as far as I can see (3 OS in one!).
Many more too.
Swap with 1ghz, increased ram/rom and the 0.2 inch for the screen and you have one of the best devices out there!
I like my X1 because it actually 'feels' like a communication device rather than an MP3 player with a call function. I honestly think the iphone looks and feels really dopey. I also have to agree that it feels great in the hands too. The way the keyboard springs open is just incredibly badass. The weight and the metal fascia just feel so classy. The panels are fun to change up every now and then, and I think it's just cool to have windows on such a tiny device. I thought my itouch felt like I had a little computer on me at all times, but the X1 is even more so. I feel a lot more organized on the X1 than I think I would with an iphone.
I had a hard time choosing between the X1 and iphone, but in the end, I couldn't justify paying the same price for a device (3G) with far less inferior hardware specs than the X1 just because of what it is. I generally hate apple products and didn't want to give in to their supremacy by getting and iphone. Sure apple's touchscreen is awesome, but I didn't feel I needed it for a phone; that's where my itouch comes in.
I found that apple's accelerometer annoying sometimes when I'm using it in weird angles, i.e. lying down in bed. I think I'm just glad to know that my X1 would be vastly superior in outer space than an iphone. You know, space-proof, just in case.
In the end I'm glad I made my decision to get the X1 and keep my itouch for my apple needs, rather than combining everything into one device. I'll use my itouch for video, music, and games; my X1 strictly for communication and productivity.
I actually love my X1 and think that it was the best phone I could get. After learning about the potential physical short comings, I'm going to do my best to baby this phone to make it live forever. If she dies, I'll revive her.
Sony eirccson is a pretty cool guy. eh is better than teh ifone and doesn't afraid of anything...
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
Absolutely agree with everything said, especially about the X1 being space proof =D
Also people complain about WM, and I have no problem with it, its perfectly logical, and if you use a rom which you like, then it runs fine. Someday you'll be able to jump ship to android. Anyways I'll always love it, its fun to fiddle around with, rather than be a boring symbian phone, where you have no control.
And wheres the fun in having a phone everyone has?
Great thread Hannigan
I wouldn't call the phone cracking by itself user error. It's true, the phone does have good points, but it doesn't get the basics down.
If I have to keep the phone in a safe vault for it to not crack, what use is it?
I like the optical sensor and having the ability to choose between the optical sensor and physical clicks for directional input. However, I hate the feel of the keyboard.
Finally a thread where people actually enjoy the phone
What I like about the X1:
The Professional look and feel of the phone
Screen size and HD Res.
Modding capabilities and Hacks and the Different UI's you can put on it.
Camera front and Back and video recording
Optical mouse pad
Keyboard
Speed of phone, yes thats right I said Speed.
Wifi
GPS
HD games/PS1, sigh....... I miss Call of Duty 2 but I just couldn't go back to Sh!ty 6.1
And most of all The fact that their very little people that have heard of or seen this phone where i live. Actually I'm the only that owns one I don't know anybody with this phone in Auburn,NY .
@Rydock I'm glad to see your enjoying your X1 so far.
I'm still getting use to my X2 (just got it this week) but over all the more I get use to it the more I love it.
Single greatest reason why I love my X2 is .... Keyboard! =) (I hate typing on my ipod touch, nor do my fingers allow for a smooth scroll on the screen).
My only hope is the 2 up and coming firmwares fixes the little minor issues I have.
poetryrocksalot said:
A message to the OP; when did you purchase your X1? Was it brand new. refurbished, or used?
Anyways, if the device was increased to the scale of having a 3.5 inch screen, I would definitely have kept my device.
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I bought mine new on eBay from an Australian retailer selling a Telstra NextG model (it comes unlocked). Only U.S. sources I could find had significantly higher prices for the X1a. I received it in February or so I think? About 1 year old.
Why do you ask about age and status? I presume you had one and are on U.S. AT&T. Were you curious since it is so rare in U.S.?
P.S. - I would prefer a bigger, flush screen. Then again it is still the largest screened phone I have ever had. And for me the physical keyboard is a huge benefit (Had Hermes and Kaiser before so I like them side sliders).
My X1 is still my favourite phone, the modding capabilities are what does it for me.
I like the fact it's my phone, I've customised it to how I want it to work, I can't do that to any other phone I've owned.
The screen is great, it runs smoothly, i can get push email from multiple accounts no problem, I sync my contacts and calendar, vide oplayback is generally good, ther are a few files that is has problems with, but that's pretty rare.
Sound quality is great, shame abut the speaker, but I generally have it on silent and use a bluetooth headset or headphones.
It looks great, the build is solid, it's been dropped countless times now, ther are a few dents, cracks and scratches, but I expect that after the battering it's had over the last months!
I love having a QWERTY, but I wish it was more friendly for single hand use.
I've found myself using titanium over any panels, and things like the wifi router abilities, even torrents, mean i can do anything I want on it.
The X2 with a 1GHz processor would probably be my ideal phone! Just wish that looked more like the X1.
I'm happy to see that there are at least a few of us who are more than satisfied with the Xperia
It's always good to hear some positivity for a change. Thanks for the input, to all of you.
It's been a year since I last used my Xperia regularly. I would like to use it more, because I really enjoy the QWERTY keyboard (it has four rows and a dedicated @ button, etc) and it's a very versatile device. There are some great ROMs out for it now as well: Sense 2.5, Windows Mobile 6.5.3, X2 and what not.
But what keeps me from going back to it is the Xperia's tiny screen, in combination with the high resolution. WVGA is mainly used on 4, 3.7 and 3.5 inch displays, and not on merely 3 inches. In fact, is there even another 3" WVGA device in the world? It looks great, sure, but everything is so petite that it hurts my eyes
I think such a small display also puts a lid on the overall user experience. If the Xperia had a 3.5" display, or even 3.2", I would have used it *a lot* more. Because as pointed out in this thread, it does have plenty of strengths.
Hi all,
in fact I just BOUGHT an X1 afresh!
I'm using an HTC Touch HD with customized ROM as my primary device, and still think that's the best setup for me. The only things that bugged me were the width and the absolute lack of any tactile experience.
So I shopped around ...
In fact I actually ordered a Motorola Milestone: I wanted to see if I liked Android, the reviews are enthusiastic, and it has a hardware keyboard.
Guess what: I sent it back the day it was delivered. (but that's another story)
And so I went back to Windows Mobile.
My new X1 (and in fact it is brand new) has everything that I was looking for. It sits well in your hand, and I mean as a phone it feels just right. I'm quite happy with the keyboard, and I love the rich feel of the slider. And finally: Hardware buttons hooray!
Other than that it's got pretty much everything my Touch HD has, minus the G-sensor (and I can live with that).
So I use the HD for business (because it's lightweight and discreet to carry in a jacket) and for navigation (big screen!) and the X1 for leisure. Btw, the media panel is just amazing in terms of audio output!
All in all I've fully returned to WM thanks to the X1, and I don't see myself migrating to Android, WebOS, iPhone or Symbian any time soon. Windows Phone 7 Series (or whatever it's called) is downright scary in its restrictions, so I'm glad that 6.x will still be around for power users like us.
Bliss.
N.