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why there is no good games for htc devices although they have very good hard ware acceleration why no games are released like iphone games the only good game i saw is the xtrakt game ported from xperia phone
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why there is no good games for htc devices although they have very good hard ware acceleration why no games are released like iphone games the only good game i saw is the xtrakt game ported from xperia phone
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hoss_n2,
What sort of games are you interested in? Genre? And if you want iPhone games, why don't you just get an iPhone for Christ's sake.
Cheers.
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hoss_n2,
What sort of games are you interested in? Genre? And if you want iPhone games, why don't you just get an iPhone for Christ's sake.
Cheers.
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LOL.......this time I did mean to quote you.........whats with all the iphone threads are the iphone forums not working lol
Never seen Xtrakt?
i quite agree with the original poster...
with the exception of Xtract, Need for Speed and Boom blocks the only other graphically decent (by which i mean 3D based) game i have seen is Call Of Duty 2 and thats a pig to play because it is not fully touch screen optimised and the lack of hardware buttons is a pain on the HD.
Yet as stated the hardware on this any several other HTC devices allows for great graphical acceleration.
so come on game devs lets have some!
maybe after microsoft marketplace comes out winmo users will get more iphone like games, which should be later this year i think
Why not check out this list of games which works FULL SCREEN on the HD
Fallen Spartan said:
Why not check out this list of games which works FULL SCREEN on the HD
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works fullscreen but not good graphics
PoisonWolf said:
hoss_n2,
What sort of games are you interested in? Genre? And if you want iPhone games, why don't you just get an iPhone for Christ's sake.
Cheers.
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i don't want iphone i just wanted the wmobile games to be as good as it
depend one what one feels is a good game and what ones feel is good graphics
warcraft2, quake1, quake2, quake3 looks pretty good to me and are free for wm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677054
Enjoy!
It's all well and good showcasing it on Youtube - But where can we all get it ?
Or have I missed something ?
fpsece.net
FerretAD said:
It's all well and good showcasing it on Youtube - But where can we all get it ?
Or have I missed something ?
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fpsece was one of the reasons I really wanted a HD2.... what other phone can you play playstation games at full speed with multi-touch onscreen controls. Just so you know... you need the supporter version to get multi-touch capable version. It's worth it if you have a HD2, though.
still, the lack of NATIVE games is present. Sure the games can be emulated but hey, is that really all there is? If I look at my girlfriends iPhone and what she has available and if I then look at the quality it really pains me that WM is such a pain in the ass, sometimes. Not that I'll ever switch to Apple, Apple is evil, but what developers for WM deliver to us is really poor, regarding games!
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still, the lack of NATIVE games is present. Sure the games can be emulated but hey, is that really all there is? If I look at my girlfriends iPhone and what she has available and if I then look at the quality it really pains me that WM is such a pain in the ass, sometimes. Not that I'll ever switch to Apple, Apple is evil, but what developers for WM deliver to us is really poor, regarding games!
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Sadly the game support for the HD2 is not great. It's made worse by the fact that a lot of the games don't work well on a capacitive screen with it limitations when compared to a resistive screen + stylus.
It's also odd that Android SH!Ts all over Windows Mobile when it comes to gaming. Not sure why because there are some. Add that to the general restrictions of MS and WM and it's not looking good for WM.
I'm selling my HD2 and got myself a Milestone in the interim. I'll miss the huge screen and TomTom but Android is lightyears ahead of WM. And as a bonus I can also have more than one active sync account with push enabled....YES!
There is no limited games on HD2...
Caver
Experiemnt13
Crayon Physics
G-Invaders
Galaxy Hopper
Hunting
Kiwi
Pocket Mini Golf
Prince of Persia
Sonic Racing
Spinballs
Splinter Cell Conviction
Tripplix
Worms
Flight Commander
Tower Defence
There just ones I have installed...check out Gamesloft, or EA games mobile...
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There is no limited games on HD2...
Caver
Experiemnt13
Crayon Physics
G-Invaders
Galaxy Hopper
Hunting
Kiwi
Pocket Mini Golf
Prince of Persia
Sonic Racing
Spinballs
Splinter Cell Conviction
Tripplix
Worms
Flight Commander
Tower Defence
There just ones I have installed...check out Gamesloft, or EA games mobile...
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I can't help but to point out prince of persia's graphics are horrible and choppy. ugh! most of the games on that list is decent with crayopn physic, exp 13 and flight cmdr being the best in terms of picture quality wise.
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I can't help but to point out prince of persia's graphics are horrible and choppy. ugh! most of the games on that list is decent with crayopn physic, exp 13 and flight cmdr being the best in terms of picture quality wise.
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Ive seen worse, and its still perfectly playable, despite it not looking the greatest.
I agree that there isnt a huge amount of choice when it comes to games that run natively on windows mobile. But of what there is available... a higher percentage is quality compared to other platforms.
I can add to the list above:
Spore
Tiger Woods Golf
Zen Table Tennis
Xtrakt
Celeris Virtual Pool
Warfare Inc
Mini Golf Wacky Worlds
Pangya
Electopia Demo
Boom Blox
Dragonball
Crazy Taxi
Deer Hunter 3D
Monopoly Here and Now
Need for Speed Undercover
Assasins Creed 2
Warcraft 2
Shootin Gallery Lite
Asphalt 4 HD
I had a supporter version of fpsece, it's really great. But I have played all the PS1 games that I'm interested in the past, so I still feel the lack of games
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I had a supporter version of fpsece, it's really great. But I have played all the PS1 games that I'm interested in the past, so I still feel the lack of games
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Thats a shame bro... im reliving great gaming days gone past myself (on my phone! hehe)
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i love emulation ....
but still moaning ....
Emulation
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Would not games on a playstation emulator piss on any crapstore offerings?
Dont tell me there isnt any decent games for the HD2 check my nice list out
Demon_man said:
Dont tell me there isnt any decent games for the HD2 check my nice list out
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:thumbup: nice
Xaddict said:
Would not games on a playstation emulator piss on any crapstore offerings?
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i dont think there is an appstore in the world that has as many quality titles to offer any mobile device as the original psone library. not at the moment anyway.
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i love emulation ....
but still moaning ....
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:sigh: =)
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Dont tell me there isnt any decent games for the HD2 check my nice list out
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Very clever of you to post a list of cracked Games/Warez in this forum you got from P***rez.org
"CBD" for example means "Cracked by Dasai" just in case you want to tell us that they are all original....
I really recommend replacing this by a txt-list
elburna said:
Very clever of you to post a list of cracked Games/Warez in this forum you got from P***rez.org
"CBD" for example means "Cracked by Dasai" just in case you want to tell us that they are all original....
I really recommend replacing this by a txt-list
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1. i took a screen shot
2. im not giving the games away
3. there not posted on here to download!!
so i borrowed a few games and i never heard of that site but i guess you use it, so please tell me what i did wrong, if i was giving them away on here i guess yes i could be told of cause we dont do warez on here, or are you telling me im breaking rule 7 by promoting warez??????
Hey there everyone!
I thought about getting the Xperia Arc but before actually deciding to do so I wanted to get clear knowledge on the performance in gaming, and maybe if there's any noticeable difference between that one and the Xperia Play, which I also thought about, but I'm not quite sure about deciding on the controller or the Bravia Engine and Exmor Sensor... both very nice to have actually.
Well, I already know that the Play is good for gaming, but how does the Arc fare? I heard it has a newer Qualcomm CPU in there, but are the 512 MB of RAM (or... what is available of it) any hindrance?
Maybe someone could try out some high(er)-end games?
There are lite versions of:
Raging Thunder 2
GUN BROS
Dungeon Defenders
Crazy Snowboard
on the Market to name a few examples... I'd be really curious as to how the framerates are on the device, perhaps also the emulation capabilites (gameboid and fpse)? Framerates or stutters or something of the sort?
Would be really great to hear some responses!
Regii
The Xperia play and Arc have the same CPU and RAM. so what i think is that they both have same horse power.
But it's up to you to make a decision are you gonna use it to play games or you wanna take pictures. OS is the same only the play got the interface to play PS games (or something like that)
I played gun bro's on nexus one that has a older version of CPU&GPU but it could handel it without problems.
here you can compare the two phones > http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3619&idPhone2=3608 you won't see that much difference.
Good luck choosing your phone
Quite right, thanks. My reference website didn't have the Scorpion listed as the Play's CPU.
Do you own one of these? Because even though they have the same horsepower, I don't know about performance in Dungeon Defenders or so, e.g.
The Playstation interface is unnecessary to me since I'd play emulators anyway, but the controller is quite attractive, even though I already got quite used to touchscreen controls on my G3 as well...
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Quite right, thanks. My reference website didn't have the Scorpion listed as the Play's CPU.
Do you own one of these? Because even though they have the same horsepower, I don't know about performance in Dungeon Defenders or so, e.g.
The Playstation interface is unnecessary to me since I'd play emulators anyway, but the controller is quite attractive, even though I already got quite used to touchscreen controls on my G3 as well...
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Wait. Doesnt the play have stock gingerbread??? So... there is a differece
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Regii said:
Quite right, thanks. My reference website didn't have the Scorpion listed as the Play's CPU.
Do you own one of these? Because even though they have the same horsepower, I don't know about performance in Dungeon Defenders or so, e.g.
The Playstation interface is unnecessary to me since I'd play emulators anyway, but the controller is quite attractive, even though I already got quite used to touchscreen controls on my G3 as well...
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Im gonna test dungeon defenders and gun bros will report back
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Ok i tested the game and it works really smooth but it uses a lot ram so the launcher was automaticly killed. This means if you quite the game launcher starts up again
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Im gonna test dungeon defenders and gun bros will report back
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Ok i tested the game and it works really smooth but it uses a lot ram so the launcher was automaticly killed. This means if you quite the game launcher starts up again
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Thanks a lot If an Unreal Engine 3 game runs smooth, almost anything else will as well. And, as far as I heard, Play comes with Froyo and not Gingerbread, the Arc is the one with stock Gingerbread.
Think I'll actually go for the arc as the Bravia engine and the design are just tooo tempting! Thanks for the help!
Nice choice and i must say how great the games look on this big sharp screen. Love the screen
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Nice choice and i must say how great the games look on this big sharp screen. Love the screen
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No problems viewing angle-wise? Heard some complaints about that. But I already saw the screen myself, a joy really, especially videos and photos.
Regii said:
No problems viewing angle-wise? Heard some complaints about that. But I already saw the screen myself, a joy really, especially videos and photos.
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Not as good as Amoled but still kinda good, heck its even better than my lappy if you talk about viewing angles.
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Not as good as Amoled but still kinda good, heck its even better than my lappy if you talk about viewing angles.
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Heck, then I really have nothing left to complain about! Well makes my decision all that much easier. Just will have to wait till a misty silver one arrives though, think midnight blue looks kinda cheap and is a magnet for fingerprints :/
here're some of the games I've tested.
Working:
- Asphalt 5
- Assassin's Creed
- Battle Bears
- Crusade of Destiny
- Dungeon Defenders FW Deluxe
- Dungeon Hunter
- GT Racing HD
- Hawx
- Oregon Trail
- Shrek Kart
- Spider-man
- Splinter Cell Conviction
- TurboFly 3D
- Zenonia 2
Not Working
- Asphalt 6 : force close during additional downloads/updates
- Samurai II - Vengence HD : not supported
Some HD games doesn't work. However lag do occur when my phone is syncing with the company exchange server. Expected though. Just make sure to disable internet or data transfer if u want to enjoy lag free mobile gaming.
cheers
Well perhaps we'll get Asphalt 6 to run somehow, and Samurai is not that interesting to me... what about fpse?
Well, what if you try to play dungeon defenders online?
Thanks for the info though!
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zanndoth said:
here're some of the games I've tested.
Working:
- Asphalt 5
- Assassin's Creed
- Battle Bears
- Crusade of Destiny
- Dungeon Defenders FW Deluxe
- Dungeon Hunter
- GT Racing HD
- Hawx
- Oregon Trail
- Shrek Kart
- Spider-man
- Splinter Cell Conviction
- TurboFly 3D
- Zenonia 2
Not Working
- Asphalt 6 : force close during additional downloads/updates
- Samurai II - Vengence HD : not supported
Some HD games doesn't work. However lag do occur when my phone is syncing with the company exchange server. Expected though. Just make sure to disable internet or data transfer if u want to enjoy lag free mobile gaming.
cheers
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I couldn't even see Spider-Man or Shrek Kart on the market's website :s
How did you guys get dungeon defenders to work, mine crashes after the intro movie? Did you download over wifi or manually from the website?
i installed it from the market and then downloaded the ontent with wifi and it worked didn't crash. but what i noticed is that the game sometimes lagg but it's not because the cpu ors something it's because the ram it gets really low.
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i installed it from the market and then downloaded the ontent with wifi and it worked didn't crash. but what i noticed is that the game sometimes lagg but it's not because the cpu ors something it's because the ram it gets really low.
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The game was developed with Unreal Engine 3, so no wonder there. Just wondering: what about the random reboots someone reported? Heard they had a connection to the game.
gun bros works a treat, looks great on the arcs screen, dungeon defenders works a treat too, how ever ive seen lag in older games, like this ninja game where u run up walls, it lags when you jump accross walls, also abduction2 lags at times when jumping
ive noticed that games like gun bros and dungeondefenders look really crisp and sharp... yet other games are a bit fuzzy, like they aint optimised for sharp screens
That's because 2D games like Ninjump only have a fixed resolution and can only upscale on high-res displays like the Arc's. 3D Games like DD or Gun Bros can always be rendered at a higher resolution.
Gotta say though that I experienced some lag in Dungeon Defenders with much going on on the screen.
hmmm.. i think if u r looking into gaming capabilities, i saw a very interesting article in the sony ericsson website stating that all xperia 2.3 android will be make psp certified which they claim that even without the keypad, the other android 2.3 xperia will still be able to play psp games with virtual keyboard
SiRIus[X] said:
hmmm.. i think if u r looking into gaming capabilities, i saw a very interesting article in the sony ericsson website stating that all xperia 2.3 android will be make psp certified which they claim that even without the keypad, the other android 2.3 xperia will still be able to play psp games with virtual keyboard
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Still have the source? Because that sounds very interesting indeed. And I myself can't find anything about this.
.::Updated::. 5/18/12
Wont update no more...i will only update games that do not work!!!!!!!!
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I have had no issues with GOF2 THD. (Galaxy on fire)
Initially i was getting freezing, but not since a factory reset.
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Riptide is also working fine.
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Everything I've come across on the Tegra Zone app works great. Dungeon Defenders Second Wave, Riptide Gp, Sonic 4 Episode II, Siegecraft THD, etc......
Jelly Defense, Deer Hunter Reloaded, Let's Create! Pottery, Treemaker, Flick Golf Extreme, Smuggle Truck, Zombie Flick, Radiant Defense, all Kairosoft Games, Evac HD, Zombie Wonderland 2, Beyond Ynth, OvenBreak, Zombro, and Pro Zombie Soccer just to name a few lol...
I've played dozens of more that I know work, but those are some good ones that work well on the 300t. 9mm I couldn't get to work, but that's about the only one I really miss so far...
CoolhandLocke said:
Jelly Defense, Deer Hunter Reloaded, Let's Create! Pottery, Treemaker, Flick Golf Extreme, Smuggle Truck, Zombie Flick, Radiant Defense, all Kairosoft Games, Evac HD, Zombie Wonderland 2, Beyond Ynth, OvenBreak, Zombro, and Pro Zombie Soccer just to name a few lol...
I've played dozens of more that I know work, but those are some good ones that work well on the 300t. 9mm I couldn't get to work, but that's about the only one I really miss so far...
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Yea u can play a lot but I wanted to make a list of hard core games
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409077
Raul69.atl said:
Yea u can play a lot but I wanted to make a list of hard core games
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Perhaps you did (although that wasn't specified), but many others will find the information useful. You don't have to include them in updates to the first post, but everyone should feel free to contribute any working game.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1409077
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There's really no reason why those shouldn't be able to work with the TF300, so that list is probably a good place to start.
thanks for the list
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I have had no issues with GOF2 THD. (Galaxy on fire)
Initially i was getting freezing, but not since a factory reset.
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I downloaded galaxy on fire 2 THD and its definately not in HD, the graphics look absolutely gash. Is this just me being an idiot and downloading the wrong version or it not native 1280*800 resolution?
Also where did you get battlefield 2 from? Cant find it on play store.
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Yea u can play a lot but I wanted to make a list of hard core games
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Well, the term "hard core" can go a lot of different ways. If by hard core you mean THD games or basically games that show off your tab's graphical prowess... you've got most of the top ones already. There are some nice older titles like Roboto HD that look great as well but aren't graphically as strong as games like Shadowgun or 9mm.
If you want games that look good and actually work like they're supposed to the ones I added are nice options; It really just depends on the type of games your looking for. I generally blow through 40-60 games a week and can put any others I find in the thread bsweetness suggested, thanks for that btw there were some there I haven't tried yet.
I picked up my tab 2 days after it dropped on-line, and my biggest gripe so far besides color depth has been lack of compatible games. There are a lot out there, but I was surprised at how many don't play nice with ICS or with tablets in general.
They like to tout the "power of gaming" with quad-core devices, but they don't talk about the lack of quality or compatible games do they...
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Well, the term "hard core" can go a lot of different ways. If by hard core you mean THD games or basically games that show off your tab's graphical prowess... you've got most of the top ones already. There are some nice older titles like Roboto HD that look great as well but aren't graphically as strong as games like Shadowgun or 9mm.
If you want games that look good and actually work like they're supposed to the ones I added are nice options; It really just depends on the type of games your looking for. I generally blow through 40-60 games a week and can put any others I find in the thread bsweetness suggested, thanks for that btw there were some there I haven't tried yet.
I picked up my tab 2 days after it dropped on-line, and my biggest gripe so far besides color depth has been lack of compatible games. There are a lot out there, but I was surprised at how many don't play nice with ICS or with tablets in general.
They like to tout the "power of gaming" with quad-core devices, but they don't talk about the lack of quality or compatible games do they...
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Il add them to the list later on today...also hopefully when ics hits most of the phones they will update games to work with ICS and tegra 3
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That's true. The One X and One S seem to be selling well, so one can only assume that better Tegra 3 support is coming. However, aside from the One phones, how many phones are being released with a Tegra 3 SoC? Well, at least those are selling well.
RolloJarvis said:
I downloaded galaxy on fire 2 THD and its definately not in HD, the graphics look absolutely gash. Is this just me being an idiot and downloading the wrong version or it not native 1280*800 resolution?
Also where did you get battlefield 2 from? Cant find it on play store.
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it is not native resolution, you do get the screen resize option in the tray. My graphics are fine while in the ship flying. Not true HD, but certainly not gash.
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supersoulfly said:
Everything I've come across on the Tegra Zone app works great. Dungeon Defenders Second Wave, Riptide Gp, Sonic 4 Episode II, Siegecraft THD, etc......
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Where can i download those games?
So what games are you guys playing/enjoyingon your Acer? Has anyone tried the games already installed.
Pd:suggest games please!!!
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So what games are you guys playing/enjoyingon your Acer? Has anyone tried the games already installed.
Pd:suggest games please!!!
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Fruit ninja thd
Dead trigger
final fantasy
Modern cobat 3
Great, thank you!!
N.O.V.A-2, N.O.V.A-3, backstab HD, mass effect infiltrator, gta 3.
while my favourite game to date has been "asphalt 6 by game loft" I'm currently enjoying "beach buggy blitz by vector unit" which is fun like "diddy Kong racing by rare" on the n64.
I tend to play puzzles on my phone but enjoy tilt control racing on my a500.
is it just me but ever since i went to cm10 on the acer a500 it recognises my device as a tegra 3 and allows me to download tegra3 games but not play them
Great Little War Game.
Great Big War Game.
Both are killing any extra time that I have.
My personal racing favourite would be Asphalt 6 - but are there any better ones out there i am missing out on ? didn't like real racing much nor nfs hot pursuit lol
racing games
sda.171 said:
My personal racing favourite would be Asphalt 6 - but are there any better ones out there i am missing out on ? didn't like real racing much nor nfs hot pursuit lol
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why not trying asphalt 7 Heat ... much better and if you can wait few seconds until it loads then you can have real good fun
Psyco-Man said:
why not trying asphalt 7 Heat ... much better and if you can wait few seconds until it loads then you can have real good fun
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I play asphalt in my iconia and I prefer the version of the ipad,trustme better grafics,better smoth control and really fast!!
cubano2031 said:
I play asphalt in my iconia and I prefer the version of the ipad,trustme better grafics,better smoth control and really fast!!
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¡For the love of gods! this guy is only posting for trolling, what is the damn point to ask for our favorite games in this "ANDROID" forum to end in his stupids comparisions telling us that he has an iPad a is much beter in all aspects, man there is no comparision we all know the iPad is better, the reason for open this section is to discuss our expiriences (troubles and soutions) in our day routine whith the acer iconia.
To the moderators: Please this guy must be banned for good he has many post like this, if he like the iPad so badly the he must be in apple forums not here.
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¡For the love of gods! this guy is only posting for trolling, what is the damn point to ask for our favorite games in this "ANDROID" forum to end in his stupids comparisions telling us that he has an iPad a is much beter in all aspects, man there is no comparision we all know the iPad is better, the reason for open this section is to discuss our expiriences (troubles and soutions) in our day routine whith the acer iconia.
To the moderators: Please this guy must be banned for good he has many post like this, if he like the iPad so badly the he must be in apple forums not here.
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This has been brought up before.
Besides, can't ban somebody just because they like iPad's. There's nothing wrong with a comparison, so just be calm. If you wish not to see his posts, then use the block function in your profile settings.
So, let's not start troubles. Clearly there is a reason an iPad owner bought (I think) an Iconia
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Sonic 4 episode 1 is pretty awesome. After I finish it I plan on getting episode 2. Can anyone confirm if the HD version works good on the A500 or should I go with the standard def version of episode 2? Episode 1 didn't have a choice, but it looks great IMO.
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I play asphalt in my iconia and I prefer the version of the ipad,trustme better grafics,better smoth control and really fast!!
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So you ask for games and criticize the suggestions we give you? If you like the games on apple then why did you buy an android device
Knock it off please. No arguments.
OP, you've been told not to start Android/Apple arguments before. If you wish to brag about Apple products, then go to an Apple forum.
So keep things on topic please.
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