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Dell thunder w/ adreno- 37fps in neocore. Possible for evo?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/19/exclusive-dell-thunder-prototype-preview-video/
Under the performance section they describe how it uses a 1GHz snapdragon with adreno graphics. Is this not what evo has? How does this crush the evo performance out of the box like this? Is there hope for us?
I can pull 32fps on a good day with custom everything. But this thing did it on a prototype with no enhancements. Maybe its a different chip, Idk.

Maybe theres no FPS limit.
I think it's just because it has a newer processor. Not sure what changes are in the QSM compared to QSD.

How do you figure that 37 vs 32 is crushing?

Nagrom Nniuq said:
How do you figure that 37 vs 32 is crushing?
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32 is with custom Rom, kernel, overclock, etc. It's probably more like 25-27 stock.
If the thunder does 37fps stock, that's 35-40% better than evo does out of the box. If it does that with the same gpu, they did something right.

This is true.
Acer did the same thing with their Aspire getting better graphics scores.
This could help with the improvement of the Evo.
The Evo gets 25fps stock, and without 30fps cap it gets 27fps.
I think HTC doesn't unleash the full potential of the Snapdragon..

I blame HDMI....and HTC's stupidity.

starplaya93 said:
I blame HDMI....and HTC's stupidity.
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They're not stupid, they're lazy...

There was a thread in the nexus forum for overclocking the Adreno, but it has died. I think the consensus was that overclock is not possible. But is overclock really needed for better performance if other devices are rockin the same GPU?
With so many devices on their plate, I can understand how HTC doesn't bother to optimize any of them. It's not forgivable, but as a business plan it makes sense.

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There was a thread in the nexus forum for overclocking the Adreno, but it has died. I think the consensus was that overclock is not possible. But is overclock really needed for better performance if other devices are rockin the same GPU?
With so many devices on their plate, I can understand how HTC doesn't bother to optimize any of them. It's not forgivable, but as a business plan it makes sense.
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How do you figure? Most of HTC's devices out the gate are Snapdragon/Adreno. The ones that aren't STILL have Adreno cores attached to them because HTC uses exclusively Qualcomm chips and almost ALL of them have Adrenos.

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though graphically the Thunder pulled ahead with a respectable 37.1fps in Neocore and 18.6fps in Nenamark.
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A couple of points here.
1. Dell Thunder running Android 2.1 stock--> 37.1fps Neocore and 18.6fps Nenamark.
2. My HTC Evo running 2.2 CyanogenMod w/ Snap --> 31fps Neocore and 18.1fps Nenamark.
Notice the difference?

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How do you figure? Most of HTC's devices out the gate are Snapdragon/Adreno. The ones that aren't STILL have Adreno cores attached to them because HTC uses exclusively Qualcomm chips and almost ALL of them have Adrenos.
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So it should be easy to see super graphical results with this chip because lots of phones use it? I get that they have many adreno devices, so it SHOULD be in their interest to optimize. But business always drives more from less. So they focus efforts on the next device. It's only us nerds that care about performance. We r a small part of the buyers out there. I don't like it, but its true.

People are so quick to jerk off HTC and smear samsung and other companies. Why I'll never understand. This is one good example of HTC's many blunders.

If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why why samsung used humingbird

If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why samsung used humingbird processor

Why do you assume this? The two cpu's share much in common.
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Why do you assume this? The two cpu's share much in common.
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benchmarks and system speed

dadyal said:
benchmarks and system speed
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Why would Samsung make their own chip? Put simply, because they can. Samsung has the facilities and expertise needed to make their own chip, and by so doing they avoid the need of purchasing chips from another vendor (in this case, their competition: Qualcomm).
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http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/snapdragon-versus-hummingbird

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If froyo is optimized for snapdragon processors then why samsung used humingbird processor
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because they didn't want to use the ****ty gpu that comes with the original snapdragon (the newer snapdragon like in the dhd has a good gpu).

Because hummingbird is vastly superior in real world scenarios

Quadrant and linpack as well as most CPU benchmarks that rely on math being done by FPU run much quicker on the snapdragon because of its 128 bit register vs hummingbirds 64. I believe the snapdragons can turn half of it off to save power too. This explains part of the benchmarks but the hummingbird has optimizations snapdragon doesn't, and vise versa,but is suppose to be faster in most real world scenarios as Samsung claims and judging by browser load time comparisons I've seen and how well it runs android 2.1 I'd be inclined to agree. It keeps up with a nexus running 2.2 which is very reassuring so I'd worry less on benchmarks if I were you unless you really feel the need to show your friends how fast your phone can calculate pi to nth degree.
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@ darkimmortal, Is it really? Then why does my n1 with its "crap" snapdragon CPU run everything faster?
On paper yes hummingbird is better, but in the real world as you put it, its only as good as the software that runs on it, and I've not found anything yet that runs faster thanks to having a hummingbird than it would on say an n1 or desire.

The sgs is crippled by rfs, no processor can make up for that. In 3d games the sgs out performs any snapdragon based phones
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It keeps up with a nexus running 2.2 which is very reassuring so I'd worry less on benchmarks if I were you unless you really feel the need to show your friends how fast your phone can calculate pi to nth degree.
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No disrespect but a well setup nexus on 2.2 is noticeably faster than even the most streamlined lag fixed sgs. The sgs wins the quadrant benchmark but in actual use the nexus is a fair bit faster.

tameracingdriver said:
@ darkimmortal, Is it really? Then why does my n1 with its "crap" snapdragon CPU run everything faster?
On paper yes hummingbird is better, but in the real world as you put it, its only as good as the software that runs on it, and I've not found anything yet that runs faster thanks to having a hummingbird than it would on say an n1 or desire.
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You take into consideration just the CPU, N1 and SGS's file systems are different resulting in SGS to be bottlenecked; SGS's main plus is the GPU power, try running those types of GPU heavy items on N1 and they will not run as well. That's the main benefit of Hummingbird compared to Snap but don't just rely on comparing CPU's, there are more things at work here.
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No disrespect but a well setup nexus on 2.2 is noticeably faster than even the most streamlined lag fixed sgs. The sgs wins the quadrant benchmark but in actual use the nexus is a fair bit faster.
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Quadrant doesn't mean much, placebo effect at work here. Just a benchmark and doesn't translate (much) into real-world performance. Remember that Google also developed 2.2 almost specifically with Nexus One in mind resulting in more benefits on a N1 than a lot of phones.

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In 3d games the sgs out performs any snapdragon based phone
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Admittedly I've not tried them all, and I admit the sgs runs the graphics benchmarks in quadrant noticeably faster, but the games I've tried all run about the same, so what good is that super powerful gpu if nothing takes advantage of it?

Try some gameloft games like asphalt 5, the sgs is a lot smoother
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Ill give it a try. Games are nice but not my main use, the ones I've tried so far including some 3d ones have been fine on the n1 so far.

Hummingbird is the processor of choice for the two most famous smartphones in the world at the moment. Our best among the rest Galaxy and the Iphone 4. So it's the winners choice.

tameracingdriver said:
Ill give it a try. Games are nice but not my main use, the ones I've tried so far including some 3d ones have been fine on the n1 so far.
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You could try using a GPU benchmark rather than a system wide benchmark to determine GPU power. Neocore for example is strictly GPU and SGS outperforms N1 almost two-fold.
Again, that is a benchmark and you just have to try out different apps and games to test out GPU's for yourself.

Well for what its worth I've just tried asphalt 5, on the n1 and honestly its just as smooth as on the sgs, so in the end I still say there seems no real advantage in the real world.

dnsp said:
Hummingbird is the processor of choice for the two most famous smartphones in the world at the moment. Our best among the rest Galaxy and the Iphone 4. So it's the winners choice.
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makes me wonder, if only Samsung could put iOS4 into Galaxy. we would have the fastest phone for sure,
unfortunately they builded Apple hardware and loaded crapy Android,

tameracingdriver said:
Well for what its worth I've just tried asphalt 5, on the n1 and honestly its just as smooth as on the sgs, so in the end I still say there seems no real advantage in the real world.
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Sorry mate but I have to disagree. Having owned a Nexus One, a HTC Desire and a SGS, I can tell you that the Nexus One was the fastest for opening apps, market, etc. The SGS fell between the nexus and the desire. I think each processor has been optimised for different things.
There is a HUGE difference in the graphics department. Asphalt, especially the old hardware accelerated versions (the new ones are dumbed down so they work on the snapdragon phones) were extremely laggy on the nexus and desire. on the SGS theyre very smooth and dont have the annoying multitouch bug.
Try the other gameloft games (sandstorm), polarbit (toon warz), pretty much all of the (few) 3d intensive apps. Very noticeable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNt1EQYheQ
the difference in performance was the reason I switched, esp the annoying multi touch, and welcomed my way into a world of sgs lag issues and a non working gps
Im not a big gamer but I do occasionally pull out a title. The differences in the processors is also apparent if you use rockplayer to watch videos.
imho, I preferred the hardware and AOSP feel of the nexus but wish the hummingbird processor+gpu had been used instead of the snaprdragon (or alternatively the snapdragon with a better gpu).

sonci said:
makes me wonder, if only Samsung could put iOS4 into Galaxy. we would have the fastest phone for sure,
unfortunately they builded Apple hardware and loaded crapy Android,
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I hope you're kidding on this one!
iOS is a closed system with a closed mind. Apps have to go trough intensive aprouval for the AllMighty and AllKnowing apple before hitting the market and, for small idiotic mistake, like a logo to close to the one of the AllMighty, it won't be aprouved.
And not to talk about all the iTune that you have to install just to get it to sync/update... you think Kies is crappy, try iTune on windows...you'll get a couple of services in the background in bonus with the resource hog app!
And, on another note, you should all take in consideration all the GPU intessive task in android, Gaming is only part of it... don't forget browsing, gallery, video playback (you can record a 720p video and watch it back full fluid).
Frankly, I don't realy get all the fuss about the so called "lag" on SGS... I don't realy get any at all and I'm still on the original (no lag fix) rom...

Epic 4g vs tegra 2...

So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.

Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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lviv73 said:
Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
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The Tegra 2 GPU is not 3-4 times more powerful...if anything the GPU is where the Epic is closest to the Tegra 2..(of course the Tegra 2 GPU supports some nice new protocols but in terms of raw power)
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So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Here is the things to consider besides quadrant being flawed:
1) The Tegra 2 right now is not optimized and is not using the dual core..its only using 1 core..Dual Core support and optimizations will come with Honeycomb..
2) The Hummingbird is also not optimized and will be optimized in Gingerbread
3) The GPU on the Epic dithers at 24bit while Tegra 2 still does 16bit dithering...
4) The GPU on the Epic is FPS locked...so its definitely capable of more..
Its kinda hard to say what the performance will be of both once the smoke clears..but the Tegra 2 is 40nm and is based of Cortex A9 which give it a lot of advantages..the disadvantages would lie in whether or not applications would support dual core and if they will when and how efficiently..
I estimate though Tegra 2 would definitely win on CPU processing from 25%-100% depending on whether or not it can use both cores..and in terms of GPU it would be around the same to 50% better depending if there is dual core support or not...(assuming that we unlock the FPS and find a way to make it dither the same amount of bits)
Edit: Forgot to add a conclusion~~
Conclusion is that a Tegra 2 is definitely an upgrade BUT until Honeycomb comes into play we would definitely be competitive...beyond that we won't be a slouch(I mean people still use EVOs even though ours is superior by a good margin)..but its no question Tegra 2 will surpass us..
Oh and on the Nvidia tibit...I am pretty pissed at them after what they did with the laptops..they have been serving faulty chipsets for laptops for YEARS and bribing manufacturers to use them..which has me pretty pissed...even though I hear latest chipsets 400+ series are ok..but I probably won't be buying a nvidia laptop for a while..desktop gpus are ok with me though..
RushAOZ said:
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Usually TVs tend to be Passive Matrix OLED and not Active Matrix OLED..anyways..that said I have seen an OLED TV at CES 2011..Don't now exact size it was as I viewed from a distance and had a person distracting me..I think it was 32"-46" somewhere there..and I'll tell you this IT WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD...or more precisely in this world..it was like looking through a glass window and they could pop out any time..thats how realistic it looked...I mean those 3rd TVs are suppose to "come out" but I think thats over-rated..look at an OLED TV and thats where its at..it was simply amazing...

Check out Galaxy S2.

I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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musclehead84 said:
I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I'm sure i wasn't the only one that noticed that none of the big CES phones were for sprint.... I don't think sprint even had a showing at CES

Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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I thought it was Feb 7th?

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I thought it was Feb 7th?
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it Is 8)
http://www.androidcentral.com/whats-sprint-conjuring-feb-7

I'm personally waiting for orion to make the jump to dual core. The tegra 2 is a nice upgrade for a non-hummingbird
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Anybody know the specs on the supposed epic 2?
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Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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That is true of all phones except the razor. That was one well made phone, even see ones at least based off them these days. Those used to not break, remember when cell phones didn't break daily?

I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.

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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Orion! I mean hummingbird is te best single core...so why would samsung pass the crown? Lol but nah the tegra is probably gonna be the worst since its the first, but just because its the worst does not mean its bad at all lol
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Hard to say really...there really is no benchmarks or live phones to tell..
The Tegra 2 seems to support more new specs/features on their GPU...the Orion will be bundled with the MALI-400 and the snapdragon has its Adreno which seems to be promising performance on par with our current Hummignbird but will have a 1.2ghz dual core which might help it in cpu (Though Tegra 2.5 will come this year too with 1.2ghz), the OMAP chose the SGX540 which is hard to say how they will utilize it..
See its kinda a mixed bag...as we don't have any phones to try out..
IF I were to guess out of all the Dual cores this year..the best performance would either be the Tegra 2.5 or the Orion..:/
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I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Multi-core support comes with Honeycomb :/..but yeh the 4 core CPU and a SGX543MP4+ does look rather sweet on that PSP..

I could write a monster post here, since comparing SoC architecture is a hobby of mine.
But, I'm tired, so I'm just going to drop links and say a few words.
http://briefmobile.com/lg-optimus-2x-benchmarked-defies-special-relativity
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_90715.html
Obviously NVIDIA's stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt (it has a certain amount of marketing spin thrown in) but thus far has been fairly accurate when compared to actual performance numbers.
Samsung is using Tegra 2 (we've caught them accepting orders for large numbers of Tegra 2 processors) so Orion is either still in the works or has been placed on the backburner. TI is prepping their OMAP 4400, which hopefully will feature some tweaks (not something TI is known for however) to keep it competitive with the fairly hard-copy Tegra 2 ARM Cortex-A9.
And let's not forget Qualcomm. They may not be technically using Cortex-A9, but with their license to customize the ARM instruction set and CPU architecture as they see fit (something that NVIDIA, Samsung, and TI haven't paid to do), they have the ability to modify their SoCs to remain competitive, no matter what the other guys do. Their only major drawback is the time and money they need to spend on R&D.
Alright, I didn't want to write a book so I'm going to stop myself here. If you want to see me rattle on for pages about this stuff, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

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Dungeon Defender on the Optimus 2X
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Runs exactly the same as it does on my epic, I'm not sure the point with that?
gTen we will see if its there when its released. Until then all those dual cores don't do much.

Smartbench 2011 - now supports multi-core!

Hi guys,
Not sure if any of you are aware but I am the one who developed Smartbench 2010 which is a benchmarking app for Android phones. I've been working on it for the past couple of months and so far, I've been happy with the reception.
But just as it is the case with 99.9% of all apps, it is not capable of utilizing multi-cores.
I am currently developing the version 2011 which IS capable of using multi-cores (as long as Android used is SMP enabled).
This is a BETA version. When it is final, as it was the case with Smartbench 2010, it will be available for free in the Android Market. I am curious to see how well the CPU tests in Smartbench 2011 works with multi-core phones. I am using 4 threads that work in parallel so it should be able to handle up to quad-core processors.
For those who are interested, please download the following and try running it. The results will be automatically submitted to the server and you will see your results in the result chart as well, which is fetched from the server in real-time.
https://market.android.com/details?i...rtbench.eleven
Thanks much!
EDIT: Smartbench 2011 v0.7 has been released. It will now allow you to sort results by either Average, Productivity or Games scores. Please re-install this version.
EDIT2: Smartbench 2011 v0.8 has been released. It now offers a filtering option - you can see all results or just stock clock speed results. Mandelbrot test also has been extended for better precision. Again, please re-install this version.
EDIT3: I have just published Smartbench v1.0 in the Android Market - please install this version moving forward. Results submitted by the BETA version will no longer be stored in the server DB. Your support during the BETA period has been very helpful!

Looks good, my scores went up quite a bit after I closed all the open apps.
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I think the "multi-core support" code is working pretty good. I can also see that for some scores, they could be more consistent. I think I know why - it is the way I capture the run-time. Instead of getting the average of all runs within the test, I am taking the slowest which might be a bad idea since one thread might have had a bad luck with the scheduling. But other than this, it looks pretty good.
If anyone has any other feedback, please let me know!

Very cool. Nicely done app and there's a big difference from 2010 and 2011 scores.
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Very cool. Nicely done app and there's a big difference from 2010 and 2011 scores.
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Yes, and you shouldn't compare 2010 and 2011 scores together. The reason I treat them as a separate app altogether is because the apps are tuned differently and the baselines are also different. In 2010, N1 was the baseline, obtaining 1000 across the board. For 2011, G2 was used as the baseline, so N1 will no longer get 1000/1000 scores.
The idea here is to keep up with the technology as it evolves so that the benchmark app doesn't become useless over time. Dual-core was the main focus in 2011 version.

It appears that on Atrix, the "String" test is returning very inconsistent results - probably due to triggering garbage collection as I am using very large strings and creating a lot of them. I am currently working on a fix for this.
EDIT: A new version has been placed in the above location. Please use this version moving forward. Hopefully, this one will report more consistent results for the "String Test". Other tests look pretty good now.

Smartbench 2011 v0.7 has been released. It will now allow you to sort results by either Average, Productivity or Games scores. Please re-install this version.

Holy...my score shot up like no tomorrow.
Well, not the gaming score. It's slightly below the stock one at 2368.
But the productivity score...3040. :O

Heh I hope you don't mind... I ran this on my Nexus S. Only got 800 something productivity and about 2900 gaming, which is to be expected if the baseline is a G2 which is known to do better floating point than the hummingbird but much worse at GPU tasks.
The iPad2 was just announced and it'll most likely have a dual core PowerVR SGX543 which probably means the iPhone 5 will have this same processor/GPU setup. How do you think Tegra 2 will compare to it?

Awesome..getting some great results
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i love how they have score of different phone with custom roms

NoNameAtAll said:
Holy...my score shot up like no tomorrow.
Well, not the gaming score. It's slightly below the stock one at 2368.
But the productivity score...3040. :O
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From what I can see, it's a bit harder to get stable results in multi-core environment. I think it was a good call to go with average scores.

dinan said:
Heh I hope you don't mind... I ran this on my Nexus S. Only got 800 something productivity and about 2900 gaming, which is to be expected if the baseline is a G2 which is known to do better floating point than the hummingbird but much worse at GPU tasks.
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Actually its helpful to see other results. I just didn't want to have 3000 people bombarding the server at the same time, especially when I am expecting bugs to show up. And yes, I agree with your analysis as well. From what I can tell, Hummingbird based phones are producing results in line with my expectations.
The iPad2 was just announced and it'll most likely have a dual core PowerVR SGX543 which probably means the iPhone 5 will have this same processor/GPU setup. How do you think Tegra 2 will compare to it?
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Do we know if iPad2 is going to use a single-core SGX543 or multi-core setup? This is feasible with SGX543. Also, I believe SGX543 is supposed to perform better than SGX540 even in a single-core configuration. So I do expect it to outperform Hummingbird in its current generation form, and probably Tegra 2 as well, especially if they go with multi-core GPU config.

lsxrx7 said:
i love how they have score of different phone with custom roms
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Yeah. My intention was to display all custom ROM configurations. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a single standardized way to read those ROM names... So I am still stuck with this.... Most of the results are still reading "Stock ROM" because it couldn't determine which ROM was used.

Smartbench 2011 v0.8 has been released. It now offers a filtering option - you can see all results or just stock clock speed results. Mandelbrot test also has been extended for better precision. Again, please re-install this version.

Someone here is still running a very old version (v0.2). Please re-download the APK file from the first post and install it.
Thanks.

EDIT3: I have just published Smartbench v1.0 in the Android Market - please install this version moving forward. Results submitted by the BETA version will no longer be stored in the server DB. Your support during the BETA period has been very helpful!

I got 2038 Productivity and 1759 Games. About 600-700 pts less than the Optimus 2x which might have something to do with pushing more pixels.

crea78 said:
I got 2038 Productivity and 1759 Games. About 600-700 pts less than the Optimus 2x which might have something to do with pushing more pixels.
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There's also a lot going on in your phone. Depending on what was running when all that threads were working, you may end up with some variances. The best indication is to look at the scores displayed by the app, especially those bars that are represented by many test runs.

Hope you don't mind, I'm gonna post a link to this that you can use on your first post to link people to the program:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartbench.eleven
Easier than a QR code on the computer!

Bench

Can you guys post some benchmarks. Thanks
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I got a poor 2200 from Quadrant
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I got 2042 on one run

I just benchmarked my 2011 Kindle Fire and it got a 2016 in quadrant. OMAP 4460 is supposed to be 20% faster clock than OMAP 4430(1.2ghz v 1ghz) so I would assume Kindle Fire HD gets 2400ish but that's only hypothetical.

6100 from Antutu benchmark. Really, pretty good for 1.2
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.

Okay. Regardless, an score like that is quite mediocre
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.
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Also, those benchmarks don't compensate for the OS - a vanilla version of the OS (Nexus 7) will run faster than one that is less efficient (KFHD). Real world is what matters to me. I bought a KFHD after playing around with one at Best Buy. I don't know if the review units had flaws, but I have experienced no stuttering or slow down. It is much smoother than I expected.
Also, popping flash on there was a breeze, as is sideloading any apps (minus google apps, but including YouTube) that you want.
Overall, a pretty great product. For me it simply came down to if a vanilla Android experience offset the HDMI out (awesome), dual wifi antennas, stereo (and usable) speakers, better screen (that isn't even an opinion if you've seen the screen), double the storage, etc. of the KFHD.

I don't think the difference is that night and day, when comparing the features, although I am happy you are happy about it. The only reason I truly want one of these is because my nexus had been having a lit of issues.
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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4460 vs 4470
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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shook187 said:
Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD is by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.

^^^^^^
And all the while chips are getting faster and faster.
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rp3 said:
ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Is the difference between the two that extreme?crazy
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Now 6700 from Antutu benchmark. Sweet.
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Most of the literature I've seen says the KFHD 7 has a 4460 with an SGX544 (not an SGX540). Is this even possible ?

It would be great if it was. I don't think amazonvwants to desperate the two in hardware to the extreme of what others are saying
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seabiscuit68 said:
To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.
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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.

hax0red said:
It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.
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Just curious, what does it mean it is running as a virtual machine? Thank you
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