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I've had a an EVO since day one & absolutely loved the phone, but being the phone junkie I am, I had to grab an Epic as well & not so sure about my decision. I mean I can always fall back to the EVO, but there are a lot of nice benefits of the Epic...
- The screen is absolutely gorgeous(thats a given)
- I'm 50/50 on the physical keyboard & actually find I use Swype just as much
- The Hummingbird destroys the Snapdragon
But, battery life is even worse than on the EVO sadly. I mean I even have my home screen pretty much all black, as that supposedly uses zero power & can barely make it through an 8 hour work day with light use. Also, it just feels cheap compared to the EVO. I mean if I drop this thing once, I'm sure it's toast.
If I could see some Froyo on this thing that might give me more incentive to continue using it vs. the EVO!
My question, when is Froyo going to drop?
According to samsung uk it is end of september. Not sure if it includes epic, but it does say all networks so im assuming they mean all, not just UK networks.
source: http://twitter.com/samsungukmobile/status/19827474965
if you dont like the phone for the above reasons now. Froyo is not going to change it.
Froyo and subsequent updates may change gps, and 3g data usage, and increase speed. But there wont be drastic increases in battery life. It will feel the same in your hand.
Basically go back to the Evo.
I on the other hand like the phone a whole, and overall way happier with this then the evo. I'd like froyo, but it aint keeping me up at night.
I've only had the Epic for 5 days now, so I am still going to give it some more time. It's my hope that with a nice Innocase from Seidio it'll feel more solid & maybe what I'm looking for is not just Froyo, but more backing from the community with lots more selection on ROMs.
It seems like there doesnt seem to be much interest from members on creating custom ROMs, at least anywhere near the level of the EVO. I mean, I think there's literally one person working on a ROM currently that I am aware of...
I doubt that we will get as much roms as evo, however I don't think we will be left in the dust either. As for why there is only one rom dev rite now is because we don't have a way to flash n restore roms yet. Once we get that I bet development will boom.
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i think thats whats going to send me back to the evo..custom roms, kernels, sense. i wish htc had a super amoled, humming processor, 30 fps 720p, 60 fps screen, and an awesome keyboard :/..for sprint
Better than half of the evo roms are to remove sense and its framework. Fortunately touchwiz is very easy to remove but in the end that means we have less need of roms.
What do people ask for on the evo forums?
Aosp dialer. Got it
Remove rosie. Never had it
Sense widgets. Launcher pro plus
Fix the input lag. Don't have it
Fix the fps. No issue here.
Swype apk. Preinstalled.
Why is scrolling laggy? No issue on the epic.
The epic needs a radio update (the evo had 3) to help with reception and battery, a gps firmware upgrade and a fix for the file attaching lag on 3g.
Other than that its a pretty solid device.
The evo has far more that needed fixing and even on froyo still doesn't feel as fast as the epic on 2.1. The evo needs custom roms because the shipping version ****ing sucks.
We will get roms and kernels. There are already two kernels out and roms will come once the recovery is fixed.
While I love my Epic, I still haven't fallen IN LOVE with it like I did with my Nexus.
But there isn't any other phone on the market that appeals to me, and definitely nothing else on Sprint that I'd choose over the Epic.
I'm not one of the people who thinks *froyo will fix ALL PROBLEMS* but I AM hoping 2.2 comes out by the end of September and hopefully some gps and system tweaks.
We can only hope.
Aridon said:
Better than half of the evo roms are to remove sense and its framework. Fortunately touchwiz is very easy to remove but in the end that means we have less need of roms.
What do people ask for on the evo forums?
Aosp dialer. Got it
Remove rosie. Never had it
Sense widgets. Launcher pro plus
Fix the input lag. Don't have it
Fix the fps. No issue here.
Swype apk. Preinstalled.
Why is scrolling laggy? No issue on the epic.
The epic needs a radio update (the evo had 3) to help with reception and battery, a gps firmware upgrade and a fix for the file attaching lag on 3g.
Other than that its a pretty solid device.
The evo has far more that needed fixing and even on froyo still doesn't feel as fast as the epic on 2.1. The evo needs custom roms because the shipping version ****ing sucks.
We will get roms and kernels. There are already two kernels out and roms will come once the recovery is fixed.
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This ^^ a million times over. he pretty much hit the nail on the head.
The Evo NEEDED custom roms. Like whoa. There were SO many issues with it. I rooted that beast ASAP to get that phone up to speed. I haven't rooted my Epic yet. I have no need to. If you don't like touchwiz, load up Launcher Pro. It will be faster than Launcher Pro on the EVO with 2.2 (I know, because I have an EVO with Cm6 sitting right next to me).
The Epic will have rom support, dont you worry. And we will get 2.2 eventually.... but I'm in no hurry. A small fix for the GPS would suit me just fine. Maybe a radio update. Lord knows the EVO had enough radio updates and OTA updates to get it where it is now.
I'm getting great battery life. Try juice defender, got 20 hours before I needed a charge. I made 3 calls, some texts, light web use, and listened to pandora on my way to and from class.
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Hi,
I got mine Epic on Sept.2nd and so far I have noticed that the battery life depends on what you do.
On the days when I was busy with my regular staff and did not pay attention to my phone more then checking email, few text msgs, some web surfing, listening music and light game play (while waiting in the restaurant) it (battery) lasted for 12 hrs from full charge.
On the day when I was in the office and turned 4G on (yeh, they turned in on in the Rhode Island!) battery lasted less then 4 hrs and kept loosing juice even when I plugged it into the USB charger. All I have say to that is WTF!
Using Wi-Fi and playng games also cause extended battery use.
Have to note that the sales person, who sold me the phone, installed Automatic Task Killer application for me which seems to be doing it's job
I came from the iPhone after three years (I had the original, the 3G, and the 3GS). I had the EVO for a week to try it out, and then returned it and waited all summer for the Epic.
I really like it, but I kind of wish Sprint had a Galaxy S device that was more a clone of the... Galaxy S.
The iPhone was sleek and solid, and I used it with a case that made it a bit bulkier and heavier. Which was fine. But I don't really see the urgent need for keyboards on app phones nowadays. I was very fast and efficient typing on my iPhone (the text prediction on that keyboard is awesome, and I'm surprised to find that it's way better than the Android software keyboards I've tried). I'm about as fast, if not faster, with Swype, and I've only been using it less than a week. It's not really the bulkiness of the keyboard that bothers me, it's the lack of solidness it gives the phone.
When I click the button to lock or unlock it, the sliding mechanism separates a bit. It's very annoying and lacks that solid feel that the iPhone or EVO had. But other than that, it's a great phone. It's fast, got a great display, the battery life is much better than the EVO's, and it's light. I just wish it had more of a "solid" feel.
(I thought about switching to the EVO, but the lackluster graphics chip, the artificial capping of graphics output to 30fps, only decent performance out of the processor, and crappy battery life are non-starters.)
what is it about froyo that makes you want to ditch the epic?
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what is it about froyo that makes you want to ditch the epic?
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Haven't you heard? When you turn on your phone with Froyo installed Rainbows and Unicorns fly out of the screen.
stud_muffler said:
Hi,
I got mine Epic on Sept.2nd and so far I have noticed that the battery life depends on what you do.
On the days when I was busy with my regular staff and did not pay attention to my phone more then checking email, few text msgs, some web surfing, listening music and light game play (while waiting in the restaurant) it (battery) lasted for 12 hrs from full charge.
On the day when I was in the office and turned 4G on (yeh, they turned in on in the Rhode Island!) battery lasted less then 4 hrs and kept loosing juice even when I plugged it into the USB charger. All I have say to that is WTF!
Using Wi-Fi and playng games also cause extended battery use.
Have to note that the sales person, who sold me the phone, installed Automatic Task Killer application for me which seems to be doing it's job
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Ok well first of all, when you aren't using 4G, turn it off to save battery. Having WiFi, GPS, 4G and Bluetooth running when all you need is GPS in a non-4G area is extremely stupid. Moral of the story is when you aren't using it, TURN IT OFF! Also, the stock USB cord from Samsung is terrible, so invest in a new one asap. Plugging the usb cord into a usb socket will only trickle charge your device, so I would suggest plugging into the wall charger that came with your phone as it will charge MUCH faster and you can still use it while it is charging without it going down significantly.
People complaining about lack of ROMs and what-not, take a look around. There are already plenty of options out there and this phone has only been available for a month!! If you would like something in your ROM that isn't on this website, quit complaining and learn how to make your own. It also really astonishes me how someone could actually want to switch from an Epic to an Evo. The battery life issue isn't even relevant in this case, as the Evo is just a battery hog plain and simple. Stop whining, download JuiceDefender, get a custom ROM and kernel with a battery tweak such as removed DRM and undervolt, and see the difference for yourself. No offense Evo users, but the Epic takes all of your problems and solves them flawlessly.
And if for some reason you still think there aren't enough custom ROMs out there, take a look at some stuff from noobnl, the king of the Epic in my opinion. And then be amazed at this.
*P.S. noobnl you are the man, I will donate for sure whenever cm6 is out*
*And another thing, Froyo was supposed to be available at the end of September, which it clearly isn't. Until you hear otherwise, just wait because it is looking like it's going to be a while*
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Haven't you heard? When you turn on your phone with Froyo installed Rainbows and Unicorns fly out of the screen.
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happens on 2.1 also just take some shrooms
lol at this thread.
Froyo could be closer than we think. An official build for the Captivate was leaked yesterday.
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Froyo could be closer than we think. An official build for the Captivate was leaked yesterday.
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Sprint Reps "Predict" it will be at the end of october beggining nov. so we might get a leak end of this month
CwickStylz said:
I've had a an EVO since day one & absolutely loved the phone, but being the phone junkie I am, I had to grab an Epic as well & not so sure about my decision. I mean I can always fall back to the EVO, but there are a lot of nice benefits of the Epic...
- The screen is absolutely gorgeous(thats a given)
- I'm 50/50 on the physical keyboard & actually find I use Swype just as much
- The Hummingbird destroys the Snapdragon
But, battery life is even worse than on the EVO sadly. I mean I even have my home screen pretty much all black, as that supposedly uses zero power & can barely make it through an 8 hour work day with light use. Also, it just feels cheap compared to the EVO. I mean if I drop this thing once, I'm sure it's toast.
If I could see some Froyo on this thing that might give me more incentive to continue using it vs. the EVO!
My question, when is Froyo going to drop?
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Question,does Evo have Amoled or Lcd?I keep reading different things about it some posts say amoled some say slcd.
I just want to know if you are happy about giving up your Evo and getting the Epic or if you regret the switch? Also please tell of any other experiences you've had with it so far
Yes. I still miss Sense sometimes but I calmed that itch with launcherpro full and fancy widget. It doesn't give you the full sense experience with core apps modified but its good enough for me. Hardware is amazing compared to the evo
Better screen
Better camera
Better hd video recording
Cpu/gpu amazing!!!!
I thought I was not gonna like the keyboard but it was so useful for my university classes (I even coded some c++ homework assignments on the epic and ran it on my schools computer)
Gps is still a downer... it works but unreliable
Overall, I don't regret the switch
Yes, but I miss the 4G speeds I had on my EVO and HDMI. Had more resources with HTC dev team too.
I was one of the people that got the HTC EVO 4G on the day it was released... man was that a big mistake. Honestly, it was one of the worst phones I've ever used. I hated the build quality, it was super flaky. I actually went through 2 EVOs within my first two weeks or so because the USB port stopped charging.
Of course, yeah at first when I got the EVO I thought it was cool and all but the coolness wore off pretty quickly when I started to see all the many flaws it had, to name a few, the FPS cap (FINALLY fixed), build quality, very laggy with HTC Sense UI, things like that. I eventually took the phone back because I actually paid full price so that I wouldn't use up my upgrade and it definitely wasn't worth wasting my money on. After having an EVO, I really started to look down on HTC. They used to be the only brand of Android phone I would ever get, but now I won't touch them ever again. I went back to my HTC Hero and after that went semi-bad I traded it in for a Samsung Moment just to not deal with HTC anymore.
Once I heard about the Epic 4G I was stoked, I thought this phone is gonna beat the **** outta the EVO... I was right, I am so glad I switched! The only thing I wasn't looking forward to with the Epic was having a built in keyboard and I rarely ever use it, ever, but I guess its still nice to have on occasion. Don't believe when people say, "If you want a hardware keyboard, get the Epic, if you don't get the EVO...", I didn't want a hardware keyboard but I still got the Epic just because the hardware overall is much much better!
Anyways, sorry for the long post but yeah, I switched from the EVO and I will never look back.
Still have the EVO but it sits on the shelf now. I haven't looked back either. Screen is so much bigger on the EVo, but camera and video capture is so bad on the EVo The keyboard is nice though I don't use it at times. Epic very satisfied
I just made the switch and don't regret it one bit. When this phone gets froyo it is going to smoke the evo. With baked rom this phone is amazing compared to evo.
I have not used my keyboard once yet but it will be nice with snesoid and etc.
Overall very happy with my switch.
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Thanks for the responses everyone! Definitely sounds like a keeper and a nice upgrade to the Evo
is it true the evo has faster evo 3g than epic?
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is it true the evo has faster evo 3g than epic?
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Yes. Epic currently has an upload speed capped at 150 kbps. I have an evo and an epic right here and I just did a speed test on both.
Evo: 1570/646
Epic: 1404/116
Other than that, I generally prefer the epic. Less laggy, even after the evo's 30 fps cap fix. Better gpu. Screen is slightly smaller but less washed out. I don't even use the keyboard for typing usually but it's great for games. The only other things better about the evo are community and vendor support. And the kickstand of course.
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i just switched from the evo to epic. seems pretty good so far. screen diff noticable though, colors better. update in a week.
it sucks at home i usually top out at 600 but around town or even at my buddies down the street we top out at 1.7mbps
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I just want to know if you are happy about giving up your Evo and getting the Epic or if you regret the switch? Also please tell of any other experiences you've had with it so far
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I'm more than satisfied with the Epic. I had the Evo for 29 days, so I got a good impression of the device and its faults.
The smooth responsiveness of the Epic is great compared to the Evo, which was laggy at often choppy (using menus, scrolling apps list etc). The Evo had touch response lag also, the Epic does not.
The screen on the Epic is also a nice improvement over the Evo. Being .3" smaller is worth the brilliant colors and black blacks of Super AMOLED goodness.
Gaming on the Epic is also far better than the Evo, everything just runs smoothly, and it's responsive. The Evo always felt like it was struggling in 3D games, and the touch input lag made some games un-enjoyable.
Having the keyboard is not a major deal for me, but it's nice that it's there for certain situations. I use Swype most of the time.
Battery life is better also.
The Epic has its faults too, but to me, they are less egregious than the Evos.
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I'm more than satisfied with the Epic. I had the Evo for 29 days, so I got a good impression of the device and its faults.
The smooth responsiveness of the Epic is great compared to the Evo, which was laggy at often choppy (using menus, scrolling apps list etc). The Evo had touch response lag also, the Epic does not.
The screen on the Epic is also a nice improvement over the Evo. Being .3" smaller is worth the brilliant colors and black blacks of Super AMOLED goodness.
Gaming on the Epic is also far better than the Evo, everything just runs smoothly, and it's responsive. The Evo always felt like it was struggling in 3D games, and the touch input lag made some games un-enjoyable.
Having the keyboard is not a major deal for me, but it's nice that it's there for certain situations. I use Swype most of the time.
Battery life is better also.
The Epic has its faults too, but to me, they are less egregious than the Evos.
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Really? The battery life is BETTER? how is that possible. If you use the phone (epic) normally at all it barley lasts a full work day and it certianly wouldn't last into the afterwork party time which is when it's VERY important!!
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Really? The battery life is BETTER? how is that possible. If you use the phone (epic) normally at all it barley lasts a full work day and it certianly wouldn't last into the afterwork party time which is when it's VERY important!!
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try a different kernel.
My Epic easily lasts me all day long.... but for those times when I'm doing heavy duty movie watching or game playing, I keep a spare battery handy. Small and easy to carry around.
It definitely lasts longer than the EVO's did, even with a different kernel.
So far I'm much happier with the Epic than I was with the EVO....... but I'm a speed freak and the EVO's processor was just too outdated for me.
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Really? The battery life is BETTER? how is that possible. If you use the phone (epic) normally at all it barley lasts a full work day and it certianly wouldn't last into the afterwork party time which is when it's VERY important!!
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Why are questioning what he said about battery life? Are disappointed that he said the battery life is better? You seem to really not like the EPIC. So take it back. Why do you keep the phone? Are you here just trolling to be negative or are you here to contribute to the community?
I got the evo on release day. It was my first smart phone. I thought it was bad ass. I dropped it in the toilet and then my problems started. I called sprint to issue an insurance claim. I told them I lost it. They told me I didn't have insurance on the phone. After fighting with them for a a week about it they told me they if I signed I new 2 year contract I cab get another evo as I upgraded again. They also credited my account 150. I couldn't find another evo any where. Then I found out bout the epic. I haven't looked back yet.
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I got my evo on 6/12, just picked up my epic 9/25. It was long enough for me to realize that while the evo is quite baller, especilly coming from the G1, it was undercooked.
We all know the problems it had/has. The one that gets me the most though is having all that power and still having to cap the framerate. That, and the insane compression of mms images, but that's a sense issue.
So far I'm REAL ****ing happy with it. I really missed a good hw keyboard. The screen and camera are mighty impressive and touchwhiz isn't nearly as offensive/intrusive as sense (its more like a theme imo) when you get adw on it.
This thing is going to set the standard once it receives 2.2.
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Why are questioning what he said about battery life? Are disappointed that he said the battery life is better? You seem to really not like the EPIC. So take it back. Why do you keep the phone? Are you here just trolling to be negative or are you here to contribute to the community?
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listen bryan, I'm asking him because I am playing with the IDEA of trading the epic for the evo. however if the EVO is WORSE on battery in stock form then I guess I should just go jump of the Brooklyn bridge
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however if the EVO is WORSE on battery in stock form then I guess I should just go jump of the Brooklyn bridge
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Let us know if you get 4G on the way down.
I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
jpklink.blogspot.com
Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.
As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
sling said:
Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.
MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.
quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.
TheDub said:
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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BrianDigital said:
Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..
The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...
Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol
uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..
Okay so here is my idea I am due for an upgrade february first so I was thinking maybe I would get the evo just to see what it's like an see you all the hype is about... and if it doesn't live up to my expectations I will just do the sprint 30 day trading thing and end up with an evo shift. I will be able to side by side both devices since my wife just got the shift on the seventh.
good idea?
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my pre was ready to go and i got the evo because it's what was out at the time. got sick of the virtual keyboard, hated it on my iphone and i think i'll always hate virtual keyboards.
the shift is faster with a great keyboard and much better battery life. and $50 cheaper. that's enough for me.
I will probably end up coming back to the shift but I just want to try out a new you gonna have it for a little while to see if it will suit my needs cuz I don't really need the hard keyboard. and also I have rom add so I wanna try out the 50,000,000,000 there are ready for the evo...
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I am looking to upgrade soon from my Hero and am contemplating the same thing, EVO OG or the Shift. I have seen a few comments about the shift being faster, is that just a placebo because it is new? I thought the OG EVO had a faster clock sped than the new shift (why it gets better battery life).
I have both an Evo and Shift. Stock, the Shift in benchmarks, even with being an 800Mhz cpu, benches quite a bit faster across the board.
Cam seems better on the Shift, esp. anyplace indoors where you need flash. Tho the megapixel rating is only 5.1. More doesn't always mean better.
Evo does have a significantly bigger screen which is good, esp for me. I don't HAVE to wear my reading glasses. Evo has the front cam and a kickstand, and of course, the worthless HDMI port. I've never used the front cam, not once. I really don't WANT to see the folks I chat with. LOL
The reason I added the shift to "probably" replace the evo is the keyboard. I type A LOT. Messages, notes, IM's, data from conf calls, etc and it does get extremely annoying to do it with only a soft keyboard.
Sense, for the folks that like it, has landscape capability on the Shift, not so on the Evo.
Phone wise, both are superb. No odd bluetooth dropouts, I was on the phone for exactly 4 hours and 52 minutes today at work, no issues. Clarity is awesome.
Battery life so far, has been better on the shift than evo. Both seem to get the same amt of signal on both 3g and 4G in my house. Data speed tests with 3g, 4g and wifi are very close to identical. GPS seems about the same, nothing odd there.
Right now, the Evo is nand unlockable and fully rootable, the Shift probably will be and is expected, but this may matter to some folks.
The screen on the evo is flush and has been known to "peel" in the corners. Shift is recessed about 1mm, which will probably eliminate the peeling effect that bothers some folks.
The usb/charge port on the evo is on the bottom, which make it easier to hold and use while charging/syncing, but probably makes it more prone to snapping the pins. The shift is on the side, probably stop the damage occurring, but does make it more awkward to hold/use while charging.
Back cover on the evo was quite easy to remove/swap batteries, whereas the shift, attaches really well to where you think you're going to break the clips.
As you see, both have their pro's and cons. All depends on what you're looking for in a smartphone.
In the end, it'll probably be the keyboard over the screensize that will make my decision.
I currently have a HTC Hero Nand rooted, with custom Sense rom and kernal. When you use roms and kernals on your Evo how does it do? Obviously nothing has been made yet for the Shift for comparison yet though. Just curious about your experiences.
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I am looking to upgrade soon from my Hero and am contemplating the same thing, EVO OG or the Shift. I have seen a few comments about the shift being faster, is that just a placebo because it is new? I thought the OG EVO had a faster clock sped than the new shift (why it gets better battery life).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxI8vG6wT8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player somewhere in the middle of that video is a quadrant test with both of the phones their stock conditions. With rooting in overclocking the shift just goes even farther ahead. I've heard of G2. (which is basically the same phone is the shift) overclocked 2 1800 and a quadrant score of over 3000, so no question the shift is and will be faster. it's just a question of whether or not there will be as much of a development following IMO.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxI8vG6wT8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player somewhere in the middle of that video is a quadrant test with both of the phones their stock conditions. With rooting in overclocking the shift just goes even farther ahead. I've heard of G2. (which is basically the same phone is the shift) overclocked 2 1800 and a quadrant score of over 3000, so no question the shift is and will be faster. it's just a question of whether or not there will be as much of a development following IMO.
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That is promising, just gotta figure out if I am going to miss not having the front camera that I have wanted for using Skype with clients for work when needed. Also Screen size.
Rom community is important to me as the Hero has a very strong development and theme community, no way to know if that will come to the shift yet though.
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That is promising, just gotta figure out if I am going to miss not having the front camera that I have wanted for using Skype with clients for work when needed. Also Screen size.
Rom community is important to me as the Hero has a very strong development and theme community, no way to know if that will come to the shift yet though.
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As if now at least, you cannot video chat skype. And hey what's up with all of us being/formerly being hero owners?
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I dunno what to say. When I went in to the sprint store to get a case for the shift, I saw they had the extended battery (unknown rating) for the regular evo. That takes care of a major problem with the old evo. Depends on what's important to you. I've had all three 4g phones. The big screen is definitely a plus for bad eyesight and watching movies. If I had to get another phone, the original evo with the extended battery is tempting. The epic was slightly quicker with games since it had a gpu and the evo was plowing through it with just a single cpu. I'm so disgruntled with samsung, I would probably go for the more screen real estate. Good luck finding a case for it with the fat battery. It certainly makes the evo have some junk in the trunk!
Haa haa! My evo has a ghetto booty! LMAO
With the Hero being 18mos old I think a lot of people are coming up on their 1 year and looking for their next phone. Similar to how a lot of initial EVO adopters were early Hero adopters, we are the crowd who got the Hero 6 months late.
The Skype video chat just went live last week on Iphone4 so I assume it will be not too long for it to be on Android, that is what happened with Skype Voice chat as well. (Although Verizon had that by itself the apk from Verizon was able to be run on other phones, it is what I use on my Hero now)
From a battery perspective, I thought the Hero battery was compatible with the Evo, and along with ROM/Kernal tweaks the Evo battery wasn't horrible. Add in a second battery and you should be pretty good.
Now it would be even better with the shift, just not sure if I want to wait the 2 months for the modding community to pick it up in full stride if it ever does.
I need to get both in my hand to compare them soon and play with them. I really want 2.2 Sense which wasn't able to be achieved on the Hero. Unlike others I really like Sense for it's integration and I don't feel it slows the system down. Nfinites Roms on the Hero with sense worked great with a Zen Kernal.
My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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I can feed you two different opinions. Stock or rooted/custom.
I, am one of the firm believers that a phone's true potentional is never stock. Therefor should not be judged on stock.
I will not speak about the epic 4g in terms I do not know, so there will be more opinions on the shift.
Everyday, I hear how small/slow the development is going on the epic.
The epic, without a doubt has a better GPU.
Development, will continue to be pushed on the shift for the next few years no matter what. Think about how long it took the epic to get 2.2, now there is gingerbread and honeycomb....The shift already has gingerbread. Every major release, will come to the shift. While the epic will either not recieve it at all(mixture of samsungs support and the devs dying down, no offense).
In real world performance, there is nothing the shift can't handle right now that's out there that the epic can.(In my opinion, nothing to back this up since I don't know everything that's out there).
The shift, can get fairly incredible battery life, it took me 27hours to hit 31%, using it quite a bit on 245-1.5ghz conservative on the 1.8ghz kernel.
It took rytesyde a lot longer to hit that low on the 1.5ghz kernel(undervolted farther). Point being, if you want to use your phone for a full day, it's fine. If you forget your charger for a weekend, your phone will make it if you don't use it much(Mine drained around 1% an hour when not in use, my overall average was 2.9%/hour on fairly heavy usage).
I know what you mean on the amoled screen, but I really haven't had much of a desire for it unless I was in the bright sun.
I would go with the shift because it has more development and support.....
Although, I would honestly go as far to say the epic has better hardware.
I would say more, but it's 6am and I'm getting sleepy.
edit: Oh, just looked at the froyo epic update. It seems that the update was buggy(surprise from samsung?). They're not very good at updating their devices. It really comes down to, what you want. No one here would discriminate if you went with the epic.
as a former samsung and moment owner. personally i will never own a samsung phone again. the shift just works out of the box. and the devs on the shift just keep making it better. all the deving on the moment couldnt fix all the problems it had. to me the epic isnt anything but a huge moment lol. and from i am reading sprint has already yanked the OTA update to froyo. imagine that lol
HTC > Samsung..that's all..no comparison
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The Keyboard Settled it for Me
I've spent a couple of days on the same question. I finally settled on the Shift.
I stopped by my local Sprint store to get each in my hands. The Epic's keyboard had awful tactile response. I handed it to my son to get his opinion and he handed it back shaking his head. He said he couldn't feel the keys, couldn't tell if they were depressed.
That clarified what I was thinking. The HTC model also felt superior, even w/ the funky keyboard slide. I can't put my finger on why.
The Shift keyboard was much better, even with only 4 rows. I'm coming from a Touch Pro. I'll have to cope w/ missing the 5th row.
It didn't help Epic's cause that I kept coming across threads (ie AndroidForum) about Epic dropping/adding keystrokes.
Epic clearly has a superior GPU. However I wouldn't take advantage of it; in my regular use.
Epic's 1GHz Hummingbird and EvoShift's 800MHz Snapdragon look like a pretty even match; despite the clock difference.
I'd wish for a larger screen on the Shift; but it isn't to be.
Of course I'd also wish for a Dual Core Processor - as long as I'm wishing.
Like the above poster, I don't give the stock ROM any weight because it isn't sticking around. I found a lot more development for the Epic than I would have thought - and less development for the Shift than I would have hoped. But the Shift is recently introduced. It likely needs some time for the chefs to work their magic.
I tried to find reasons to prefer the Epic. But holding actually holding an Epic and a Shift in my hands almost decided it - all by itself.
Looks like I'll be Shifting in a few days.
NV
Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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yeah there are reports of it bricking their phones
The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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Number wise the processor is slower but performance wise it can meet with the humming bird prossecor or beat it
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
The battery life on the Shift is definitely better than it was on my Epic.
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
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I'm considering blowing up my old moment.
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Lol yeah a block of C4 and my moment makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
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ummm, 3 years? You sure about that?
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EDIT: My bad 2 years and three months I have been using an android phone that was designed with 1.5 in mind. Started a T-Mobile plan for the mytouch. in between there I did try out webos and even rim again. Sorry westicle you were right for the most part I didn't mean to exaggerate... just feels like forever with all the newer better phones coming for less. When I can still buy this old trusty turd from sprint for more then a shift.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
The hero was released october 2009. That's less than 2 years ago.
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noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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i'm still using my opening day touch pro, and hittin f5 on every mobile site trying to find out if i should wait or get something. it's brutal.
well i traded my epic for a shift days before the official froyo came out for the epic
i was a little weary giving up the 'more expensive hyped' device for the shift despite a generous cash supplement w/ the trade
but oh baby...now that i hear the epic froyo is failing i am happy to be off the samsung failboat
my shift came loaded with a 1.5ghz rom so i never tested stock htc
the battery life of the shift was underpar to the epic at first
but now that i am running bcnice kernel with mikshift i am easily surpassing the epic battery performance
i liked the shift more from the moment it was in my hand regardless of all other factors
and now its running faster/smoother/longer than the epic ever was
my biggest pet peeves of the shift:
1) no number row on the hardware keyboard...you have to double press the fn key
this is a huge pain in the ass as i enter numbers all day with lots of spaces in between...logging error codes on the machines i service...uhg...
i'm slowly migrating to the input panel but i hate input panels mostly
if i was an input panel fan i would have bought an evo...duh
but you cant have everything
2) the volume buttons are a little close to the center of the phone
had to remap the volume down to 'nothing' because i was always pressing it
all i really hope for in the future is that htc releases an android version of the old wm mogul...i loved the rocker switch/scroll...and no other phone has ever replaced that devices satisfaction with 13 hardware buttons in addition the hardware keyboard...and dedicated hardware wifi switch...please HTC wake up and smell success
HTC M3 - Android dual-core qwerty phone w/ rocker switch,5-row kb & endless buttons
yes please