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ok here goes just bought the phone and got it for $372.00. i checked with t-mobile and google twice. U have to set-up a new line and buy the phone for $179.00 and then cancel with-in 14 days (buyers remorse period). then u keep the phone and pay the new EFT fee of $150.00. the phone comes out to be $372.00 bc those cheap ****s tax you on $529.00 not $179.00. but i have checked with tmobile and google this works i even told them what i was going to do. i am on a family plan but it is in my dads name that is why i am able to setup an account in my name. hope this helps
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ok here goes just bought the phone and got it for $372.00. i checked with t-mobile and google twice. U have to set-up a new line and buy the phone for $179.00 and then cancel with-in 14 days (buyers remorse period). then u keep the phone and pay the new EFT fee of $150.00. the phone comes out to be $372.00 bc those cheap ****s tax you on $529.00 not $179.00. but i have checked with tmobile and google this works i even told them what i was going to do. i am on a family plan but it is in my dads name that is why i am able to setup an account in my name. hope this helps
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You sure you don't have to return the phone to T-Mobile? Subsidized phones have to be returned or the ETF has to be paid to the carrier (plus google's $150 equipment recovery fee) if the contract is canceled. Feel free to try it, but I would suspect you get charged for the phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622306
I like how they're "cheap ****s" yet you're the one trying to scam them out of getting the full price of the phone
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Nice! haha
But yeah you won't get the phone for $372. If you could everyone would be doing it. And next time use the search, you'll find plenty more people like yourself.
cymru said:
@seanhassars
Nice! haha
But yeah you won't get the phone for $372. If you could everyone would be doing it. And next time use the search, you'll find plenty more people like yourself.
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Cheap ****s?
Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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KROMO50 said:
Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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If you said "I plan to get it, then cancel, and then use the phone on my family plan" then that would make sense as they have already been helpful for people who are trying to get these phones on their family plans at less than full price - though I think there are possibly even cheaper ways of doing it that don't involve paying another $150 to Google.
If you said "If I cancel within 14 days will I pay anything?" then they may have said "No" assuming that you would be returning the phone to google which are the standard terms of cancelling under the buyer's remorse clause.
But, did you call T-Mobile and say "I am going to order this phone, then cancel the contract within 14 days and I will *not* be returning the phone to Google"? If so, then they should have told you that they will charge the $200 unless you return the phone.
The entire reason Google dropped the "equipment recovery fee" from $350 to $150 was because of this $200 that T-Mobile collects from you. You can avoid both by returning the phone within 14 days. You can avoid neither by cancelling and keeping the phone, no matter what the time frame is.
Hey flarbear i told tmobile that i am not returning the phone, and they said that they have nothing to do with the phone bc i bought it form Google not them. I mean i have called them 4 times to make sure of this. I don't understand why everyone on this site is getting mad about this if this works it is good for all. also in the term of sale it says to connect the provider to get their termination fee and i am going by that.
I got mine for $330 because I have my own plan and don't live off my parents.
Just saying, what you're planning on doing constitutes fraud. Something that is a rather serious offense, and if found out could lead to much more than that extra ~$140 that you're "saving". Also, as part of buyers remorse, you must return the phone in order to qualify. And even if Tmo isn't selling you the phone directly, a partner is. And since Tmo is the subsidized partner, they're even more willing to charge you extra fees since they make money off the fees and plans, not the phones.
On a different note, if they are truly, without confusion, maliciously deceiving you, then its a whole different ball game.
ps. Your horrific English may have also confused them.
Actually its not fraud. Everything he is doing is totally legal.
It may be against the spirit of the deal google/T-Mobile are offering, but there is absolutely nothing illegal about it. Which part would you say is illegal and which law specifically would relate to it?
It would be fraud if he were buying the phone and saying it was stolen when it wasnt. I would be fraud if he lied to T-Mobile and said that the phone was broken and that's why he is cancelling. In this case he has a right to pay the ETF and terminate early as per the terms of the sale. He is not obligated to disclose why, or even enter into the sale more inclined to keep it than not.
Google charges you a recovery fee if you don't return the phone. That brings you above the price of buying it unsubsidized.
I assume you'll be cancelling your credit card or whatever payment you made with it.
Way to go thief.
google's terms of sale said:
For example, if the full price of the Nexus handheld device without service plan was $529 USD and the price you paid for the Nexus handheld device was $179 USD with a service plan, the Equipment Recovery Fee you pay will be $350 USD in the event you cancel within the first 120 days of carrier service.
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179 + 350 = 529
Then you have t-mobile fees for not returning your device after being "unsatisfied".
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4. Cancellation and Returns. You can cancel your Service without paying an Early Termination Fee if you cancel WITHIN 14 DAYS of activating a new line of Service (30 days if you activate in California; other states may differ "“ ask your sales representative) ("œReturn Period"). You remain responsible to pay for the Service and all charges, fees and taxes incurred through the date of cancellation. To cancel during the Return Period, you must return to the store where you activated (or, if purchased online or by phone, follow the return instructions in the package), and return any Device you acquired at the time of activation. To receive a refund of the purchase price of your Device (less rebates received and shipping costs), you must return it (with original packaging and all contents) within the Return Period in undamaged condition and good working order to the place of purchase. You may be required to pay a restocking fee. If you do not comply with store policy, we may elect not to process your Service cancellation or you may be charged the suggested retail price of the Device, (which may be greater than the price you paid), plus any shipping and handling charges. If you activated your Service through an authorized T-Mobile dealer, the dealer"™s return policy may differ from T-Mobile"™s policies.
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Techinally both t-mobile AND google can come after you for the full price of the phone, meaning 529 x2.
Matter of fact, I encourage you to attemp this little theft, I'd love to see real world repercussions.
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Well I just talk to t-mobile once again and they insured me that if i cancel my service within 14 day i will not pay anything. And Google will only charge me the $150 called and made sure of that as well. Also T-mobile noted my account about what is going on. But when i say cheap ****s ha ha i mean you can not upgrade to the phone on a family plan and they are also taxing me on the retail price instead of the purchase price. I will let u guys know what happens
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t mobile nor google has any say so on how much tax they want to charge you
I don't understand why you guys are getting mad and attacking his character when you have a problem with his method. He is trying to test out a potential loophole. That is not illegal or fraud, just trying to beat the system.
we have these things called casinos for such endeavors..
While I find the action morally questionable at best, given the changes in Google's terms of sale for the Nexus One it would probably work. You are entering a contract with a premeditated plan to immediately break it to your benefit. It is at the very least a violation of good faith terms but this may or may not be actionable. Even if it is actionable the chances of either party (T-Mo or Google) bothering is not high.
Prior to the changing of the wording there was little doubt you would pay the full price, but they changed the terms due to the outrage at the "double dipping" return fee.
I have no issue with the OP, I just found it rather ironic considering the thread topic that he was upset google had the audactiy to charge him tax on the full retail price and that they were being cheap. I still don't think this would work considering the whole google "if you change/cancel your plan within 120 days you'll be charged the full price of the phone" deal, but if they've changed the wording I say go for it and be the guinea pig.
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Google charges you a recovery fee if you don't return the phone. That brings you above the price of buying it unsubsidized.
179 + 350 = 529
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You should look into this again. Google lowered this fee from the original $350 down to $150. When it was at $350 it was obvious that you would be paying more, but now that they have it at $150 it is no longer so obvious.
I know this has been discussed vaguely. However, I can't find any information on whether the same policy applies to month-to-month contracts. I went through the Verizon site and fine print to no avail.
AFAIK, the Worry Free Guarantee Verizon has ensures that if you cancel your new contract before 30 days.. though I read somewhere it's 60 days, you avoid any ETF fees and pay restocking/pro-rated monthly fee. This makes me think that the only way to cancel the data plan in the first month.. say as you walk out of Best Buy , you must return the device? I will pay the month if I must, but I would like some more solid info ahead of time. Thoughts?
Thing is, I think that guarantee is only for items on a contract. The Xoom isn't on a contract and is only month-to-month. Yes, you can cancel the service, but you don't have to return the Xoom.
Some have even said if you cancel within 72 hours (3 days) that the activation fee is even refunded, but that I doubt since it's at the discretion of the seller / activator, not the provider (Verizon) right? The $20 for the month of service I can see refunded, but can't imagine the activation fee would be.
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Thing is, I think that guarantee is only for items on a contract. The Xoom isn't on a contract and is only month-to-month. Yes, you can cancel the service, but you don't have to return the Xoom.
Some have even said if you cancel within 72 hours (3 days) that the activation fee is even refunded, but that I doubt since it's at the discretion of the seller / activator, not the provider (Verizon) right? The $20 for the month of service I can see refunded, but can't imagine the activation fee would be.
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Yea I just wish I could find some solid information on that. There is info on the 2 year contract guarantee, but I can't find squat on the month-to-month refund. I also wonder how reasonable they will be about it. I don't want to pay for even 1 day of data because of data used during activation. The first thing I plan to do is turn off the 3G.
I don't know about the activation fee. I doubt it since under a 2 year contract you still pay the activation fee if you return it within the grace period.
This whole thing is driving me a little nuts to be honest. I really wish they would just announce as a surprise that they would release a WiFi only version the same time as the 3G. I am quite shocked that Google would allow their first tablet to be an 800$ tablet that cost 200$ more than a WiFi only version because of the 3g/4g and be on the most expensive carrier in the states. When they used T-Mobile for their first phone I thought it was because they were smart and wanted consumers to have affordable options. Like the revolutionary idea of offering a 20$ discount on monthly service if you purchased the phone unsubsidized. I think it should be illegal to charge the same price on a unsubsidized device or that when a 2 year contract ends, your price should go down if you don't get a new subsidized device.
Verizon missed out on the iPhone, and they have regretted it ever since. Because of that they seem to be getting exclusives on EVERYTHING now. The xoom, the xperia play. Everything I have been excited about has been Verizon, or the second worse AT&T. I know that lack of significant exclusivity is probably one of the reasons Sprint is cheap, but after the Kyocera announcement I wonder if the CEOs of some of these companies are actually retarded. Who thought that was a good idea. Okay I'm off topic..
If I'm not mistaking verizon just changed their policy to 14 days. As said though the xoom will be month to month.
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When I worked for Verizon and T-mo, if you cancelled w/in the specific time period there was no activation fee or data fee. Activation fees typically comes on the first bill, not through whoever is selling it - so to my understanding you should be able to cancel after walking out the door and not have to pay for either of them - but I guess I'll find out Thursday for sure. You won't have to return the device either if you are not buying it on contract.
Also, I highly doubt you will find info from Verizon/motorola/best buy about the month to month. They don't want you to know you can cancel and not pay them, plus best buy doesn't get paid on it unless you keep the data for at least 2 months.
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When I worked for Verizon and T-mo, if you cancelled w/in the specific time period there was no activation fee or data fee. Activation fees typically comes on the first bill, not through whoever is selling it - so to my understanding you should be able to cancel after walking out the door and not have to pay for either of them - but I guess I'll find out Thursday for sure. You won't have to return the device either if you are not buying it on contract.
Also, I highly doubt you will find info from Verizon/motorola/best buy about the month to month. They don't want you to know you can cancel and not pay them, plus best buy doesn't get paid on it unless you keep the data for at least 2 months.
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Good to know. I suppose that reintroduces the question of how is the wifi locked. Is it actually locked in some way that has to be unlocked OTA... I can't see this being the case because what about 6 months down the road when you have to do a factory restore. You can't be expected to pay for service just to use the device again.
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Good to know. I suppose that reintroduces the question of how is the wifi locked. Is it actually locked in some way that has to be unlocked OTA... I can't see this being the case because what about 6 months down the road when you have to do a factory restore. You can't be expected to pay for service just to use the device again.
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I'm thinking it not actually "locked." I think they are just saying you have to buy data with it, could be wrong though. If it is actually locked, use the data connection to get the OTA than call and cancel. I can't imagine they would lock out wifi for a full month - one gig isn't much.
I was planing to switch to Virgin mobile to get a Galaxy S2 on a $55/mo promo 10 plan , but when I heard of the frickin stupid $400 cancelation fee . A month later I notice that I was overpaying $7/mo for early evening(which was already in the package)for 10 months, this IOU would've been a perfect ticket for free cancelation . But the damn manager said that "this isn't a reason for sudden customer resignation". WHAT A PISS OFF
please don't recommend rogers anybody!!!!!!
Every carrier has a cancellation fee like that when you get a deeply discounted phone, you think they'll let you walk away with an expensive phone without a penalty fee?
You should've known you still had a contract. For example, when did you get a new phone? Got a promotion plan? These will renew your contract.
Why don't you just wait for the galaxy s2 lte version to come out on Rogers. There's a $55 promotion plan you can switch to on Rogers which should be comparable to the virgin mobile plan. You can still use that lte version on the regular 3g network.
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I wanted to switch to bell to get this phone. The plan was better and it was $20/month cheaper so I called rogers and I was told upfront there would be a $475 cancellation fee with rogers since I had 23 months left on the contract. I complained about poor reception and dead spots. They knocked it down to $300, so I said ok cancel me. He put me on hold and came back and said he waived the fee and it will be cancelled in 30 days.
Since I did that a friend of mine did the same thing and got it waived also.
It's worth a shot
what people dont get is that there is no better plans. everybody has the SAME PLAN !! this is how the market works, actually this is how every market works. and why do people complain about cancelation fee?? you dont like that fee? dont sign the contract ! you think they are just gonna give you a $500 dollars phone and charge you $100 dollars to cancel it? 80% of the people signing a contract without even asking how much is the cancelation fee, and everybody complains about it. thank god this country has high tax rate !!
I am not happy about my experience with Rogers. They could not fix my data access issue for 3 months! Kept charging me for the data plan and charged me a cancellation fee. I do not know if I would won a case in the court - I do not have time for that. There must be a simple legal process protecting consumers from that! I do not know if other companies are any better but I would also advice keep away from Rogers!
BTW, plans and service levels are different at the different companies.
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Every carrier has a cancellation fee like that when you get a deeply discounted phone, you think they'll let you walk away with an expensive phone without a penalty fee?
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There are limits to that, the law says it (in Quebec):
http://www.thewirereport.ca/reports..._be_passed_on_to_wireless_customers_cwta_says
Bell you did it again, me thinking this month I could actually get a new phone (18 month upgrade)
Well, they breached my contract and now they're saying that I can get a new phone September NEXT YEAR
So i cancelled my phone and I am not paying my penalty ($600) I told them since they have breached my contract, I have a right to breach theirs by not paying the Penalty. What would happen if I just don't pay that $700 bill?
I am thinking of going with Wind Mobile, Unlimited Text, Call, Data for $50 a month, holy **** what a deal. Galaxy Nexus for $99 on a 3 year contract.
Is there any way to get out of paying my penalty?
Thanks.
The general thing that most companies do with unpaid bills is to send it off to collections. Its bad for your credit rating, very bad. You need to find the original documents they provided you when you signed the contract with them and look that over and find out what you actually agreed to. They very well may have said something like we reserve the right to decide when you can upgrade phones or whatever. In which case they would be within their rights.
Before you do anything rash like simply refuse the pay, do your homework, find out exactly what it was both parties agreed to.
Its possible that you got an unethical sales rep who was trying to corner you into signing a new contract now to get a new phone. Talking to another rep may resolve your issue.
Please try to keep topics in the "Atrix 4G General" section about the device itself. Thank you!
So a local T Mobile store has 5 in stock. Of course at first I was initially excited but the feeling quickly went away as I thought to myself, "Is it worth the trouble?" My initial plan was to buy the phone on contract for $150 (discounted for work), sign up for the cheapest what ever classic plan then leave. Figured I'd cancel it in a few days then head over to Walmart and get the 30$ Prepaid plan. The thing is, I am planning on moving overseas In February so being unlocked is key. It seems that it is unlocked so thats not the issue. The problem is the termination fee might not be 200 as I initially thought but would be for the remainder of the phone (about $350). I don't know if that is comfirmed but still.
If you were in my shoes, would you chance the fees just to have the phone a month early (and be one of those evil posters who post about it) or just bite the bullet and wait for a second batch that you might not even have a chance to order from?
I have a 2 year old optimus but in no rush to have it in my hands but then again, it would be awesome to be one of the first to have it.
Any advice, suggestions, thoughts are appreciated.
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jeremydc808 said:
So a local T Mobile store has 5 in stock. Of course at first I was initially excited but the feeling quickly went away as I thought to myself, "Is it worth the trouble?" My initial plan was to buy the phone on contract for $150 (discounted for work), sign up for the cheapest what ever classic plan then leave. Figured I'd cancel it in a few days then head over to Walmart and get the 30$ Prepaid plan. The thing is, I am planning on moving overseas In February so being unlocked is key. It seems that it is unlocked so thats not the issue. The problem is the termination fee might not be 200 as I initially thought but would be for the remainder of the phone (about $350). I don't know if that is comfirmed but still.
If you were in my shoes, would you chance the fees just to have the phone a month early (and be one of those evil posters who post about it) or just bite the bullet and wait for a second batch that you might not even have a chance to order from?
I have a 2 year old optimus but in no rush to have it in my hands but then again, it would be awesome to be one of the first to have it.
Any advice, suggestions, thoughts are appreciated.
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That's not a very bright idea...ANY US CARRIER will not allow you to buy a device on contract price then cancel without paying the early termination fee, services used fees, taxes and the price of the device in full if you do not return it. There is no way around that because you must return the equipment before they will do any line cancellations. The only option you would have is to buy it at FULL RETAIL PRICE ($499.99) from t-mobile and get a prepaid $1 per day plan so you can get the unlock code sent to you via email. Trying to play with phone subsidies does not work.
Keep the following things in mind:
1. You may have to pay an activation fee.
2. You will probably have to pay for the first month of service.
3. ETF may be more than $200 (I'm not sure how much it actually is).
Tmobile's ETF is $200 but you might have to also pay the difference in the retail price if you want to keep the phone
honestly that not a problem just sign up with the contact and everything and when u call in to cancel your contact just tell them that your going to that your joining the army and there u go no contact cancellation fee
Jrude2262 said:
honestly that not a problem just sign up with the contact and everything and when u call in to cancel your contact just tell them that your going to that your joining the army and there u go no contact cancellation fee
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Actually, this will not always work. For your ETF to be waived for military deployment, active orders will need to be provided to Customer Relations. Without it, all ETF and fees will be valid.
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Tmobile's ETF is $200 but you might have to also pay the difference in the retail price if you want to keep the phone
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And you should also keep in mind that the retail price they use may not be the low $350 that Google is charging through the play store. From what I've read, LG's suggested retail price for the phone is actually $499 so you may end up having to pay that to T-Mobile if you cancel.