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My Fear is that this will have Dell Streak-destiny/poor dev support

I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
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Dell Streak was a fairly unstable device with very little exposure, so it's adoption was much less. Samsung on the other hand is going out of it's way to advertise Galaxy Note, I am even starting to see TV ads when the device hasn't hit the market yet. Plus Note has a lot of similarity with Galaxy S2 in terms of internals, so it enjoys quite a lot of already established research and development. I mean we had a root and a custom recovery literally within the same week of its release.

I know of a few talented devs getting the device soon.
Dell Streak was a poorly advertised device. But a really good one.
Galaxy note on the other hand is a close relative of SGSII. so easier in terms of development.
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It probably won't get the same dev attention as say the nexus one or galaxy nexus, but personally I'm not too bothered about that. The note is a bit of a niche device. The Samsung apps specific to the Note look like they're pretty good already, and I believe Samsung are releasing APIs for the s-pen soon, and on the horizon is ICS with pen APIs built in.
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.

paulshields said:
From what I can see though, there's a lot more anticipation about the Note than for example the Galaxy Tab 7", which was also a niche phone + tablet hybrid. I expect a lot more dev love for this than there was for the Tab.
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And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
a) It's superior in almost every regard to the Galaxy Nexus (IMO)
b) It will get official ICS at some point
Regards,
Dave

rockky said:
I love it first off...I have issues as all do with first releases...but all the issues on other devices have always been eradicated with the great devs on the forum.
I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device (and it very well might die as a Samsung new category device...primarily due to its fusion/compromise of tablet and phone...not ever satisfying either) ....because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
Hope I'm wrong.
Have 9 days left to possibly return or sell. My Epic Touch just kick its ass in general speed (I'm still stunned at the extent that this is the case).
Anyway, that's the general fear...wanted to get it out there and off the chest!
thanks
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When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. Samsung believes that most people would prefer to carry a Note than carry a large tablet plus small phone and I think they are right. Most people will be very happy with the Note, even if there is no development in forums, because it is such a great phone.

Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.

rockky said:
Encouraging responses!
It seems I've taken a 3 year back step in Device responsiveness, tho.
Interesting because one of the final selling moments was review statement such as this:
From Engadget:
" Performance and battery life
The Galaxy Note may slot squarely in between a phone and a tablet in terms of physical dimensions, but when it comes to performance we're happy to report it leans much closer to the latter than the former -- in many cases surpassing even that class of devices. We ran it through the gamut of typical benchmarks and found nearly everything predictably out-pacing this device's Galaxy S II predecessor.
In quadrant this husky phone threw down a 3,998, compared to the GS II's 3,200. Linpack single and multi found 64.30 and 95.66 MFLOPS, compared to 55 and 81. Nenamark 1 and 2 resulted in 57.67 and 32.8, it hit 51.77 at Neocore and ran through SunSpider in 2,902ms. These are very, very good scores, out-classing the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in most cases and really raising the smartphone bar.
Galaxy Note Galaxy S II Galaxy Tab 10.1
Quadrant 3,998 3,200 1,769
Linpack (single-thread) 64.30 55 23.67
Linpack (multi-thread) 95.66 81 41.22
Nenamark1 56.67 59.8 42.7
Neocore 51.77 59.8 N/A
SunSpider 9.1 2,902 3,369 2,330"
NOT so with my beloved Note!
'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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Note has a lot of crap running in its background, even then it manages to be on par or beat the Galaxy S2. Plus I believe it's software isn't properly optimized for that resolution. Time will fix these. Hardware wise, the Note is miles better than the Galaxy Nexus. Pure AOSP Android 4 should be absolutely faultless on the Note.

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'Better on all fronts' than Nexus Prime? Don't know about that.
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What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave

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What's the Nexus Prime?
In what way, other than having ICS out of the box, is the Galaxy Nexus better than the Note?
Regards,
Dave
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I agree, I didn't see anything particularly exceptional with the Galaxy Nexus, at least at the hardware level. Which is a pity, as it was going to be the natural replacement for my ageing but still brilliant Nexus One... The lack of an SD slot and no obvious availability here in the UK of the 32GB version was the final nail in the coffin. The Note is actually pretty powerful from a hardware perspective. I'm sure ICS will run extremely well on it. Coupled with confirmation that 64GB sd cards work fine in it, makes it a pretty powerful and capacious device .

There is root and I am a TouchWiz keeper, battery lasts longer than GS2, regular apps run, getting ICS - I guess I wouldn't be needing dev support.
Edited: And I am not super hungry for ICS at version 4.0, I can wait until 4.0.4 when ICS is finally super stable.

i'm just waiting for Cyanogenmod to make it's way over ... it IS coming, right...?

I feel your PAIN...
rockky said:
...I'm sensing that because this is still percieved as a novelty device...because of that fact I fear developers just wont spend the time creating the great roms/kernels as the Evo's and GS2's have enjoyed.
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Coming from the Dell Streak 5 myself, I know EXACTLY how you feel. I flashed as many ROMs as were available -- all TWO OF THEM!!
Amazingly, my son STILL USES my HD2 because it never gets OLD--he can change to a new ROM almost DAILY. There has to be about 82 million ROMs for that thing!
Now that I just picked up the SGN on Friday, I too am hoping the SGN will get that kind of love!!

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When the Dell Streak was launched nearly all smart phones were small, but the trend is now away from small phones. .
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Quite right. With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore. At my work place every one seems to be carrying something really big.
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No love for Dell Streak
I completely understand how you feel, coming from the streak.
I got the streak in Oct last year, because 2.x was "coming soon". Gave up and did it myself in December. I'm still on 2.2.2, which is super stable for me.
I've looked at the SGS2, but that 4.3" screen is just too hard to get use to.
If someone in the states would offer the Note, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I'm not sure I want to get one from overseas...just yet. Bought several items from HK, but, nothing almost a grand in price.

...and I'm OK with that
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...With my streak people used to be wow every time they see it. Not anymore...
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Me too!!! NOW, I don't have to feel OBLIGATED to let people FEEL UP my phone.
people don't wash their hands you know...

foxmeister said:
And to be fair, the GTab7 did/does see enough dev support to make it worthwhile.
I'd expect the Note to be more popular than the GTab7 because:
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Well, the Tab 7 had lots of rommers basically modifying stock with some UI tweaks, and Technomancer doing a proper job with CM7. Nowhere near the likes of something like the Nexus One where lots of real development took place.
I can see lots of development of the Note in comparison, especially once Samsung drop the source. Even more activity once it moves to ICS. I think there are reasonably long legs in this device for devs to come on board.

I am concerned as well. Actually, this is the only reason why I have still not purchased the Galaxy Note.
Are there any good developers who have already promised to support this phone?

chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go

fards said:
chainfire has one,
I'm getting one, when the monkeys at amazon finally decide to give mine to citylink to deliver it!
whether or not I'm a "decent dev" is anyones opinion, but I do have a go
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One of devs who I respect most.
I am sure anyone who has used dell streak knows it.
Damn the delivery from amazon. I thought u might get it today and work your magic.

Galaxy Note is Amazing Device because of 5S - 1

Stability
The biggest factor for me. I just didn't know that Android tablet can be this stable until used Galaxy Note 10.1. By choosing Android Ecosystem over the iOS ecosystem, I was always under the impression we are giving up the stability. Galaxy Note 10.1 is even more stable than my iPad 2. I have had only a single crush on stock browser for the entire week of use. At this point, I am even doubting the event. May be I had accidentally clicked close button.
Speed
Very fast device. Transformer Infinity when its at maximum speed I believe matches the Galaxy Note, but galaxy note constantly at its speed.
Sustainability (Battery Life)
Amazing is all I can say on this regard. This system can get me 10 hours easily with constant browsing, video play, and even with some gaming. Infinity only gave me 5-6 hours at maximum without dock. If I played game, it can be as short as 3-4 hours. This was unfortunately not acceptable for me. Some may argue but with "dock". My take on this was it is nice to have dock sometimes, but I got tablet because of its portability. I don't want to carry around extra pound every where I go. Otherwise, I would simply carry my macbook air around.
S-pen
Honestly, I don't really use this feature but if I had this when I was in school, this would have been ideal. I even purchased HP Windows Tablet with premium price of ~$2000 when I was at school. The battery life was suboptimal and could not really use it for whole day of lecture. But since Samsung is making this is its unique selling feature, this made it to my third S.
Screen
Unfortunately, this is the weakness. Not bad screen but if you have used HD screen it is noticeable difference. And this is not some random feature that most don't care. This is everyday use, always on feature so lack of this point is making Galaxy Note always a tough decision to call "the best android tablet."

I'll take the GNote screen any day, if it means I can have this amazing tablet that just works. No issues or crashes - it just works. I didn't know how bad my ThinkPad Tablet was until I got this tab.

The display is nice. Its just not 1920*1280 or whatever.
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Agree 100% with you... Moved from TF700 to SGN10.1 just for 4S...

HD display is definitely lovely and like I said I miss it. But stability once you experience is equal or even more important factor. I cannot take a note, bring up reference etc. at work and suddenly my application crushes and start over. But yes. I truly miss HD display and that is why I am still checking infinity forum to see if stability is improved.
In theory, infinity still has potential. Assuming their I/O issue is not truly bounded by flash drive i.e. hardware level, if it gets fixed by software and who knows whatever else samsung is doing correctly, and ASUS applies that Infinity can have both HD and stability. Whereas, Galaxy Note 10.1 is essentially near perfect system of its own if we excluded HD screen BUT it is never fixable.
Again very tough choice. But if infinity does not get the stability, I don't think I can go back to it as again I cannot use system that crushes randomly every other hour especially after experiencing the stability of Galaxy Note.
By the way for the defence of Infinity, I again say that infinity's browsing speed can be as fast as that of Galaxy Note. I did end up doing some build.prop tweak before returning mine Infinity, but with that I compared side by side with infinity and galaxy note visiting exact same site at the same time of clicking. Sometimes, infinity actually loaded faster BUT infinity could not sustain the speed as time goes by; whereas, galaxy note is always at that speed. So again stability and perhaps reliability on galaxy note, which seems to match that of iOS, which for apple fans the main selling point of their device.

Please stay on topic guys.
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What build.prop tweaks did you do to make things faster?
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What build.prop tweaks did you do to make things faster?
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Sorry I was talking about infinity there. I m on 100% stock on galaxy note.

Galaxy Note 10.1 Impressions and Weighing against Windows 8

I have had the Galaxy Note 10.1 since August 13th, so more than a month now and I have to say it's one of the best tablets I have ever owned.
Here are my impressions with some minor cons that need to be ironed out:
1) Amazing Screen, approaching Super AMOLED Plus levels (I owned a galaxy tab 7.7 that I sold to buy this one).
Minor Con: It does appear pixelated, especially the home screen folders and apps.
2) Amazing battery life (I have seen screen-on times upto 11.5 hrs and even with wi-fi always on and pulling in email from 4 accounts, it doesn't seem to consume any battery at all when the screen is turned off)
Minor Con: After an update pushed by Samsung it affected battery life slightly, although I am still getting 10 hrs of screen-on time with a lot of web browsing, videos, sometimes both at the same time using pop-up play.
3) Multi-tasking is powerful. Loving the ability to read a PDF/PPT and take notes in S Notes
Minor Con: S-Notes auto brightness increase after the latest update is killing my retina and is seriously annoying. Also, that giant scrolling/panning page makes S-Notes unusable in split screen mode. Hope these issues are addressed promptly through an update.
4) Brilliant S-Pen: I don't use notepads anymore. Seriously. I take notes everywhere, in meetings, jot down ideas, practice sketching. It has made me more productive in general. Coupled with its light weight and long battery life it's a god send. I will never buy any mobile computing device that doesn't have a Wacom pen functionality ever again. Once galaxy note 2 comes out on verizon I am replacing my galaxy nexus on launch day.
Here is the fly in the ointment though. Windows 8 is coming. And for anyone who has ever tried OneNote with a Wacom pen, knows its just unparalleled in terms of inking and makes S-Note, as powerful as it is, look like a hack job. Since Microsoft has had a long time to perfect it, they have taken it to another level that's just hard to touch for any new entrants.
Also, Windows OS will allow me to run my office software (I plan to get the x86 versions and have no interest in the RT version) and do programming (I write software as a hobby) while giving me much of the same multimedia functionality as Android OS. Granted Windows 8 won't nearly have as many apps or games as Android, but it has most of the essential things that I use and need from the get-go.
Currently, I am leaning towards the Samsung ATIV Smart PC as it will have S-Note also (apart from OneNote), so I can port all the notes that I have created on my galaxy note 10.1 to it, although it doesn't look as sleek as the Asus Vivo Tab.
What will I be sacrificing if I get a Windows 8 based convertible tablet like Samsung ATIV Smart PC or Asus Vivo Tab?
Cost is definitely a factor, but the productivity gain offsets that. What else?
Battery life: Not so much with Intel second generation Atom (both devices are rated for 13.5 hrs of battery life, 10 hrs of video)
GPU prowess: Galaxy Note 10.1 will definitely trump integrated Intel HD whatever in the Windows 8 devices. So if playing games are important, note 10.1 is a better choice.
Apps: Android OS has far more number of apps. Not much of an issue if you just want productivity apps, but fun apps are lacking in the Windows 8 store as of now. It might change when it actually releases, but it will definitely take some time to come up to parity.
Anything else?

Discussed ad nauseam here…
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869148
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869828
Bottom line is that until they’re in people’s hands all debate is rhetorical. And from early pricing reports, especially for non-RT devices, they better be good.

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The ultimate Note 10.1 replacement has arrived?

The Samsung ativ Q!
http://www.samsungmobilepress.com/2...mer-Choice-with-Innovative-New-ATIV-Tablets-1
Disclaimer: I think this device deserves a thread on its own as it is an actual announced device, not speculated features/successor.
It has everything you guys wanted: s pen support with higher resolution display, bigger screen, and all that with Windows 8 simultaneously. This is truly a dream come true for me as a student. Previously after my labtop broke down I was left with my note 10.1 and I was looking for a replacement which can double up for a pc and note 10.1 so I only need one device. However there wasn't such a device available at that time and the closest was a Samsung ativ pro, and I didn't get it as it didn't have a reasonable price tag considering its single purpose, S pen functionality was not sufficiently integrated with Windows os and the screen was too small for practical use as a Windows pc. The battery life was also said to be 5hrs tops and not enough to last a day's use.
So this device is really a best of both worlds, has every feature to replace 2 devices. What surprised me was the proposed battery life of 9hrs, almost on par with note 10.1, which is amazing given its dual boot capability and intense display power requirements. I'm also glad that the size was bigger at 13.3 inches which is much more fit for use as a proper laptop as compared to a pathetic 10.1 inch laptop (more like netbook? ) as in the ativ pc pro. This will allow tech savvy students to take notes using lecture notes, and switch to windows mode for working on office documents etc. Possibilities are infinite. Moreover it's from a company we're familiar with, not some fancy dual boot convertible device from those usual companies like lenovo or asus.
However, I don't think I will get it soon, as the price will probably be much higher than having 2 separate devices and I just got my replacement laptop Another downside might be its weight, which is more than double of that of our favorite device, but still a reasonable compromise given its upgraded utility.
So what do you think of this magnificent device? Will it replace your Samsung note 10.1?
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Yes I will replace my note with the ativ q. A few problems though. No flash and no front facing camera.

DrADP said:
Yes I will replace my note with the ativ q. A few problems though. No flash and no front facing camera.
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it will have windows 8 which will support usb web cams and flash so there you go.

No thanks..too big ..need to stay with 10.1 inch format... no front camera so no Google hangouts... windows 8 sucks compared to android...and my. Note battery lasts a week with light use ..not 9 hours...
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If I were in the market for a new laptop, I'd most likely seriously consider this. It does what a laptop does, and gives me access to Android apps, too. And it's more portable than a laptop, and lighter. I could see this being my home computer and portable tablet, all in one.
But if I were in the market for a true easy-to-cart-around tablet, this would probably be too much. As it is, I have nearly stopped using my Windows laptop and do nearly everything on my Note 10.1. The only time I fire up the PC is when I need to do more involved graphics in Photoshop or Illustrator.
But this is still pretty cool.
And I agree, it DEFINITELY needs a front-facing camera. Why the need to get a separate webcam, at this point?

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No thanks..too big ..need to stay with 10.1 inch format... no front camera so no Google hangouts... windows 8 sucks compared to android...and my. Note battery lasts a week with light use ..not 9 hours...
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Agree with the lack of front camera.
However, for the note 10.1 the battery lasts around 10hrs of continuous usage, hence I said the proposed 9hrs of battery life would be almost comparable to that.
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Where are you guys seeing that there's no front camera? At 2:57, this guy takes a picture of himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRq-0oxSyI
and also, if I didn't just build a desktop with black Friday sales last year, I would certainly get this. But for a likely $1300+ dollars, it really isn't necessary for me. I will use my dual 25" monitor setup at home for anything super productive. I really wish they had announced a new 10.1 Note. That is what I need for notes at school. Plus I can do light word processing when I'm out and about and do final editing or a bulk of the work at home.
I think there will be a good amount of people in a similar situation. Like said above, it would be great if you use a laptop as your main PC and are in the market.

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Where are you guys seeing that there's no front camera? At 2:57, this guy takes a picture of himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRq-0oxSyI
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Good find. I had already seen that video and completely missed that when everyone was commenting on no front camera. Depending on pricing, I really think this will be my next big purchase.

Anyone know where the speakers are located? I really LOVE that the Note's speakers are on the front, but I'm not seeing them on this, either in the photos or the video.

The size and weight really make this a potentially great ultrabook replacement but its arguably a little too heavy as a tablet. I find even holding my Note 10.1 like a clipboard gets tiring after a while and this thing is considerably heavier.
Nevertheless, I do find it a pretty compelling product and I think it could be a good fit for a lot of users, particularly if you need a full powered but portable computer.
Has Microsoft/Adobe fixed the incompatibility between pen and Photoshop yet?
Also, for me the ultimate Note 10.1 replacement would include better active digitizer with tilt detection and proper calibration/recalibration driver support. I find the inaccuracy of the pen, particularly around the edges, and the shifting of the drawing point as the pen changes tilt to make using the pen on my Note 10.1 a frustrating experience. I'm holding out for a better solution.

I think what may really replace Note 10.1 for some is the ATIV 3 ... it has all the Note's features except replacing android for windows + Complete office ... i think many people would prefer this for work

I don't see much appeal in the ativ tab 3 since there's already a ativ tab now, just a slimmer version.
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I don't see much appeal in the ativ tab 3 since there's already a ativ tab now, just a slimmer version.
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but the ativ tab is not full windows 8 its RT while the ATIV tab 3 has full windows 8 with office + an Spen ... it's a complete Note 10.1 with windows :good: (although i dont think of replacing this for that ... i like my note and it's just enough for my work :good

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but the ativ tab is not full windows 8 its RT while the ATIV tab 3 has full windows 8 with office + an Spen ... it's a complete Note 10.1 with windows :good: (although i dont think of replacing this for that ... i like my note and it's just enough for my work :good
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The Ativ 500T is full windows 8 with an SPen. It seems almost identical to the Ativ Tab 3 but a slightly larger screen and optional keyboard dock. Same processor, same or similar screen resolution ect
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I would never trade Winblows 8 for Android.... I wish my desktop ran Jellybean instead of 8.
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I will replace mine if they plant the phone capabilities there as note has..

With the new lower power demands and lower heat output of haswell processors id guesstimate android taking a major hit by windows in 1.5 years or so. Just to much raw processing power with nearly the same power profiles of android. Full desktop power on a battery life of 7 to 8 hours video loop. Android has done a wonderful job but unless they can engineer processing and gpu power similar to haswell in the coming year id say microsoft will bring the pain to apple and android both. Which they very well may do as they have done a wonderful job so far. Snapdragon 800 ect looking at 2.3 ghz. So it may make for some interesting competition. Apple on the other hand has made no true forward leaps. I see them losing share drastically in the coming years if they dont make some pretty big attitude changes soon.

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With the new lower power demands and lower heat output of haswell processors id guesstimate android taking a major hit by windows in 1.5 years or so. Just to much raw processing power with nearly the same power profiles of android. Full desktop power on a battery life of 7 to 8 hours video loop. Android has done a wonderful job but unless they can engineer processing and gpu power similar to haswell in the coming year id say microsoft will bring the pain to apple and android both. Which they very well may do as they have done a wonderful job so far. Snapdragon 800 ect looking at 2.3 ghz. So it may make for some interesting competition. Apple on the other hand has made no true forward leaps. I see them losing share drastically in the coming years if they dont make some pretty big attitude changes soon.
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I somewhat agree, but I think a lot will come down to pricing. We'll have to wait and see how much a basic haswell tablet is going to be.
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I believe it has Android as well, I saw that on showcase video on you tube
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I doubt it, imo most people just want to browse, email, do some basic picture editing, watch videos etc, and tablets can do all that right now which is why desktop and laptop sales are taking such a hit.
Would more powerful arm processors be appreciated, yes. Are people going to switch en masse to Intel Win8 machines, hell no, most of them simply neither want nor need full blown Ms Office or Photoshop.

Note 8 still worth getting after 2 years?

Hi,
I can get a brand new Note 8 for $200 CAD. Do you think it is still worth it to get? Is the $200 asking price reasonable for a two year old technology? Can $200 get a newer technology? I will mainly use it for web browsing, email, and stuff like that. I was planning to get the Tab S 8.5. Bestbuy has it on clearance for $329. What do you think?

I can tell you that I was surprised to find that there Isn't anything out there right now from Samsung worth replacing my Note 8 with. Although I've grown kinda restless with it the screen is better than some of the new offerings. The Tab A 9 inch tablet has a screen that's of way worse quality. The Note 8 is actually pretty stout. Check out some benchmarks on it, I'm sure it holds its own with some of the newer tablets. The screen is also nice, it's not killer by today's standard but still better than 70% of what's out there even now.

God no, this tablet is around 3 years old now, and is running 3 year old tech. Screen is not great (for today that is), battery life is poor (again for today), and it doesn't seem like you'll have any use for the pen, which is the only real purpose for this tablet, and what differentiates it from the rest. And with that, pen support is poor, S-Note is a worthless app, and 3rd party support for the pen is poor. Paying $200 for it is beyond insane.

Still rocks
My Note 8 3G on TouchWiz 4.4.4 still gives me 16+ hrs screen time (mostly book reading & writing) even after two years (obviously after de-bloating & tweaking). It's pretty solid with no issues whatsoever. This may not be the thing for those who always need the latest this or that, but I wouldn't change this tablet for anything yet -- is there any really worthy replacement?

I'm going to get right to what you want to hear. No, for $200 the Note 8 isn't worth it nowadays. You'd be better off taking that same $200 into a pawn shop and buying a decent laptop. You're just using it for browsing the web and checking email. Plus you can do so much more with a PC than you could on a tablet.

If you want web browsing, etc. Spend the $200 towards a Chromebook. Best browsing out there. Dell & HP ones are really great.

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My Note 8 3G on TouchWiz 4.4.4 still gives me 16+ hrs screen time (mostly book reading & writing) even after two years (obviously after de-bloating & tweaking). It's pretty solid with no issues whatsoever. This may not be the thing for those who always need the latest this or that, but I wouldn't change this tablet for anything yet -- is there any really worthy replacement?
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Well, you didn't answer his question. Would you, now, pay $200 for it. Forget tweaking, most people don't have the time, knowledge base, or desire for that, evaluate the stock device, as is. Is it worth $200? IMO, no way. I would rather pay $500 for a modern device that doesn't require any tweaking and debloating, to get acceptable battery life or performance, than spend days or weeks tweaking something. My time is more valuable than that. And I will argue that in real-world usage (browsing, videos, etc), your device will not come close to the 16 hours you claim. Book reading and writing is not typical usage, and any modern device will likely beat your battery life with zero time invested in modifying it. My 1+ year old iPad Mini Retina absolutely destroys my Note 8 in battery life. It's not even close. Not that it's without it's share of issues, but overall, it's a much better tablet than the Note 8. Of course, it's much newer, so that's expected.

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Well, you didn't answer his question. Would you, now, pay $200 for it. Forget tweaking, most people don't have the time, knowledge base, or desire for that, evaluate the stock device, as is. Is it worth $200? IMO, no way. I would rather pay $500 for a modern device that doesn't require any tweaking and debloating, to get acceptable battery life or performance, than spenda days or weeks tweaking something. My time is more valuable than that. And I will argue that in real-world usage (browsing, videos, etc), your device will not come close to the 16 hours you claim. Book reading and writing is not typical usage, and any modern device will likely beat your battery life with zero time invested in modifying it. My 1+ year old iPad Mini Retina absolutely destroys my Note 8 in battery life. It's not even close. Not that it's without it's share of issues, but overall, it's a much better tablet than the Note 8. Of course, it's much newer, so that's expected.
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I'm not at all an Apple fan -- no SD Card support & a Mini 4 (16GB Cellular) costs $529! Also, Apple is nothing compared to the Android customization. I wonder if we were to put all the 431 Samsung stock apks on iPad Mini, how it would be on battery.
Regarding Note 8: Compared to the initial $499 price, $200 is a good price for me personally. According to the reviews Samsung Tab 3 not that good, I'll surely buy a Note 8 for $200, if I need one again. Tweaking is very easy due to Boeffla kernel and it's own apk with pre-made profiles. The only thing taking an hour is deleting unnecessary stock apks with Titanium. Obviously my tweaking did not take days or weeks (people spend more time on unnecessary things ). Since, I'll be using tablets or smartphones till I die, knowledge base is very useful in the long run rather than be a noob always . I do some browsing on the tablet during my lectures but I prefer big screen laptop for that, and movies definitely on laptop, not on an 8".
This tablet never gave me errors (even a FC) except when I mistakenly erased certain partitions about a year ago due to my noobness.

Thanks for the reply. I have decided to get the Tab S 8.4. Now is $329 a good deal? I know I can wait til Black Friday. But that is 1.5 months away. By that time the Tab S will probably all gone. I like the Tab S for its screen. Should I go for it?

Haha thats funny, thats the exact tablet I was looking at to replace my note. The screen on it is gorgeous I just wish the back was that faux leather like the Pro 8.4 has. Also you may want to look at the pro which has the same ppi its just Super lcd not oled like the Tab S. Anthet thing to consider is at least on Android Central theres a few people complainiing of lagginess o the Tab S. Best Buy has Tab S's open box for about $280. I had one in my hand, just couldnt justify getting over my Note and losing the S Pen. Plus although the screen is nicer its not $280 nicer so I couldnt justify it for me.

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jtcb said:
Thanks for the reply. I have decided to get the Tab S 8.4. Now is $329 a good deal? I know I can wait til Black Friday. But that is 1.5 months away. By that time the Tab S will probably all gone. I like the Tab S for its screen. Should I go for it?
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If you go for Tab S 8.4, don't upgrade to stock Lollipop 5.0.2 -- friends told me it's pretty bad -- just keep the original KitKat. Especially, the Tab S battery is 300 mAh higher than Note 8, so does screen resolution (170 dpi more) -- almost double. Hence, the Tab S will use more battery. No proximity sensor in Tab S, which is very useful in Note 8 to wake the screen without using consuming HW buttons. No S Pen, which is bad if you like to use the tab as a handwriting notepad (Note 8 is pretty good at it). Also, Tab S 8.4 isn't a cellular tab.
However, in the end it's upto the person who spends the money!
Edit: If you can afford $100 more, this latest Samsung Tablet is definitely a winner >>> Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 9.7
Tab S2 review

I have a note 8. I wouldn't pay 200$ for one because of the screen and lack of support from Samsung. You'll have to use a customized rom to get newer version of Android. You lose most of the pen functionality when you do that. That said, I would not opt for the tab s at $330 either. Limited support from Samsung and from what I've read, not a stellar performer based on the software.
Couple questions - are you stuck on Samsung? And do you have to buy new? A better Samsung option might be the tab A that has stylus. Not as much ram as the Note 8, but newer OS and I "think" samsung even announced another update for it.
Best option IMO would be to find a used Nvidia Shield. Can be found for the same $200 and its gotten the latest updates for Android and when it does get them they're timely.

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I have a note 8. I wouldn't pay 200$ for one because of the screen and lack of support from Samsung. You'll have to use a customized rom to get newer version of Android. You lose most of the pen functionality when you do that. That said, I would not opt for the tab s at $330 either. Limited support from Samsung and from what I've read, not a stellar performer based on the software.
Couple questions - are you stuck on Samsung? And do you have to buy new? A better Samsung option might be the tab A that has stylus. Not as much ram as the Note 8, but newer OS and I "think" samsung even announced another update for it.
Best option IMO would be to find a used Nvidia Shield. Can be found for the same $200 and its gotten the latest updates for Android and when it does get them they're timely.
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I always prefer new so yes I would buy new. I have considered Tab A but the screen resolution is the worst in all tablet I have seen. I like the stylus in the Note 8 and A. But I can always get a separate stylus. I also consider Nexus 9 just for the frequent update.

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I always prefer new so yes I would buy new. I have considered Tab A but the screen resolution is the worst in all tablet I have seen. I like the stylus in the Note 8 and A. But I can always get a separate stylus. I also consider Nexus 9 just for the frequent update.
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shield has a stylus as well

AkiOrpheus said:
I'm not at all an Apple fan -- no SD Card support & a Mini 4 (16GB Cellular) costs $529! Also, Apple is nothing compared to the Android customization. I wonder if we were to put all the 431 Samsung stock apks on iPad Mini, how it would be on battery.
Regarding Note 8: Compared to the initial $499 price, $200 is a good price for me personally. According to the reviews Samsung Tab 3 not that good, I'll surely buy a Note 8 for $200, if I need one again. Tweaking is very easy due to Boeffla kernel and it's own apk with pre-made profiles. The only thing taking an hour is deleting unnecessary stock apks with Titanium. Obviously my tweaking did not take days or weeks (people spend more time on unnecessary things ). Since, I'll be using tablets or smartphones till I die, knowledge base is very useful in the long run rather than be a noob always . I do some browsing on the tablet during my lectures but I prefer big screen laptop for that, and movies definitely on laptop, not on an 8".
This tablet never gave me errors (even a FC) except when I mistakenly erased certain partitions about a year ago due to my noobness.
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I tried that kernel, and all it's tweaking options. I have tried debloating, overclocking, undervolting, etc. Nothing gave me any appreciable improvement in battery life or performance, and many "tweaks" gave me stability issues. In regular usage, I would be lucky to get 7 hours on the Note 8, stock or otherwise. But like I said, that would be expected for a tablet that came out over 2 years ago.
The reason why I brought up my iPad was not because I am an Apple fan, but because it's a much more modern device with easily 3 hours more battery life in real-world use. Modern Samsung tabs get similar results, but my iPad was provided to me by my job, so that's what I have. This device's only selling point is the pen. If the OP needs one, this tab is for him, regardless of the price. If not, $200 is way too much to spend on almost 3 year old hardware. And I have a feeling that he is like 99% of people out there, in that he has no interest in investing (read: wasting) the amount of time necessary to learn tweaking, flashing, debloating, etc, and there are better choices than this one out of the box.

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I tried that kernel, and all it's tweaking options. I have tried debloating, overclocking, undervolting, etc. Nothing gave me any appreciable improvement in battery life or performance, and many "tweaks" gave me stability issues. In regular usage, I would be lucky to get 7 hours on the Note 8, stock or otherwise. But like I said, that would be expected for a tablet that came out over 2 years ago.
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That's strange sputnik767, because out of the box, Note 8 gave me minimum 12 hours with all the factory junk running. That time I knew nothing about tweaking or de-bloating. I heard some Note 8s had hardware issues since the factory; that may be your case.
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This device's only selling point is the pen.
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That's the reason I went for Note 8 + multi tasking, which are tremendously useful for me. However, judging a tablet just by specs is a difficult thing. Hidden hardware issues, OS issues, and battery issues only can be known after usage (sometimes user may never know ).

200... Yes yes and yes
Big screen... Yes
3g and calling ... Yes
Upgradeable to 5.1.1... Yes
And most important is the pen. Microsoft onenote is THEE industry leader to pen notes (sorry google keep).
Many people don't know what they want until they have it. And nothing on the market has this size screen with calling and a pen
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Do you use the S-pen? I've used it for designing and drawing, including professional work, and then @$200 it's absolutely worth it. Which version is it the 4G LTE or the regular one? Could you link it here? I can say this is the best tech investment I've ever made. To me the size is perfect, and I use it as the GPS in the car, the kids watch movies on it, use it to draw manga and what have you, and it is still pocketable in a jacket, and I bring it with me everywhere. It's also the home modem hotspot for all computers. Too bad Samsung didn't sell enough of them, so there's no new version.

You can find one cheaper
I was able to get one for $75 a few months ago. Bought it off someone from a Facebook group. I am always looking at these groups in my city for all sorta deals form electronics to tools. If you really want something like the Note 8.0 take a look, there has to be someone out there selling one.

I recently switched from my Note 8.0, which I owned for about 2 years, to an Asus Zenpad 8.0 S (4Gbyte Ram, 64gb flash) and it works great with the z stylus from Asus. I can highly recommend it.
All together it cost 330 Dollar and you get a modern thin, light tablet. I use the tablet mainly for taking notes (LectureNotes), surfing and email. I also owned a Note 10.1 (2014 edition) for a few months, but that one was too heavy and big (and not cheap, otherwise a great tablet though).