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OT: eLocity announces seven 10-inch Android 3.0 tablets

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/elocity-announces-seven-10-inch-android-3-0-tablets-before-an/
...the company just announced no fewer than seven 10-inch Tegra 2 tablets running Android 3.0. Specs are pretty light, but we're told the new A10 line will use the dual-core Tegra 2 T-250, have "high-resolution" multitouch screens, microSD storage, USB ports, a front-facing camera, and feature an HDMI port that supports 1080p output...
...eLocity A10s launch for online preorder beginning on January 17th at http://MicroCenter.com, http://Frys.com, http://Sears.com, http://Newegg.com, http://Walmart.com, http://bjs.com, http://TigerDirect.com, http://Amazon.com and http://MicroCenter.com...
Oh boy.

You would think something like this would be posted on their own web site. But other than the 12.24 firmware update, little to nothing has changed on their site since October.
On the flip-side... I didn't buy the A7 based on their household name, or ability to update their website or even for their steller customer service.
I'm actually quite eager to see 3.0 and all of the built-in functionality for tablets (such as Market / Gapps support). I bought the A7 knowing what I was getting into (endlessly reading forums and hacking on the device until I get it "just right"). Several friends have asked me about tablets after talking about or showing off the A7. Anyone who is not willing/able to get their hands dirty I tell them to wait for 3.0 or buy an iPad (I'm not in the business of supporting every hacked/modded Android in the neighborhood).

hoagm said:
You would think something like this would be posted on their own web site. But other than the 12.24 firmware update, little to nothing has changed on their site since October.
On the flip-side... I didn't buy the A7 based on their household name, or ability to update their website or even for their steller customer service.
I'm actually quite eager to see 3.0 and all of the built-in functionality for tablets (such as Market / Gapps support). I bought the A7 knowing what I was getting into (endlessly reading forums and hacking on the device until I get it "just right"). Several friends have asked me about tablets after talking about or showing off the A7. Anyone who is not willing/able to get their hands dirty I tell them to wait for 3.0 or buy an iPad (I'm not in the business of supporting every hacked/modded Android in the neighborhood).
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lol on the in the business of being a neighborhood modded android support person
One thing for sure, it's going to be a very interesting 2011 for android and tablets. The different manufacturers coming out with their take on android tablets and the number of announcement of better cpu/gpu/soc everyday seems like the flood gates are going to open. Which for me means, wait until 2012

hoagm said:
On the flip-side... I didn't buy the A7 based on their household name, or ability to update their website or even for their steller customer service. I'm actually quite eager to see 3.0 and all of the built-in functionality for tablets
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I agree entirely. I have yet to play with the A7 until it arrives later today, but I bought it on the strength of its specs... pending the look and feel once I have it.
I don't expect much from Elocity. I hope the devs eventually come out with a 3.0 ROM, which this tablet should handle well. And I will happily buy them more beers...

[NEWS] Galaxy Tab Won't Get Honeycomb / Android 3.0

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/010411-galaxy-tab-wont-get-honeycomb.html
"single-core Android tablets like Samsung's Galaxy Tab won't meet the minimum requirements for Honeycomb, Google's tablet-optimized operating system version, according to a manufacturer.
Bobby Cha, managing director of Korean consumer electronics firm Enspert, told PCMag that Honeycomb will require a dual-core Cortex A9 processor to run properly. So far, the only chipset to include this processor is Nvidia's Tegra 2, due to appear in many Android tablets at the Consumer Electronics Show this week.
Cha said that a minimum screen resolution of 1280-by-720 may also be necessary, but he noted that Honeycomb-based tablets will come with seven-inch screens and larger.
Samsung's Galaxy Tab has a 1 GHz Hummingbird processor and a 1024-by-600 resolution display. The company has previously suggested that the Galaxy Tab would update no further than the smartphone-focused Android 2.3 ("Gingerbread"), but Cha's comments appear to seal the Tab's fate as a rapidly aging product."

Oh god...not another thread about this crap!
So what...go return your TAB then...stop being a baby about it!
Your TAB said 2.2....consider yourself lucky if you get 2.3 on it let alone 3.0!
By the time 3.0 is out and about...there will be lots of nice tablets to buy!
If not...im sure CM will be ported to single core phones and tabs...boo hoo, too bad so sad!

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Oh god...not another thread about this crap!
So what...go return your TAB then...stop being a baby about it!
Your TAB said 2.2....consider yourself lucky if you get 2.3 on it let alone 3.0!
By the time 3.0 is out and about...there will be lots of nice tablets to buy!
If not...im sure CM will be ported to single core phones and tabs...boo hoo, too bad so sad!
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Wow...just..wow..
Anyway, is their anyway to confirm if this is true? If it is that well sucks, but at the same time to be expected..I mean something new in computers and phones always comes out and Tablets follow under the category of those things.

vamp6x6x6x said:
Wow...just..wow..
Anyway, is their anyway to confirm if this is true? If it is that well sucks, but at the same time to be expected..I mean something new in computers and phones always comes out and Tablets follow under the category of those things.
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Are you amazed at the rate of consumer electronics?
Technology is advancing faster and faster due to the demand and hype! This is fact!
Also...Samsung, nor XDA, nor Google promised any of us 2.3 or 3.0 for the current Samsung Galaxy Tab...that is a fact!
I'm just tired of these thread poping up every few minutes with complainers that the Tab doesnt have dual core or this and that....and it's not going to get this or tab. You should be Wowing at that!!!!

rmanaudio said:
Are you amazed at the rate of consumer electronics?
Technology is advancing faster and faster due to the demand and hype! This is fact!
Also...Samsung, nor XDA, nor Google promised any of us 2.3 or 3.0 for the current Samsung Galaxy Tab...that is a fact!
I'm just tired of these thread poping up every few minutes with complainers that the Tab doesnt have dual core or this and that....and it's not going to get this or tab. You should be Wowing at that!!!!
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Touche, I mean I personally am glad with my Galaxy Tab..I mean I knew what to expect when I got it...and as for honeycomb was kinda hoping but easy come easy go...but luckily even though xda didn't promise us 2.3 on our Tabs I am sure the nice devs here will try and find a way for us to get 2.3+

The false inferences from off the cuff commentary by people not directly involved in development of the OS should not be taken as factual information.

Actually Samsung has confirmed that they will release 2.3 for the Tab and Galaxy S devices. But it remains to be seen when that'll happen.

LOL, Any body want to sell their antiquated Galaxy Tab?
I've been looking to get one on AT&T or T-Mo... a trade for a mint 16GB iPhone4 perhaps???

This is allready stated as bogus, by Andy Rubin at CES. Now we just have to hope that Samsung pics up the pace.

Wrong information.

2.2 is already very good dont need upgrade as far as i am concern.

Hey rouge9, I have an at&t tab with the shrink wrap still on it ill trade you for an i4 if its in good shape.
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2.2 is already very good dont need upgrade as far as i am concern.
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Not to me. I mean right now it only has the same features mostly as my phone, but honeycomb will bring more greatness and hopefully make it so we dont have to use spare parts just to get a full screen.

Yeh full screen thing is really need to be fixed but what other features are you looking for?

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Yeh full screen thing is really need to be fixed but what other features are you looking for?
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Gmail to be better
A more better homescreen thing(like instead of all 9 homescreens being left to right make them go up and down as well
default browser to take full use of the bigger screen...and word wrap of course
And would love to see a select all files to drag and drop them all at once.

Just downloaded the SDK and had a good play.
It's actually incredibly impressive.
Wasn't sure how incremental of an upgrade, but it looks like it's really taking on some great feedback and ways to improve the flow of things.
Certainly includes a fair few of the utilities we all install as standard.
Sure it'll make it (eventually) to the Tab.

Um incorrect there are no hard minimimums on Android 3.0 as tweetd by their own dev team, this is totally false.
[Moderators please delete this stupid thread.]

I love my Tab the way it is. I'd rather wait for an XDA dev created mod than expect Samsung or Google to reward us with a simple update after we made 2010 a banner year for them.
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The above was written as part of an attempt to waste time using a Galaxy Tab,
Rush exMachina

so awesome when people cut and paste crap.
I myself love my gtab..barring some lockups and force closes....I use it daily as my workout device...i've gotten some odd looks but it's funny to see how many people actually try and nonchalantly glance over to watch the movie I have playing.
Unfortunately it will be short lived love affair i think...as the new G-slate is on the horizon and is superior in all ways but possibly the glass technology...i've been waiting for the tegra 2 processors ever since nvidia did their SOC demo a few years back.
all accounts i'll be taking off march 23'rd and heading to Tmo with my credit card in hand

If I can get honeycomb running fine on my tab at some point then I'm happy to keep using the same device, who knows maybe we'll get some tweaked honeycomb roms that are super smooth and amazing. I love my tab as it is though but I won't be able to justify buying a new tablet until my wife goes back to work after nursing school next year....so yea this device was my last hooray and I'll be squeezing as much out of it as I can.

deciding

I loved my eLocity A7, but lost it through an unfortunate accident...now, i am trying to decide between the A10 and the Ipad 2..i read somewhere on here the A10 " is rooted out of the box"...does that mean if can connect to the android market? Also, can someone explain "true multi touch?" The forums have been great, and I would welcome any input...thanks

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one more to consider is the ENSPERT IDENTITY TAB 7" has android2.2 , full flash 10.1 browsing and full android market. only $350!! True multi-touch.
I'm guessing true multi-touch is the tablet being able to register and accept simultaneous movements on touch screen.
Which I don't know why that's such a big issue I don't mind using a zoom button or double tapping.

I would get the eLocity A10 but if you have more patience on getting your tablet, best bet is to wait for A71, 72 models to show up sometime in April or May. They will have true honeycomb, I know eLocity A10 might be able to upgrade to honeycomb, but I am not sure about.

If you aren't not in a big hurry, I would wait and see what happens. Ipad 2 being a priced at $499, is going to put pressure on Android tablet manufacturer's to sell similar tablets for less. I would assume that most similar Android tablets will sell for around $399. It will be interesting to see what Motorla does in the next few days.
Anyway, I'm about as anti-Apple as you can get, but for $499 with all the new features, I'm even considering one. It is nice to see Apple actually being competative.
I haven't really missed multi-touch on the A7. I have it on my Vibrant and the only thing I use it for is to zoom out on Angry Birds. The simulated multitouch on the A7 works good enough in the browser.

seeking information
Where do you guys get the information about upcoming tablets like the A71 or A72?

Transformer 2 to arrive in October according to Forbes

http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/29/asus-preparing-second-transformer-tablet/
At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.

Yeah I went into the tablet game knowing full well it would be outdated very quickly. I judged my opinion on my purchase solely based on the streamline performance I saw from the models already available at the time, the xoom, and decided it was going to be enough power for me for a while. But deep down inside it does get to you when you see something newer come out a quarter later!

I also heard today that the price of the Asus Transformer is going to drop on the middle of this month, but they didn't give a price. A reaction to Acer Iconia dropping to $398.
I think that the new screens on the next generation of tablets will be really expensive since they will be 2048x1500 or there abouts.
Don

I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?

SparkyRih said:
I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?
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more silly performances...

There is this assumption that there really isnt any point of quad cores as Apps arent optimised for them yet.
However, honeycomb itself was designed with multicore processors in mind. Single threaded apps can take advantage of multicore processors by running the app on one core, and other OS services on the other cores.
Even the most basic of tasks can benefit like browsing and gaming.The OS itself can benefit from quad core.

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http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/29/asus-preparing-second-transformer-tablet/
At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.
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They are just playing the same game as Apple, updating their product on a yearly refresh cycle.
I won't be updating from Transformer to Transformer 2. I'm very happy with my purchase, and nothing will change that. A few years down the road I may repurchase.
I only hope that Asus don't withhold Android ICS from Transformer to give the Transformer 2 a market advantage (it already has one in it's hardware spec).

I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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CROMWarGOD said:
I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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I'd rather have a 3.2 update with no bugs, TBH.

I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.

alan77ss said:
I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.
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After October is December and Christmas;P, so this is a very good time for a new flagship product.
oh and one more thing, If Asus doesn't do this, then another company will. Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.

kafej666 said:
Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.

Underwater Mike said:
I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.
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Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.

UKseagull said:
Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.
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I can tell You that Kal-el is ready but creating a tablet with this processor is another and long story.
Oh and i cant tell Y why i know about Kal-el
Greets

I could easily see them selling both the TF and the TF 2 at the same time, just at a lower pricepoint for the TF and a higher price point for the TF 2. It might be that by the time the TF 2 comes out, component costs will have dropped on the TF and they could price it at, say, $349/$449 retail, and then the TF 2 at $449/$549.
That's just idle speculation, of course, but it makes sense to me, particularly if the specs on the TF 2 are crazy good, which I expect them to be.

IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.

Digiguest said:
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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not true ..... if You look into the future, this is the best chocie but it's true that will always be something new and better ... This is the IT world

Digiguest said:
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.

Your Android device WILL BE outdated in 3 months, maximum 6 months no matter what you buy.
I am happy as long as I get the Ice Cream Sandwich running smoothly later this year.

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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.
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This is the same thing ppl said when the tegra2 was announced. The fact is that honeycomb itself is not mature yet.
I agree with the post above saying quad core is useless. It is useless for the time being cause, while the hw techs is advancing at great speed, the software is still lagging behind. why have a quad core when clearly we do not have many tablet applications? i am not talking about the recent api changes in 3.2 so that apps can be stretched... i am talking about special apps made for tablet only. why improve the hw when there is still way to improve in the sw?
browser typing is clearly a bug in the codes. we do not need to get 4 cores to get rid of it. browser typing lag is something we shouldnt be experiencing even in a single core. quad cores coming out in october is quite outrageous especially for us ( living in europe) . i for one, paid approx 450 euros 2 weeks ago for the TF only (without the dock).

Go with 10.1 tab or Asus prime?

Really like Samsung.. Have the Galaxy s2 skyrocket.. love it. and was thinking of getting the 10.1 tab , but heard the Asus prime is "the tab"..
Have heard issues with qc with asus and with the quad core being the first just alittle skiddish about it..
Im sure Best Buy will put the Galaxy stuff on sale soon..
I have heard great things of the Galaxy tabs..

What do you want? If you really want a quad-core, wait for new tablets first. If you don't need/want quad-core, get the GTab.

Just get the prime, seriously.

Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.

There are like three other threads discussing this same question.
If you have to have a tablet now, then yes, the Prime is the one to buy (assuming you want Wi-Fi only). But, like you said, Asus is a low to mid-level manufacturer and they had problems with the first Transformer and that was a much less complex device. If you read what's going on over at the Prime forum there's potential issues with Wi-Fi strength/range and some question as to just how many units will actually be made available this year. A ton of pre-orders were canceled and Amazon no longer has it listed for sale.
CES is January 11. There have been leaks about both Acer and Lenovo quad-core tablets. Both are supposed to have more RAM (2GB) and higher res displays (1900x1200) then the Prime. I wouldn't be surprised to see them announced in almost production-ready form at CES. Other than being the first Teg3 and having a dock, there's really nothing remarkable about the Prime. It's larger than the G-Tab, iPad2, and new Toshiba Excite. It has the same 1280x800 screen resolution and 1GB of RAM as all the first gen tablets. It also has mono-speakers (they're on one side) and only supports the 2.4GHz Wi-Fi band. I think all the people racing to buy a Prime that already have an existing tablet are going to be disappointed when better featured next-gen tablets start to be released.
If you can wait until February-ish I think either the Lenovo or Acer are probably going to be better choices if for no other reason than having higher-res displays. They'll also ship with ICS pre-installed. But for now, solely because of the Teg3 processor (and keyboard dock if you care), the Prime's the best available choice. You're other choice could be to watch for refurb deals on the G-Tab. They've been as low as $329 shipped for the holidays. You could use it for a few months to see what your options are and then sell it on eBay/CL for close to what you paid for it.

Get the gtab. There is nothing revolutionary about the prime. If you got a little patience, you'll wait two three months and get some of the real next generation tablets.
The galaxy tablet handles everything except 1080p, if you do have a huge collection of that, get something else.
You get one awesome screen, very nice stereo speakers and solid build quality.

slack04 said:
Here's what I would do:
1) post questions in the Q+A forum
2) read the forum and find the other thread ON THE SAME PAGE that asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1383993
3) make up my own damn mind.
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Nice.. thank you for your informative post

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Nice.. thank you for your informative post
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.

I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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If you're still in the remorse period for your Skyrocket you have another option. AT&T's got a deal going where you buy a G-Tab 8.9 and get a Skyrocket free. So if you paid either $149 or $249 for the Skyrocket you'd end up spending either $330 or $230 for the Tab. It's also got a Qualcomm chip which is faster/better then the Teg2 in the Wi-Fi version. You don't have to keep the data plan on the Tab either. If you want to sell it down the road it should also hold its value better than a Wi-Fi Tab.
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I saw that deal.. I have had my SR for about 6 weeks now..

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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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That is what I am thinking.. I will just use my tablet for fun really.. root it, custom roms.. customize it.. not for work or anything..
I mean , does anybody need 4 cores?

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I would say Asus based on the specs but based on their past history I'd avoid them and go with the Samsung Tab....
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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.

I cant tell if you guys are being sarcastic, but serious advice, i got my tab about 6 weeks ago and Im having tablet envy because the prime has more storage for the same money and its faster. I've had to do a lot of customization to mine for it to feel fast.
And if you plan on listening to music or watch any kind of movies on your tab then you will want to have 32gb minimum with MORE storage if you like to watch in 720p.
Having a usb flash sticking out the bottom of my tab doesnt feel right and im always paranoid im going to snap it

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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........
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They aren't the only one that has tablets with ports. The quality of the TF1 was questionable and the Prime either has or had Wi-Fi issues and it's not even released yet.
Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I have a SGS2 and it's been updated like a dozen times. I don't know why they're so slow with tablets. They regionalize their products and offer 3G versions which Asus doesn't so that could explain some of the delay. As Google's platform partner for ICS, the Tab should get ICS faster and better then other brands. Samsung UK announced the SGS2 will get ICS next month. Let's hope the Tab's right behind it. It makes sense for Samsung to get ICS on the Tab quickly to extend its selling life in the face of competition that's supposed to be announced next month at ICS. The Toshiba Excite, a direct competitor to the G-Tab, will ship with ICS when it launches in February so hopefully Samsung will respond before then.

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I would avoid Asus too who needs updates, micro sd slot, hdmi port etc,etc,........ Look at Samsung they never roll out updates....They barely got 3.2 and 4.0 is just around the corner.
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I agree with the updates comment but Samsung has gotten a little better in that area...
I don't need usb or hdmi slots... Some do, some don't but I'm in the don't department..
Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
My $.02

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Not a good sign when a manufacturer with a questionable quality history has to delay its product before its even released because of quality issues....
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And not even agree internally on whether or not the problem exists. Asus Canada notified resellers that shipments were delayed indefinitely while a fix for poor Wi-Fi range was implemented. Asus U.S. said the launch is occuring as announced on 12/19. The Prime forum should be entertaining once people have them in their hands.

You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.

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You can't accuse Asus of a delay when, in fact, they are expected to meet their US ship dates (and we'll find out in two days, won't we?). Out of *all* of the reviewers and websites who reviewed pre-pro and production models of the Transformer Prime, precisely ONE reported any sort of Wi-fi issue at all (anandtech). Hard to believe that, if there was a widespread issue, only one reviewer ever encountered it.
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Then you should run out and be one of the first to get one. Asus had a poor track record for h/w on the TF1 and the Prime's a more complicated device. It may be the second coming of Christ but like many here I'll wait to see what Acer, Lenovo, and Samsung announce at CES on January 11. The Prime's the first quad-core, it won't be the only quad-core and with a G-Tab I love I'm in no rush and don't feel like being part of Asus' QC process.

Actually, yes, I ordered one weeks ago from Best Buy, so hopefully I will be the first one to get one. Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.

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Having played with a Samsung, I'm certainly not interested in anything they'll be crowing about in January.
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I know I should not feed a troll.... BUT....