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Finally today i had enough... I filed a formal complaint with the FTC against motorola and all other mobile device manufacturers out lining the cause and effect of these companies selling us devices that we are made to be only users of rather than owners and administrators the devices we purchased. Nothing will change until we make some one step in and set the rules, i am encouraging everyone here on xda to do the same ... here is a link to the example complaint i filed and the link to the appropriate form to be filed
http://t0dbld.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-complaint-to-ftc-on-lock-bootloaders.html
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
Can I still do this as a Canadian Citizen or is it only for Americans?
mafiaboy01 said:
Can I still do this as a Canadian Citizen or is it only for Americans?
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could not hurt...
even though I don't own this device anymore I still filed a complaint. Rooting this device is much easier than the HTC Inspire. I hope they listen.
Good luck with this. You'll need it. No sarcasm intended.
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t0dbld, I read your complaint and don't take my comment as negative but your complaint is full of grammatical errors. The case in point about Samsung keylogging has been debunked. But your example is always a possible scenario. AT&T data capping speeds for all phones but the iPhone is something we could mention as crippling.
I'm 100% in favor of unlocking our phones boot loader.
http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/032811sec2.html <-- Samsung false alarm article.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect. I appreciate the developers who help the Android community, especially the Atrix.
Here was my submission:
Motorola makes and sells a device called the Motorola Atrix. They have, in the boot-loader, added a cryptographic signing check that prevents any software not created, and signed by Motorola from executing on the device. I believe this business practice to be monopolistic, and anti-consumer. While modifying the operating system voids any warranty on the device, as a consumer purchasing this device I should have the option to modify, or improve the device in any way I see fit.
In short: Motorola is exhibiting monopolistic business practices by locking the device down and disallowing third party operating system software to be installed.
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t0dbld said:
Finally today i had enough... I filed a formal complaint with the FTC against motorola and all other mobile device manufacturers out lining the cause and effect of these companies selling us devices that we are made to be only users of rather than owners and administrators the devices we purchased. Nothing will change until we make some one step in and set the rules, i am encouraging everyone here on xda to do the same ... here is a link to the example complaint i filed and the link to the appropriate form to be filed
http://t0dbld.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-complaint-to-ftc-on-lock-bootloaders.html
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
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I smell an april fools setup post.... if not.. everyone remember what day tomorrow is.
mafiaboy01 said:
Can I still do this as a Canadian Citizen or is it only for Americans?
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kdoodle said:
t0dbld, I read your complaint and don't take my comment as negative but your complaint is full of grammatical errors. The case in point about Samsung keylogging has been debunked. But your example is always a possible scenario. AT&T data capping speeds for all phones but the iPhone is something we could mention as crippling.
I'm 100% in favor of unlocking our phones boot loader.
http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/032811sec2.html <-- Samsung false alarm article.
Again, I don't mean any disrespect. I appreciate the developers who help the Android community, especially the Atrix.
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I replied on the blog but i will reply here as will in case you did not read , that is a blog, i am not concenred with errors or anything there, also that was not my EXACT complaint as i did not want it to just get copy and pasted hence taking away from my formal complaint, while i appreciate your support and interest , i do think your time would have better used to file an actual complaint as per my request , rather than writing me a 2 page comment about mine either way good to have you on board, and make sure yours is well written
You should have let me proof that prior to submission. Other than it being way to long, over technical, and demonstrating piss poor English it did actually make some points! No hard feelings bro
The problem is that corporate America will not read our complaints, they simply don't care about anything but their bottom dollar. The bottom dollar is protected by the boot loader. New features? Go buy our new device!
The way I see it, we have two options.
A.) Petition our government to impose regulations and implement new laws to control these corporations and protect our consumer rights. But wait, doesn't our government make a lot of money off this industry in every aspect? How much tax did you pay when you bought your device? Ever look at the taxes on your phone bill? It's rape any way you cut it. It's not the 'sleeping with your girlfriend while she's passed out drunk' rape. It's more like the 'in the alley, behind a dumpster, while it's raining and dark getting raped by an HIV infected ex-con bum' rape. So my point is, the FTC is a government subsidiary and our taxes pay their salerys. We have established that they enjoy to rape us and we pay them to do it. Keep up the complaints, they just might change their outlook on life. For now, I would say option A can be scratched off the list.
B.) Start a revolution. Unite, gather our firearms, cordinate our forces, and take our country back!
Or someone smarter than I could just crack the damn boot loader... That's all i have for now, time to burn one
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Moved to general as not android development
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I smell an april fools setup post.... if not.. everyone remember what day tomorrow is.
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ummm are you that dense this is not a joke
thedude420 said:
You should have let me proof that prior to submission. Other than it being way to long, over technical, and demonstrating piss poor English it did actually make some points! No hard feelings bro
The problem is that corporate America will not read our complaints, they simply don't care about anything but their bottom dollar. The bottom dollar is protected by the boot loader. New features? Go buy our new device!
The way I see it, we have two options.
A.) Petition our government to impose regulations and implement new laws to control these corporations and protect our consumer rights. But wait, doesn't our government make a lot of money off this industry in every aspect? How much tax did you pay when you bought your device? Ever look at the taxes on your phone bill? It's rape any way you cut it. It's not the 'sleeping with your girlfriend while she's passed out drunk' rape. It's more like the 'in the alley, behind a dumpster, while it's raining and dark getting raped by an HIV infected ex-con bum' rape. So my point is, the FTC is a government subsidiary and our taxes pay their salerys. We have established that they enjoy to rape us and we pay them to do it. Keep up the complaints, they just might change their outlook on life. For now, I would say option A can be scratched off the list.
B.) Start a revolution. Unite, gather our firearms, cordinate our forces, and take our country back!
Or someone smarter than I could just crack the damn boot loader... That's all i have for now, time to burn one
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OK nice ridiculous rant , for the last time that was not the EXACT complaint, secondly the FTC is the closest government agency that would have anything to do with this so what do you think we are doing, third please mr 420 hippy do something on your own than, to many times i have been given suggestions by pot smoking liberals with all the answers... yet never once seen them step up to the plate, while my self on the other hand has a long documented court history for the things i believed in and stood up for, i am not against any method of trying to draw attention and get results as this is not about the phone in my hand today but the future of the industry, so please try any method you wish but than do it and than give us your lesson about rape and pot smoke and alleys as the rest of us act with actions.... not long drawn out imaginative story's after "burning one" than dont make any real sense or have any relevance
No not dense, just real. Why would THIS make a difference, the community has been *****ing about bootloaders being locked for ages. Just throw another *****ing complaint in the pile, they don't care. Get a lawyer pack that can combat ATT and/or moto. Are you THAT dense to think you can make a difference. Dont get me wrong I like your spirit and you have an ethos, but not enough money to fix it. sorry face reality.
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No not dense, just real. Why would THIS make a difference, the community has been *****ing about bootloaders being locked for ages. Just throw another *****ing complaint in the pile, they don't care. Get a lawyer pack that can combat ATT and/or moto. Are you THAT dense to think you can make a difference. Dont get me wrong I like your spirit and you have an ethos, but not enough money to fix it. sorry face reality.
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your right.... give up and win, why vote either your vote doesnt count so who cares
t0dbld said:
your right.... give up and win, why vote either your vote doesnt count so who cares
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Nice rebuttle. And for the record I vote... right down the middle to maintain chaos, because politics are only good when they don't do anything unless they both parties agree on it. If you dont like the bootloader being locked why buy it? Also why not return it.
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Nice rebuttle. And for the record I vote... right down the middle to maintain chaos, because politics are only good when they don't do anything unless they both parties agree on it. If you dont like the bootloader being locked why buy it? Also why not return it.
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Your missing the point entirely , this is not about my motorola atrix, i could care less and mine will be unlocked sooner than later... this is about the fact that they have no right to make us users on devices that we own, we own it we deserve to have administrative rights as well as the option to load what ever software we want on it... period
Go away, troll
t0dbld said:
Your missing the point entirely , this is not about my motorola atrix, i could care less and mine will be unlocked sooner than later... this is about the fact that they have no right to make us users on devices that we own, we own it we deserve to have administrative rights as well as the option to load what ever software we want on it... period
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I end with a quote from Swimming with Sharks (a great kevin spacey movie btw):
"Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of ****. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"
I submitted it.
Everyone please do this it doesn't take any time.
Im sure a lot of XDA users use MegaUpload . This is getting out of hand . MPAA is ruining the internet as we know it . Due process in America has been thrown out the window . Who will be next . What's your opinion on this matter .
Update: Megaupload is back up megavideo.bz
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For your reading (un)pleasure.
New York Post
MediaBeat
Guess Alicia Keys is gonna have to get a new New York State of Mind since Swizz Beatz is going down.
They also said that RapidShare and MediaFire may be looked at. Wonder if this will extend to something like Dropbox too?
I think the internet itself is coming to an end. So sad :'(
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That definitely SUCKS!
Most users use multiupload which uses other host sites that seem to be fine..for now
Personally, megaupload was inevitably going down. There was so much pirated content on it, most getting removed anyways, might as well take down site.
Not siding with MPAA but this argument over pirated material is a mess.
I thought the guy from Steam said it best, people wont use pirated materials if your service is better.
The MPAA said that VHS would mean the end of the cinema industry because people would be able to record their own movies and view them endlessly without paying.
The RIAA argued with the same basis about casettes and recordable media such as CDs.
Yet, movies cost hundreds of millions of dollars in the making which are recovered in matter of weeks. Musicians must pay a share of the money they make with gigs to the RIAA so they can "defend" their interests.
If there's anyone who's not losing a single buck are these guys in the MPAA and the RIAA, far from defending anyone else's rights other than their own.
the MPAA and RIAA should both get broomsticks shoved up their asses, but in the end this was arrest with due process. it just shows how unnecessary SOPA and PIPA are, since copyrights can still be protected under the current law. I mean lets be honest, as much as it sucks we all knew megaupload was hosting illegal file sharing and at the end of the day that is breaking a law no matter how you spin it.
I agree with you. Same thing happened when they shut Limewire down. Who couldn't see that coming. Really surprised any torrent sites are still up.
So lets say they shut down Rapidshare, 4share,...how do we get ROMs? Email? Even XDA has a size limit on uploads.
It is going to go from Internet to Intranet or GovNet.
I want to know how the FBI, A US based law organization is able to have non US Nationals Arrested and take down a site that is not extra-national. How can this be legal or even accepted by other countries.
MegaUpload is not based in the US nor were the arrestees. How does thoe FBI have jurisdiction for this. Just because a website can be accessed in the US does not mean that the FBI has the right to close the site down.
Quite frankly I don't care if New Zealand has an agreement with the US. The laws were not broken on US Soil, the servers were not hosted in the US.
This is like arresting someone form the US because they broke a law that is only a law in Algeria. I seen no difference here.
countries do have extradition agreements with each other and do cooperate in certain areas of law enforcement, ie terrorism and drug enforcement. So this is not something really extraordinary.
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I agree with you. Same thing happened when they shut Limewire down. Who couldn't see that coming. Really surprised any torrent sites are still up.
So lets say they shut down Rapidshare, 4share,...how do we get ROMs? Email? Even XDA has a size limit on uploads.
It is going to go from Internet to Intranet or GovNet.
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it's possible to create a site that simply hosts the roms that we would download. the problem comes back again to the regulation of the internet since people can simply abuse any file sharing sites. you may think that regulation is not required but it really is. remember the deregulation philosophy of the financial sector and the resultant excessive leveraging that lead to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. the problem as with any regulation is to get it right so that it doesn't hinder innovation but simultaneously protects multiple rights of multiple parties. our freedom of speech will never outweigh others right to property. the internet is essentially a public forum so a social contract has to be drawn between all people in terms of the conduit in this forum. just as we have a right to free speech, we don't have a right to threaten someones life. i think this is just some more growing pains for what is still new technology and media.
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countries do have extradition agreements with each other and do cooperate in certain areas of law enforcement, ie terrorism and drug enforcement. So this is not something really extraordinary.
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it's possible to create a site that simply hosts the roms that we would download. the problem comes back again to the regulation of the internet since people can simply abuse any file sharing sites. you may think that regulation is not required but it really is. remember the deregulation philosophy of the financial sector and the resultant excessive leveraging that lead to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. the problem as with any regulation is to get it right so that it doesn't hinder innovation but simultaneously protects multiple rights of multiple parties. our freedom of speech will never outweigh others right to property. the internet is essentially a public forum so a social contract has to be drawn between all people in terms of the conduit in this forum. just as we have a right to free speech, we don't have a right to threaten someones life. i think this is just some more growing pains for what is still new technology and media.
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There is just something that is very unsettling about the fact that the FBI (A US law organization) is able to stop businesses in other countries just because it violates US Laws and has the ability to have extra-national citizens arrested on their behest. I personally only see this as being prudent if there was a law broken while the person was on US Soil and thus are under US laws at the time.
Unsettling yes. However, the media companies want justice. Don't be surprised when RapidShare goes down next.
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Alex530 said:
I think the internet itself is coming to an end. So sad :'(
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There once was the FidoNet, I remember, now the Internet, and if it goes down, we might see something new
I'm sure there will be a major inovative developement effort to defend the PIPA. Or I will just have to move back to Russia, given they don't have "chinese firewall" yet
Megaupload is back Megavideo.bz
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Raistline said:
There is just something that is very unsettling about the fact that the FBI (A US law organization) is able to stop businesses in other countries just because it violates US Laws and has the ability to have extra-national citizens arrested on their behest. I personally only see this as being prudent if there was a law broken while the person was on US Soil and thus are under US laws at the time.
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well megaupload had servers in Virginia. the international factor is another complication in fighting piracy over the internet. when other countries don't act it does add pressure for America to act unilaterally to protect it's property rights. this mutual action of multiple countries proved that we don't need unilateral action and countries can in fact cooperate on this issue.
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Megaupload is back Megavideo.bz
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its still hasn't worked at full source yet. i wonder what would happen to the old megaupload links. can they be transferred or are they gone forever?
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its still hasn't worked at full source yet. i wonder what would happen to the old megaupload links. can they be transferred or are they gone forever?
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I would THINK they'd be gone until they get access back to their own servers because thats where files are stored. They should've gone with cloud options...
MU was sooo good for downloading at high speed.... the other ones just can't match =(
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detdett said:
MU was sooo good for downloading at high speed.... the other ones just can't match =(
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I agree, MU was my best option for uploading super fast, always was. Multiupload is good, but it has a slow as hell uploading time.
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I agree, MU was my best option for uploading super fast, always was. Multiupload is good, but it has a slow as hell uploading time.
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now i have no choice but go with snailServe or snailSnoic
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Hi. I downloaded many games on my computer usually zip with app and data. The problem is when I install app I need to replace data folder on my N/ with the data I downloaded and I cant find it on N/. I looked everywhere, there is no such thing. I dont know is it because of Jelly Bean or no microSD card but I just cant find it. Can somebody help me? Btw Im sorry if there is already a thread like this
No warez on xda
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Reported the thread and like the person above says no warez
If you moved into my neighborhood. I would make sure everything outside was chained down. stealing software is NOT kewl.
this is a legitimate software development forum.
good luck on your quest
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erica_renee said:
If you moved into my neighborhood. I would make sure everything outside was chained down. stealing software is NOT kewl.
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Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
Wow the OP whats to learn how to crack. 99 cent games. How pathetic
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thebobp said:
Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
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Wow. I had no idea there are still people that don't consider piracy to be theft. Aren't you depriving the author of the money he should have earned making the software when you illegally copy and use it without payment?
I certainly understand the pain and frustration with some software just feeling way too expensive... and I'm sure not without sin myself. But I really love that tablet apps usually keep the prices very low and make it affordable to a very large group of people. I wish PC gaming would consider lower prices, larger volume too, especially in this digital distribution age.
thebobp said:
Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
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Get off XDA and do your reading, 1L. You'll never make the review if you hang out here.
Ravynmagi said:
Wow. I had no idea there are still people that don't consider piracy to be theft. Aren't you depriving the author of the money he should have earned making the software when you illegally copy and use it without payment?
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Money can be "deprived" from the author in many ways: through negative advertising, through the pushing of a competing product, through the spreading of rumors. That does not make these actions "stealing". Theft (which, as I've pointed out, requires the deprivation of the owner's item) is just one of many ways to reduce someone's profit, and it is not what is happening in the case of copyright infringement.
There is literally no analogy to theft. If a thief came up in the middle of the night and drove away a copy of your car, you wouldn't give a rat's ass.
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Money can be "deprived" from the author in many ways: through negative advertising, through the pushing of a competing product, through the spreading of rumors. That does not make these actions "stealing". Theft (which, as I've pointed out, requires the deprivation of the owner's item) is just one of many ways to reduce someone's profit, and it is not what is happening in the case of copyright infringement.
There is literally no analogy to theft. If a thief came up in the middle of the night and drove away a copy of your car, you wouldn't give a rat's ass.
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Well in theory you would be pissed if it had your plates and vin numbers and was involved in a hit and run,
The point still stands xda = no warez which according to the rules and recent post's includes talk about it either, but to the op Google is your friend
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Well in theory you would be pissed if it had your plates and vin numbers and was involved in a hit and run,
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haha that is true!
locked.... warez talk is a no no
*Insert Uncle Sam picture here*
The US patent office wants members of the public to report bogus patent application.
This is relevent to us because the idea is to weed out patents for already invented products. This could include a lot of Apple's patents against Samsung products.
Story is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19672986
And you can report them here (I think this is right) http://patents.stackexchange.com/
The website is called Ask Patents.
Edit: Google has a system to search for patents, and if you search for a patent number, there is a link to find prior art as well.
https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts
I'll post it in a general forums as well soon.
Class find :thumbup:
Edited OP with Google Patents link.
I bet it's going to become a lawyerfest once the corporations get the bright idea to use it for lobbying. Or, since lawyers are kinda expensive, perhaps just a researcher-for-hire fest.
Which, don't get me wrong, is not a bad thing in and of itself. In general, the more easily patents are challenged, the better. It may even inspire a generation of interested laymen (mistermentality comes to mind) to take up the cause.
The problem is that the site is supposed to deal mostly in prior art, while the biggest problem facing software patents is obviousness. As mentioned in this blog comment:
Jan de Vos said:
This is probably a good thing, but it will still not help with things that are obvious but for which no prior art exists — i.e., solutions to new problems. I believe very strongly that those kinds of patents should not exist.
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The problem is compounded when obviousness itself can't be easily gauged by laymen.
Nevertheless, I'm glad to see that the Microsoft smacking patent has already been receiving the smackdown.
Nice man!!! Hopefully apple gets what they deserve!
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For those that don't want to access the above link, here is the text:
AT&T is on the receiving end of a $10 million payout each year from the CIA in exchange for providing phone records to help with overseas counterterrorism investigations. It’s a program that the wireless provider voluntarily agrees to meaning there’s no court order involved according to a report from the New York Times.
The publication claims the CIA supplies AT&T with the phone numbers of suspected terrorists. From here, the wireless provider is able to comb their database for call records attached to a given number. These records include valuable information such as the length and date of phone calls. In the event that a call is placed to or from an American number and involved an international caller, the CIA reportedly asks AT&T to mask the identity of the US-based number for legal reasons.
In case you were wondering, the arrangement is said to be different from the tactics the NSA uses to collect phone records although they likely duplicate some of their programs. It appears to have been started sometime before 2010, was put on hold at some point then reinitiated once again.
Naturally, neither AT&T nor the CIA would confirm the existence of the partnership. An anonymous intelligence official, however, believes it makes sense for such a program to be in place. The source said the need to act without delay is often best met when the CIA has developed its own capabilities to lawfully acquire necessary foreign intelligence information.
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At least they get money for it when we all know CIA has other means of getting those data logs anyways...
Not a surprising tactic. Seriously if a terrorist is still conducting activities on a cellular network... just turn yourself in now.
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OH NO!!!!!! NOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE TIME I TOLD MY FRIEND I WAS TAKING A DUMP!!!!!!
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Anthonok said:
OH NO!!!!!! NOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE TIME I TOLD MY FRIEND I WAS TAKING A DUMP!!!!!!
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That's not the sort of information they can glean from metadata (unless your friend specializes in counseling people on that topic).
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That's not the sort of information they can glean from metadata (unless your friend specializes in counseling people on that topic).
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I know. But my point is I don't care. Also I'm just really tired of hearing people complain about losing their privacy and it being stolen from them...meanwhile they sit there and use Facebook and other social media...haha
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I know. But my point is I don't care.
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But people who want to protect their own privacy don't care that you don't care. People who take seriously the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution, and its requirement to have probable cause and a detailed warrant before conducting a search, also don't care that you don't care. People who have studied history carefully enough to know what abuses arise in the absence of these protections don't care that you don't care.
Also I'm just really tired of hearing people complain about losing their privacy and it being stolen from them...meanwhile they sit there and use Facebook and other social media...
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There's no inconsistency between willingly revealing some information--whether to your friends or to the public--while still wanting NOT to reveal OTHER information publicly.
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But people who want to protect their own privacy don't care that you don't care. People who take seriously the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution, and its requirement to have probable cause and a detailed warrant before conducting a search, also don't care that you don't care. People who have studied history carefully enough to know what abuses arise in the absence of these protections don't care that you don't care.
There's no inconsistency between willingly revealing some information--whether to your friends or to the public--while still wanting NOT to reveal OTHER information publicly.
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And I don't care that they don't care. People act like this kind of thing is new. Its been around forever. Anyone who thinks its something that's never happened in the past is blind. I understand the whole privacy thing. I get it. But I look at it like this, I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who sees what I do or say or who I call. I would rather my every move be monitored as long as it has the possibility of some terrorist being caught preemptively.
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Anthonok said:
People act like this kind of thing is new. Its been around forever.
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False. Instead of addressing what people are actually saying, you're pretending that they're saying something they never did.
Warrantless searching isn't new. It's just illegal, immoral, and more dangerous that what it supposedly protects us from.
However, the scale on which spying is being conducted now--the sheer amount of data being collected from hundreds of millions of citizens--is indeed unprecedented. We know that simply because the technology to collect and store that much data did not exist until fairly recently.
I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who sees what I do or say or who I call.
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Anyone who says that there's no need for privacy unless you're doing something "wrong" is woefully ignorant not only of history, but of basic human interaction.
Gary02468 said:
False. Instead of addressing what people are actually saying, you're pretending that they're saying something they never did.
Warrantless searching isn't new. It's just illegal, immoral, and more dangerous that what it supposedly protects us from.
However, the scale on which spying is being conducted now--the sheer amount of data being collected from hundreds of millions of citizens--is indeed unprecedented. We know that simply because the technology to collect and store that much data did not exist until fairly recently.
Anyone who says that there's no need for privacy unless you're doing something "wrong" is woefully ignorant not only of history, but of basic human interaction.
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Yeah. Sure. Cool.
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Why is this useless, off-topic thread still open!?
khaytsus said:
Why is this useless, off-topic thread still open!?
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(1) It pertains to the AT&T Note 3. (It also pertains to other AT&T phones, but so do many of the AT&T topics discussed here.)
(2) The thread was already dormant until you bumped it just now.
This sort of stuff surely has to have been happening for a while, it's not like they get anything useful out of civilians anyways.
The only terrorists they will catch are the ones that the CIA is training funding and helping conduct and carry out their plan. The CIA has been running alqueda since the start of it. The name it self was a US government database that bin Laden liked and used the name. Every major dictator in history the US has put in power funded and then took them out. It's Hegelian Dialectic=Problem – Reaction – Solution.
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AT&T's going to cough up whatever they're subpoenaed to. Bully for them for extracting a fee for it.
BarryH_GEG said:
AT&T's going to cough up whatever they're subpoenaed to. Bully for them for extracting a fee for it.
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You're just making that up. The people involved have acknowledged that there is no subpoena, and that acknowledgement has been widely reported.
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You're just making that up. The people involved have acknowledged that there is no subpoena, and that acknowledgement has been widely reported.
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So? With all that's come to light post-Snowden does this surprise you? The other carriers could be doing something similar and it's just not been made known yet. Post-9/11 the world's a sinister place with both the good guys and bad guys trying to outmaneuver each other with us innocents caught in the middle. If this freaks people out move to another carrier. I guess I operate under the naive assumption that my data being scoured isn't a big deal because I'm not doing anything wrong. My life in data-form would probably be considered pretty boring by those reading it.
Why does everyone think that it's Ok just because they are not doing anything wrong? The founding fathers put the constitution together to protect us from things like this. Lately people are so for giving up their rights all in the name of keeping them "safe" Ben Franklin said " those who will give up liberty for security shall have neither". There are a lot of people who need to wake up to the tyranny that is going on around them before it's to late. The only time people start to care is when it effects them by that time they are a day late and a dollar short. This is a tyrannical regimen we are dealing with and it will only get worse until we stop allowing it to continue just because "I'm not doing anything wrong so why should I care". We either all need to stand up for our rights or we will all fall together.
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boxerlover02 said:
Ben Franklin said " those who will give up liberty for security shall have neither".
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Here's a hint to tell if you're totally off topic for a tech forum - when your posts contain quotes from dead presidents. Fascinating point of view; for Reddit.
I agree I went off topic. But it burns me up that everyone always says "well I have nothing to hide so I don't care". Or there is nothing we can do about it so why should I care... Just think if the men who fought for this country to become a country had that same attitude. There would be no USA. Again sorry for the rant, but we need to hang together or fall separate.
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