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HTC supersonic

WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!

Something doesn't look right to me with the android screen. I have an HTC G1 and I've also tried Android 2.1. Wonder what the 'clock' app is for.
To be honest I'm looking forward to HD2 w/ WM, when it's finally released in the US. Android has a nice interface and concepts, such as the homescreens/widgets/app market/google intergration/etc, but I miss apps from WM6. I hope they still work as I remember from my iPaq.

I actually needed to have 3 options in the poll to answer with my exact feelings
I like my HD2 and im keeping it
I want Android on my HD2
This thing is Fcking ugly and would not give it room in my pocket
There thats better
Im also not sure how much benefit an SSD would be on a phone other than the larger capacity drive for storage .. Im sure we dont tax the flash we have in there for read/writes as it is ..

imo this one is ugly.... not sure if its real or fake.

By the time this is available, WM7 might already be out for the HD2.
The only real difference is Android (if you don't use Wimax). If WM7 is better than Android, then what reason will be there to buy the Supersonic?
And btw.: The buttons at the bottom are super ugly

I don't understand people saying it's fugly. Apart from having no hardware buttons, which I think looks better, it's exactly the same as a HD2 (to look at).
Incidentally, it's definitely not fake. It's been posted elsewhere, with different pics and official links.
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It's personal taste, but I hate those buttons. Hardware buttons are much better.

i reckon they gonna put power button on top

gsingh7 said:
i reckon they gonna put power button on top
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I'm holding out for the HTC Obsession....

freyberry said:
It's personal taste, but I hate those buttons. Hardware buttons are much better.
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Totally agree that it's a personal preference thing. I prefer touch sensitive buttons, but like hardware buttons too. I'm just a slag when it comes to buttons - I'll have em all

gsingh7 said:
i reckon they gonna put power button on top
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Nah mate - the power button is inside, under the back cover

if it's real,the only interesting thing is wimax,personally i prefer wm....

i will wait for the hd3 yeaaah

It looks okay. But I kind of prefer the HD2's hardware buttons.
I would never let this replace my HD2 though, I very much prefer having winmo to android. (For now at least)

gsingh7 said:
WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!
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what is ssd test and how it increases the speed

gsingh7 said:
WOW!!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/25/htc-supersonic-for-sprint-possibly-spotted-in-the-very-very-ugl/
and notice it says HTC SSD test!! So 1GHz+SSD= Super fast
and dont forget Android!!
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Where did you see the SSD part? I think you misread something... Actually, take it like this. You won't see anything different from SSD-like technology in mobile phone (every mobile phone)!
It's not possible for storage devices to be connected on an IDE interface. At least not in mobile phones. Otherwise, you'd automatically get a >200g weight.
So if it's a mobile phone, than it has a flash memory. Which is basically what SSD is all about. So from that point of view, it's nothing faster then the HD2...

I looked at android on the Nexus, but I went with WM on the HD2. I'm happy and not changing anytime soon!
I'd like to see some videos of it in action though.

what are difference between flash mamory and ssd?

I've had WinMo for eons and dog tired of it and wouldn't mind Android on a beasty chassis as the HD2. Also us Sprint users are usually shafted when it comes to cool phones (yeah blame it on CDMA) so if this eventually pans out then i'm in, although i was already salivating with envy that T-Mo U.S was getting the WinMo HD2.
Can't wait for it.

THIS is what I've been waiting for.
If Apple does not increase its screen size and resolution before HTC Supersonic is released, then I'll seriously consider switching to this
However, my hesitation would be there if the camera is as bad as Leo's (I'm refering to the pink patch hardware problem), or if the capacitive touch screen accuracy problem is not fixed by then.
Would keep a close eyes on user experience posted to this forum for a while before deciding. If it is as bad as Leo, then forget it.

HD2 to have windows phone 7 series

Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224

surely looks like one... and it's easier to modify the look of an existing phone with effects than building a whole new device for the express reason to make an advertisement.
But even admitting that WAS indeed a CG'ed HD2, how would it confirm we're getting a WinMo7 update?

You are SOOO RIGHT!!!
I took a screen shot of it!
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It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...

monty_rm said:
It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...
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you are right it is ot a prove

monty_rm said:
It could simply mean that they weren't expecting people to watch the video frame by frame! I can't really see that this means we're getting Winmo 7 for the HD2...
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Seen as there are no phones released for WP7 they had to use some sort of prop for the video!

from the still of the video, I'd say it's either not an HD2 (you can guess only from camera lens and leds), or they went so far as to model it to look thicker and with "rounder" edges.
Still, the fact that they did so much to camouflage it being an HD2 (admitting it actually is), if nothing else, proves that they didn't want to give too many hopes about hd2 getting WM7,otherwise it would have been a good idea to take the most succesful WM device on the market right now and put it in a WM7 video...

Sure, but I have no doubt that WM7 will be running on the HD2 soon after release (if not before.) It uses a newer version of the Windows CE core, so it isn't that inconceivable that it will find its way to the HD2, one way or another. Not sure what all the fuss is about, really. After seeing the videos, the interface is not that great. It is better than 6.5, but Microsoft has NEVER been known for its design strength or esthetic sense. Sure, the guy who was a designer for Nike is responsible for it, but how much do tennis shoes and cellular phone UI's have in common?
I hate the fact that MS has decided to take the position that they have with regard to the UI, but if history shows us anything, this "limit" will mean nothing. Any barrier they put up will eventually be crossed by someone.
I still think that Sense is the best mobile UI experience, and I really like it on the HD2. Microsoft has publicly stated that they will continue development on WM 6.5, so I hope that it gets updated, along with Sense, to preserve what is special about the HD2 user experience. It's just cool, and it does everything I needed my phone to do... even more so with custom ROMs.

vardig said:
Forward to 6:51:30 and pay close attention to the her hand raised to her Ear @ 6:51:38 and Pause....that bak of the HTC HD2 !!!!!!
They have masked the front of the phone with CGI...LoL
HTC HD2 .....YEP !!! there it is !!!
http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224
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Looks like an iPhone to me

A mocked up photo no more means an upgrade for the HD2 than a mocked up photo of a car on the moon means that it is capable of space flight!
Leaks aside, I can't see HTC rushing to provide an upgrade for a device that will be nudging a year old come the time WM7 hits the market. It's rather more likely that MS are teeing up device manufacturers for the next generation of phones. Any link to the HD2, even tenuous ones like the phone in the video, may be because the HD2 is one of very few devices capable of running their alpha/proof of concept.
As to whether I actually want the upgrade...looks OK-ish but seems to be moving too far towards the 'I won't like it if it's too hard and needs me to think for myself' brigade of Apple-loving iWhingers for my tastes. Of course this is all still essentially speculation.

lucky we got htc sence because the OS 7 interface looks ugly

if wm7 doesnot support other ui ,then all the years of development done by htc untill reaching htc sense 2.5 will be threw to rubbish as all future htc phones will not have htc sense , may be hd2 is the last device to use sense 2.5 in htc windows product line ,

hoss_n2 said:
if wm7 doesnot support other ui ,then all the years of development done by htc untill reaching htc sense 2.5 will be threw to rubbish as all future htc phones will not have htc sense , may be hd2 is the last device to use sense 2.5 in htc windows product line ,
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there is always potential for windows 6.7 upgrade for future devices

There actually will be concurrent and continued development of WM 6.5, per Microsoft's direct statements, and Sense UI will continue to be used in other platforms, most notably, Android, so Sense is safe for the foreseeable future. I don't think HTC will scrap it, nor should they do so.
I love the Sense UI, and I wish that MS would adopt it as the stock UI in WM7, but they never asked me.
Seriously, can you imagine how it could be improved if it wasn't just a skin, but actually a part of the OS itself?

Sorry, but the Xperia X1 has been also in WM6.5-promos and it has never got an update...

donalgodon said:
Sure, the guy who was a designer for Nike is responsible for it, but how much do tennis shoes and cellular phone UI's have in common?
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I found that odd as well. Nike? What's that got to do with user interfaces??
WP7 just barely works during some of the video presentations I've seen today. In a couple of the videos, the presenter had to go back to the home panel a few times and try again or just continue on to the next feature.
It might be December before it comes out and then most of you guys will be lusting after the HD3.

Isn't HTC going to have a press event tomorrow at MWC? Maybe someone will ask a question on whether or not the HD2 will receive an upgrade to WP7?

HD2 Running WP7
I hope we can have this OS soon...
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395

This looks fake to me...

I just hope it's not fake...

HD2 OS preferences by consumers (6.5/6.5.3/6.5.5/7/android)

pleasy reply and post why you prefer your selection over others.
this is a discussion thread. feel free to write your opinions.
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HD2Owner said:
this is a discussion thread. feel free to write your opinions.
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My opinion is that this is a useless thread.

the poll is the intresting part.
i simply can't open a poll without a thread.

HD2Owner said:
the poll is the intresting part.
i simply can't open a poll without a thread.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632

Ok,Simple
My Home Desktop is a Windows
My Home Notebook is a Windows
My Work Notebook is a Windows
My company's system is a Network of Windows
..........
So for compatibility I prefer Windows Phone 7.
A Windows will be FULLY compatible a Windows Mobile
After all they are brothers.....
Besides HD2 is a Windows Mobile

shu8i said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
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i saw this but it doesn't differenciate between 6.5 and 6.5.X..
thats the most intresting part... multiple choice is also more detailed in the end...
it's also obvious that in a android dev thread most votes go to android...

Definitely Android!
The more i see from WP7, the more i get bored.. It´s just too simple (squares + text).

android and win 6.5..

waxfresh said:
Definitely Android!
The more i see from WP7, the more i get bored.. It´s just too simple (squares + text).
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if we (da_g to be specific) are able to open up wp7 for unsigned apps etc. it will be a intresting os.
otherwise it's simply too locked down for my taste.
i would love to see android running on this device..

would love to see android on the HD2, went to the HD2 from a Hero and miss the choice of apps on the market.

Well... WinMo 6.5.x isn't so bad, but I feel it a little 'patched'. It's like a car with lots and lots of customizations... but the chassis and motor remains the same. And the closed nature of the SO prevents remodelling these parts.
Anyway, it's not a bad choice, after all.
WP7 is a no-no for me. Just some snippets:
Wikipedia said:
The phones also require a minimum of 8GB of Flash memory since Windows Phone 7 will not support SD card expansion slots.
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The OS may not support multitasking for 3rd party applications or copy & paste at launch. Microsoft has stated that they will implement the copy and paste feature later on via Windows Phone Update and will also implement other features, such as system-wide multi-tasking in ways that make sense, for future releases.
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According to Microsoft documentations, software updates will be delivered to Windows Phone users via Microsoft Update, as they are for desktop Windows users, and the software component, called Windows Phone Update, exists both on the phone (for smaller updates, over-the-air) and in the Zune PC software (for larger updates, via USB connection). Users will be notified to tether their phones to a PC if such an update is required.
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Windows Phone 7 will only run applications that have first been approved by Microsoft and will only be available via the Windows Phone Marketplace.
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Just NO, THANKS.
So, Android is the sane election for me.
And for those who say 'buy a phone with android instead the HD2"... Well, it's a work phone. I didn't choose it

First off, thank you HD2Owner for all of your intresting posts for XDA.
except the WP7 picture, all you have showed as the OS picture is the Sense picture. You should have showed the actual OS home page like WP7( not the second party application, the look becomes appealing in judgment).
On the other hand I would like to play with Android and so as WP7 no matter how restricted they might be but since I have not had an experience with either of them I would love to have them before judgment.
You should have added WinMo 6.1 as there are people still in love with it(developers as well)
I like the regular 6.5 more that 6.5X because it looks simpler but then I am using the Chucky ROM 6.5X and that is simple but problem is that when you theme the ROM you have to theme everything but in lots of time the Devs have not the time to do so. As far as the function 6.5X is better than the rest of them but we are all human and do like change much.
Love to see both Ando and WP7 on HD2 Dual boot or Triple would be awesome.
Thaks for this thread.

until I try windows 7, wimo 6.5 takes the cake.

Android plz!

HD2Owner said:
i saw this but it doesn't differenciate between 6.5 and 6.5.X..
thats the most intresting part... multiple choice is also more detailed in the end...
it's also obvious that in a android dev thread most votes go to android...
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well it seems that the demand for android isn't just because of the android dev thread

android rocks
I want to see Android OS running on HD2. Is definitely BETTER OS and is developing all the time,also it doesnt need the hardware requiments that WP7 need to run

This poll is skewed.
You have Windows Mobile versions separated yet only one Android version when there are several as well. 6.x should be just one category.

I prefer to have WinMo 6.5.x as my full-time OS, but I definitely want android to boot into when I want to. Luckily, that's how it will be when android gets working on it.
I almost voted for android because that's what I'm most interested in there being more development in, but then I though about it and voted WinMo because that's what I'll still use most of the time. I'm wondering if some of the people who voted for android did so because they knew that WinMo would still be there on the phone and would still use it a lot of the time, or if they would really want android if it got rid of winmo all together. Would everyone who voted android still want just android even if it didn't function fully like most android ports? (ie... didn't use camera, bluetooth, etc... if it didn't make use of all the hardware properly?)

Android/WP7 can wait
Wow, that many people prefer 2 operating systems for the HD2 that don't even run on the HD2. I think the cooked roms for the HD2 are fantastic, especially with 6.5.5. Yes, I'll play with android if and when it is available for the HD2. In the meantime I am stoked to have fantastic hardware with an open OS than I can always tweak and modify to my liking.

Android.
Android on the HD2 would be it for me, especially Froyo.

No SDCARD slot for windows7 phones

FAIL ! major

Double fail!
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Epic fail!!
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You have a source link?

First offerings are typically missing things found on more robust devices. Think of the original iPhone--no native apps, MMS, GPS, copy/paste, multitasking, camera, 3G, etc. or the G1 or whatever.
Both iOS and Android started out on devices that were missing a lot of common features but now they are top of the line. I'm more interested in how WP7 looks in a year or two.

I think times have changed. WP7 has to be fully featured now. Smartphones are here, they are mainstream, and they are big business.
Turns out this information might not be correct just yet, here's what I found:
Here's what one can read on Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 portal:
“Some Windows Phones have a Secure Digital (SD) card that's used to expand the amount of storage space on the phone. If your phone has one, it's in an SD card slot underneath the battery cover on the back of your phone.
Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices. When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system.
Warning
You should not remove the SD card in your phone or replace it with a new one because your Windows Phone won't work properly. Existing data on the phone may be lost, and that SD card can't be used in other devices or Windows Phones.”
It kind of sounds like they just want to keep people from jailbreaking/flashing/rooting their phones, but maybe it's what they say.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-shows-off-10-new-windows-phone-7-devices
i take that back so far only 1 phone had a sdcard slot its the Focus all others are packing 16gigs of internal space

Windows Phone 7 has both good and bad, but to be honest, I like it a whole lot better in it's first release than I did with Android when it was first released.
One thing I like a lot, which I know a lot will disagree with, is (some of) the hardware standards. All WP7 phones, as far as I can tell, run the same old generation Snapdragon in the EVO (and even further back to 2009, the HD2). Yet the games and UI look great and run smooth. Having a standard level of specs means that it is easier to build a OS that will run as intended on all devices. With Android it's hit or miss; get a entry level Android phone and things will draaaaggg, get a high end phone without the latest and greatest CPU/GPU (EVO) and things will still not be 100% smooth. Google just can't optimize the experience for all these devices like Microsoft can -- and don't forget as a licensed OS, dev support comes attached.
The SD card thing is CERTAINLY LAME, I mean, what does that achieve? But the benefits to me are clear: WP7 will run smooth across the board; and with similar hardware and Microsoft support, updates will probably come A WHOLE LOT FASTER than what we get on Android.
I personally want to give WP7 a try, it's still missing a couple of important features (multi-tasking for third party media being the key thing). But the Office + Zune + Xbox Live integration looks better than anything comparable on Android, and as a designer who like smart minimalism, the Metro UI is perfect.
...and did you see the Touch Pro 7 coming to Sprint? That's the phone I was waiting for.

Award Tour said:
Windows Phone 7 has both good and bad, but to be honest, I like it a whole lot better in it's first release than I did with Android when it was first released.
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That would be impressive if windows hadn't been on cell phones for much longer than android.

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That would be impressive if windows hadn't been on cell phones for much longer than android.
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Hmm.. Perhaps. Windows Mobile did almost everything Android does, only in a less intuitive/attractive way. Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different beast, and although the core is similar/upgraded, the UI/UX is entirely new. But still, there's no doubt that I'm interested.
Look at the TP7 for Sprint:
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SEXY. Keyboard to die for IMO.

no 4g or front facing camera. im good

Award Tour said:
Hmm.. Perhaps. Windows Mobile did almost everything Android does, only in a less intuitive/attractive way. Windows Phone 7 is an entirely different beast, and although the core is similar/upgraded, the UI/UX is entirely new. But still, there's no doubt that I'm interested.
Look at the TP7 for Sprint:
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SEXY. Keyboard to die for IMO.
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I'm not denying that it looks promising. I just was commenting that it's not the first entry into the mobile market. There has been a lot of trial and error to get there, just like every OS.

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Sounds like the HD2 delivered proof for what the people are saying about it. It just refuses to die.
UEFI MAGLDR - sounds amazing

It's more of a, Microsoft you lied!! Kind of thing.
WP8 from what we can see, has booted up and if its not a different kernel then all windows phone devices are capable of running the new os....
At any rate we must wait for more details instead of pictures to confirm any thing besides what we have seen.
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One more comment:
A lot of problems there still . . . (c) @CotullaCode
And one more picture:

Hello,
For now it's actually just a proof of concept.
I honestly dunno how far it can goes forward; a lot of problems appear and not sure will be it's possible to solve them.
And not only to solve them, but get an acceptable user experience
It was implied as "a crazy experiment" at the start up time :laugh:
For now it's implemented only few functionality like SD card, screen output, touch screen input.
All other things are not working. I won't add "YET" it can be very hard to get some things to work.
and DFT didn't yet decided about future developments in that direction.
It's more of a, Microsoft you lied!! Kind of thing.
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they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.

Cotulla said:
they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.
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Yes that may be right. But isn't there a deeper knowledge of the NT Kernel than the CE Kernel?
I mean you would probably not find answers on StackOwerflow if you ran into a problem developing a CE driver. Chances are higher for NT, you know...

Yes, it helps a lot of, but usually only answers to basic questions. Complex and the most intersting ones are usually always kept answered

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Cotulla said:
Hello,
For now it's actually just a proof of concept.
I honestly dunno how far it can goes forward; a lot of problems appear and not sure will be it's possible to solve them.
And not only to solve them, but get an acceptable user experience
It was implied as "a crazy experiment" at the start up time :laugh:
For now it's implemented only few functionality like SD card, screen output, touch screen input.
All other things are not working. I won't add "YET" it can be very hard to get some things to work.
and DFT didn't yet decided about future developments in that direction.
they can be right also . . .I don't know yet.
But NT is much more heavy system than CE. remember that.
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Sence Nt is much heavy system than CE I wonder if it will be possible or better to have large capacity sd card or if possibleto run this type of rom from sd rather than nand? not realy a question just my thoughts. niceto see some progress in this direction good luck with future crazy experiment. =)

It's now running from SD card. NAND is not assumed to be supported by any way
(there is no native support for such storage medias inside NT, as well no goal to add such support - cuz NAND is too small for that purposes)
But SD cards are not really fast . . . unlike eMMC with 8bit bus inside native WP8 devices.
As well too often access to SD card may produce big power drain.

Hi Cotulla, I noticed somebody's partial fingerprint on the screen in post 3, I hope you don't mind it being posted all over the internet
Thanks for all your hard work

I think we need windows phone 8 section for HD2 D

Drivers I would assume is another issue since with a new kernel the old development drivers are non functional... So its like running a new ver of android on an old device. With some work you can get it too boot, but then things like camera, WiFi, etc won't work.
But it is nice even with all the issues to see that in fact WP8 can run on old hardware. If if all it does is pose for the cameras.
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ouyah!
UEFI @ MAGLDR!
now if only there is a dual/ quad core out there that resembles the HD2 as the software is advancing while the HW is aging.
thanks for your enthusiasm Cotulla :highfive:

That's one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind.
---Neil Armstrong, July 1969
Thanks, Cotulla and DFT team, hope you talented guys can solve all problems.
I have a 32g C10 SanDisk ready.

Does that means someday in the future we will have WP8 on old devices like HTC Titan?

Nice work Cotulla,our precious device is a legend thanks to you and DFT.
VIVA Cotulla and HD2

Cotulla said:
It's now running from SD card. NAND is not assumed to be supported by any way
(there is no native support for such storage medias inside NT, as well no goal to add such support - cuz NAND is too small for that purposes)
But SD cards are not really fast . . . unlike eMMC with 8bit bus inside native WP8 devices.
As well too often access to SD card may produce big power drain.
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well there are class 10 5~10MB/S. It's not hyper fast, but hey not that slow...
UEFI MAGLDR is really amazing. Wow...
Any chance of Windows 8 RT on HD2? I am kidding

tfouto said:
well there are class 10 5~10MB/S. It's not hyper fast, but hey not that slow...
UEFI MAGLDR is really amazing. Wow...
Any chance of Windows 8 RT on HD2? I am kidding
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Nah, counter-intuitively it's actually class 2 cards you want for running an OS from the SD card. Class 10 performs the worst in this case.