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Hi,
I just got the new MDA2 and although it is a really awsome machine I see something very strange: I can open three apps and have them running in the background but as soon as I start the fourth one the first one gets closed automatically. It doesn't matter if it is ms reader or explorer or media player, they simply get closed Anybody else seen this on their WM2003 device ???
Cheers,
Oliver
This is the answer I got from conduits:
" It is indeed a feature of Windows Mobile 2003 -- the operating system will
shut down applications that are in the background when you are low on
memory. In the next release, we will incorporate a "do not close when
playing in background" option, which will fix that problem."
Is really nobody else seeing this behaviour apart from me ? I must be doing something wrong. With 50MB free memory it should not have to close apps down.
To be truthfully I think its a bug in the PPCPE WM2003 OS and has nothing to do with the available free memory at this point. But I'm pretty sure there'll be a fix/update.
HTH
Just read on PPCW.net that the limitation is not memory but an OS limit to 32 processes, for a new one to start once this has been reached an existing one must be closed. Looks like this one could be very difficult to resolve...
Read full article at: http://www.ppcw.net/index.php?itemid=1645
Well, I am onto my fourth Windows PPC device - Casio, HP5450, K-Jam and Dopod838Pro, with various excursions into the lands of Palm, SE P900, Motorola A900. My WM experience is still that the best way to get a fast and stable device is to add the absoloute minimum of today add-ins. Across all these WM devices, whenever I add in something even mildly complex to the Today screen, the device is in some way compromised - either it slows down, needs more soft resets, or it acts unpredictably. When the device was just a PDA, I could live with it. Now that it is my phone, I need it to be 100% reliable. I need the phone functions, I need contacts and calendar. These have to work reliably all the time. After that anything else is a bonus.
So I am in a bit of a dilemma. I added Phone Alarm and everything was fine. Then I added iLauncher3 to the Dopod and BOOM - suddenly there are issues, suddenly everything slows down, suddenly some inbound calls are not answering, suddenly the phone is locking up or executing applications very slowly. SO I take off the Launcher and still there are issues, so I take off PhoneAlarm and everything calms down - except that my WMA ring tones start to play at half speed. And still the occasional freeze. I'm thinking I probably need to do a hard reset and rebuild the phone, but you know, that takes a lot of time and I'm peeved that this is probably the best course of action and I just don't want to have to go through the hassle of doing it AGAIN.
I also own a Nokia E61. I switched back to the Nokia yesterday after using the Dodod solidly for 3 weeks. The biggest reason for wanting to try WM5 again was the jog wheel and the added functionality of it, the cool look of the Dopod and the availability of so much software. But in the final analysis, the way I want to use the device I cannot find a way to use today plug-ins and have a 100% reliable phone - so the available software that I want to use isn't really available at all.
And the E61 is a WAY better phone, has a brilliant profile function, syncs automatically with bluetooth whenever I am in range of the PC (with no intervention unlike the PPC which needs me to manually select bluetooth sync).
I am sure other people will jump in and tell me they have a perfect, stable, fast and reliable experience with their WM5 device, even when using multiple Today plug-ins. I wish that was true for me, but it is not and I so am over doing hard resets and rebuilding the phone with just the short listed software - it should not be necessary.
I am really quite peeved about the whole process. There is much to like about the Hermes, good fast processor, smart looks, there is much to like about the available software, (there is also much to dislike about the relatively disjointed user interface but in reality it is just a way of thinking about how you use the phone). As far as the E61 is concerned it is not perfect either, but at the moment for me it is the better tool because I can turn it on and it will work, perfectly, as a phone, a contacts database and a portable calendar, it gives me fast internet access and availability to the core apps I require (even if it does take an eternity - 30 seconds - to open a spreadsheet that opens in a couple of seconds on the Dopod)
The search for the perfect device continues and yes I am sure sometime in the next month or two I will get brassed off with the E61 and go back to the Dopod - no doubt I will pingpong between these two devices until the next killer device is launched.
I too found out that mixing Today plug-ins may cause instability, including system hungs. I was adding them one by one, and all of them alone work OK, but not all that I tried "agree" to work together. I had to narrow the number of activated plug-ins to compromise between functionality and stability.
I have yet to find the best config for myself. Currently I'm still trying different software (WM5 platform is new for me), and therefore I reboot it often.
OK, frankly speaking, on my previous phone (SonyEricsson P800) I failed to tune the startup sequence of apps that I wanted to run permanently. Finally I ended up with auto-start only one of them, and to start others manyally. It was a real pain due to very long boot time!
Still I like WM5 more than Symbian which is a pity for me 'cause I was a big fan of Psion palmtops!
It can work for you.
I'm really sorry to hear that you guys are having a bad experience in general with your devices, trust me most of us have been there and it has taken too much of our precious time to get these things working reliabily.
That said however, there is hope. I went through many of your experiences including Spb Pocket Plus in conjunction with Wisbar and other plug-in apps.
My final result is quite pleasing and you ought to give it a try if you havent already. Firstly I would recommend a one last hard reset (I know it's a pain but well worth it). Then try this:
1. Install WA2 (Wisbar advance 2 without WAD (WAD is not stable IMO)), preferably the latest version. Then choose whichever skin does it for you (I use Windows Vista portable Edition) and delete the default one once I have my chose one installed. It saves storage space on the device as that's where I install WA2 for best results in stability.
2. I only use Windows default theme (too many discrepancies and inconcistancies with other themes) and then choose my own .png or .jpeg for a background. Rock solid from my experience!
3. Install PhoneAlarm 1.54 (to get instant feedback about missed calls & SMS, instant access and visual feedback for Bluetooth and wi-fi and profiles - like on regular cellular phones). I also use 'MediaPhone 1 skin' as it includes 2 signal bars, 1 for battery life and the other for signal reception (though this is not wholly reliable in terms of accuracy).
4. Install AE Button closer. Excellent tool and has greatly improved the ease in which I use my device (access many programs). Very reliable and stable too.
That's it. Only one Plug-in, which doesn't hog resources as it doesn't need much in the way of accessing the net to update i.e. weather plug-ins etc (I have a web link for that).
I have 8 programs configured to start on my 2 soft keys and 4 actions on my 'Communications Manager Button' (Activate/de-activate Bluetooth & the same for wi-fi). This gives me the same amount of one-handed control over the device as when I use the stylus & shrtcuts in PhoneAlarm. best of both worlds.
5. Oh I almost forgot. I have Spb Backup installed and backup at least once a week and keep a copy on my SD card and on my PC. In the even I want to test some new software out for the day or a few days, I just make sure I have a recent backup of my stable set-up. That way hard resets are not a worry for me as I never have to re-build anymore.
Hope this helps you somehow. If you do give things another try and want some other questions answered, I'll be glad to help if I can.
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
from msmobiles.com
who can get it ?
digifan said:
Many users, including Kevin Rose from Digg.com, have dumped Windows Mobile phones for the sake of other platforms, because they had impression that these phones are slow, much too slow. This impression results from the fact that in Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition applications continue running in the background after user pressed (i.e. tapped with stylus) "X" button of the given program. This is counter-intuitive and makes people think that applications were closed. Big number of applications running in background, of which users are unaware, results in slow operation.
"HTC X-Button" application is included in latest Pocket PC phones manufactured by HTC and recently it even surfaced on the Internet in form of "HTC X-Button.CAB" file, that can be installed:
... and can run in any Pocket PC device (no just HTC-manufactured):
Unfortunately due to legal reasons we cannot publish "HTC X-Button.CAB" application, but we hereby ask developers to develop similar (or the same) program! HTC has proven that not only it is possible but also, that such program works in non-HTC manufactured Pocket PC phones (we tested it). It is not for us to judge how difficult it is to develop such application, but certainly for sure it is possible as HTC shows.
By the way: it is worth noticing that HTC really cares about customer satisfaction because it includes this HTC X-Button application with their latest Pocket PC phones. Such (at first glance) small things really make a difference...
from msmobiles.com
who can get it ?
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i have it runnig in my wizard .i have extrated from another device rom.nice
but is integrated in the rom.as soon i got time i will make a cab.
i also got htc backup but is not runnig yet.
Which device did you get it from? Herald?
doedoe said:
Which device did you get it from? Herald?
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funny enough it was from a prophet rom.
Which ROM? I would also like to extract this application.
This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
levenum said:
This HTC app is nothing new. There are plenty other legal free and commercial task managers out there.
Here is an excellent example: MagicButton.
It lets you close apps by clicking the X as well as switch between apps like Alt + TAB on PC.
There is also WizBar and SPB TodayPlus etc.
There is no need to extract anything from ROM or to re-invent the wheel (unless you wont to hone your programming skills).
Also I am quite curios as to how MS will respond to this move. According to a blog of one of their developers (don't remember the link now) they care about this "smart-minimize" crap so much, at first they didn't let manufacturers add any app in to ROM that had as much as an EXIT option in the menu. According to them "user should not manage memory".
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is about choice and prefences.as how they will react? how do they do react to the stuff we been doing to roms for years in this site?
im suprised tey havent shut down this site yet! or maybe they are learning from it!!!!!!
Well there is a big difference between this site and a company like HTC.
After all this is an unofficial gathering of enthusiasts and MS probably doesn't want to come down to hard on potential consumers even when they tweak ROMs here and there.
HTC on the other hand is one of the largest mobile OEMs in the world that works closely with MS (according to an article I recently read) so it comes across as sort of betrayal, don't you think?
It is 110% right move for us users though.
I find closing applications to be slower than smart minimising them. A Microsoft blog I read when WM5 was launched specifically stated that devices work faster when minimising, providing you have suffecient program memory (not lacking on the Prophet). This is because understandebly Windows takes much longer to open an application than maximising it.
Once in while I just end all programs and give the phone a restart (power off and power on rather than soft reset).
Yes that is the theory, but note the providing you have sufficient program memory bit.
Media player alone when active can eat 5-7 MB (which is why I never use it).
Unfortunately program memory is still short since maximum devices have is "64 MB" which if you are very careful can leave you with 30MB free on the Prophet after reset.
Yes, maximizing apps is faster than loading, but MS forgot a critical point:
There is no easy way to switch between minimized apps built in to WM which only makes things worth. Once you minimize something not only does it keep taking memory, but you also need to go all the way through Settings->System->Memory->Running apps to reactivate or get rid of it.
Sorry to drag this thread towards an argument, but there is no question in my mind that this is one of those cases where MS made a huge mistake and instead of fixing it now trying to sell it as a "feature".
When WM OS runs out of memory, it automatically closes the unused (minimized) apps. It just sees no need to close them if there are unused RAM available anyway, so apps are "cached" in case they will be used again.
You can easely switch between "current set" of apps - just reduce the number of "fixed" icons in the start menu. I leave only Help there and entire Windows Start menu becomes a large MRU list, like on smartphones - and I easely use it to switch between active apps.
The problem of "running slow" lies with badly designed apps. Actually, application should never consume significant CPU resources when lieing in background, but some bad developers forget about this fact.
All built-in applications behave nice. I have a process CPU utilization viewer, and can easely see that these apps when minimized dont even use 1% of processor time.
I'd been experiencing memory leak problem for months. Atleast 1-3 soft-resets were a must within each day. I'd tried out many way to resolve and now I think I've found a way to get over it.
But first, the memory leak in my sense is the decreasing of program's free RAM after each soft reset. Even you are not touching your ppc, your free RAM still going down and hang up at the end.
In my case I primaryly noticed the service.exe size was becoming bigger and bigger from 200KB to 16+MB within few hours (possibly). The problem caused by windows live service. I still do not know any technical reasons behind but after I deleted some Windows Live registry keys, the problem has gone. Now is after my 2 days test, the services.exe has never gone beyond 1.6 MB. System is now very stable no reset required for days.
This might help some system having same problem, so I come here and share this. BUT USE IT AS YOUR OWN RISK.
Go into registry,
HKLM\Services\Windows Live
Delete the keys inside EXCEPT following,
Platform
Plugins
Sync
Version
Also, delete keys inside 'Plugins' EXCEPT following,
Contracts
Messaging
Profile
GOOD LUCK !
nice I will test!
Ill try it out... Hope it doesn't create any issues... Those changes seem ok :\
I don't think many other people are experiencing memory leaks like you, perhaps you should look at your ROM version and what software you have on your device.
LowDef said:
I'd been experiencing memory leak problem for months. Atleast 1-3 soft-resets were a must within each day. I'd tried out many way to resolve and now I think I've found a way to get over it.
But first, the memory leak in my sense is the decreasing of program's free RAM after each soft reset. Even you are not touching your ppc, your free RAM still going down and hang up at the end.
In my case I primaryly noticed the service.exe size was becoming bigger and bigger from 200KB to 16+MB within few hours (possibly). The problem caused by windows live service. I still do not know any technical reasons behind but after I deleted some Windows Live registry keys, the problem has gone. Now is after my 2 days test, the services.exe has never gone beyond 1.6 MB. System is now very stable no reset required for days.
This might help some system having same problem, so I come here and share this. BUT USE IT AS YOUR OWN RISK.
Go into registry,
HKLM\Services\Windows Live
Delete the keys inside EXCEPT following,
Platform
Plugins
Sync
Version
Also, delete keys inside 'Plugins' EXCEPT following,
Contracts
Messaging
Profile
GOOD LUCK !
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16MB+ for your services.exe?!?!? Jeez...
Which build are you using and on which device? I have refrained from cooking WL applications in my Vogue and if what you are saying is true, then I might just start cooking it in (or not at all, depending on your answer )
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16MB+ for your services.exe?!?!? Jeez...
Which build are you using and on which device? I have refrained from cooking WL applications in my Vogue and if what you are saying is true, then I might just start cooking it in (or not at all, depending on your answer )
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A way to completely restore the Windows Live registry tree is uninstall and then re-install WLM cab file.
I used WLM versions Windows Live 10.6.0034.0800 (Fixed).cab and WindowsLive_0409.PPC2005_arm.cab. Both versions generated memory leak on my Mitac mio A-702.
There's no new ROM available from the manufacturer nor any cooked ROM available so far.
And most important is I'm just a cute end-user lol.
Anyway hope this post might help somebody.
bump.........
I wish I could find a way to get Pocket CM Contacts v.29 to run without memory leak. It's unusable for me. My Kaiser will be running at 55%, I get a few text messages with PCM running, and suddenly it climbs up to 80% till I close it out completely.
Damn shame.
I used WP7 for little less than 10 hours and went back to WM6.5....below are my reasons. Feel free to post if you have any.
May be you find a answer from the experts...
-> I use iGo 8.0 GPS software. I couldn't install it in WP7
-> I also use mNotes to sync emails, contacts and calendar from Lotus notes to my phone. (I used Companion link...Lotus notes to Gmail to WP7)
-> It did not recognize my SD card. I use 16GB San disk. May be it is my fault, I did have my card during the first reboot
-> My laptop has XP 64bit OS. There is no Zune software available for this OS.
-> I am not sure if there is a "Mass storage" mode available..
I think it is not possible to use any of the WM applications on WP7. Correct me if I am wrong.
DFT team did a amazing job of porting the WP7 for HD2. But I am blaming Windows for following apple's strategy...in locking the hardware capabilities by using s/w....and be dependent to zune for everything (like itune)
Ari
- iGo is not available for WP7, but you can use Navigon. Maps are basically the same as they come from the same provider.
- You already found a solution for your Lotus sync.
- Was the card in the phone during first boot? How do you know it wans't recognized? WP7 uses it's own file system and the card can't be seen by dektop Windows anymore!
- XP 64bit? WOW, that's really exotic.
- There is a sort of mass storage mode with a registry hack on the desktop PC. Google for it.
- Old WM software is NOT compatible as WP7 is a completely new OS.
Problem
I am trying to revert back to my old roms and having problems.
I put a ottoman rom in it worked once,now the opening screen shows up and it boots into windows 7.I tried task 29,flashed a radio rom all unsuccessful.
Please need help.
My Reason
For me it was because of the battery drain. I loved W7, but if my phone dies quickly it just is not worth all the eye candy and feeling of sticking it to the man...so went back to Android in hopes that there will be real update soon that gives better battery performance.
geewld44 said:
I am trying to revert back to my old roms and having problems.
I put a ottoman rom in it worked once,now the opening screen shows up and it boots into windows 7.I tried task 29,flashed a radio rom all unsuccessful.
Please need help.
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Try to flash a standard ROM (if your HD2 is Tmobile, then download it from Tmobile.com).
Enter into boot loader mode and then try executing the exe file.
Thats what I did. Everything worked fine for me.
Ari
Ok
WOW
Directed at: dr_derqami
Some people are the most unappreciative a**holes in the community.
WP7 should have this,
Magldr should have this,
Who are you?
Last I check the HSPL said Cotulla, Magldr - Cotulla, DFT, Da G, who are we to make demands.
Consider yourself lucky you are able to have anything other than Windows Mobile ( not saying its great, it works).
Show the respect to this community and others before you post.
cdguider.. Chill out dude he's just stating his oppinion about WP7 and hoping for certain features in the future, nothing disrespectfull about that. Please stop crying about such bs...
i would view the current wp7 rom = android cupcake
its a total re-haul and time will tell (they need to catch up at a faster pace though)
Some reasons why I changed:
(i) Camera in the WM7 HD2 port is very poor quality, no autofocus.
(ii) Incoming caller names were not recognised from my contacts list.
(iii) Could order apps from Windows Marketplace, but they never arrived.
(iv) Wanted to try Artemis for WM6.5, which I think is far more polished.
I'll try WP7 again, say in a year's time once the bugs are ironed out. Sunk enought time on this trial - time to move on.
Credit to those that managed the port. Impressive.
[J]
Johnnyboy21 said:
Some reasons why I changed:
(i) Camera in the WM7 HD2 port is very poor quality, no autofocus.
(ii) Incoming caller names were not recognised from my contacts list.
(iii) Could order apps from Windows Marketplace, but they never arrived.
(iv) Wanted to try Artemis for WM6.5, which I think is far more polished.
I'll try WP7 again, say in a year's time once the bugs are ironed out. Sunk enought time on this trial - time to move on.
Credit to those that managed the port. Impressive.
[J]
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camera- auto focus works ok for me, quality is the same but it doesnt appear to do wide screen shots just yet which is its only down side
Caller ID- mine works just fine
Market place- Downloaded free apps and bought Music without any issues
WM 6.5 may be polished, probably because its been out for a long time, what version that up to now, 50 odd?
What i find really amusing with peoples complaints of WP7 is that almost all of them are well known, i do find it intresting that people flash this with software they know to not meet their needs then complain about it.
Personally, coming from a very heavy WM user, i wasnt sure what to expect, would i like the UI, could i do without the WM apps, could i make do with whats available? would the inability to mod the crap out of the OS put me off, and the answer is, none of its bothered me, yet, im very intrested if it lasts.
There is only one single program i really do need that isnt available on WP, thats a major pain in the bum, but i only need that every once in a while so i think ill dust off my Old Touch HD and use that when i need too.