Bit of a noob question here, but is there a way to use SAP to utilise my cellphone's SIM contacts and network so that when I'm indoors I can text and call on the AMEO and then disconnect when I'm out and about. Currently I have to SIM swap as I don't like making calls on the Ameo in public.
Basically I want my Ameo to act a bit like a RSAP car kit....utilizing my phone's SIM list and transmitter when needed. This would not only be very convenient but would I think make the Ameo's battery last a hell of a lot longer as in my experience GSM/3G drains a lot more power than BT.
could the Ameo do this?
Or is it possible to develop a programme to do this?
I trust that someone out there knows.....
(Both handsets support SAP)
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
leoni1980 said:
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
apd said:
I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
leoni1980 said:
That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
it was i who created that post about using a SAP profile as a remote phone...
and not a single person chimed in then...
i have done soem extensive research on this subject...
i have found that you need teh development kit for a sim access server (as our phone already has a license)
basicly if someone has a nice car (dump the os) =p
but if we dont have as im access server its not possible...
if someone can get their hands on a sim access server this could very well be a possibility
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? T0I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
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No sap in this case means sim access profile. It is the same protocol used by bluetooth car kits which basically allows you to remotely view your contacts and call them or text them remotely. Such a utility would i think be brilliant with the ameo as one could connect to, say a nokia n95 and use its transmitter and phonebook whilst at work or static to make and receive calls and browse the internet, then disconnect when out and about. This would be worlds apart from using a bluetooth headset i think.
Bluetooth has been available on mobile phones for almost 10 years
My shiny new Hero which I consider to be an excellent piece of work is pretty useless in this department....file transfers hands free connection etc
If a phone that costs £30 from tescos can do this why cant the £400 quid hero?
Why is android incapable of this extremely basic functionality? Why are android phones on sale at all? the OS is not finished and will not be untill Bluetooth just works.
I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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Don't just blame Google tho... Android is open source and the Hero's version is a seperate dev branch to the cupcake 1.5 thats on standard 'Google' phones. I mean they must have fiddled with it anyway as some things that worked on the standard 1.5 build don't work on the Hero.
So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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So HTC are just as much to blame for this... what can we call it... oversight...
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
Unfortunately, Apple showed that the market will accept reduced functionality in devices, when they shipped the original iPhone.
However, with respect to Google, I fully agree that nearly a year down the line since the G1 was launched, they should've got further than they have with Bluetooth support.
Regards,
Dave
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No they are not! The reason that this functionality is not available is because the Bluetooth APIs have not be finalized. Whilst potentially HTC could have added their own, this would have fragmented Android as an OS and this is definitely not the way forward.
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon. It's also the reason you get "with Google" phones, if you want a pure Android OS those are the phones you buy.
HTC should have seized the opportunity to fix some of the glaring ommisions from Android, epecially considering that there is no indication that any more bluetooth profiles are included in donut.
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Ask Google. They're the ones that only programmed handsfree profiles in. Apparently it's supposed to be fairly soon.
Also, you know what they say about assuming.....
but yeah, it's a bit of a glaring omission. but then didn't the iphone do exactly the same when it first came out?
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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I say assume, but HTC posted bluetooth profiles on the android community as GAP SPP HSP HFP A2DP and AVRCP profile, so where are they?
I admiit I should have checked for OBEX, I was probably caught up in the hype, and the oooos and arghhs of the reviews, perhaps the reveiwers should have started with..... erm this phone does not work before we parted with our hard earned. Shame on you engadget
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Just get BlueX and use one of the many methods to root the phone, then you'll have full send/receive bluetooth capabilities. It's very easy.
does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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does bluex actually work on the hero? and is it one of the ones that seems to be hidden on some hero devices?
Didn't know that HTC had put those profiles out there...but if they're just in beta or being tested, then i am sure they'll be here soon.
and besides, the base android build on the hero is the same as on the magic, it's just had a few kernel changes for any hero specific hardware, it's still running 1.5.
i personally knew the device had no obex, and still got it. I suppose it's each to their own really. Millions of people got the iphone and were rabid about how wonderful it was even though it was missing some basic features. i bet hero will have the same kinda people, on both sides of the argument.
i like it and am happy, but am certainly not going to defend the missing features, i just rely on the fact that as i am happy with it as it is, anything extra is a bonus.....
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I for one have not beeen able to get Bluex to work on Hero neither Root explorer????
Ok (Grits teeth)
Still love the phone would still buy it (friends probably wont till bluetooth fixed) would have liked a choice on the bluetooth though.
If the reviewers were paying more attention to the bluetooth deficiency I am sure google would be urgently fixing it!
Guess will have to wait. Please dont hesitate to let us all know when you find out they've fixed it
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The Android OS will become fragmented, Android is designed that way it's supposed to be a base on which mobile phone manufactures can build upon.
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Yes it is - and the bluetooth APIs are part of that base!
Google were very specific about why they chose not to ship Android with broken APIs (see http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/some-information-on-apis-removed-in.html ). If HTC had "done their own thing" they too would have been committed to support this for years to come.
As a developer, personally I'd be happy to wait for a single fit-for-purpose API to come to Android, than support a wide variety of vendor-specific extensions.
If Android wants to gain serious traction in the Smartphone market, they need to look at Apple and the iPhone. Here you've a single software and hardware platform which is going to make application development far simpler.
It is ok to build on top of the Android platform (as you said yourself), but if each handset vendor goes about changing the underlying nuts and bolts differently this will adversely affect market acceptance of the platform.
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Dave
so bluetooth does not work on shipped devices?
it works on the htcmagic hero rom but not on the dream hero rom. hack
i wonder why
bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
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bluetooth works, but only for headsets.
maybe the magic rom has bluex installed, as i know bluex works on the magic, but not on the hero
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Hero supports a few more profiles than just headsets.
From the HTC website:
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What Bluetooth profiles are supported?
The phone supports Bluetooth Headset, Handsfree, A2DP, and AVRCP profiles. You can connect your phone to a Bluetooth hands-free headset or a Bluetooth car kit and use those devices to listen to music and send and/or receive calls. Transferring files between your phone and PC using Bluetooth is not yet supported.
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We won't see file transfer or OBEX until Google finalize the bluetooth APIs.
Regards,
Dave
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I have pissed off several friends by recomending this phone pre release assuming that the bluetooth profiles had been fixed on the hero. But if they cant send mates in the pub a photo of a friend falling over or use their hands free kits how can I blame them?
Is there a timescale for adding working bluetooth to android?
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Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
RussST24 said:
Agree about the file transfer (although its a smartphone so use flikr/twitter)
As for handsfree I am using just fine with my Parrot MKi9200 car kit. Full handsfree and A2DP Stereo support with controls. Full address book sync etc.
So apart from file transfer its got a full set of useful features.
Russ
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
The Bluetooth kit in my Land Rover Discovery 3 can pull the contacts list off my Hero and also notify me of who is calling in the head unit.
Pretty sure its not been pulled off my Nokia N85 when I used that as there is no storage in the kit as far as I am aware.
Its also just to note - a Nokia kit sourced / OEM'd by Land Rover and is the standard Bluetooth PTI they factory build.
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How did you get the address book to sync, I thought this didn't work, and it doesn't seem to with my Alpine kit. Did you install bluex?
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No, I have the same car kit, it just works as is from the box.
Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Hi,
I was a bit confused by this thread and all the bluetooth problems. At the moment I have a Touch Diamond but I am up for an upgrade in the next month so I am looking at either the Diamond 2 or the Hero. I have a Sony BTNX20 stereo BT headset that i use for everything, Will I still be able to use this headset for stereo music on the Hero? Also what video files can it play? Or is there something like Core Player available that will play everything? A bit off topic but i thought id ask since i had a bluetooth question!
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Your BT headset should be fine, as for video play back... well it's poor. And as for Core player it won't be out for long time (if ever!).
I Tried Twice To Connect via Bluetooth with both my laptop and another phone but It Always says service not supported and I couldn't Receive any files through Bluetooth, although it pairs fine.
any Ideas?
Thanx in advance
You can only pair with a headset with WP7 as of now. It won't pair with computers and other mobile devices, but I'm sure someone is working on getting it to work.
And this is for all WP7 devices right now not just HD2.
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You can only pair with a headset with WP7 as of now. It won't pair with computers and other mobile devices, but I'm sure someone is working on getting it to work.
And this is for all WP7 devices right now not just HD2.
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Oh I get it thaaanx
These Little things will make me hate WP7
I wonder why they prevent something like this in the first place
Well its working for me then?
Russ
russpattaya said:
Well its working for me then?
Russ
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Niceee
R u able to send and receive files via Bluetooth ??
No it error's at OBEX file needed, but maybe that will be updated later? But my bluetooth ear piece works fine.
Russ
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No it error's at OBEX file needed, but maybe that will be updated later? But my bluetooth ear piece works fine.
Russ
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OIC Hope there'll be a fix for this
I didn't know what to say when a friend of mine tried sending me a pic via Bluetooth and it didn't work :S
How do you guys connect your BT headsets?
Cause my phone does find other phones but it does not find my BT headset..... :S
Please help me out! I need Handsfree for my daily life.
I have installed wp7 on my htc hd2,everything works on in except the bluetooth i cant get in to connected with other devicesWhen i try to connect to another blue tooth device i just get a message unsupported.so just wondered can anybody help with this problem im have?.
Hi, Yes I have the same problem. I have found out that the bluetooth works with hands free car devices, but will not bluetooth to other phones
Thanx adamicj1,but is there a fix to sort the problem out to connect to other phones with Bluetooth?.
Actually, this is not a bug, but a "missing feature", unfortunately.
And it does not concern "hacked" HD2´s with WP7, it´s true for the whole platform.
Let´s wait what the official update will offer...
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Actually, this is not a bug, but a "missing feature", unfortunately.
And it does not concern "hacked" HD2´s with WP7, it´s true for the whole platform.
Let´s wait what the official update will offer...
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Can someone expand on this?
Do you mean Windows 7 mobile does not allow bluetooth?
Or it is just error full?
I have a Jawbone Icon, so will that not work on Windows 7 on the HD2?
martialarm said:
Can someone expand on this?
Do you mean Windows 7 mobile does not allow bluetooth?
Or it is just error full?
I have a Jawbone Icon, so will that not work on Windows 7 on the HD2?
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Yes, it means WP7 bluetooth develope is only intended to work with hands free (portable, car kit,...) but not to send files to other devices. Maybe it will be developed in a n ear future and the feature included, but so far its not a bug, it is just not developed :-(
Hi, Sorry there is no fix as yet
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Thanx adamicj1,but is there a fix to sort the problem out to connect to other phones with Bluetooth?.
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The previous ROM worked fine with my BMW, after installing the latest WP7.8 ROM it stopped working.
Strange, because in the Mercedes both versions keep working ...
I don't get the pop-up on my phone to enter the handshake code, while the BMW is waiting for that.
In the Mercedes no handshake code is needed ?!? it connects anyway
Thanks for looking at this.
I have an Nokia 822 with native Bluetooth file transfer installed. Whenever I want to pair the phone with my sister's iPhone to send her pics, her iPhone says that Windows Phone is not suported...WT
Strange....my 810 sends Bluetooth files to my girlfriends GS3 just fine...maybe it's the iPhone that has the problem ?.
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I'll redirect you to that link here - it might help you: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57487855-233/ios-could-get-bluetooth-file-sharing/
But as was already said: iOS does not support OBEX file transfer via Bluetooth which is the standard everyone else has been using for sending files via Bluetooth since there was Bluetooth.
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I'll redirect you to that link here - it might help you: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-57487855-233/ios-could-get-bluetooth-file-sharing/
But as was already said: iOS does not support OBEX file transfer via Bluetooth which is the standard everyone else has been using for sending files via Bluetooth since there was Bluetooth.
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Thanks guys so basically it's Apple who [email protected]#cks! Granted that Bluetooth is old technology but it still comes in handy from time to to time.
sinister1 said:
Thanks guys so basically it's Apple who [email protected]#cks! Granted that Bluetooth is old technology but it still comes in handy from time to to time.
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Gasoline engines are ancient technology and they also come in handy from time to time.
Well now I'm even more glad that I didn't get an iPhone. Ugh we are getting them at work so I will have no choice but to carry it around.