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Got the green light to get a hermes!

So, after discussing the options to repair my old blue angel (cracked digitizer ), the accountant (AKA The Wife(tm)) gave me the green light to get a hermes.
My question: Which one to get? I know of the first generation having the touchscreen problems and loose keyboards, but I can't seem to find anything that identifies the models that have these problems.
I see on ebay and various places the occasional Softbank. I am aware of the "dangers" of getting a softbank that is not unlockable/flashable, but with a price usually considerably lower than the other versions of the phone (HTC, Vodaphone, etc), they are tempting, but if they are already unlocked, I question the ability of the unit to accept different ROM's.
Anyone have any advice on what to look for/versions to avoid? Thanks!

Why don't you get the HTC TyTN II aka HTC Kaiser?

I would wait until the Kaiser is out and get that. It will be the latest and no need to upgrade for a while.

If you're sure you want to go with a Hermes (nothing wrong with that) instead of waiting on the Kaiser, take a look at this wiki page for problems with different models. At this point I don't think there are really any major problems on the newest models.
Also, when I shopped around for mine the 8525 was generally the cheapest available here in the states. If you go with an 8525, maybe look for an AT&T branded phone, as that should be one of the newest production models (won't get stuck with an old one with alignment issues).

Well, as much as I would love to get a Kaiser, the cost is high enough that it is not really an option. I'm seeing the Hermes going for around $400 to $500 used, with pre-orders for the Kaiser for almost $800. I may try to go that route still.
I've looked at the wiki, however, as is the case, sometimes people don't have the time to update it, so I thought I'd check with those who are currently using them now.
And the 8525... I've avoid that one. Something about AT&T/Cingular removing features from the phone and the fact that I'm seeing a more of those for sale over any other model kind of worries me.
I really like the look of the softbank, I'm just worried that if I get one unlocked, that it was done in a way that would prevent me from flashing a custom ROM on it.

Well, I recently bought a Softbank X01 for myself. The stock I got seems to have been made in July and so far it's performing nicely. The ebay seller said it was unlocked for use on the networks in my area (Rogers Canada) and sure enough it is. It also came flashed with a Dopod ROM of WM6 which was a bonus for me, as I 've never flashed ROMs onto things before.
The only problem was the keyboard layout didn't match what the software thought it was -- that is to say, I just had to tweak which keyboard version I had installed and then all symbols on hardware keyboard were in correct position.
If it helps, here's the seller I got it from. I did the local pickup, but they apparently have shipping too.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-SoftBank-X01...ryZ64355QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

For the record, the only thing different about the 8525 is the lack of the front facing VGA 3G video camera. Since there is no 3G video call capabilities in the US, there's no need to have it. The 8525 is a HERM100 device. See here for an explanation.
The likely reason that they are available all over is the fact that AT&T subsidizes the cost of the phone. For instance, I can buy the phone through my business account for $300 with free activation, free shipping, etc. If I wasn't lazy, I'd pay the $300 and sell it on ebay. Also, the 8525 is the only one available from a carrier in the US. So if you're looking on ebay.com, that's just what you're going to see. Just like you'd probably see a lot of Dopods in south east Asia.
There's nothing wrong with the 8525. Other than the front camera, the only differences between the 8525 and any other Hermes is purely cosmetic. I've had mine for 6 months, and it's been rock solid.

Toleraen said:
For the record, the only thing different about the 8525 is the lack of the front facing VGA 3G video camera. Since there is no 3G video call capabilities in the US, there's no need to have it. The 8525 is a HERM100 device.
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Toleraen said:
There's nothing wrong with the 8525. Other than the front camera, the only differences between the 8525 and any other Hermes is purely cosmetic. I've had mine for 6 months, and it's been rock solid.
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Thank you, that's good to know. I do have to admit that the price difference is considerable enough that it is tempting.
I would just hate to get one then tomorrow T-Mo/AT&T/some new carrier named grasshopper announces that they are rolling it out in my area.
I'm sure the chances of that happening are about as much as a little man dressed in red starting a brisk trade in ice skates, but one never knows.
Is there any software that makes use of the front camera if one is not using it for video calls?
Oh, I can't seem to find an answer on this one either: Can the hermes make/take a voice call while the data (GPRS/EDGE/whatever) is active?

The 8925/"Tilt" is coming out on Monday. The price difference will likely only be $100 to $150. I'd probably go with the Tilt instead if it is within your budget.
It can take voice calls when the data is active. Most of us probably keep the data connections active all the time.

You can take a call while using data, but if you're on GPRS/EDGE the data will disconnect while you're on the call, but automatically reconnect. If you're in 3G coverage you can use both at the same time. I'm pretty sure that's true for any phone though. I don't believe T-Mobile in the US has rolled out any 3G coverage either.

OK, thanks for all the info. It's given me some things to consider and think about.

HTC to USA : No 3G Touch HD for you

Not fair!
"HTC made a confirmation on their Twitter page that there are no plans to bring a 3G Touch HD to the US. "
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/7689.html

Those filthy mothers! I goddamn It!!! its because they hate us! And now I hate them... But i will still buy there products. Ok so i'm hypocrite but Its the lesser of the 2 evils (apple) The HD would cripple there competition.
{Bitter as ****!}

It'll happen eventually, I'm calling BS on them turning down a giant US market with an iPhone killer in their hands.

http://twitter.com/htc
Is where they say that there is no plans to release the HD on US soil.

And the final nail in the coffin: http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282

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And the final nail in the coffin: http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282
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Wow... I'm shocked. This phone that half the forum was ready to jump on, the iPhone killer, best PPC phone made to date as some have called it... And they don't bring it to the US. I'm still skeptical, I think they may change their minds.

Well, they did get FCC approval for the EU version that doesn't support US 3G frequencies, so who knows...

does someone wanna let me live in europe with them?
ill ask my aunt.

I don't use usa 3G anyhow, since t-mobile only recently got it going with the Android. So, I'll happily use EDGE with this masterpiece when I get the pre-ordered unlocked european version!
Someday there will be a usa 3G version, but most likely for the at&t bandwidth....

that's wack i think they are missing out on a very big market i don't see why it can't be relased in the States this is probably the best competitor to the Iphone

Maybe they realized they need to stop being retards with pressure sensitive screens and they'll bring one to us in the US with a capacitive screen.

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Maybe they realized they need to stop being retards with pressure sensitive screens and they'll bring one to us in the US with a capacitive screen.
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Well, we're getting there with the Diamond and Raphael having capacitive button areas. Now if they'd just do it for the entire screen, that would be something else. Not sure how WinMo 6 would handle it, though. Maybe we have to wait for 7 to see that functionality... I hope they mention something about it at the PDC. Can't wait to go there

This is terrible news I suppose HTC decided it wouldn't be worth producing a US version of the phone as sales wouldn't generate enough revenue. I guess they don't think they can compete with Apple's marketing power/magic/overhyped iPhone

I am very disappointed, I actually feel lost and confused. This was the phone I was going to ditch my iphone for. I could always get the Fuze now but was so disappointed with my Diamond I just don't see how the Fuze will live up to my expectations.
Maybe the X1 or Omnia will be my next phone.

From wmpoweruser.com, find below 3 speculations on why HTC may have decided to do this:
1) AT&T demanded that the HD stay out of USA, to prevent any competition with the iPhone 3G. In return they would carry the much delayed AT&T Fuze. This is supported by the absense of the HTC Touch Diamond on AT&T, indicating they do not welcome good competition to their favourite phone.
2) HTC did not want to draw attention from their new G1 android phone, and therefore decided not to release in USA.
3) HTC thinks the investment would be wasted, due to the local dominance of the iPhone in USA, unlike in Europe, where the seemed to have accelerated its release.
I'm going with reason #1. Apple and AT&T are the devil and the devil's spawn, respectively.
Looks like XDA-Developers is going to have to start calling on some HARDWARE EXPERTS!! Swap out the radios perhaps???
Very disappointing news, but hopefully this just means that we'll get something even better when the Touch HD II is born!

stpete111 said:
1) AT&T demanded that the HD stay out of USA, to prevent any competition with the iPhone 3G. In return they would carry the much delayed AT&T Fuze. This is supported by the absense of the HTC Touch Diamond on AT&T, indicating they do not welcome good competition to their favourite phone.
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This is why I'll never be an iPhone user

g1 sales?
If they said the t-HD was coming in march they would kill half the g1 sales, I figure as soon as the hype for the g1 is over there will magically be an t-HD for USA. I am waiting for a t-HD pro w/ keyboard. I got the g1 to play with/take apart until then.

Looks like i made a good gamble... i gave up on the fuze and speculated the HD would be months out and got a US Diamond 2 weeks ago.
Looks like i will be using the diamond a lot longer than i thought. Love the phone.

1) I think AT&T is mostly responsible, since they would probably just delay the HD until mid way through next year. And who would want it then if HTC reveals a new and better device? Besides, AT&T probably doesn't want an iPhone-killer that is going to kill its iPhone.
2) Tmo and Google could also be responsible. Judging from how well G1 sales have been going, Tmo might want to get its hands on a second Android device to hit two price-points: one all-around "good" device with keyboard at $179 (the G1), and another high-design iPhone-killer at ~$299. So who knows, maybe HTC/Tmo/Google killed the HD in order to resurrect it as an Android device. After all, there has been no shortage of "Android on HD" comments everywhere, and Tmo actually keeps track of the blogosphere.

The latest on HTC's tweet:
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948811620

chinless hero?

hi,
i'm form the uk and seriously looking to get one of these phones or anything running android, in the last month i have used 2(3) devices i have had a blackberry 8900 (running beta os) and a htc touch hd (running both android and winmo) the android on my htc hd is very very very very buggy and fails to unlock nearly every time meaning it needs a full re boot but from what i've seen from it i loooooove android and have decided to go for android over an iphone my budget is pretty much any thing under £300 but i am willing to go over, i have looked at both the hero and the magic i am tempted by the magic just because it is cheaper but hero with multi touch is irresistible. but heres my question. i've seen the sprint hero which i believe is chinless and well i prefer the look of that does anyone know where i can get one of them in the uk, or does anyone have any other recommendations of phones i would like? also as you can probably guess i have the beta bug and love using cutstom roms and firmwares i have been using android 2.1 on my htc hd so is this available for this device?
sorry if this question has been asked 1000 times but i couldn't seen to find a search button

The GSM ones all have it.

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i've seen the sprint hero which i believe is chinless and well i prefer the look of that does anyone know where i can get one of them in the uk
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The Sprint Hero is a CDMA device as opposed to GSM - there are *no* CDMA networks in the UK full stop, so it would never work in the UK.
Note for the pedants - W-CDMA is part of the GSM standard, but W-CDMA <> CDMA, though the technologies are very similar! So, when I say no CDMA networks, I'm referring to networks like Sprint and Verizon in the US.
Regards,
Dave

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The Sprint Hero is a CDMA device as opposed to GSM - there are *no* CDMA networks in the UK full stop, so it would never work in the UK.
Note for the pedants - W-CDMA is part of the GSM standard, but W-CDMA <> CDMA, though the technologies are very similar! So, when I say no CDMA networks, I'm referring to networks like Sprint and Verizon in the US.
Regards,
Dave
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thanks for your help mate looks like ill just have to go with the chined hero which i don't like as much.

Hey Slaming,
You will grow to love the chin. It stops the screen from getting scratched when you lie it face down, it makes it more comfortable to hold when texting and makes it curve around your thigh when it's in your pocket.
Do yourself a favour and get the Hero asap!
Cheers,
BS...

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Hey Slaming,
You will grow to love the chin. It stops the screen from getting scratched when you lie it face down, it makes it more comfortable to hold when texting and makes it curve around your thigh when it's in your pocket.
Do yourself a favour and get the Hero asap!
Cheers,
BS...
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Ahmen to that, i had the same feelings when i first got the hero, for me it was a choice of Hero or HD2, but the HD2 had WinMo, and though i would like to have a play with WinMo7 when its out, Android secured the deal for the hero, but after a week or so, i changed my mind on the chin, its quite usefull, now the only reasons i hate it is because it dont fit in the accessories that well, but i can over look that, its not a big deal.

I actually prefer the chin. It makes the Back button a little easier to reach when you're holding the phone with one hand, and it's a button you'll use a lot. It also looks pretty cool and a couple of girls have asked me "hey what kinda phone is that" whereas the CDMA Hero just looks like any other phone.

yeah i'm definatly going with a hero now all i have to do is pay of my mum for my mac then save another £350 ish for a new hero which should all be good btw i am 15 so i'm not like 30 and have a loan of my mum lol
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wow nexus one only £10 extra i think i might be going nexus one but is there any diffrence between hero and nexus one bar multi touch because i know multi touch is meant to work now with the new update

slaming said:
yeah i'm definatly going with a hero now all i have to do is pay of my mum for my mac then save another £350 ish for a new hero which should all be good btw i am 15 so i'm not like 30 and have a loan of my mum lol
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wow nexus one only £10 extra i think i might be going nexus one but is there any diffrence between hero and nexus one bar multi touch because i know multi touch is meant to work now with the new update
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As much as I love my Hero, i'd go with the nexus one for its faster processor, dual mics, and beautiful screen. Of course, there are cool new phones coming out all the time, so do yourself a favor and save up some money now so you're ready when the new htc stuff arrives.

chin makes hero stand out from the rest of the mobiles out there!

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do yourself a favor and save up some money now so you're ready when the new htc stuff arrives
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There's always new stuff coming out, if you wait for the next batch of phones, they'll have announced the next next batch, and you'll never end up buying anything. I think if there's something you like, just get it, and if you really really like something that comes out in the future, just buy that too or sell what you already have and buy the new one.

DESIRE HD - Price Go down, available from October 6

here is the mail that i get from clove uk, the price is now 400p (w/o tax)
and the first stock is confirmed to October 6.
Good news! We are pleased to tell you that the new HTC Desire HD is due to be released on 06 October the price has been now been confirmed at £ 399.99 pounds plus VAT.
Please contact us now to confirm your order and ensure that you receive your HTC Desire HD from the first shipment of UK stock
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So that's £469.99 (with tax) like Play and Amazon have had from the start...

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So that's £469.99 (with tax) like Play and Amazon have had from the start...
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yep, amazon is right, but rest of the on line store get some high price.

Haha if it was inc. vat i would have already ordered It's a shame everything has tax They could at least take it off of the phones for us techy's

That is a price drop. I canceled my order two days ago and told them straight it was because Handtec was cheaper. Interesting..

Isnt the deal modaco has better? As its what maybe 15/20£ more exspensive but has a fair bit of extra goodies?

Getting the cheapest deal is not always the right choice.
I'd rather purchase my hardware from someone whom I trust and know should there be a problem they are only a phone call away and there to offer assistance.
Funnily enough it's the same name as the OP mentions... Clove Tech.
I've known Chris Love for nigh on 20yrs now and know although he sells hardware each of his customers are at the front of his continued commitment.
It's a family business with a strong sense of family values for it's customer base.

Anyone know where we can order a black DHD?

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Anyone know where we can order a black DHD?
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You can't order a black DHD because there won't be a black DHD nowadays. Maybe later!

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You can't order a black DHD because there won't be a black DHD nowadays. Maybe later!
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If that's true, then HTC just lost a customer, I don't want a brown DHD, I want a black one. Can anyone confirm this?

cobhc said:
If that's true, then HTC just lost a customer, I don't want a brown DHD, I want a black one. Can anyone confirm this?
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you're seriously going to skip out on this phone because of the colour?

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you're seriously going to skip out on this phone because of the colour?
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Yes, I think colour is all part of the phones aesthetics, and all I can seem to find mentioned colour wise is dark brown, although a lot of the pictures of prerelease devices seem to show them in black.
So unless I can get it confirmed that it will be black, I will have to look at something else (maybe just a HD2 with the Desire HD rom for a good chunk less money).
Might seem a little silly to some people, but I don't think brown looks very good on any electrical device.

Fair enough. The link above lists the DHD as black. It even has some pictures of the back. So maybe HTC is shipping black and brown versions after all.

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Fair enough. The link above lists the DHD as black. It even has some pictures of the back. So maybe HTC is shipping black and brown versions after all.
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Will have to wait and see, my preferred e-tailer (Amazon) couldn't state at this point whether the ones they'd receive would be black or brown, if they are mixed, or brown, I sure hope they change the pictures of the black device on their website.

To me the front is almost black, cause the screen ocuppies almost the total front area.
The back is most dark brown, but for the back I don't care much

As the phone has a 'unibody' design, the brown colour had to be applied. So it should not be beyond the wit of man, with the use of masking tape and a spray gun, to make it whatever colour rocks your boat...

Isn't a DHD a "Dial Home Device" anyway? Can't go stealing established TLAs for new devices....
Anyone got any official confirmation on the new 6th Oct release date?

handtec is receiving stock on the 4th Obctober

Just had an e-mail from Clove about the colour:-
It will be in Graphite which is a nice colour (v similar to Desire)
Back orders are strongly recommended as demand is very strong
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
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Looks like I will be interested in this phone after all then.
As a side question here, does anyone know of any places selling cases for the Desire HD yet, or to be released at the same time as the actual phone?

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handtec is receiving stock on the 4th Obctober
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You certain of this? Why do the big sites like Amazon still list the 11th?

Store reputation???

Does anybody knows about this store???
http://www.n1wireless.com/
I'm in urgent need to buy a phone since I killed my HD2 and the store I bought it from originally (in the US) seems to be out of stock.
So if anybody knows if it's safe to order from this N1wireless can chip in I'll appreciate it since I'm ordering from outside the US I don't want to get burnt, it won't be easy for me to fight any legal battles from abroad.
Thanks,
Fernando

Never heard of it...
But if you are after parts I can only highly recommend on ebay - ukhitech
Good luck

That ship has sailed...
Now I'm looking for a full phone.
Note to self: If in need of changing jobs I should pick locomotive mechanic over cell phone repair man
Thanks anyway!

Well, after sleeping over it and today a bit calmer I decided not to risk it with that store. I found the reviews page and it looks a bit too dodgy to order from /to the outside of the US.
As somebody pointed in that page the negative ones are very detailed and the positives are very vague (like fakes).
Anyway, I'm still looking for a replacement phone and the more I look the more I want another HD2
I 've been looking at the Galaxy 2s and it looks good but then you see comparison review and it's amazing that an almost 3yr old HD2 can still present decent battle to a dual core.
I was hoping my HD2 would last until next year so I can try the Edge but now it died I need a WiFi hot spot phone before February so I think I can kiss the Edge goodbye...
Sorry I went off topic but I'm in desperate search of my next phone and I've been a HTC fanboy for a couple of generations and now there are no HTC in the market that fit my needs. Why they did stop selling the HD2???? (darn!)

well depending on how much you are willing to pay, you could try amazon, hd2 starting from 200$!
just checked swappa.com no hd2s there either..

Thanks Jim but the one I need is the T9193 that has the 850Mhz in the 3G band and as far as I could find in amazon or ebay or prettymuch anywhere the want over $700 for them. The ones at the $200 price range seem to be the Tmo bands that they won't work down here in 3G.
I gave up looking for it. now it's a matter of spending $600 on a new phone (either the HTC vivid or Galaxy skyrocket) and learn to fall in love with it or try to get a cheapo with wifi hotspot and survive until the HTC Edge comes out...