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http://news.o2.co.uk/Press-Releases/O2-introduces-new-mobile-data-pricing-model-2a3.aspx
Time to move away from o2 then in that case! Especially if these changes apply to sim only contracts as well.
You do realise no one else now offers truly unlimited data, and you will only lose it if you change your tariff / upgrade.
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You do realise no one else now offers truly unlimited data, and you will only lose it if you change your tariff / upgrade.
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Right, at least that's how it works here. Tiered data is a growing trend, I'm afraid. Soon everyone but cut rate networks grasping for subscribers will be offering only tiered data plans, and at some point even they'll follow suit.
Glad I'm with T-Mobile, though they'll probably follow suit some time. I think these silly caps will slow innovation because most of the new implementations in smart phones will be web-based and use data. Maybe we should charge O2 for using up our data everytime we see a flash banner ad of theirs.
Talking of flash: my data usage has nearly doubled since I got flash with FroYo. Before when I went to the BBC or Guardian website to catch up on the news I just read the articles. Now I have the short 3-5min news clips to go along with them.....plus all the ads. Anyone else found their usage increase a lot since we got flash?
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Right, at least that's how it works here. Tiered data is a growing trend, I'm afraid. Soon everyone but cut rate networks grasping for subscribers will be offering only tiered data plans, and at some point even they'll follow suit.
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This is about the weirdest situation right now.
Forever, we here in Canada have been killed in data charges while the rest of the world enjoyed affordable unlimited data. Seems the tables are turning.... the rest of the world is stepping backwards and finally Canada has the best data deals.
I'd say in the next 3-4 years unlimited data will be an extinct concept here in the U.S. Its pretty inevitable with the amount of popularity, and affordability of smartphones these days. Eventually (LONG ways away) Smartphones will outnumber Dumbphones and the amount of Pandora, YouTube, flash movie streamers will get to be just too much for the networks to handle.
this sucks... i wouldnt be so bummed if more and more cities had city wide wifi but that is farther off than these tiered data plans i am afraid...
That's rediculous....
I pay £30 for 3GB which I'm allowed to tether with, 600 mins and unlimited text messages....
I'm on o2...
500mb is just terrible, not enough for me.
if I wanted what I get now on the new tariffs I'd be paying £35 + £10 + £10 +£5 = £60... my god! and I bet I'd not be allowed to tether.
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Talking of flash: my data usage has nearly doubled since I got flash with FroYo. Before when I went to the BBC or Guardian website to catch up on the news I just read the articles. Now I have the short 3-5min news clips to go along with them.....plus all the ads. Anyone else found their usage increase a lot since we got flash?
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Then why not set "Enable plug-ins" to "On demand". Flash will then only load when you want it to. No more annoying banner ads and videos on your terms.
It was a loop hole I'm sure hundreds of thousands of people exploited and cost T-Mobile millions but they were nice enough to take 2 and a half years to fix but for some reason people seem to think it was they're god given right to pay less then most and still get the same service. Anywho glad its over and if you were a good customer t-mobile are nice enough to give you a discount on a data plan
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It's not closed. Mine still works. It was a maintenance error.
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ha this has been a thing since back when the MDA came out & it went out then for a few days/weeks & then came back. People are cheap & will do anything to save $$$ each month. I'm happy with my $20/month service
people think they are entitied to stuff and as a result get pissed when forced to follow the rules.
I am not buying that maint issue either. They ran a query to see what is up and closed it, (if it was a maint issue, one would have ever seen the message stating your plan is incompatable with your device and you need to upgrade message) they then "fix" it for the customer who call in and complain and the rest just update their data plan as requested.
Eventually they are going to close that loophole and that's just too bad if you don't like it and as a consumer you can take your business elsewhere if you think you can get a better deal
I never had to call T-Mobile. I hadn't used the internet all day and when I did, I had no issues what so ever. Everything was fixed before I even noticed.
T-Mobile Web (Unlimited T-Zones) $5.99 Restoration
Maybe they will close it but I'm sure they will let me know before they cut it off so I can pick another plan. In the mean time, I'll just go on saving $14.00 every month.
I think you're just angry because you don't have T-Zones.
It's the principle of the thing. People are *****ing because something that have used for years, knowingly against the "rules"(or against what T-Mobile wants if you will) is finally getting closed off. I mean, I used to have SunCom, and got my unlimited data plan from them grandfathered in at 14.99 a month when they got bought by T-Mobile...but it would only allow me to get EDGE speeds. I was told upgront about T-Zones, but that if I switched to a "smart" phone(coming from SunCom with the Excalibur no less) I would have to upgrade to the "full" internet package at 20USD. I mean seriously, T-Zones is meant for feature phones. It's not there so that people "in the know" can proxy around the rules and get cheap internet, its so that people with non-smartphones(the poor souls) can just get online via a regular phone to do simple tasks...nothing super network intensive. The 20USD plan isn't just T-mobile getting more money out of you because they can, its because if you have a smartphone, you are more than likely streaming video or music, downloading programs, getting email...all that jazz, constantly, and it all uses bandwidth...which ain't free. And its MUCH more bandwidth than a dumbphone checking email or IM'ing uses. Anywho, thats my peice. Like it or leave it I don't really care.
I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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I don't know what rules you're talking about. I bought my HD2 outright when it came out so I didn't have to change my plan. The T-Mobile clerk didn't tell me anything about having to change plans. Probably because I wasn't getting a subsidized phone requiring a new plan. If it makes you happy, if I upgrade to an Android phone on T-Mobile I will be required to upgrade to another data plan as soon as the system scans my IMEI number on the network. I'll bet they will have the same requirement for new WP7 phones when they come out. So in all likelihood I will be required to get a new data plan with my very next phone purchase, whether I buy the phone outright or not.
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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might want to go brush up on t-mobile's terms and conditions.....they clearly state that certain internet plans are meant for certain phones....like I said if you don't like it, too bad you can go elsewhere if you think you can get a good deal. No reason to get all pissy about it. and yes you are ripping off t-mobile and you know it's wrong so you know what they say about karma.....
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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The only person getting pissy about it is you. Go back and read what I wrote. If and when T-Mobile requires me to change my plan, they will let me know. If they aren't telling me I need to change, then I don't need to change. It's really not for you to decide what the rules are.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Not for me to decide? Wake up grasshopper I don't make the rules Tmo does lol.........(amd btw I never said it was up to me nor did I imply it was) I just told you to go back and read what TMo's terms of use are and they do not include using a $5 and $10 plan on the HD2
Do you guys think that for even a moment that it was some maint issue? lol....keep dreaming....
Funny how those of us who are on the supported plans for the phone did not get the "Please upgrade your data plan" message even though we were on the network at the same time as all of you guys who got the message...
I think it's funny when you get all of the whiners in here saying OMG I can't getz Internetz on my HD2 using an unsupported planz anymorez....even though they knew they were in the wrong....
If you are grandfathered in on a specific unlimited plan, that's fine but you have no room to complain when you go buy a $10 plan and try to use it with a smart phone and you get smaked down like a redheaded step child.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
Folks, I switched to the $20 plan yesterday after 4 days of almost solid outages. It would work occasionally, but mostly not.
One call to T-Mo the gal said there was a issue and they were working it, but when I called back later they said that there was a software change this weekend in order to cut off the access that we were using. I explained that I had the service for quite a while, back to when I bought my Dash, and she looked at my records and saw that I bought the HD2 as an upgrade and said my account had not been updated when I bought the phone and it was not eligable for T-Zones service, and wanted me to get the $30 service. I talked her into the $20 plan, and it seems to be working fine, although T-Zones doesn't show up on my plan online anymore neither does the $20 plan.
I suspect the rumor about the new CEO coming in and tidying up things is correct, and anyway, now mail works properly (SMTP outbound) and some other apps I have wanted to use as well.
Marc
tmo readz xda...
i have the $30 plan since April on my Leo, not gonna change cuz $10 isn't a big deal...
btw, no message sent to my toy.
Well ... yesterday I almost pulled a trigger and moved to $20 total internet package. And I'm glad I didnt, because TZones works again on my HD2. I know it is a loophole. And I WAS and WILL get pissed when they will close it.
Why ? In addition to be used to have it there are other things too
E.g. I'm on grandfathered plan with 600 shared minutes. I cannot move to 750 EM+ plan W/O a contract for the same price, because I will lose my TZones. I cannot add "kids free" lines to my account, because it is only for EM/EM+ plans. So I lose free extra line and 150 extra minutes a month just because I want to keep $5.99 TZones. Or I purchased my HD2 for full price (instead of 2 for $200 promo or 1 for $160 promo), because I'm not able to buy it subsidized from TMO w/o buying total internet and losing my $5.99 TZones.
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Ah, I see now. You're just trolling.
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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Ah, I see you're just ignorant of the facts as they are lol
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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No, that would be you. lol yourself.
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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lol gee I wish I was like 2 again so I could think of something cool like that to say lol.......
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Tell you what, you find where it says anywhere from T-Mobile that I need to have a different plan then T-zones for my HD2 and post a link to it and I'll admit you're right. You just saying it doesn't mean anything.
wasn't that hard to find
10. * Data Plans and Other Features. You will be charged for data usage on a pay per use basis unless you are required to maintain a data plan (“Data Plan”) as part of your Service, or as otherwise provided by your Rate Plan or prepaid data pass. Permissible and Prohibited Uses: Your Data Plan is intended for Web browsing, messaging, and similar activities on your Device and not on any other equipment. Unless explicitly permitted by your Data Plan, other uses, including for example, using your Device as a modem or tethering your Device to a personal computer or other hardware, are not permitted. Other examples of prohibited uses can be found in Section 17. Protective Measures: To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth. If your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change without notice; please check T-Mobile’s T&Cs on www.T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. If you use your Data Plan in a manner that could interfere with other customers’ service, affect our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or degrade service quality for other customers, we may suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, or switch you to a more appropriate Data Plan. Downloadable Content and Applications: Content or Applications (e.g., downloadable or networked applications, wallpapers, ringtones, games, and productivity tools) (“Content & Apps”) that you can purchase with your Device may not be sold by T-Mobile. For some third party purchases, although the charges may appear on your T-Mobile bill, T-Mobile is not responsible for the Content & Apps, including download, installation, use, transmission failure, interruption, or delay, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Any support questions for these Content & Apps may be directed to the third party seller. You may be able to restrict access and certain services by implementing controls available at www.T-Mobile.com or by calling T-Mobile. When you use, download or install Content & Apps sold by a third party seller, you may be subject to license terms between you and third parties. When you use, download, or install Content & Apps that you purchase from T-Mobile, the Content & Apps are licensed to you by T-Mobile and may be subject to additional license terms between you and third parties. Whether purchased from T-Mobile or a third party, any Content & Apps you purchase are licensed for personal, lawful, non-commercial use on your Device only. You may not transfer, copy, or reverse engineer any Content & Apps, or alter, disable or circumvent any digital rights management security features embedded in the Content & Apps. Content & Apps may not be transferable from one Device to another Device. Some Devices or Content & Apps may continue to have contact with our network without your knowledge which may result in additional Charges, for example, while roaming internationally. Software on your Device may automatically shut down or limit the use of Content & Apps or other features or Services without warning. T-Mobile is not responsible for any third party content, advertisements, or websites you may be able to access using your Device. Use of Information: T-Mobile may retain, use, and share information collected when you download, use, or install some Content & Apps, may update your Content & Apps remotely, or may disable or remove any Content & Apps at any time. Refer to T-Mobile’s Privacy Policy, as well as the Content & Apps creator/owner’s privacy policy for information regarding their use of information collected when you download, install, or use any third party Content & Apps. We are not responsible for any transmission failure, interruption, or delay related to Content & Apps, or any content or website you may be able to access through the Content & Apps. Wi-Fi Calling: You acknowledge and agree that your use of any Wi-Fi network is permissible and that you (and not T-Mobile) are responsible for your use. Cell Broadcasts (alerts that go to certain customers) and Wireless Priority Service (WPS) may not be available with Wi-Fi Calling.
The bolded section covers the part about being switched to an approperiate plan
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How does that apply to T-Zones on the HD2?
A different thread (Here) degraded into an angry, but compelling discussion of tethering ethics.
Since the other thread was so lively, but off of original topic, I figured this would be a better, less phone specific, location.
This guy burned through 105G of data in a billing cycle.
Wow.
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This guy burned through 105G of data in a billing cycle.
Wow.
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I don't care if people tether provided they keep it at a reasonable rate. I think the T-Mo 5 GB limit is plenty for tethering and I don't care if they throttle past that point. 105GB is completely and utterly retarded and I wouldn't hesitate to say that he was probably downloading illegal files while tethering.
You're using AT&T and you're concerned about ethics LOL. They're screwing you every chance they get. If you get the chance to return the favor, be my guest.
The only crisis of conscience I might have is degrading the user experience of someone else on that same antenna.
The 'I don't give an F' users eventually bring the issue to a head; they push the limits and draw the attention of the carriers.
On the positive end, this (kind of) spurs bandwidth and rollout plans.
On a negative end, this hurries security and monitoring development that closes off these avenues.
There's no reasoning with 'power' users though; they'll take anything that's not nailed down. We all just have to live with it.
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You're using AT&T and you're concerned about ethics LOL. They're screwing you every chance they get. If you get the chance to return the favor, be my guest.
The only crisis of conscience I might have is degrading the user experience of someone else on that same antenna.
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I've never had any issue with AT&T, but I have had issues with T-Mobile. It's funny that a provider can be so cheap (T-Mobile), yet can't seem to get any subscribers... wonder why? :C
Could it be their poor service/coverage? Probably.
I used to tether a while back, but I got a letter from AT&T telling me if I continued I'd lose my unlimited data and be automatically enrolled in their 4GB for $45 tethering plan. I since stopped, and bought myself a 5GB "4G" data connect card @ $50 per month ($10 for every GB over). Seemed like a reasonable deal.
If you're gonna tether, good luck, you will get caught eventually. c:
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I've never had any issue with AT&T, but I have had issues with T-Mobile. It's funny that a provider can be so cheap (T-Mobile), yet can't seem to get any subscribers... wonder why? :C
Could it be their poor service/coverage? Probably.
I used to tether a while back, but I got a letter from AT&T telling me if I continued I'd lose my unlimited data and be automatically enrolled in their 4GB for $45 tethering plan. I since stopped, and bought myself a 5GB "4G" data connect card @ $50 per month ($10 for every GB over). Seemed like a reasonable deal.
If you're gonna tether, good luck, you will get caught eventually. c:
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So instead of using something you were already paying for, you now are paying for another monthly charge to continue doing what you were already doing before? Yep, definitely. Sounds like you've never had an issue with AT&T. At least not one that you want to admit.
But in all honesty, it cripples the system when people are overusing. Then again, we should be getting what we pay for. And considering the unreasonable rates carriers provide compared to elsewhere in the world... f*** them.
I honestly don't tether that much these days. I only use it when the internet is down and at best, I use about 200MB worth of data from tethering. Haven't been caught and I am pretty sure T-Mobile doesn't care enough to send me a warning about tethering on a non-tethering contract.
With that being said, I did hit my 5GB limit. Twice. Without the use of tethering. Throttled speed is honestly not that bad, I can still do some stuff.
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So instead of using something you were already paying for, you now are paying for another monthly charge to continue doing what you were already doing before? Yep, definitely. Sounds like you've never had an issue with AT&T. At least not one that you want to admit.
But in all honesty, it cripples the system when people are overusing. Then again, we should be getting what we pay for. And considering the unreasonable rates carriers provide compared to elsewhere in the world... f*** them.
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When you say unreasonable rates VZW certainly comes to mind
I don't tether but really don't see the problem with it. As someone else stated when it comes to 'power users' they are out there and we all have to deal with it no matter what the service you use, ie DSL/CABLE/SAT etc.
What about the 'ethics' of locking bootloaders and loading my phone full of bloatware? ROFL...
I don't think its unethical to use your data the way you want to use it. You are paying for the data. I think caps, for the price of unlimited home broadband (and not achieving close to the same speeds as those of home broadband) is unethical.
If my contract says unlimited data, I see nothing unethical about it. It is my data to use when and how I want to. The only thing unethical is the fact that I pay $160 a month for 2 lines.
Whats the difference between using 2GB of data on your phone compared to using 2GB of data when you've got a laptop tethered to it? You should just be able to pay for data and thats that. No paying extra if you want to tether.
It is abusing it if you have unlimited data and rinse it all since it's never really unlimited. Maybe they should say how much data you're ACTUALLY allowed to use.
people should stop using 3G/4G as a replacement for home internet, sigh...
I am about to go a little off topic.
I think it is the fault of the carriers themselves. Earlier it was allowed for me tether as much as I wanted. I had an unlimited data plan (A real one).
Now I am limited to 2 gb (or not yet, only when I renew my contract) This is not caused by power users but because of wrongly anticipated investments. They need to get back their investment of economically aged techniques.
Also I am forced to buy more calling minutes and text when I want more data.
I think, especially compared to earlier, that giving us this little data for a ridiculously high price is unethical. 10 gb should be more fair. I mean they tell us to watch youtube on my phone at home. Why would I do that when I have a laptop or maybe later even a tablet?
Its not really unethical to download 105 gb unless you are downloading illegal stuff and causing others unable to use mobile data.
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A different thread (Here) degraded into an angry, but compelling discussion of tethering ethics.
Since the other thread was so lively, but off of original topic, I figured this would be a better, less phone specific, location.
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I am about to go a little off topic.
I think it is the fault of the carriers themselves. Earlier it was allowed for me tether as much as I wanted. I had an unlimited data plan (A real one).
Now I am limited to 2 gb (or not yet, only when I renew my contract) This is not caused by power users but because of wrongly anticipated investments. They need to get back their investment of economically aged techniques.
Also I am forced to buy more calling minutes and text when I want more data.
I think, especially compared to earlier, that giving us this little data for a ridiculously high price is unethical. 10 gb should be more fair. I mean they tell us to watch youtube on my phone at home. Why would I do that when I have a laptop or maybe later even a tablet?
Its not really unethical to download 105 gb unless you are downloading illegal stuff and causing others unable to use mobile data.
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Well, people would tether because why bother having two Internet es, one at your home and one in your pocket? Sounds easier to have it all on your phone as you can tether to your other devices. Also, some people don't have tablets or aptops, etc. To even use, so they use whatever they can but I mean this is unlikely since they can afford such an Internet service on their device.
Also, it's the isp fault of their network can't support thousands or millions of users using their network, they should get better networks, etc since you're paying for the service. For the ones who download like several gigabytes of stuff, why not? It's the Internet and they paid for it. Watching a million videos, movies, watching live tv, etc. Why don't they leech off starbucks? Because they are paying for an "unlimited" service.
For the throttling, I find it stupid, or good. Stupid because unlimited users shouldn't be doing because they use a lot, it's a service they paid for. Well, how much they throttle anyways? But it's good because at the end of the month, that's when team network is the fastest, if the heavy users get throttled.
Either way, I think throttling is stupid and bad for user who paid for unlimited Internet,.
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people should stop using 3G/4G as a replacement for home internet, sigh...
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Why not? Although home Internet is faster, why pay for home when you have unlimited 3g/4g?
Im on sprint, so we have unlimited data in our contracts. I think its my right to use it in any way i like just like i do at home with fios. i can plug in any device i want into my router. I could give my dog her own videophone and verizon wont care. Cell carriers should be the same, they should treat it as a just a connection, thats it. we would all be happier.
I was on AT&T. Got the tethering notice and decided no more with them. I switched to Verizon.
When I tether, I really don't use that much data than I would on my phone. I average around 6.5GB a month on my phone usual data. From there, I would venture to say 2GB of data is tethering and when it's done, it's usually not even their peak network times. I don't think it's unethical because data is data. A byte is a byte whether it originated on the phone or the other device. The company has the capability, they just want more money for it.
Really, it boils down to moderation. If everyone tethered, but did it moderately, we could all enjoy it. But for the 105GB guy, he ruins it for all of us.
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Im on sprint, so we have unlimited data in our contracts. I think its my right to use it in any way i like just like i do at home with fios. i can plug in any device i want into my router. I could give my dog her own videophone and verizon wont care. Cell carriers should be the same, they should treat it as a just a connection, thats it. we would all be happier.
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I agree.
As our devices become capable of higher volumes of data in a billing period, AT&T markets faster speeds (translation: greater volume in less time), more apps (translation: more downloads, more apps pulling data), we are expected not to use greater volumes of data if we have an unlimited contract.
As for people who say that power users cause network bottlenecks, I would like to see data to prove this allegation. I haven't seen any information to support this allegation. I believe that AT&T's network problems, including cell towers that lose internet, are a much bigger problem.
Power users don't cause the bottleneck. There's so few who actually use over a fairly small amount of data that it's ridiculous for the carriers to say that power users are the cause of network congestion and general slowness, which prompt data caps and other unpleasantness.
The actual issue is similar to Comcast's handling of torrenters. The whole Sandvine debacle wasn't caused because so many people were torrenting that the network couldn't handle it. The cause was simple greed and laziness--the provider sold more bandwidth than they actually possessed. The same is true for the mobile networks, as well. These guys know that "unlimited" is the magic word to sell data plans, but they don't want to spend the money necessary to expand network infrastructure to actually handle unlimited data access from thousands upon thousands of subscribers. So they blame it on the handful of folks who actually make use of the whole unlimited part, and throttle or cap bandwidth.
If they had been honest to begin with, we probably wouldn't be so torqued about it all.
I'm on T-Mobile and I tether fairly often, but not to excess, mostly because I have a 2GB cap and I'm almost always in a place where I can get wifi. The tethering is there for those 1% of times when there's no 802.11 nearby and I need to get my laptop online for whatever reason.
I pay for my bandwidth, I ought to be able to use it however I please. T-Mobile doesn't seem to mind whether my bits are pulled down through my Nexus S or my laptop.
Now if I could only figure out how to stop their proxies from compressing JPEGs...
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Business owners only!
Call T-mobile and ask to be forwarded to their business department, tell them you're calling about the unadvertised 50$ a line unlimited business plan.
Verizon has the same plan as well, they're just not allowed to talk about you ask them about it; every company probably has this.
Has anyone else done this?
I will be very interested to see if this works for individuals as well.
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I will be very interested to see if this works for individuals as well.
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I'm an advocate of social engineering, call T-mobile and do the following:
1 ) Get kicked to a live representative
2) Tell them you were supposed to be forwarded to the business department
3) Once forwarded to the business department, tell them you were previously talking about switching all of your business lines to the unadvertised 50$ a month plan
4)Ask for plan requirements
5) Hang up until you can hash out wither you can provide what they'll want
Edit: I'm only posting about this because I think all phone carriers are scummy for having plans that they are not allowed to advertise but will give you it if you "know to ask" which is the epitome of 1%'ers giving themselves hooked up deals the general public (including small business owners/charities) do not know about.
I mean really, people who have a Paypal donation thing going can probably qualify to be on this plan as long as they are being taxed on their income.
I'm just wondering. Would this $50 business plan offer any benefits compared to their unlimited plan already, besides pricing?
Just wondering. Thanks in advance.
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jzun223 said:
I'm just wondering. Would this $50 business plan offer any benefits compared to their unlimited plan already, besides pricing?
Just wondering. Thanks in advance.
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Yes, the advertised unlimited plans are unlimited in the most basic way; after you've used a certain amount of data you are locked to 2G until the remainder of your service month even with advertised business plans and your speed will take a huge hit.
The difference with the unadvertised plan is that you can use 4G in a truly unlimited way; there will be no throttling or speed reductions whatsoever no matter how much data you smash down.
I mean I can confirm this exact same plan exists at T-mobile, verizon.. It might even be the kind of situation where all carriers have this plan in common since at the end of the day everything is owned by mostly the same people.
The thing is there is greed no matter where you look; from a human perspective if you are the provider of something you're going to want to give you and yours the best of what you have and try to avoid giving that quality to other people to keep it 'special'
It's not legally possible to have "VIP" plans, but it is legal to have an unadvertised plan people will not know to ask about unless someone tells them; the 'normal person' is further kept away from it because it's a "business plan" and you have to prove with tax forms and other things that you are a business owner.
I just wanted to talk about this as a middle-finger to providers which throttle which is everyone and also for people who are "technically" business owners in some way; or for people who are and weren't fortunate enough to be made aware that better things exist for them
So is there any way to get this plan without being an official business owner? I'm switching from Sprint SERO with 500 anytime minutes and unlimited text and data to T-Mobile, but I don't want to spend $80 for unlimited data if I don't have to.
JimSmith94 said:
So is there any way to get this plan without being an official business owner? I'm switching from Sprint SERO with 500 anytime minutes and unlimited text and data to T-Mobile, but I don't want to spend $80 for unlimited data if I don't have to.
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You could pick up development and become self-employed
Tqr said:
You could pick up development and become self-employed
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Ha, I used to be self-employed and am a retired computer engineer/programmer, but it's not worth the hassle just to get free data.
JimSmith94 said:
Ha, I used to be self-employed and am a retired computer engineer/programmer, but it's not worth the hassle just to get free data.
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Depends what you'd be using it for
no unlimited plan
I called both carriers you mentioned they dont have such plan. Could you tell me how to get the plan on verizon please. The method you mentioned doesnt work.
There is so much about the Turbo that is totally better than my last phone the Galaxy Nexus, root, latest Liquid Smooth Rom. But, and it is a big but: WiFi Hotspot is something that I use often, not every day; and I no longer have it. I've had the Turbo 4 days and really like it but the more I read the more convinced I become that a Wifi hotspot app. is not likely to come out any time soon... it really sucks.
Is tethered hotspot a non option?
Is not an option right now, FoxFi has an app. that supports non-root Hotspot on many phones, just not the Turbo. I don't need root just wifi hotspot... the more I read the more I'm convinced is not around the corner... or any time soon if ever. Hope I'm wrong, really like the Turbo.
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Is not an option right now, FoxFi has an app. that supports non-root Hotspot on many phones, just not the Turbo. I don't need root just wifi hotspot... the more I read the more I'm convinced is not around the corner... or any time soon if ever. Hope I'm wrong, really like the Turbo.
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Your not wrong. Back in September, I contacted the company that makes FoxFi and asked them if they were going to update pdaNet to work with Motorola phones running Kit Kat on Verizon's network. This was before the Turbo but it relates to all Motorola phones:
Here was their reply:
At this point we do not know if a solution exists around the WiFi blockage but we will keep looking. A solution has only been found for Samsung, LG or HTC phones, just not Motorola.
You can only use bluetooth mode or USB mode.
Thanks,
June Fabrics PDA Software Support
http://www.junefabrics.com
Now you know why is bumming me out, all my previous smartphones I made informed decisions, with the Turbo it was an impulse buy. The phone exceeded my expectations but I failed to do the research into a feature that is very important to me, my wife's Note 3 has hotspot , is not a total disaster but it burns me up.
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There is so much about the Turbo that is totally better than my last phone the Galaxy Nexus, root, latest Liquid Smooth Rom. But, and it is a big but: WiFi Hotspot is something that I use often, not every day; and I no longer have it. I've had the Turbo 4 days and really like it but the more I read the more convinced I become that a Wifi hotspot app. is not likely to come out any time soon... it really sucks.
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Not gonna say that I have never used workarounds to get tethering on an unsupported data plan, but truth be told you are "stealing" from Verizon by doing so, so I can't really mark the phone down for it. That being said my fingers are crossed that root will be coming soon so that you, and even people like me with a plan that allows tethering can ditch the Verizon app for something better.
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Not gonna say that I have never used workarounds to get tethering on an unsupported data plan, but truth be told you are "stealing" from Verizon by doing so, so I can't really mark the phone down for it. That being said my fingers are crossed that root will be coming soon so that you, and even people like me with a plan that allows tethering can ditch the Verizon app for something better.
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You are not the only that shares the opinion that it is "stealing", I gave up unlimited data for the Turbo, so I pay for a fixed amount of data up front whether I use it or not; since the fixed amount of data is "paid" for how I use it is my business , if I exceed the prepaid amount: again I will pay more for it, the hotspot feature is part of the phone is not "created" by Verizon. All Verizon does is block a feature that comes with my phone to restrict whether I use the data that I pay for up front: on my tablet for example.... I do believe there is "stealing" going on, not by me of that I am sure.
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You are not the only that shares the opinion that it is "stealing", I gave up unlimited data for the Turbo, so I pay for a fixed amount of data up front whether I use it or not; since the fixed amount of data is "paid" for how I use it is my business , if I exceed the prepaid amount: again I will pay more for it, the hotspot feature is part of the phone is not "created" by Verizon. All Verizon does is block a feature that comes with my phone to restrict whether I use the data that I pay for up front: on my tablet for example.... I do believe there is "stealing" going on, not by me of that I am sure.
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Exactly. The fact that Verizon charges extra for activating the hotspot feature on tiered data plans is plain wrong, and will be made illegal when the new net neutrality laws fall in place.
I don't know why some think it is stealing when a user has an unlimited plan and they want to use tethering. I pay for an unlimited plan just like others play for a plan that is limited. It isn't stealing.
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I don't know why some think it is stealing when a user has an unlimited plan and they want to use tethering. I pay for an unlimited plan just like others play for a plan that is limited. It isn't stealing.
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Except that contract you signed says it isn't allowed without a fee and ours doesn't
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Coronado is dead said:
Except that contract you signed says it isn't allowed without a fee and ours doesn't
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Considering there was no option for using a smartphone as a hot spot when I signed my contract, no it doesn't.
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Considering there was no option for using a smartphone as a hot spot when I signed my contract, no it doesn't.
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Then talk to Verizon, point it out in your contract, and have them enable it. They have contractual obligations as well.
Although if your contract is really that old I bet it had the 5gb limit before possible disconnect that my original plan did from when they atryed offering data at all. They never enforced it, but it's there. So I don't know how much benefit you'd get over a tiered plan if they decided to enforce for you tethering with something they can track.
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Then talk to Verizon, point it out in your contract, and have them enable it. They have contractual obligations as well.
Although if your contract is really that old I bet it had the 5gb limit before possible disconnect that my original plan did from when they atryed offering data at all. They never enforced it, but it's there. So I don't know how much benefit you'd get over a tiered plan if they decided to enforce for you tethering with something they can track.
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You can't have a 5GB limit on an unlimted plan. Unlimited means unlimited, even the government agrees on this: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/11/01/federal-government-to-att-wireless-unlimited-data.aspx
Well I am glad to see they finally cracked down on that, because for years unlimited did not really mean unlimited at all, lol.
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Verizon start messing with the unlimited plan back in July of 2011. That is when they first started trying to charge extra for using the hot spot option. Back then it was an additional $30 a month for unlimited use of the hot spot. So you would have had to pay $30 a month for unlimited data and then another $30 a month for unlimited data using hot spot.
Have you seen their latest price structure:
1 GB $40 (Considered Light Usage)
2 GB $50 (Considered Heavy Usage) * Seriously? The Turbo can use that much doing nothing.
3 GB $60
4 GB $70
10 GB $80
15 GB $100 (Was 12 GB)
20 GB $150
30 GB $225
40 GB $300
50 GB $375
60 GB $450
80 GB $600
100 GB $750
No wonder they keep trying to get rid of us unlimited plan users. My unlimited plan is less than the 1 GB plan.
I currently have the 15gb plan, 3 lines,a 4g hotspot device, unlimited talk and text, edge plan on the turbo, ensurion, caller ID, and premium visual voicemail all for $208 a month after taxes. 15gigs seems to be enough for me but if I could I would use much more.
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All of the new tiered data plans (the more everything plans) include tethering for no additional charge. You are on a "legacy" plan that technically no longer exists because it is from a time when not everybody and their dog had a smartphone. You have an option to change that. If there was no tethering when you got your plan then quit living in the stone age. It is perfectly legal for them to change the terms when asking you to sign a new contract. If you want to pay 200 bucks for an 800 dollar phone, you have to sign a contract it's as simple as that.
Yeah it sucks that we all lost unlimited data, but thats they way it is. Your laptop has the capability of pulling WAY more data than any smartphone in the world. There is a reason they don't want you tethering on an unlimited plan. People using it for torrenting, and netflixing on their 60 inch TV have potential to ruin the network quality for everybody else.
Like I said, I have tethered in the past too with third party apps, but you signed a contract that VERY specifically states you aren't allowed to do that, and we are using loopholes to get around it. If they catch you in the act they can do anything from blocking your workaround, to completely dropping you and not allowing you to use their network anymore. I've never heard of it happening, just saying it can. I sell VZW, AT&T, and Sprint service on a daily basis I have read every one of those contracts word for word, and third party tethering apps are very specifically prohibited which makes any other argument a moot point. You signed a paper that said you wouldn't tether without paying for that right.
It's also a straight up fact that 98% of people who got booted from unlimited plans were using less than 2GB per month anyway. It's only people like us here on XDA that are heavy users like that, and our abuse of the system is the entire reason they took away unlimited in the first place. If people hadn't been watching 100GB of netflix and pornhub every month on their smartphones then maybe it would never have become an issue. It isn't designed to replace your home internet service so stop acting like it should perform that way.
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If you want to pay 200 bucks for an 800 dollar phone, you have to sign a contract it's as simple as that.
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Didn't pay $200 for my Turbo, paid full price so I didn't have to sign a new contract and be charged double for a 2GB plan ($50 a month) then I pay for my unlimited data. ($24 a month)
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but you signed a contract that VERY specifically states you aren't allowed to do that, and we are using loopholes to get around it.
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Not true, they didn't come up with charging for the Hot Spot feature until July of 2011. I signed my contract way before then for unlimited data. I've paid full price for my past two phones to keep it. So there is nothing in my contract that says it isn't allowed.
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netflixing
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Seriously? Data is data regardless of if you are watching Netflix, YouTube, or just doing emails. The government is already going after AT&T and Verizon because "Unlimited" should mean "Unlimited". There shouldn't be any throttles on the data, blocks on the data, etc.
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It isn't designed to replace your home internet service so stop acting like it should perform that way.
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Don't expect it to be. I have a very good IP at my home. For me it is when I am on the road with the grandkids that I need to have my phone turned on as a hot spot so that they can use their tablets. Ever try to go on a road trip with 8 grand kids ranging in age from 6 to 12?
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Didn't pay $200 for my Turbo, paid full price so I didn't have to sign a new contract and be charged double for a 2GB plan ($50 a month) then I pay for my unlimited data. ($24 a month)
Not true, they didn't come up with charging for the Hot Spot feature until July of 2011. I signed my contract way before then for unlimited data. I've paid full price for my past two phones to keep it. So there is nothing in my contract that says it isn't allowed.
Seriously? Data is data regardless of if you are watching Netflix, YouTube, or just doing emails. The government is already going after AT&T and Verizon because "Unlimited" should mean "Unlimited". There shouldn't be any throttles on the data, blocks on the data, etc.
Don't expect it to be. I have a very good IP at my home. For me it is when I am on the road with the grandkids that I need to have my phone turned on as a hot spot so that they can use their tablets. Ever try to go on a road trip with 8 grand kids ranging in age from 6 to 12?
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This is copy and pasted verbatim from a Verizon contract from 2009
PDA/smartphone and BlackBerry® Plans: These VZEmail plans cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets, or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync or the BlackBerry solution, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect.
I was formerly a Verizon employee and now I sell phones for all 3 carriers I know wtf I'm talking about. Your plan falls under PDA/Smartphone plans, and it explicitly describes the need to have BroadbandAccess Connect to use anything that is not a NATIVE phone application. A third party tethering app is not considered native as it doesn't come pre-installed on the device.
It goes on further to say this:
Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
You aren't even legally allowed to use it for video streaming, gaming, torrenting, or any other high bandwidth application on those old plans.
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This is copy and pasted verbatim from a Verizon contract from 2009
PDA/smartphone and BlackBerry® Plans: These VZEmail plans cannot be used: (1) for access to the Internet, intranets, or other data networks except as the device’s native applications and capabilities permit, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect; or (2) for any applications that tether your device to laptops or personal computers other than for use of the Wireless Sync or the BlackBerry solution, unless you subscribe to BroadbandAccess Connect.
I was formerly a Verizon employee and now I sell phones for all 3 carriers I know wtf I'm talking about. Your plan falls under PDA/Smartphone plans, and it explicitly describes the need to have BroadbandAccess Connect to use anything that is not a NATIVE phone application. A third party tethering app is not considered native as it doesn't come pre-installed on the device.
It goes on further to say this:
Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, GlobalAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).
You aren't even legally allowed to use it for video streaming, gaming, torrenting, or any other high bandwidth application on those old plans.
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Wifi Hotspot is a native application that Verizon BLOCKS, it is not a third party app.
This is how a Verizon contract should read: Whatever we say is legal because we say so, whatever you think: is wrong, illegal and you the customers are thieves, the only one allowed to steal is Verizon period.
There you go is that better now?