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Looks like HTC has done it again and delivered a phone that should run crazy fast on paper BUT the actual performance is sub-par compared to other phones:
HTC Nexus One (FAILphone):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvzxZ8tOBcQ
HTC Magic and HTC Liquid Benchmark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O36LA6EhZg4
I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
Do you work for Apple?
How does it do on PiBenchmark? That would provide more relevant results with its Snapdragon processor.
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I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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doesn't the liquid come with an underclocked snapdragon?
I have a Magic that is rooted and tweaked to all hell and have played with the nexus. There is no doubt that the Google phone out performs any other phone that HTC has released. Ive seen it first hand. Its very fast and can handle so many things going on at the same time it makes my tummy tickle.
You are an idiot. Get your panties out of a bunch because you are pissed at the price and that it has no AT&T 3G. Should we all be pissed that the Droid only works on Verizon? Should we all be pissed that the iPhone only has AT&T 3G? The Nexus One is designed to be on T-Mobile. Sure, it will technically work on any GSM provider, but that isn't what it was intended to do. Google must have some deal with T-Mobile since they offers the most android phones.
And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU
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And about the performance, that only shows video performance, and we dont know for sure what the N1 and A1 have in terms of a GPU
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I thought neocore tested the graphics chip with 3d benchamarking?
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I don't think that Neocore benchmarks the entire system, maybe more on the graphics chip. I don't know any specifics on the N1's graphics capabilities, but the 1 ghz snapdragon cpu is a definite boost from its predecessors.
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It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?
What are you, 15 years old? Get off of mommy's computer and stop *****ing because you can't use the N1 on your network and get 3G.
Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.
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Im guessing the benchmark isnt accurate. It goes beyond common senese that the fps are the same as the magic.
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Actually ... it goes nicely with HTC's track record of under-performing hardware.
We have too many variables that makes comparing these results difficult. The HTC Magic and Liquid are running 1.6, while the Nexus is running 2.1. There are dramatically different levels of overhead on different Android system versions. There could be way more overhead on Android 2.1 than on 1.6. Additionally, you forgot to mention that the Nexus One is running at a resolution 2.5 times that of the HTC Magic.
Just because you're not going to buy the Nexus (because you recently purchased another handset and are trying to justify your purchase, or because it doesn't support your carrier's 3G frequencies, or otherwise) doesn't mean you are obliged to spam these forums with "OMG THIS PHONE IS FAIL"
the resolution used on the n1 is far higher than on the older devices remember
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It's called system on a chip.
and the telling comparison is the Acer Liquid with its ~750MHz Snapdragon CPU (underclocked) vs. the Nexus One with its 1GHz Snapdragon CPU.
Looks like HTC screwed up again.
Ohhh. The other posters are pissed because their Messiah phone is a big FAIL?
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The only FAIL here are your posts. You sound like a Droid owner, pissed that your phone is about to lose top dog status. Just crawl back into your parents basement, fire up your xbox, and shoot some 12 year olds. It will help you get over the fact that you are a huge FAIL.
lol @semantics now thats funny man
I have had this phone for three weeks now and one thing its not is SLOW. Its way faster than my 3GS and my Mytouch.
I got 27.4 FPS on my G1.
I'm pretty sure the N1 isn't slower then the G1. That would be stupid.
I don't give a damn, I'm buying this joint day 1!! LOL
my theory:
1. Neocore is designed to work with android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1
2. The Liquid A1 has the same processor (albeit underclocked) and the same screen resolution as the N1 so you would expect them to perform similarliy. They dont perfrom the same so you must look at the differences between the phones. The biggest to me is the fact that the Liquid A1 has Android 1.6 and Open GL ES 1.1, the sweet spot for Neocore.
3. The N1 had Android 2.1 and Open GL ES 2.0, specs that are not supported by Neocore. How can Neocore accurately test the N1 when it does not support its specifications? The slowness is not due to poor hardware, rather it is due to old software trying to run on the latest hardware.
I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS
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I cannot understand why everyone is saying that hummingbird processor is better than snapdragon and that's why I started this thread.
I own an HD2 (snapdragon) and SGS (hummingbird).
I've run linpack and quadrant in both phones and here are the results showing that snapdragon is 4 to 5 times faster.
Hummingbird: linpack 13,864 quadrant CPU 1456
Snapdragon: linpack 63,122 quadrant CPU 4122
I'm only talking for the CPU cause if you go to 3D I'll agree that hummingbird is better (but I don't care about 3D cause I don't use my device for games)
Both phones have android 2,2 installed and I have voodoo lagfix installed in SGS
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After looking into it for a while, I was focusing on what makes the Nexus One so much better than the other phones. On the chip level, I didn’t see it. Then it dawned on me to look at what Google had to say on the matter. Well, it was there in black and white. In their 20 May 2010 Developer’s Blog entry (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/05/android-22-and-developers-goodies.html) they say that people could see a 2-5x speed increase. I think it is pointed out in an entry later in the blog dealing with NDK, which I initially missed: “ARM Advanced SIMD (a.k.a. NEON) instruction support The NEON instruction set extension can be used to perform scalar computations on integers and floating points. However, it is an optional CPU feature and will not be supported by all Android ARMv7-A based devices. The NDK includes a tiny library named “cpufeatures” that can be used by native code to test at runtime the features supported by the device’s target CPU.”
So, I guess this means that NEON is the difference. If your phone’s CPU has it and it’s enabled for JIT, you can expect higher Linpack numbers.
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http://www.greenecomputing.com/2010...ack-scores-so-mucher-higher-than-on-my-phone/
Now stop making topics like this.
the difference you notice is software related
If you want a real test, run a hd video on both phones, or a psx emulator and see if the nexus one is 5x faster... it is the same if not slower then the sgs
Well, SGS got hardware h264 decoding acceleration. Also, maybe you forget, but:
he Hummingbird comes with 32KB each of data and instruction caches, an L2 cache, the size of which can be customized, and an ARM® NEON™ multi-media extension.
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SAMSUNG and Intrinsity Jointly Develop the World's Fastest ARM® Cortex™-A8 Processor Based Mobile Core in 45 Nanometer Low Power Process
Advanced SIMD (NEON)
The Advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON technology, is a combined 64- and 128-bit single instruction multiple data (SIMD) instruction set that provides standardized acceleration for media and signal processing applications. NEON can execute MP3 audio decoding on CPUs running at 10 MHz and can run the GSM AMR (Adaptive Multi-Rate) speech codec at no more than 13 MHz. It features a comprehensive instruction set, separate register files and independent execution hardware. NEON supports 8-, 16-, 32- and 64-bit integer and single-precision (32-bit) floating-point data and operates in SIMD operations for handling audio and video processing as well as graphics and gaming processing. In NEON, the SIMD supports up to 16 operations at the same time. The NEON hardware shares the same floating-point registers as used in VFP.
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source: wiki
This means Hummingbirds are equipped with NEON. Why its not so effective/used in Quadrant/Linpack? My guess they (these benchmarks) are not compiled/optimised for Hummingbirds, just for Snapdragons.
I came from owning an iPhone and playing lots of games on it. I bought the SGS purely for the gaming performance of the Hummingbird processor.
Having seen the difference in game quality between the HTC Desire and the SGS, I know I made the right decision. Benchmarks don't mean anything.
As long as the device can run apps, games, multimedia smoothly, I dont care much about those benchmarkers, maybe they were designed and/or optimized for snapdragon prior to hummingbird.
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i bet you anything he actually doesn't have a sgs...lol
jealousy maybe just a troll, ignore
In terms of overall smoothness (everything, not just games) the SGS is vastly superior to any other android phone I've seen (Desire included).
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Really? You have to go all out and use the word "everything" when the phone can get major lockups?
"most things" sounds like a more reasonable and believable choice of words...
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.
Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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Psx emulator does not use the gpu...yet
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this. i played king of fighters on my hd2 and it was laggy as hell
smooth as butter on my galaxy s
to be honest. the day psx4droid use gpu. galaxy owners are in heaven.
Its unlikely it ever will though, even modern pc emulators barely use the gpu, only for anti aliasing
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My friends I do own an SGS (not happy with it thought) and the tests that I posted were run from me.
I wasn't talking about the gaming performance (I know that SGS is the best out there)
This thread was started so that we can find an answer why is this happening?
I see some answers that cover it but I believe not completely because in everyday use of the phones I see that HD2 is snappier (not much but it is) than SGS (with lagfix).
The best test I believe would be to put the phones to encode something (like a video) but I don't know any software that could do that. (If anyone knows some please point them to me and I'll be happy to post the results here)
The tests you mention with psx and multimedia won't show as what we're looking because the SGS will clearly win because of the GPU.
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Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...
Snapdragon/Hummingbird scores in glbenchmark (nexus one/galaxy s):
integer: 20661/27624
float: 11173/7968
I guess glbenchmark uses native C code (hopefully with armv7 optimization), so the JIT compiler has no effect. From the scores it seems that the floating point unit in Snapdragon is faster - but most of the time it is not used (except video & games).
Anyway, a benchmark to measure the same algorithm in both native & java code with scalar & vector instructions would be great...
t1mman said:
Why in hell woul you want to incodea video using a smartPHONE...?
It's like trying to fit your family and grocery in a sport car... not made for this bro!
stop trying to find reason to "not like" the SGS, if you don't like it, sell it and be done...
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he's not whining, well, not in the first place and i don't see any harm on that i think he's trying to UNDERSTAND reasons behind numbers and daily use with help of other people, so am i. if i had to sell phones for every problem i encounter i will problaby be without (smart)phone at this time
i don't care about benchmarks, but if you think that sgs is smoother than hd2 xda optimized (with wm 6.5 or android 2.2) you obviously never owned an hd2 i'm not talking about games, like johcos says galaxy s performance is not questionable. but android is not all about game. anyway, i don't think hardware is the problem here, sure sgs is superior in many aspects, we know that, regardless benchmarks (even if it seems here that only benchmarks where sgs win are trustworthy, others are not good, not optimized, not realistic, meaningless for real life performance etc.). with a little help from samsung and this community sgs will soon outperform (in real usage) all snapdragon phones. i hope
...when average men talk about the high tech w/o knowledge, boo
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
man. if you are not happy, then i think you should sell it. no one here will give you a satisfying answer that warm your heart. look for desire hd or something.
to answer ur questions. i get a 2100+ on quadrant. using voodoo fix and oclf on my eclaire. lag free and smooth as butter.
but either way, these test scores mean nothing. they were not designed for samusng hardware. it was designed based on htc and the snapdragon processor.
even people who use neocore for gpu are wrong. if you wana test the gpu performance, use nenamark1. the sgs gives u 49+ fps while the desire HD struggle to give u 35. while if you use neocore. the sgs gives u 56 while desire hd 58
my point is most of those software were designed with htc hardware in mind. so you cant really compare them.
just test your device for your self. apply whatever best roms you find here. if it doesnt lag and smooth for you. then ^^^^ everyone else.
the display alone is worth keepin the sgs for me. sure people might like i phone 4 display more. but nothing in my eyes come close to the contrast and colors of the super amoled. watching a movie or playing a game is a joy in this device.
hell yesterday evening a local htc store had a demo of desire hd. and the guy was nice enough to me play with it for like 1 hour.
device as a hardware look. its friggin sexy as hell. screen ? beauitful large 4.3 screen. quality colors compared to sgs ? fail. a lil slow and laggy " i am sure its because of the firmware. once roms are out, it will be faster "
i was thinking to change to desire hd honestly. but i wake away from the store kissing my sgs.
i love the desire hf look and feel. but as of now its not as smooth as my sgs. and the screen isnt as vibrant.
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Honestly couldn't agree anymore, even with all the problems the SGS has. The screen+hardware combination is just too overwhelming for me to swap the phone for something else.
hi everyone
i just come from a Hero and got this thing,its crazy s**t
put desire hd android on its awsome,beats my Hero anyday.lol.
i noticed thats guys on here are getting quadrant scores of 2000+ i aint got to that point yet but then i was looking at Gsmarena at the new Lg star,if you have look at the bottom of page in the vid bit, only ses 2146 and guys on here are getting more,its flippen unreal hows it whipping a duel-core mobi.it shoulda been an android phone from the start
ps anyone know why the music EQ aint working mdj desire hd 4.4
the lg what ?
even if it had a million cores , i wouldnt buy non htc
We have like really good CPU power and I/O scores...
in the video your talking about.... it takes a while to get thru these tests.... but it flies thru the 2D and 3D test....
so it has a great GPU but Lg failed at making their I/O scores decent... which is fine... cuz Android likes animations and thats more of GPU than I/O or CPU....
anyhow... probably not worth switching... waiting for tegra III or IV on a htc device...
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the lg what ?
even if it had a million cores , i wouldnt buy non htc
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same here. those guys are too lazy to update their roms.
Seeing as quadrant doesn't support multithreading, it would only be benchmarking one of the cores anyway...
Quadrant scores don't really mean anything. There's a lot of things that can boost up a quadrant score but that doesn't actually mean its faster or smoother. Also, any rooted and properly tweaked native phone of similar specs will beat the hd2 any day. Everyone always compares the tweaked and modified hd2s quadrant scores to stock android phones, which isn't a fair comparison if they aren't also rooted and tweaked. My friend with a nexus one easily gets over 3000 on his quadrant scores. It all depends how you tweak it. A native phone will probably always be able to outperform a port of android.... but atleast we can run multiple OS's.
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Hi guys
im pondering getting hold of a Desire HD, i have been using a HD2 with android for a while now, and while its good, its still not as responsive as my friends standard desire, which is strange as on quadrant and on an3dbench i score higher
i played with the desire hd instore today (no access to download from the market) and it was smooth as silk
i am however just wondering what kind of scores (bragging rights, sad i know, but at least i am honest) it gets on the following benchmarks, i have found quadrant scores anywhere between 1700 and 2200,
an3dbench
nenamark
quadrant
smarthbench
if anyone could help me out i would be very pleased, i am currently also looking at a nexus s, my friend has one and it scores huge on benchmarks, but seems to be laggy around the menu's so i am not convinced either way
Quadrant, and other synthetic benches do not tell much about overall system speed and smoothness. My current ROM, Android Revolution HD, gives ~3600 points in quadrant @ 1.61 GHz, but I could not care less. I would be equally happy if it gave 1000 points, because the system is silky smooth, and that is what matters.
+1 benchmarks are meaningless, as op states HD2 gets better benchmark results than desire whilst is laggy in use.
Everyone is right benchmarks are crap. But i score between 2700 and 3000 on quadrant.
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Yeah, i score around 2500 with RevHD 2.1 @ 1GHz.
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Hi guys
im pondering getting hold of a Desire HD, i have been using a HD2 with android for a while now, and while its good, its still not as responsive as my friends standard desire, which is strange as on quadrant and on an3dbench i score higher
i played with the desire hd instore today (no access to download from the market) and it was smooth as silk
i am however just wondering what kind of scores (bragging rights, sad i know, but at least i am honest) it gets on the following benchmarks, i have found quadrant scores anywhere between 1700 and 2200,
an3dbench
nenamark
quadrant
smarthbench
if anyone could help me out i would be very pleased, i am currently also looking at a nexus s, my friend has one and it scores huge on benchmarks, but seems to be laggy around the menu's so i am not convinced either way
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I am using standard rom 1.72, sim free dhd with spb shell 5.0 , quadrand 1850, very happy with performance, phone is very smooth.., before spend a lot time with htc touch hd and every week put in new rom, never was happy, now is so big different , I am not even looking for root phone, at least for a while...
Here are a few videos I made comparing the SPB Shell 3D launcher on my LG G2x to Go Launcher EX running on my Droid X. Enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxm-wwxQDSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE8rGYwCxx4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKcUjPbepDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec0UWCoKzwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTqF9fRXX1Q
Good job on the videos,
THANKS a lot for steering me clear of that $15 launcher, I totally agree that GO Launcher is better
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Qualcomm has the fastest. If you compared the Droid X to a single 1GHz Snapdragon, you would also see that it is much smoother than the Droid X.
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Incorrect...Have you ever used an HTC Incredible next to a Droid X? The Incredible (1GHz snapdragon) lags considerably with the same programs installed, even in similarly clean OS environment when compared to the DroidX.
Also, your next comment about how the DroidX is slower than old generation 600mhz processors is also totally false.
I'm sorry, don't mean to hijack your thread
Crobs,
No I haven't seen a stock Incredible, what I have seen is an Incredible S, it runs over 30 MFLOPS and I think it's totally stock (may have custom ROM, it belongs to a guy at work). I also don't know what the difference is between an Incredible and an "S".
My son's Optimus running Cyogen 7 runs a Linpack score of 36 MFLOPS. NOTE: The old V6 CPU is actually an 800 MHz CPU that is clocked at 600 MHz, it is slowed down to conserve battery, I know my son is running at 800 MHz, so his battery is life is shortened.
The best I have run (I've tried several different ROMs) is 16...not even 1/2 of what either of them is scoring...right now I'm back to stock running 12 MFLOPS.
Also all of the ROM's I've tried have had issues, reboots, shutdowns, won't turn off, market doesn't work, WIFI, won't push email, etc....just random stuff, I need my phone to work, my son's phone works perfectly and is much faster than mine.
I will accept that you say the Droid-X can run with the Snapdragon, can you tell me which ROM is stable and will run 30+ MFLOPS? Because so far I haven't seen it, and I want to.
Thanks.
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Crobs,
No I haven't seen a stock Incredible, what I have seen is an Incredible S, it runs over 30 MFLOPS and I think it's totally stock (may have custom ROM, it belongs to a guy at work). I also don't know what the difference is between an Incredible and an "S".
My son's Optimus running Cyogen 7 runs a Linpack score of 36 MFLOPS. NOTE: The old V6 CPU is actually an 800 MHz CPU that is clocked at 600 MHz, it is slowed down to conserve battery, I know my son is running at 800 MHz, so his battery is life is shortened.
The best I have run (I've tried several different ROMs) is 16...not even 1/2 of what either of them is scoring...right now I'm back to stock running 12 MFLOPS.
Also all of the ROM's I've tried have had issues, reboots, shutdowns, won't turn off, market doesn't work, WIFI, won't push email, etc....just random stuff, I need my phone to work, my son's phone works perfectly and is much faster than mine.
I will accept that you say the Droid-X can run with the Snapdragon, can you tell me which ROM is stable and will run 30+ MFLOPS? Because so far I haven't seen it, and I want to.
Thanks.
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You're right, I really wish I had 30+ MFLOPS so I could send texts, emails and browse the internet. Oh wait, any phone can already do that.
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You're right, I really wish I had 30+ MFLOPS so I could send texts, emails and browse the internet. Oh wait, any phone can already do that.
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I have some code written to upload a program for ladder logic in our automated warehouse (ladder logic is what mechanical engineers think programming is).
On my G1 it took about 40 minutes to run. On my droid-x it runs a under 15 mins. If I use a laptop I can run it in about 5 mins, but that means I have to haul a laptop on a 60 foot climb to the top of the scafolding to the controller, it's not so easy, so if I can get it to run from a Linux phone it's easier, in fact I used to use my 40 minute G1 to do it instead of hauling a laptop up there.
I am very familiar with ladder logic. I am a QA Engineer for security software and one of the panels we integrate to uses ladder logic behind the scenes for configuration of access to doors and readers.
At any rate - it seems like you should be taking a Netbook up there with you, or a tablet.
My original point stands - you are trying to us a phone to do what a computer or tablet should be doing. I hear complaints on these forums all the time where people buy a phone then they are dissapointed that it cannot remote start their car....um, like come on you bought a PHONE! what did you expect.
Also, you need to stop going around to all the new posts and posting that Qualcomm is better than DroidX. If you don't like it just keep it to yourself - your comments aren't helping anyone.