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I'm planning on getting the wizard very soon and i was wondering which emulation software you guys have been successful with. i understand that snes is abit sketchy, but has anyone tried the psx FPSEce program? I was looking at the videos and i was pretty impressed, but the only thing was that the program was being runned on hp's ipaq series with 400+mhz. how was this thing par up with the measley 200mhz? has anyone tried it?
i'm pretty hyped.. btw hermes isn't coming for a while so i don't htink i can hold out seeing that i need to switch out of carriers very soon.
Mario on a Phone...
I have been using Pocket Nester...it runs old NES Roms...I have loved it...Finally Mario 1, 2 & 3 on my phone where they were meant
kamakazi17 said:
I'm planning on getting the wizard very soon and i was wondering which emulation software you guys have been successful with. i understand that snes is abit sketchy, but has anyone tried the psx FPSEce program? I was looking at the videos and i was pretty impressed, but the only thing was that the program was being runned on hp's ipaq series with 400+mhz. how was this thing par up with the measley 200mhz? has anyone tried it?
i'm pretty hyped.. btw hermes isn't coming for a while so i don't htink i can hold out seeing that i need to switch out of carriers very soon.
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I've been trying to get FPSEce to run FF7 on my wizard, but haven't had much luck yet. I think it's a problem with my rom (making my own from my playstation discs, so I probably botched it somewhere...) I'm going to keep trying though.. I'm worried about the speed issues too.. not sure how well it will work since it seems everyone else is using axims and ipaqs.. haven't read any reports of people doing it on their HTC devices...
FPSEce most likely won't run well at all on the Wizard. I run it on a Universal and it still has major slow downs at times, and only does a semi-decent job in general.
Re: Mario on a Phone...
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I have been using Pocket Nester...it runs old NES Roms...I have loved it...Finally Mario 1, 2 & 3 on my phone where they were meant
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I've also been using PocketNester and also PocketGnuboy, both of which seem pretty fast and stable as well as free!
Also tried PocketUAE last night just for the hell of it, actually worked first time with a 1.3 rom and happily loaded up the first game I found (1st Div Manager). Too slow to be playable (especially in the match part) so no SWOS soon I'm afraid but did remind me of those happy bygone days! Really ought to dig out my A4000 again (or my CD32, A1200 or even my A500!)
I don't want to hijack the thread, but is anyone else having trouble with not getting sound from PocketNester or PocketNES? Neither one has sounds out of all the ROMs I try.
ive run ff7 on my wizard but performance isnt too great...the fmv's **** everything up so i have to re do the iso and maybe relink the fmv's
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ive run ff7 on my wizard but performance isnt too great...the fmv's **** everything up so i have to re do the iso and maybe relink the fmv's
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really, thats pretty impressive, i would think the measley 200 mhz processor isn't enough to even have a start screen. =\ do you guys think the hermes will be able to accomplish task?
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but is anyone else having trouble with not getting sound from PocketNester or PocketNES? Neither one has sounds out of all the ROMs I try.
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Found this as a reponse to Haykuro Blog:
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There shall be a built-in app for the android platform that will be able to run beryl engines. I have all the source codes which ill be porting very soon for the g1, it will be over a jf Build due to the responsivness of the build.
Sin, mddictator.
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awesome! bring on the expo, 3d cube, and the magic lamp/fire effect!
Imagin being able to see all running apps in an expo or 3d cube, how bad ass would that be?
But, from my experience with Beryl (Compiz Fuzion), it gets kind of laggy even on my 9800gtx, but that may have been a driver issue with ubuntu.
Heres a preview of some of the beryl effects for those who have never used it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ARotY86A0&feature=related
Nice! I can't wait for it!
Is this even possible? I'm running compiz on my main laptop and it would be hot to have beryl on the G1 but aren't there too many hardware limitations? Or is there a different Beryl that you're talking about?
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But, from my experience with Beryl (Compiz Fuzion), it gets kind of laggy even on my 9800gtx, but that may have been a driver issue with ubuntu.
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I've been using compiz on an old p4 512ram sony vaio with no real noticeable lag, so maybe.
My biggest issue with compiz right now is that I get horizontal line breaks when I watch anything on full screen :\
I've been waiting for a compiz port for android, I can't wait. I've grown far too accustomed to having things catch on fire when I close them lol. It'll be interesting to see what they do about the keybindings though.
I use dxTop so I hope I don't have to disable it to avoid key binding conflicts but I see that happening at least in the beginning.
Awesome. With Roger FW and these effects, my phone is awesome device.
android runs a frame buffer, actual compiz could never run here. The guy is either a moron or using the term beryl to describe animations in a way people might understand. Leaning towards a moron who is just replying to a blog post since he mentions "porting".
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android runs a frame buffer, actual compiz could never run here. The guy is either a moron or using the term beryl to describe animations in a way people might understand. Leaning towards a moron who is just replying to a blog post since he mentions "porting".
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holy ****... you sure you wanna call him a moron dude???
those are some harsh statements about a major player in the android fw dev world!
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holy ****... you sure you wanna call him a moron dude???
those are some harsh statements about a major player in the android fw dev world!
-R.A.
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Sorry I have never heard of a 'mddictator' and a google search does not result in much. Maybe you misread the opening post and think Haykuro made those comments? I think it is pretty clear a compositing window manager for X will not ever work on just a frame buffer.
I'm agreeing with imtehk. This kind of speculation, based on reply by an unknown in another forum is ludicrous.
The guy speaks of "beryl engines." Beryl engines, like truglass, oxygen, etc....are for the window decorator part of compiz fusion. Last time I checked, Android doesn't use X-windows with compiz fusion or any other window manager--because it doesn't have any windows! Beryl engines don't have anything to do with desktop effects like cubes, just the windows.
So mddictator is agitating the excrement or really has no idea what he's talking about. I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong, but until someone shows me the app, I'm calling BS.
I would love to see this but I am skeptical; I HOPE to be proven wrong.
For one, like it has been pointed out, Beryl is the decorator part of Compiz Fusion. I don't even have it enabled currently I think and I'm still using Compiz with Metacity style decorations.
Secondly, Compiz Fusion is a Window manager for X. Android doesn't use X nor anything slightly resembling it. The idea of switching between workspaces seems pointless to me from the way Android works it's apps. Actually, Android doesn't even have system wide workspaces (Apart from home) so implementing it would be interesting...
Having the cube effect on the Home screen would be awesome but Compiz can't really help much there to my knowledge. It would be easier to just code that from scratch. Compiz is so MUCH more than decorations and I can't see it being use.
Maybe someone is just releasing something that looks like Compiz, in which case they may have been miss quoted from someone who doesn't know what they are on about?
I think I remember the oPhone has this already anyway, so it seems very possible.
I understand the need to tweak, but it seems that tweaking OpenGL only seems to improve LWPs, at the sacrifice of 3D games and Google Maps.
I'm running FreshToast 1.1, and I think it has a hacked up OpenGL.
Google Maps Navigation works, but the screen "blinks" every 2-3 seconds, and to be honest, the 3D performance in gaming is worse than my 1.5 ROM without overclocking or JIT or anything. Damage Control (whichever one he didn't mess with OpenGL) seemed to work just as good as 1.5
Is OpenGL baked into the Kernel? Or can I just push some files and have OpenGL back to the way it was from the "original" sprint release, or whatever it is that works with Google Nav.
herm... ive done nothing to opengl in my build. that is the same opengl that is in every single 2.1 RUU. the same libs that are gonna be in the official update from Sprint. the kernel however has been modified. but only modified to support opengl 1.1 which is eclair opengl. my kernel drivers actually work better then the .29 kernel drivers. producing better fps and better blit ability then .29 kernel drivers. if a game runs funny and is blinking and such it could be the game itself or the games lack of support for opengl 1.1. if ur sayin the games u play work better in cupcake then idk what to say. other then that load up cupcake and run neocore. come back and give me a report. i doubt ur gonna get anything close to what opengl1.1 produces.
as for the LWP opengl kill. all they are doing is adding cupcake opengl libs or noncompatable opengl libs and getting LWP to work. i have not done this and actually think its pointless. but some dont play games and just want some cool LWPs. who am i to judge?
anyhow in my build ur getting the same opengl that ur gonna get in any eclair build using eclair libs. love it or hate it there is nothing we can do about it. the only advantage to using mine and the other OC builds is the CPU is able to process the information faster. thus giving u better frame rates. this all varies of course on the game and what it wants. ive played a few games in testing and have found OC, opengl1.1, and BFS have given a much better feel and framerates. while others may feel good and run smooth but have glitchy bitmaps and textures. for example: homerunbattle... it has awesome actual game play but there seem to be textures that flip out. on the other hand ive played toonwarz which really sucked before, but is totally smooth and actually playable now. also R.thunder lite has shown major improvements. it even says its for high end devices and before all the cpu and shed mods it was totally unplayable. now its playable and actually fun if u ditch the sound to improve frame rates. so yeah i can see where ur coming from. but i also know that OC, BFS, and opengl 1.1 together have made my hero go from playing pong to actually rendering some awesome games. a few glitches and pixelation is to be exspected if ur gonna push a device to play a game it wasnt meant to, or crank the cpu up to get better frame rates. it all come down to hardware. were never gonna make the hero run like a nexus. but..... ive given it the boyscout effort.
also i welcome people to review my kernel source and if they find improvements to submit changes. if u got a better way to make our hardware render please pm me make a patch, or whatever. i be glad to sign ur name to it and push it to my tree.
is there no command or syntax for disabling the opengl in a smali in the lwp's to make them stick? also, I've seen some magic roms with a sup setup app that has an option to disable 3d... I'm assuming this means opengl, as I am pretty damn sure they don't have a seperate gpu, is it possible to make this work on our hero's? Turn it off for keeping your lwp's, turning it on to play games?
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i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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lmfao
grammar* ;/
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lol!
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its thanks to toast i have any hope left
I meant no disrespect as far as your work is considered toast, sorry if it came off that way. You and Flipz have "the hottest ****" (no other way to put it ;-) ).
I'm actually referring to two separate issues. One is Google Maps Navigation. The 3D moving map blinking. I was running Aloyouis (however you spell it) and I know he was doing something with the OpenGL and in turn it broke Google Nav. Now after running Google Nav on freshtoast it works, but is very glitchy. On Aloyouis it was just a black screen. I assumed it had something to do with making LWP work.
The other is actual gameplay lag. I'll have to try toonwarz again. I remember it seemed cool, but too laggy. The game I was referring to in particular was Armagodon Squadron. Then again it may be due to the fact that It's loading a lot of textures off the SD card (A2SD) I'll try putting it on internal memory.
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i love how your like one of the smartest guys here but have the worst grammer
gives hope to us small time guys
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and with open gl. i get that weird flashing sometimes with rthunder2. but not bad. i game too on my hero. thats why i left blackberry in the first place. but anyways the .27 OC kernel and my modified rom plays rthunder2 smooth even with sound.
no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.
In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.
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In that case, are you aware of the "glitching" in google maps nav?
Its as if when driving, its loading a different set of images (maps) and flashes it for a few ms every say.... 5-8 seconds.
I just noticed there is an update for google maps, so im going to update and see if its fixed tomorrow when I do my errand runs.
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ill try it in the mornin
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I agree, I saw the flashes in google nav, but just blew it off and not sure why its happening. It doesnt really bother me, but if it can be fixed, then thats great!
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no offense taken(even on the grammar crack). anyhow i was trying to inform. many people are misinformed on these forums. i see things all the time like "opengl fix" and "kernel hack", that are far from what the mods really are. "opengl fix" really means "broken opengl so u can have nicer lwp" and " kernel mod" really means "added a few lines to the ramdisk". its kinda funny from my point of view because most actually think its some sort of real "fix" or "mod to the kernel". being misinformed is what started this thread. if the "rom devs" that use those terms wouldve been more descriptive of what they actually did. then u wouldve known what "opengl fix" really meant. but its also a domino effect that causes that to happen. when i see a fix im not all jumping head first to be first man out. i actually look at what was done and try to figure out how it was done. anyhow im always here to help everyone and when i seen the post i knew u needed to know a few things about the "opengl fixes" that have been gong around.
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lol whats wrong with his grammar, hahaha thats how everyone talks online, i use most of those words when texting, i hardcore say gonna, i hate typing out going to.
Hello everybody.
If anyone is interested how our device performs next to the "big boy" like One X, here is a video showing you exactly that.
Besides, it prooves absolutely the oposite of what HTC have said about our device running better android 2.3.5 than android 4.0.
Make love, not war!
miHah
I started watching this video and then he started talking. Clothes instantly came off.
Benicio del Toro??????
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Great video! What ROM are you using?
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Yes, would be interessting to know which ROM is used on the DHD. Runs really smooth in my opinion. Currently i'm using Virtuos Infinity v1.30.0 Alpha 1.
This video actually doesn't prove a thing. You usually don't see much of a difference unless you did something more resource heavy than what I saw him do in the video.
Thanks a lot man U have just confirmed what we all were suspecting. This device is more than capable for running ICS and HTC just want us to buy another cellphone
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Yes, would be interessting to know which ROM is used on the DHD. Runs really smooth in my opinion. Currently i'm using Virtuos Infinity v1.30.0 Alpha 1.
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It's using Primo s v3.5 as you can see when he gos to the software version
Actually marl30 is right, you can take any phone and do those things fairly quickly, the difference is in the heavy using. What is the point of having ICS if your phone will not be able to play games as smoothly as it used to before. Some people would say they don't need games, but that is not the issue. A company such as HTC is obliged to provide a ROM with full functionality, heavy gaming included. If in their opinion DHD is not capable of running games on ICS the same way it was on GB then their not releasing ICS for DHD would be fully understandable. Although I tried gaming on HTC and must say that there is little difference in performance. The issue is that the drivers are not perfect and sometimes there are glitches on the screen or some lights missing.
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Actually marl30 is right, you can take any phone and do those things fairly quickly, the difference is in the heavy using. What is the point of having ICS if your phone will not be able to play games as smoothly as it used to before. Some people would say they don't need games, but that is not the issue. A company such as HTC is obliged to provide a ROM with full functionality, heavy gaming included. If in their opinion DHD is not capable of running games on ICS the same way it was on GB then their not releasing ICS for DHD would be fully understandable. Although I tried gaming on HTC and must say that there is little difference in performance. The issue is that the drivers are not perfect and sometimes there are glitches on the screen or some lights missing.
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1- little difference.
2- nothing is perfect, even htc's last oficial rom was buggy
3- of course there are glitches, devs here are either porting from other phones or building from ground up and doing a hell of a good job.
4- and yeah, I do agree with your initial statement - but that is not the issue as stated beforehand.
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Don't get me wrong, I also think we should get ICS or even JB. I believe that it would run like hell on our DHDs. I'm only saying that you can't compare those two phones barely on such mundane tasks like opening an sms app or launching facebook. The test with locking and unlocking the phone is just playing stupid. You can take any new phone and compare it to any old phone and the result will be the same, the task is designed to be easy on the phone so to be accomplished quickly.
Try running these two through a benchmark or measure the framerate on some gameloft games (Asphalt, GT Motor Academy etc.) the difference will be huge.
Quite frankly, to me the only viable reason for us is the fact that HTC One V (or One S) is actually the same phone as our DHD but with ****ty camera, and that thing is getting ICS. So if the same hardware with worse camera can operate sufficiently under ICS why can't the DHD. It obviously is a scam on us customers to make us leave the great device that we have and go spend our money on some new HTC phone. If you ask me that whole thing with ICS helped me with a decision, I know now that my next phone will not be HTC, probably SGS III or Note 2, at least they get support.
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The test with locking and unlocking the phone is just playing stupid. You can take any new phone and compare it to any old phone and the result will be the same, the task is designed to be easy on the phone so to be accomplished quickly.
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Yes, but both devices use same software so its only the matter of hardware (and cpu scheduler) how fast they unlock But yea, it clearly did not proove anything besides that Desire HD can run Ice Cream Sandwich like big phones can. I think that was the point?
Well, almost. What I meant was that running ICS is one thing, other thing is to run apps on ICS. In the same way you can compare an old PC and a new PC. Old one will run games ok under Win XP. New one will run games the same under Win7. But if you install Win7 on the old PC the system itself will run fine, simple tasks will run as well as on the new one but you will not be able to play your games anymore.
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Well, almost. What I meant was that running ICS is one thing, other thing is to run apps on ICS. In the same way you can compare an old PC and a new PC. Old one will run games ok under Win XP. New one will run games the same under Win7. But if you install Win7 on the old PC the system itself will run fine, simple tasks will run as well as on the new one but you will not be able to play your games anymore.
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Comparing windows to android is like comparing a toyota to a benz.
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The idea is the same. Comparison to windows was merely to exemplify my point.
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The idea is the same. Comparison to windows was merely to exemplify my point.
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I got your point (edit: maybe I didn't), but it is not the same to put a benz engine in a toyota frame than a toyota engine in a benz.
Android is basically linux (someone correct me if I wrong), and linux is developed in such a way you can put it in older machines and works much better than windows in the same machine.
If android follows the same philosophy, then there is no reason why a fully optimized ics or jb can't work on our dhd's/inspires.
I may be wrong and I may have digressed from your initial premise, if I did sorrry.
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I got your point (edit: maybe I didn't), but it is not the same to put a benz engine in a toyota frame than a toyota engine in a benz.
Android is basically linux (someone correct me if I wrong), and linux is developed in such a way you can put it in older machines and works much better than windows in the same machine.
If android follows the same philosophy, then there is no reason why a fully optimized ics or jb can't work on our dhd's/inspires.
I may be wrong and I may have digressed from your initial premise, if I did sorrry.
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You are correct. Because every update does not make the system resource heavy, but its optimized so it runs smoother and buttery good, like jelly bean. Its not like windows - they are heavier and heavier because they want people to buy new computers. Remember - windows has 85% sales when people buy windows preinstalled on computers. You cant compare it with android or cars (cars and engine - you are talking hardware here, we are all about software)
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Hello everybody.
If anyone is interested how our device performs next to the "big boy" like One X, here is a video showing you exactly that.
Besides, it prooves absolutely the oposite of what HTC have said about our device running better android 2.3.5 than android 4.0.
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I.. do not fully understand. You show a video proving the animation speeds are the same? If im not mistaken, arnt the animations made to run at a certain speed? If thats the case then the video really doesnt prove anything between the two phones.
HTC should learn something from this.. The developers in XDA can do this so why cant the engineers at HTC??
They should hire their developers from XDA
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I.. do not fully understand. You show a video proving the animation speeds are the same? If im not mistaken, arnt the animations made to run at a certain speed? If thats the case then the video really doesnt prove anything between the two phones.
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In video it was pointed out that all setting on both phones are the same, so its all matter of harware how the phones perform.
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Thanks a lot man U have just confirmed what we all were suspecting. This device is more than capable for running ICS and HTC just want us to buy another cellphone
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We all know HTC i not being sincere by saying we wont have a nice experience on ICS... Its just some marketing decisions.. Stupid company..
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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First off its no % faster its X faster ie text rendering is like 10X faster etc.
The new start screen is far more productive.
You can use 16bit installers on 64bit os
better hardware support
way more secure
more stable
better power management uses fraction of the battery
built in hardware acceleration across the whole OS
better graphics handling
cleaner os that gets less clutter by design
You can save your entire system to a usb stick for working remote sites
better memory management
faster booting programs - crisis was half the time, auto cad was 1/4
boots faster including instant boot - with the correct hardware
wakes from sleep almost instantly (less then a second on an old Centrino laptop)
SSD support is far better - faster
AND YOU DONT NEED TO USE METRO APPS!!! If you don't like Metro don't use it! If you want to give up on vastly better faster more secure more stable system because you prefer to search a list instead of looking at a grid of tiles then so be it. And all that for a few quid as well, I don't get this hate i really don't please someone actually explain it to me! Why is it such a bad thing? Surely its only a cosmetic thing as other then that its much much better for a pile of reasons i have listed in other threads and at worst its on par. Surely you love of a list to sacrifice progression is just odd and you cant then argue its about productivity as for a ton of reasons win 8 smashes any other version out the park on that.
I would never pay full retail for it but for $40... this is a major upgrade to the OS in terms of stability and performance. Also, you don't necessarily need a clean install (i hope for microsoft's sake).
-Copy and delete jobs can now be paused. Yeah. You'll be missing out on a feature that simple if you don't upgrade.
-Multiple copy/delete jobs now take up a single window. No longer will multiple copy/delete jobs clog the task bar with multiple instances.
-Realtime, background backups with multiple states (So you can access every single version of a file there ever was on your computer)
-Backup to network hard-drives
-The $40 upgrade will net you Windows 8 Pro, even if you only have Windows 7 Home Premium. That means you'll get all the extra stuff like encryption and a maximum 192GB of RAM, rather than 16GB.
-Integrated social networks/mail/calendar/etc
-Cloud synchronisation of OS settings
-Simple and clean recovery options
-File copy jobs are now like 2+ times faster
-Faster in all aspects. Less CPU usage, less RAM usage, faster file management.
-Absolutely no intrusion from Windows Update. Ever. No pop ups or anything.
The boot times truly are astonishing. My Windows 8 Release Preview notebook with 7200rpm hard drive boots faster than my Windows 7 with SSD, even though the notebook's installation is older and the hard drive is more full.
Every boot, unless you restart due to an update, is sort of a hybrid between hibernation and full shutdown. Drivers and system files in a loaded state are saved to the disk, and immediately transferred into the RAM at boot.
UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.
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UI navigation is faster than Windows 7, too. I only used the start menu to search. I never actually used All Programs because it was too slow and small to navigate, and got clogged with readmes and other stuff.
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I avoided the all programs because it took way too many clicks to get anywhere. But on Windows 8 its just a "click" or two of the scroll wheel and you're there (depending on how you arrange your start screen).
Though what bugs me the most is that when you install a program it pins so many shortcuts to the start screen (probably devs have to fix it themselves). For example I installed solidworks last week and it put 15-20 icons on there for all of its settings and edrawings crap.
SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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mri.project said:
I am really fail to find any reason to use windows 8 in any form .
i use now windows 7 x64 and i really fail to see how windows 8 is better other then that ugly stupid Metro thing good only in tablets.
some minor fixes and changes but i won't do a clean install just for that.
So please light me why Microsoft even made it?
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w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have
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w8 is a downgrade for you. just enjoy what you have
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Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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adamantell said:
SSD faster??
I'm running two vortex 3 raid 0 will this be faster?
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Yes,
though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.
lumpaywk said:
Please explain your comment instead of just putting up FUD! How in any way is Windows 8 a downgrade from 7? We are open to talks both ways but your comment is just inflammatory negative and plain wrong without any valid argument or point!
I would really love to hear your views on WHY it is a downgrade please share. I have yet to find anyone who can say why other then "I don't like the way it looks". You seem to be very direct with your point so you must have reasons! come on share them or are you just a troll?
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Yes,
though running vortex in raid 0 is risky they have a fairly high fail rate and yes you get some speed bens of 0 with SSD its not anything like the diff in hhd running it.
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fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.
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fear, uncertainty and doubt was not spread by me. also, there was no inflammation involved.
also, when you use "we" instead of "I", you infer a representation of more than one person. I commented to the op, very specifically, and am only speaking for myself. are you speaking for a group?
read the op's original post. he doesn't like w8, doesn't care for the UI, doesn't like the features that are new. very simply, he doesn't need to downgrade to something he's not interested in, and will receive little to no benefit from.
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We if ref the community as a whole, generally if you go to forums its because you wish to share knowledge and/or talk about the pro and cons of each topic. Clearly your not involved in this collective as you fall into the closed minded I need to spread hate category that plague us.
Second of all you have not put any constructive point still. Yes the OP stated a dislike for the UI but asked past that is there a reason to upgrade so you listing the original concern is not putting forward anything.
Yes there is no need but then there is no NEED to leave XP for a couple years yet but does that mean if I like the look of XP its a downgrade to go to 7 or 8? personally I think the best looking phone is the nokia 8850 does that mean that im on a downgraded phone now I use my Lumia 800 or my One X?
There has been plenty of reasons put forward as to why its a good upgrade look above ie faster, more secure, better hardware support, better graphics support, faster browsing, better power consumption etc etc but I guess there all downgrades to after all who wants to be secure and fast when you can have something older and slower because you don't like the "look" of something you use about 1% of the time.
Also no the fear isn't spread by you its spread by the closed minded, the commenters that look at vids instead of using, reporters paid by Apple a fear of the unknown an unwillingness to change and more then anything else a game dev who stands to lose out after MS offer something better then his silly games store that runs better on 8 then 7.
that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?
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that was a lot to read. where was your positive input?
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It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.
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It is nothing to do with positive or negative input! Its about that input having substance or meaning and pref with facts or evidence to back it up. To say something is a downgrade when someone is asking for advice from people that have insight when you have nothing to back that up is not only negative and derogatory its also of no help. If you have a valid reason why then by all means share it but as I said, only someone who has not even used Windows 8 for any amount of time would think that the new interface is anything more than a slight change to people that don't want to install metro apps.
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again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!
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again, the op said he didtn like it.
is it not fairly easy to understand that using something you like less , is a downgrade?
no matter how much paint you put on a pig, its still a pig.
now, hold her horses, this is -not- a comparison to w8. this simply means , no matter how much you point out how great something is, if someone doesn't like pig.... they just don't like pig!
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using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them
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using your own analogy, pigs are very often miss understood animals, many people who don't like pigs would like them if the bothered to get to know them
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mannnnn, you're goooooood.
works for me! now convince the op
I'm lazy, if someone says they hate pigs, I just let em eat fish. or birds. or whatever.
I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!
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so i read this thread yesterday b/c i was thinking of upgrading to W8... just installed it, and aside from something going wrong and me having to do a clean install halfway through installation which means i lost all my existing files, this thing is AWESOME!!! takes a moment to get used to... but having the option to use the normal look is good to have on there!! now time to install all my programs again lol
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also forgot to mention... is there anyway to integrate gmail instead of this microsoft email stuff?? being an android user, my stuff is heavily sync'd already in that area and i think it would be great to have similar integration to this too!!
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Mail app is trash for gmail (kind of like hotmail and yahoo for android - they suck). Same with people and messenger for facebook. It's better to use the desktop sites for these. Calendar is nice for viewing google calendar, it puts reminders on your lock screen and live tiles. Though if you want to change anything I would suggest using the website again.
thanks... i guess what i was referring to was the whole integration part... pictures, mail, im, etc... but i guess its not that big of a deal really... chrome installed fine and i just use that anyways... still some getting used to... but it's nice and i love the smoothness and speed of this!
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I use my pc purely for gaming and Web browsing. I use my mbp for everything else as I prefer osx for productivity. Those things listed don't seem to help much for Gaming. I have ssd sata3, will speeds improve? Also ultimate 7 already allows me to back up to a network hdd. I haven't read much good about gaming.. Gabe Newell didn't seem to like what win8 had to offer. Thoughts?
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Gaming and web browsing see a big improvement. That said I would wait till you get the final build drivers out for your graphics card as with any new system.
Games boot times and load times are massively improved, cutting some load times in half already (will get faster as drivers and updates come). Not only that most comparisons also see a reasonable diff in fps and that is on beta graphics drivers. On top of that you get some cool features like cross platform live integration and xp points. You get live chat without needing some clunky background software eating your resources. Also if you set up the backup features right if say you accidently over save a game you can roll back to any date the save file (there was a really good write up on how this is useful http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/08/03/how-windows-8-file-history-saved-my-career/ ). Don't listen to Gabe he is just kicking off because he sees the MS store as competition to his own and so is trying to manipulate the market into running an OS that again forces users into his store, nothing more than that!
Also browsing is improved though not as much as I would of like but even a small improvement is better than non. most notably is that test is now rendered with hardware acceleration as well as everything else. You deffo wont see a decrease here and its worth a note that its much more secure esp in metro browser (but then you lose plugin support but will ask if you want to flip to desktop so you don't lose anything really as it will just flip when you ask it to).