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Played with Galaxy S with Froyo and....

I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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froyo update = when major development starts
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not only is that right about development, but any froyo that you have played with that is out right now isnt final. supposedly samsung pulled it to make major optimizations and put their phones up to par with all the other froyo phones. we will not actually know how it runs on the fascinate to we get a build that is specific to the fascinate. Im still holding out a little hope, however ive never seen any lockscreen lag to begin with so dont know what thats all about.and once i put adw or LP as my launcher i really dont see any lag. it sticks for a second every once in a while but i never see the jitteryness that i had on my droid x, that she now has with froyo that is not one bit faster than my fascinate. i dont know about everyone else but im ready for that nice big LTE LG phone that we all saw on engadget and every other news site. that would be nice

If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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Daswolven said:
If you don't know what Froyo adds, you don't know what you're playing with.
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That is not what the op said.
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I know I've heard this stated wrong a couple places. A major release is 1.x to 2.x and a minor release is x.1 to x.2 so the froyo update is a minor release. Most of the features are under the hood improvements. I've seen froyo on the evo and most of my friends didn'tnotice a difference.
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adrynalyne said:
That is not what the op said.
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Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Sherwood1 said:
I just played with a Galaxy with 2.2 Froyo. And I can honestly say I see absolutely no performance upgrade. Yes flash is there and a few added features we all no about in froyo. But nothing noticeable! There was still lag on the lock screen and animations. Market was better, browser seemed the same when I tested speed against my fascinate. Except flash.
Was I getting excited for nothing? Any
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Four words. Just In Time Compiler.

Daswolven said:
Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
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Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things. Coming from Froyo on two different phones....a lot of these performance increases are situational, and not translating into overall performance increases.
Plus how can you say the op is wrong about galaxy s froyo if he had tried it and you have not? Samsung has a track record for screwing **** up.
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adrynalyne said:
Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things.
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Well, okay. Since you said please. Lol.
There's a notable performance difference is my point. Having played with quite a few 2.1 and 2.2 roms on my Nexus, it is night and day. Heavy apps and games load quicker and run smoother. Hard multitasking doesn't cause any drag. The browser is twice as fast running side by sides.
Ill speak more plainly then, so perhaps you can catch on to my point.
My mother in law plays farmville and checks email. If I upgrade her 1.8 ghz P4 with a gig of ram to a quad core 2.6 ghz and 6gb gaming memory, she really isn't going to see much of a performance difference in farmville and hotmail.
However, when I run photoshop, play with video editing, or crank up Fallout3, it will be very evident.
JIT is not a placebo. Nor is the V8 browser, or the kernel based memory management improvements that 2.2 brings.
So again, if you do not see the performance enhancements, then you do not know what you are looking for.
This is a statement, not an opinion.
As for samsung screwing it up, it is possible, though I won't care a whit as soon as I can get into either a clean AOSP froyo rom, or a CM port.
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I've used a Nexus One before and after Froyo. We use the phone as a "computer" for research purposes. The performance upgrade may not be readily apparent to the average user but JIT really boosts performance for computations. Froyo also adds some API's that developers can use to boost performance.

From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE

Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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I rest my case.
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Sherwood1 said:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.
Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
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Well not that it matters but my phone on 2.1/voodoo/OC with xScope loads "some" web pages (as in all 3 I tried) faster than the ipad I played with.

Daswolven you rest your case.... what was that?
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Your last post illustrates very clearly that you don't understand what you are trying to elaborate on.
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I rest my case.
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You rest your case of the iPhone loading some webpages faster than Nexus on 2.2?

You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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My point was 2.2 doesn't offer much improvement in real world use atleast on galaxy s.... that's my point
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Sherwood1 said:
You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!
You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
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Awesome.
Okay, I am wide open. Please explain technically, or point to a source that explains how the snapdragon works better than the hummingbird with a virtual engine. JIT impacts the Dalvik VM, so you have lost me here. This is a sincere question.
I'm not a developer, nor an engineer, so perhaps you can enlighten me and others on this. Clarify this with verifiable source pls.
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Jit for 2.1?

It seems that 2.1 is much faster and much more stable. What are the chances of getting a stable jit for 2.1? In my opinion this would be better than any 2.2 that's out right now. I know when I flash from baked snack 1.6 to any 2.2 beta rom it is a huge downgrade.
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I think the chances are very slim, since we are on the cusp of froyo.
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I suspect that you didn't get the full 2.2 experience as 2.2 is definetely an upgrade.
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Yea, well this is samsung and sprint... so probably feb. Just seems that with jit added to 2.1 would make a much better rom.
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Yes I have experienced 2.2, its ok but nowhere near baked snack 1.6 w/ phoenix kernel set to interactive
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sleepy8594 said:
Yes I have experienced 2.2, its ok but nowhere near baked snack 1.6 w/ phoenix kernel set to interactive
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several things about this statement, the only 2.2 experience u have had is from unfinished beta works, so its not the "real" 2.2 experience, second, i dont see any custom kernels for our froyo yet, would probably be since there hasn't been a source release? so of course once the official build comes out there will be rooted/oc'd/custom kernels shortly after that perform much better than stock

Zeinzu said:
several things about this statement, the only 2.2 experience u have had is from unfinished beta works, so its not the "real" 2.2 experience, second, i dont see any custom kernels for our froyo yet, would probably be since there hasn't been a source release? so of course once the official build comes out there will be rooted/oc'd/custom kernels shortly after that perform much better than stock
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Very true... I agree. The true froyo and custom kernels should be smokin.
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I thought Noobnl put out a jit version of 2.1,Ill find it...

ecooce said:
I thought Noobnl put out a jit version of 2.1,Ill find it...
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Yea, he did but it is very unstable... I was just hoping one of our awesome developers could capitalize on it.
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Jit is designed for 2.2 I believe. And it's pointless to even bother trying to get it to work since we'll have froyo soon. Once official froyo is out and the kernel source is released, we'll have things that leave baked snack 1.6 in the dust. Just be patient, it'll be here soon
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JBakey said:
Jit is designed for 2.2 I believe. And it's pointless to even bother trying to get it to work since we'll have froyo soon. Once official froyo is out and the kernel source is released, we'll have things that leave baked snack 1.6 in the dust. Just be patient, it'll be here soon
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I hear ya.. I am just tired of samsung support and im thinking of trading for the evo. The evo will be getting gingerbread anyday now according to a sprint rep. Not sure how reputable that is but he swears on it! And the evo is a rom junkies dream! Lol but damn, epic has so much potential.. never get another samsung though...
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First off gingerbread isn't completely finished yet, second gingerbread hasn't even been released to manufacturers, and it hasn't even shown fully so the rep who told you that is full of hit
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Yea that sprint rep was full of it or doesn't know his shizz, as is true for most sprint reps
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Gingerbread Source OUT for i9000

http://opensource.samsung.com/
Special Thanks to Samsung. =D

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http://opensource.samsung.com/
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wow they are moving fast with that, i like. Go samsung

So this could help with a port for our phones... Right?
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itsjusttim said:
So this could help with a port for our phones... Right?
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Yes, it will help in development with CM7 and MIUI and the Gingerbread Rom by Whitehawkx.

yessssss!
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OMG YESSS!! GO samsung, wow, this basically just ported GB to us

Edit: dreams shattered..

looks like Samsung is making good on their promise... Has HTC even released a Gingerbread source for any of their devices yet?

reuthermonkey said:
looks like Samsung is making good on their promise... Has HTC even released a Gingerbread source for any of their devices yet?
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samsung is the first one.
I'm really excited for this one. I hople it helps even a little bit to CM7.
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I'm guessing these won't help with GPS on 2.3 roms? Only way is for a 2.3 leak for the Vibrant?

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I'm guessing these won't help with GPS on 2.3 roms? Only way is for a 2.3 leak for the Vibrant?
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You are right, but maybe we will get other fixes like battery and slow camera.
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hitman818 said:
You are right, but maybe we will get other fixes like battery and slow camera.
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Ay, hopefully Samsung will learn from the 2.2 American backlash and does things correctly this time around.

Geez that is quick. What happened to the usual 60 days. Good on sammy!

Awesome
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Wouldn't it be possible with our 2.2 source and the 2.3 source that the 2.3 source could be modified, using the 2.2 source, to make the GPS work?

Don't get too excited. While this is good, it would still take a lot of work for this to benefit the vibrant.

kangxi said:
Wouldn't it be possible with our 2.2 source and the 2.3 source that the 2.3 source could be modified, using the 2.2 source, to make the GPS work?
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The thing is, they didn't release GPS source. Only kernel.
Also, we don't have GPS source for our phones either. Only the pre-compiled binary.
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Gotcha.
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geoffcorey said:
The thing is, they didn't release GPS source. Only kernel.
Also, we don't have GPS source for our phones either. Only the pre-compiled binary.
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I thought that was illegal. Surely the GPS hardware uses a kernel driver, which must link with the GPL2 licensed Linux kernel. The GPL states that the source for GPS driver must be also released, if it is shipped together.
NVidia/ATI got around this by having users break the law for them - ie: you have to compile an open source shim layer that glues their precompiled binary packages onto the kernel. However, this is not the case with phones. Samsung is shipping the product, so they are responsible for complying with the GPL.

So when can we expect miui and cm7 to get updated?
Would love better battery on miui.

Why We're Getting No Gingerbread For a While..

Ok guys I think I have figured out why the Samsung Vibrant has been getting no support in terms of updates from anyone including samfirmware.com! If you think about it all other Galaxy S phones and the Galaxy S 4G (Or Vibrant 4G) has had lots of leaks and even ETA's for updates except our Vibrant. Why? Simple. T-Mobile is doing what they tried to do for Froyo! There going to bring updates and bugfixes to the Vibrant 4G first alongside the other Galaxy S devices and use it as another justification to purchase that phone, then a couple months later or perhaps not at all the OG Vibrant might get some bug fixes and a Gingerbread update!
Please reply what you guys think on either this post or your theory on why the last leak we got was KB5 back in Feburary.

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Ok guys I think I have figured out why the Samsung Vibrant has been getting no support in terms of updates from anyone including samfirmware.com! If you think about it all other Galaxy S phones and the Galaxy S 4G (Or Vibrant 4G) has had lots of leaks and even ETA's for updates except our Vibrant. Why? Simple. T-Mobile is doing what they tried to do for Froyo! There going to bring updates and bugfixes to the Vibrant 4G first alongside the other Galaxy S devices and use it as another justification to purchase that phone, then a couple months later or perhaps not at all the OG Vibrant might get some bug fixes and a Gingerbread update!
Please reply what you guys think on either this post or your theory on why the last leak we got was KB5 back in Feburary.
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I don't know but i read something today that said google stepped in and now is sending updates to all phones on ATT which means folks who had older phones will get upgraded as well.. here is the article - http://socialbarrel.com/google-delivers-android-2-3-gingerbread-to-att-devices/11881/
I hope they do the same for T-mobile and help customers like us with samsung (vibrant and behold ) users alike..

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I hope they do the same for T-mobile and help customers like us with samsung (vibrant and behold ) users alike..
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I'll keep my fingers crossed.
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im gonna buttrape tmobile

Bleh.... I'll just buy my answer to this problem: Hello, nexus prime!

I don't care much 4 dah update I just feel bad 4 dah average Joe cuz I remember how bad an laggy 2.1 was but some people have had better experiences with it
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Why isn't there "No more Samsung/ T-mobile" this time for the gingerbread?

i wish one of the dev can port the vibrant 4g 2.3 or 2.4 Rom to the vibrant i have been using the vibrant 4g with 2.3 and it is not bad at all it work real good better than most of the 2.3 or 2.4 Rom out there.

Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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accordex said:
Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
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geoffcorey said:
Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
OK.. same with 2.1 to 2.2 ...could you really tell? No...
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accordex said:
Could someone explain to me in plain English the big deal with 2.3 /2.4? I get 2.1 to 2.2 gave us flash... what's the big deal with the new ver?
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Besides the crt animation, an average user wouldn't notice the difference. I like the multitasking of gingerbread.
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-your comment about 2.1 to 2.2-
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No, 2.1 to 2.2 optimized snapdragon cpus. Hummingbird got hardly any jump. Gb fixed that.
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+1 to hummingbird optimization.
TW4/4.5 also runs smoother on GB than Froyo (4/4.5 is a HUGE plus over the stock TW)
Some apps also required 2.3 (such as Netflix before they updated it to allow froyo)
CRT
probably more than I can't think off my head right now
edit: heres a pretty good comprehensive list and description
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
we will reap the full benefits once we get an official 2.3 release (accompanied with source) so our talented devs optimize 2.3 for us.

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No, 2.1 to 2.2 optimized snapdragon cpus. Hummingbird got hardly any jump. Gb fixed that.
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Did it? I've seen no great evidence of this on the international S's official GB

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Better optimization for hummingbird CPU.
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Only on aosp based 2.3 roms
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I was tired of my vibrants jumpy inconsistent gps so got myself a Galaxy S 4G and installed the latest KG4 GB. The stock GB runs smoother than Cynogenmod for vibrant.
GB may be a minor upgrade but its a major upgrade for us due to hummingbird optimizations. Also the battery life is MUCH better on GB.

TouchWiz speed only matters for those who choose to use it
I use GO Launcher EX and love it.
Free, fast, beautiful, and more features than TW.

I was hoping tmobile was going the way of att with gb updates...in the mean time, new phone!. Haven't decided which yet though
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masterotaku said:
Did it? I've seen no great evidence of this on the international S's official GB
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As much as I hate to reference quadrants, GB boosted the CPU scores portion of the test significantly for the SGS

ICS System Dump / ICS Said to be 'possible' on 2.3 Capable Devices

Snagged from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309598
That last bit about being able to work on 2.3 devices snagged from this other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309724
I think we're all aware of this as well, but for those that don't read many threads, GB Source for our Epics have been released.
Also, after the unveil of the Samsung Nexus Prime, The 4.0 SDK is also available.
Here is the Roboto Font from ICS.
(Edit: Roboto is available on Custom Font Switcher App)
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Snagged from this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309598
That last bit about being able to work on 2.3 devices snagged from this other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309724
I think we're all aware of this as well, but for those that don't read many threads, GB Source for our Epics have been released.
Also, after the unveil of the Samsung Nexus Prime, The 4.0 SDK is also available.
Here is the Roboto Font from ICS.
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I've had the font for a little bit now it's pretty nice, but all the apps are odexed and there isn't a means to deodex them yet, so we have to wait and see I believe.

Yeah, I saw that you posted, I installed soon after, very easy on the eyes. I'm excited for ICS even though we just got GB source. I'm thinking maybe Google's ICS framework is what's needed for that sexy contacts or as they say, "people app", but I want that on my epic.

Yeah, I'm trying to take images from the ICS keyboard and move them to the Gingerbread keyboard. I replaced all the files....and yet, it still shows Gingerbread images. D:
But the font makes it more enjoyable.

Thanks Shiny, now that GB source just hit, you would think all the Debbie Downers would shut the hell up but now I am already seeing threads as to when will we get ICS. And this adds fuel to their fire....LOL.

kennyglass123 said:
Thanks Shiny, now that GB source just hit, you would think all the Debbie Downers would shut the hell up but now I am already seeing threads as to when will we get ICS. And this adds fuel to their fire....LOL.
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LOL some ppl will just never be satisfied
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While it would be great, I highly doubt the Epic will ever see official ICS

magoo5289 said:
While it would be great, I highly doubt the Epic will ever see official ICS
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But will probably get a ported version...just as good, sometimes better.
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But will probably get a ported version...just as good, sometimes better.
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Yep. Just the fact that ics doesn't require a newer kernel is good. (I think)
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Yep. Just the fact that ics doesn't require a newer kernel is good. (I think)
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Don't know if that is what they meant by it should be capable on 2.3 devices. More that the hardware will be able to handle ICS if it could handle Gingerbread. This would not be the first time though that a phone runs a newer version of android with a modified older kernal.