Audio mixing - Epic 4G General

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I couldn't figure out the right search terms to find it, so I'm posting a new thread.
No doubt many (if not all) of us have noticed that the audio subsytem is (conceptually) not multi-task -- i.e. it seems only able to play one sound channel at a time. There's no multichannel mixing. So, when listening to music, watching a video, etc., and an email, message, etc. come in, or anything else that triggers a sound notification, the media audio mutes while the notification plays, then the media audio unmutes.
This is highly annoying, and frankly very amateurish of Google. It's not like the functionality in question here is difficult and/or complex, and there's plenty of public domain code to make it work. Just laziness it seems to me.
Anyway, anybody know of a mod/fix, or that this will be fixed in Froyo? It's really bugging me.
I'm on the Syndicate ROM. Could be the ROM, but I seem to remember this problem when I was running stock too.

dwallersv said:
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I couldn't figure out the right search terms to find it, so I'm posting a new thread.
No doubt many (if not all) of us have noticed that the audio subsytem is (conceptually) not multi-task -- i.e. it seems only able to play one sound channel at a time. There's no multichannel mixing. So, when listening to music, watching a video, etc., and an email, message, etc. come in, or anything else that triggers a sound notification, the media audio mutes while the notification plays, then the media audio unmutes.
This is highly annoying, and frankly very amateurish of Google. It's not like the functionality in question here is difficult and/or complex, and there's plenty of public domain code to make it work. Just laziness it seems to me.
Anyway, anybody know of a mod/fix, or that this will be fixed in Froyo? It's really bugging me.
I'm on the Syndicate ROM. Could be the ROM, but I seem to remember this problem when I was running stock too.
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This may be a Honeycomb 3.0 (after Gingerbread 2.3) feature because I could see tablets needing to play more than one sound source at a time. And while we may eventually get a Gingerbread port. I doubt we will see Honeycomb.

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it seems pocket player 4.1 is the only palyer that has no stuttering

Hey guys
I experienced audio stuttering with every player, but when I installed pocket player 4.1 all the stuttering disapeared.
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I would have to agree with you on that one. Although I'm having issues with adding my own podcasts from valid addresses not updating at all. And, I don't know how to delete the podcast entry and start over. Perplexing indeed!
got core player and its terrible for it. Real let down, bougth this phone for one of the big plusses of being able to plug head phones in. Is rediculas tbh.
8igdave said:
got core player and its terrible for it. Real let down, bougth this phone for one of the big plusses of being able to plug head phones in. Is rediculas tbh.
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Might be because the built in equaliser is enabled. If I disable it and use something like Audio Booster instead Core Player is better than perfect.
custardo01 said:
Might be because the built in equaliser is enabled. If I disable it and use something like Audio Booster instead Core Player is better than perfect.
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Its not enabled it really screws up the sound i find. are you runing version 1.3? im on 1.2
8igdave said:
Its not enabled it really screws up the sound i find. are you runing version 1.3? im on 1.2
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I have the latest 1.3.2 but have also found success with earlier versions. What about preferences/audio/audio output=Wave Output or preferences/buffering/Preload for audio =64kb. Problem is there are so many options. I am sure it must be something in the preferences not set right. I don't use scan library at startt up option but prefer to select files direct from storage card or from a playlist file. My experience with WMP and HTC Audio manager is that library sorting always causes problems like pauses and skipping. Hope this may be of some help anyway.
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I have the latest 1.3.2 but have also found success with earlier versions. What about preferences/audio/audio output=Wave Output or preferences/buffering/Preload for audio =64kb. Problem is there are so many options. I am sure it must be something in the preferences not set right. I don't use scan library at startt up option but prefer to select files direct from storage card or from a playlist file. My experience with WMP and HTC Audio manager is that library sorting always causes problems like pauses and skipping. Hope this may be of some help anyway.
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I already have those options set thanks though, yaeh i suspect it hs something to do with library scan as when im looking through my songs, by scrolling thro them it causes music to skip like made. So i suspect there is a connection there.
Sadly it appears i am not alone at all:
Hi, this is a known issue with the hand set not coreplayer. See XDA Dev for details. This has not yet been fully solved but there are some improvments that can be made updating your ROM, drivers and Coreplayer to latest version.
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From a post i did on core palyers forums to try get some answers:
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2614
Someone had a fix for it somewehre i saw a logn tiemn ago, i dont know where it was. Might have been a differnt rom.
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Im going to see if douberling the buffer size to 128kb makes any difference.
increasign the buffer size does appear to have made some difference. Not sure its completely gone tho. I increased it further to 256kb, that smoothed it out a bit more. I may try 512kb
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increasign the buffer size does appear to have made some difference. Not sure its completely gone tho. I increased it further to 256kb, that smoothed it out a bit more. I may try 512kb
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Sounds good. Will be interested to hear how that goes. I found it really bad at first and it did take a while to settle down. Pretty sure it helped putting the equaliser off. Now it is brilliant and would not be without it. Would using Audio Booster help at all? Not sure why it would help but just another thing I use without problems.

Android Default Music App - Anyone Else See These Annoyances?

Now I am easy to please in terms of something "just working" enough to do what its intent is. But 2 things I've noticed about the default music app that I want to see if anyone else has noticed.
1) Whenever you are playing a song and have the window up, if you hit back to go to the playlist again, it will do the "window wipe transition" as if it is going back, but it stays on the same screen. It takes a second tap to actually go back. and
2) When you go to scroll through a playlist, if you don't move your finger instantly, I mean stall for even a second, you will have chosen a song, and are moving the order of that song in the playlist.
Has anyone else encountered this and/or know of a way of fixing it?
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Now I am easy to please in terms of something "just working" enough to do what its intent is. But 2 things I've noticed about the default music app that I want to see if anyone else has noticed.
1) Whenever you are playing a song and have the window up, if you hit back to go to the playlist again, it will do the "window wipe transition" as if it is going back, but it stays on the same screen. It takes a second tap to actually go back. and
2) When you go to scroll through a playlist, if you don't move your finger instantly, I mean stall for even a second, you will have chosen a song, and are moving the order of that song in the playlist.
Has anyone else encountered this and/or know of a way of fixing it?
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I don't think I've noticed these, but I'm pretty damn sure that google is conjuring up some kind of a new, reworked music app. They have been ignoring it in the past, and collecting user's feedback.
If I were to guesstimate, we'll have a new music app in 3.0 or so.
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I don't think I've noticed these, but I'm pretty damn sure that google is conjuring up some kind of a new, reworked music app. They have been ignoring it in the past, and collecting user's feedback.
If I were to guesstimate, we'll have a new music app in 3.0 or so.
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Man, I sure hope so. The N1 is definitely awesome, but all the other Androids get things written specific to them whereas we are "generic." Don't get me wrong, I love everything about this phone, I just hope having the Google Experience phone lives up to that, as it should be super awesome to begin with, not just barebones. Fingers crossed for 2.2.
Not many people really like (or use) the default music app, therefore hackers or app editors (and bug fixers, lol) have barely touched it. I rarely even hear it referred to theses days, and honestly I suggest downloading an alternative. I love music, and could not go on without it.. I had to download a better replacement quickly. Though, the Sense music app is still good, the app I use is still what I favor more. I've never even heard anyone make notice of any bugs it had.. (the default app)
Eclair~ said:
Not many people really like (or use) the default music app, therefore hackers or app editors (and bug fixers, lol) have barely touched it. I rarely even hear it referred to theses days, and honestly I suggest downloading an alternative. I love music, and could not go on without it.. I had to download a better replacement quickly. Though, the Sense music app is still good, the app I use is still what I favor more. I've never even heard anyone make notice of any bugs it had.. (the default app)
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What music app do you use? I tried TuneWiki at one point, but I had trouble with my BT headset, and found that to be the problem so I uninstalled it.
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What music app do you use? I tried TuneWiki at one point, but I had trouble with my BT headset, and found that to be the problem so I uninstalled it.
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I hear btunes is really nice (just stating a random alternative) very iPhone like, but I use RockOn (called 3 in the market, but you have to search RockOn) its very simple and barely has many options.. I just like it for some reason. People seem to love it also.
I'd personally recommend museek - topographical album mapping by genre, gestures, smart shuffle mode that adjusts what songs get played based on what you skip and what you listen to, and resumes music playback when you plug your headphones back in
Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
You can try MortPlayer music too
+! to OP about pressing back goes to the same screen twice sometimes... The thing that really annoys me is that there is no easy way to play music you want by folder, which is what I do on desktop computer.. E.g. I have a Kpop, rnb, rock, ost, electronic, folder
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Now I am easy to please in terms of something "just working" enough to do what its intent is. But 2 things I've noticed about the default music app that I want to see if anyone else has noticed.
1) Whenever you are playing a song and have the window up, if you hit back to go to the playlist again, it will do the "window wipe transition" as if it is going back, but it stays on the same screen. It takes a second tap to actually go back. and
2) When you go to scroll through a playlist, if you don't move your finger instantly, I mean stall for even a second, you will have chosen a song, and are moving the order of that song in the playlist.
Has anyone else encountered this and/or know of a way of fixing it?
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the first problem isnt a problem it will wipe bac to the same screen as many times as you pulled down the window and touched the song now playing panel...everythime u pull the window over is like layering the same screen...and the second one is only if you touch the "lines" at the left of the songs its givin u an option to reorganize your playlist...[as far as i know]
Search for 3 music player.
Hey, thanks guys for the helpful thoughts! I got btunes and I gotta say, its pretty nice. The one thing I actually "like" about Apple being the music management (I'll overlook how bloated iTunes has become). The mimicry of the player is nice and easy to use. Worth $1.50.

Plethora of HD2 Music player woes

Hi guys...
Regretfully I am close to giving up with the HD2 music player. Beaten! Long delays, failure to find any of my mp3s even after retagging... the list of bugs and annoyances is nearly endless, such promise in a phone, such incompetence in the software testing. My last effort was a rushed and irritated email to HTC. Pointless I know but its all I've got, I am now forced to use.... WMP
HD2 Music Player Issues.
I am sure you are sick of these but you are gonna have to read another, please route these to some dev or something, I have already wasted too many hours with this dreadfully realised piece of music software.
I am baffled by HTC. The music player on the HD2 is simply not tested sufficiently. I work in testing so perhaps I am slightly more critical but the list of issues is staggering.
HTC are seriously shooting themselves in the foot, and when I am (frequently) am asked whether I recommend the phone I have to say no, because of the MUSIC PLAYER.
1. Firstly I reported the most incredible 'Genre & brackets bug' on the HTC forums last year and received NO response from HTC. A quick recap, if an mp3 ID3 tag has a ( or a ) in the genre field the music updater stalls FOREVER, yes regardless of tag format etc, its just coded badly. plain and simple, it has 'coded in china and tested in india' written all over it! The updating icon continues forever using up your battery and not updating the rest of the disk. My question to the technical team here is, well why not just skip the file you cant read after some specific timeout, that is 2 extra lines of code and an hugely (but not satisfactory) better user experience.
2. If you have a largish (more than 20) items in a playlist there is a considerable and extremely irritating delay EVERYTIME you go to the now playing screen. Why. Why. Why, who tested this app, who signed it off, how in the hell is it acceptable to have to wait 30seconds to open the music app if you have 400 songs in a playlist, answer dont use large playlists, ok but that leads onto the NEXT huge flaw..
3. When you return to a list (any list), you are always back at the start.. so you just clicked on ZZ Top and you then think oh actually I want to listen to Willie nelson, you are right back at A in the artist list, and it then takes 15 seconds of scrolling to get back to W, why is there no ABCDEG.. index like EVERY OTHER MP3 player.
If it were not for the other dreadful bugs one would have to conclude HTC intentionally crippled this device, what other explanation could there be? Were HTC paid off by Apple?
4. Here is a new one for me, just today I added 500 new Mp3s, to my 16gb memory card, now totaling 1300. Opening the music player sent the CPU to 95% (all manilla) for the best part of 15mins during which time nothing really could be used on the device. When it finally dropped a bit I went in to music player, there are ZERO artists, ZERO albums, ZERO genres but almost all the tracks listed in 'All Songs'. I then allowed the animation to continue for 30 more mins with no change, nothing added. By the way I have rewritten all the id3 tags to various different formats with no affect. I have a feeling that it is stalling on the 1st mp3, what is it stalling on I do not know, is there a log file with errors in it? Can't find one. Again terrible coding, using too much processor, not handling errors, falling over if the format is not exactly as expected. Bad all round.
This is completely unacceptable for a $500 phone.
Just spend a day with and IPod/IPhone and a HD2, that's all your technical team need to do to see what sort of job they have done.
There are loads more but I cannot be bothered now.
It seems HTC have responded to one bug that luckily did not affect me (the stuttering), please can you forward this to the most senior person you know, it really is a joke and whoever does your software testing needs a long vacation and you need to stop outsourcing.
Disgruntled user.
Tom Deloford
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Sound Delay Problem

Hello Fellow G3 Users!
First of all, I'd like to say a big Thanks to all the developers who helped making this phone much more powerful throughout the months. I've been using Kyrillos' ROM since v3.0 and I'm very happy with it, but I still got one not so little problem.
Whenever I play videos, I always experience some delay in the sound playback (about 0,5 sec late to the video). I've tried many video players (by default I use mVideo), but it never got fixed. It also happens with Youtube videos, but more importantly it appears in games too! So far I ignored it, but nowadays I travel much more and I want to watch videos, so the delay became very annoying.
I experimented with many things and found out the followings:
-it's not the SD card's problem as it's class 10 (cannot be any faster), tried many settings with the SD speed fix without any success and like I said, it's the same with Youtube which is internal.
-it's not the ROM; tried with multiple stock ROMs and Custom ones too
-it's not the kernel; tried stock, and different fugumod and g3mod versions
-played around the settings in Voodoo sound but same result
-it's not the video player, because it happens in games too.
So my guess is, that it's either hardware problem with my own phone or simply the general sound driver/decoder is faulty (probably sound buffer, but I'm no expert in this)
I didn't find any discussion on these subject (except this old thread), so I'm corious if this happens to your phones too. You should notice this much delay in videos. If you know if there's a solution for this, please let me know as it's quite a shame now that my smartphone fails to deliver such a basic feature as watching videos...
Thanks in advance!
FlemX
Yeah, well I do to expierence delays sometimes but not always.
Sound is perfect on every ROM I've used. I mainly used Kyrillos' v7.0 which was perfect when it came to sound playback and now I'm using stock XXJPU which is fine since I've played a few videos on it. Not much but I'll try later (my bros playing games on it ) and see if there's any problems.
Ok, I should explain a bit more.
It's not always the same delay, it seems that in the video player (mVideo) it's the shortest, bit still noticable (~0,3 sec), and it may vary if I seek in the video. It's not unwatchable, just annoying (yeah, I'm sensitive to this )
What I really want to know that what driver/decoder setting may cause the delay in sound and if there's a way I can change it. I'm not afraid to modify system files if it's needed.
Can a developer or anyone familiar with this here help me please?
i sometimes have the same thing using kyorarom 0.4.0b2, but also on other roms i tried. i always thought it was network related.
Same problem here. I use MX video player coz I have smallest lag in it.
And lagging is changing, sometime is just 0,1 sometime 0,3 sec but never without it.
I had playback without lag on stock Froyo video player but even than not always.
Now I'm on Kyrillos 8.1
Tried everything, programs, codecs, overclock, tried class 2,4,10 sdcard, no luck.
Please find some solution.
EDIT: Come on, does only few of us here have this problem?; I can't believe that, coz I had this problem from day 1, so it couldn't be that I messed something up coz I got phone that way from the shop!
Can anyone help, please?
It seems more of us have this problem after all.
Maybe people don't look movies on g3 so they do not bother with this problem.
Same "problem" here. I've tried recoding various video clips - different formats, bit-rates etc - but there's always that slight lack of synch. It's most obvious with plosive sounds - a brief clip from Iron Man 2 where Stark bangs his fists onto a desktop has a very noticable delay between the action and the sound.
I'm on
PDA: I5800XXJPU
PHONE: I5800XXJP4
CSC: I5800XXKPO
...but I tried with Kyrillo's O/C and there was no difference. Tried with basic video app and a couple of third party players - exactly the same "delay".
I can't see it making any difference but I'll be getting a new, faster SDHC card this week - if that makes any difference, I'll let you know.
I suspect it's a codec problem as the amount of delay varies - increasing in "busy" scenes. There are a few more things to try such as encoding with variable bit-rates. If I do find an optimum encoding, I'll post back. Meanwhile, perhaps people could post full details of the videos they've tried - video format and resolution, bit-rates for vid and audio etc - or better still, suggest a specific clip (provide a link for download) to make sure we are all talking about the same problem and cause and reducing the possible variables.
Pete
(PS - my first post and just want to pass on my respects to the regulars here. I've only been reading for the last week or so and it's a steep learning curve for an Android "noob" but I'm already impressed by the depth of knowledge here.)
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Same "problem" here. I've tried recoding various video clips - different formats, bit-rates etc - but there's always that slight lack of synch. It's most obvious with plosive sounds - a brief clip from Iron Man 2 where Stark bangs his fists onto a desktop has a very noticable delay between the action and the sound.
I'm on
PDA: I5800XXJPU
PHONE: I5800XXJP4
CSC: I5800XXKPO
...but I tried with Kyrillo's O/C and there was no difference. Tried with basic video app and a couple of third party players - exactly the same "delay".
I can't see it making any difference but I'll be getting a new, faster SDHC card this week - if that makes any difference, I'll let you know.
I suspect it's a codec problem as the amount of delay varies - increasing in "busy" scenes. There are a few more things to try such as encoding with variable bit-rates. If I do find an optimum encoding, I'll post back. Meanwhile, perhaps people could post full details of the videos they've tried - video format and resolution, bit-rates for vid and audio etc - or better still, suggest a specific clip (provide a link for download) to make sure we are all talking about the same problem and cause and reducing the possible variables.
Pete
(PS - my first post and just want to pass on my respects to the regulars here. I've only been reading for the last week or so and it's a steep learning curve for an Android "noob" but I'm already impressed by the depth of knowledge here.)
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Yes, give us a feedback after using new sdhc card, but be careful with choosing coz I bought class 10 and speeds on pc are 17/20 and on G3 are only 4/4. Maybe class 6 from quality manufacturer would be better choice.
I also notice this about busy scenes.
I would like to avoid encoding but if that is the only solution would use it but not on a daily base.
Awaiting your replay as everyone else here.
kyrillos might have tried to fix this..
Hey guys i noticed this problem right on day 1 when i got the phone and this was a huge disappointment..i mean how can a mid-budget android phone have this sort of a problem(even the chepest nokia multimedia phone doesnt have this bug)
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I think kyrillos might have tried to fix this in his Rom..here is the change log:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957123
Kyrillos' rom v5.1 (Based on XXJPM) [19/05/11]
Completely reworked/remade the whole rom.
Fixed bug with sync
Fugumod 2.4 beta2 standard kernel.
Keyboard bug fixed
Voodoo Sound v8
Added Voodoo Control [1.0.6.1]
Removed Battery Calibration [Install from market]
1% battery mod
Updated CWM Recovery [v0.30, partition sdcard to ext4 directly from recovery]
data=ext4, cache/system=ext2
Updated Honeycomb Icons
Fixed video player lags
v5.1 is non oc by default so if you want overclock flash fugumod v2.4 alpha5
I think he might be referring to the same bug by "video player lags"...well i dont have the time to try out the rom and see if its fixed(exams!!)...so can anyone try this and let us know how it works please??
If this doesnt work, i think we should let our devs know about this ASAP
You gave change log from v5.1; I didn't tried that one but I tried 8.0-9.0
And if he fixed it in earlier version it is probably also included in later versions.
But I can confirm that in 8-9 the problem still exist, so once again dead end.
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I think he might be referring to the same bug by "video player lags"...well i dont have the time to try out the rom and see if its fixed(exams!!)...so can anyone try this and let us know how it works please??
If this doesnt work, i think we should let our devs know about this ASAP
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I used Kyrillos v5.1 and yes, I also thought that it meant the sound problem, but found out it refers to the occasional lagging of the video/image, not the sound. And no, the delay problem was there in it, and exists still, like JanerNevis said. I haven't updated to v9.0 yet and probably won't till friday evening as I have a busy week.
You may try another rom for egsample Vivek's or DutchMods.
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You may try another rom for egsample Vivek's or DutchMods.
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Do you have information that this problem is fixed in that ROMs?
Or did you tried them and saw by yourself?
I dont have this problem mayb its ur hardware?
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I dont have this problem mayb its ur hardware?
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Are you kesc? To whom are you replaying?
Yes. maybe it's a hardware problem, but then why doesn't all the users experiencing the same?
is the problem still with a newer version of ROM or another more stable ROM.
do you use voodoo?
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is the problem still with a newer version of ROM or another more stable ROM.
do you use voodoo?
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In my case the problem was on stock Eclair and Froyo and on Kyrillos 8-9, Kyorarom 0.3-04
Yes I use voodoo.
Had a dig around and perceived wisdom says it's a hardware problem. Experience says that whenever you see a "definitive" answer on any IT related topic - take it with a pinch of salt. It's in the nature of the internet that one "I know..." post or bog can easily become gospel and it doesn't take long before everyone "knows" it's true - but they never actually check or verify. In truth, they're all quoting something that someone else wrote.
Anyway - spent a couple of hours mucking about with a few different video converters and there does seem to be a partial solution. Obviously, re-encoding is not ideal but it may help for people transferring their own films and DVDs etc.
The basics - encode the video as MP4 - the resolution doesn't appear to matter (as long as it's not too large - which would be a waste anyway on the i5800's screen). I've tried from 15 to 30 fps and it made no difference - 24 or 25 gives a perfectly smooth picture. The main thing is to encode the audio as mp3 - not AAC. In the standard video player app, set the screen to show the full vid at the correct aspect ratio (the small square gadget at the top-right of the screen should look like it has a diagonal line through it rather than a dot in the middle). I haven't tried any other video players with these settings yet - when I do, I'll see if the various "zoom" settings makes a difference.
Funny thing is, this works - but not every time even with the same video. Start the vid - if it is out of sync, rewind the vid by dragging the progress bar. Bizarrely, that seems to "fix" the problem - or at least reduce the "lag" to a minimal amount.
New SD card should be here tomorrow but I'm doubting it will do anything to help - I'd have thought that the system would have a buffer rather than literally trying to decode on the fly. I'm also not convinced that the relatively slow CPU is the problem - in practice, it should be plenty capable of handling this plus decoding audio is a doddle - if it was down to processor speeds, I'd expect the video to lurch as it tries to keep up with the audio rather than the soundtrack being delayed on an otherwise smoothly running video.
I don't know how this operating system works but if this was a PC or Amiga, I'd be looking at the relative prorities of the audio and video processes to see if the video was hogging the CPU. Maybe one of the techies here can advise on that.
Off topic but - my sim card went kapput today O2 are sending me a replacement so I should be fine in a couple of days. Annoying cos I fancied trying Kyrillo's ROM V9 but I don't want to do that until I know for sure that it's the sim rather than a problem with the phone.

honeycomb has too many bugs..waiting for ICS eagerly..

I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
Thanks for listening to my rant
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I see some people saying that they want ics on their phone way more and they are fine with honeycomb, and I just can't undersrand them.
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
With all these issues, which competing products with other OS don't have, do you still think honeycombs is fine? I certainly can't wait for ICS to be delivered to our Iconia.
EDIT: I forgot to mention about tge "more" part.
Ics is mostly update for unite between tablet and apps mostly for developing more apps for tablets and phones at the same time. If you are still stuck on honeycomb, we will be stuck with very few amount of apps that present for honeycomb right now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
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i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.
I don't have most of these issues myself and I'm running Kekinash's rather stock 3.2 ROM with the HoneyVillain 3.4 kernel. I'm not doing any over-clocking with the kernel either.
The only isssue i was having was the Music app problem, but resolved it by using the Music Player for Pad app, which is just night and day superior to the stock app. I would be using MPP whether I had a problem with the stock app or not.
Other than that, I'm still loving the A500 (with Honeycomb). Of course I'm interested in ICS, too, but I expect it to cause more problems than it will solve.
Can't say I've had any of these issues with mine (portrait doesn't seem as smooth, but I very very rarely use it in portrait mode anyway [only when an app forces me to] so can't really comment there..). Running latest lightspeed rom + thor's kernel, oc'd to ~1.4ghz.
Personally I'm loving honeycomb so far..
-Dave
Same here all works well.Op there is a chance you could have some rogue apps lurking in background on you
sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it
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Nope, not everyone: I ain't noticing such.
Anyway, I know that its confirmed that we are getting ICS, but just wanted to say my opinion on honeycomb, ics, and people who are fine with honeycomb on their iconia tab.
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No one really cares, so yeah... I too just replied because I'm bored and can't sleep.
ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..
jon-.- said:
i dont have any of these issues. im running taboony 2.2 with richards 3.7 kernel (oc'd 1.5) and i use opera and maxthon browser.
Im guessing youre stock. But dont get your hopes up ics wont necessarily fix your bugs. it may just bring new more annoying ones along.
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Opera and maxthon aren't as smooth when scrolling as stock or dolphin for pad. I tried them both. Opera is laggy especially when zooming in and out, and maxthos is just so annoying to use because of its choppiness when scrolling.
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ICS is basically Honeycomb for phones, not much more man..
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So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
sw6lee said:
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion.
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Dang. Perhaps a different rom, I dig my stock 3.2 rooted by ezterry. I do have a little lag, but I have no less than 9 widgets. If they're running maybe kill a widget or 3. Same for the live wallpapers. I'm certain that there are quite a few other things that you can do to improve performance.
I don't have an iAnything. Never will. And I have to say that you're right about the smoothness. Those suckers are pretty sweet. But I'll take my widgets, customization, live wallpapers, usb, hdmi, Flash, sdcard, and so on/so forth over that any day. And if I change my mind I'll remove those things that are slowing things down. I've tried it and the tab is like butter.
Sooo...
I wish you the very best on your (possible) upcoming iAdventure. Hate to see anyone go, and holler when you get back!
sw6lee said:
I am waiting for the ics eagerly so the following bugs will be gone and more:
Portrait lag (choppiness). Its not just the home screen, but the whole system is not smooth when in portrait orientation.
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Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
sw6lee said:
Keyboard typing lag in the web browser. I know everyones aware of it, and very annoyed by it. But you want to keep honeycomb?? Dolphin doesn't fix the issue btw, at least for my case.
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Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
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Music stop playibg when screen is off. I want to use the stock music player as its the original, and its easy to use also. And it looks good too. However, I just can't use it because of this issue. Why should I have to buy another music player app when there is already an app for that? I really hope this issue is gone in ics.
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Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
sw6lee said:
Horrible Lag when going back to the home screen after running heavy tasks. This is the most annoying problem for me with honeycomb, or maybe android itself (its been a while I had a froyo tabket, so I don't really remember).
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Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.
Not had any of these issues either with Stock 3.1, 3.2, Taboonay 2.2 or the latest Thor. Have had a little lag in the stock browser only in Facebook, but that's the page because it does it in every mobile browser except Opera.
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Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
/rant!
I found a solution to the OP's problems Here!
Guaranteed to fix his problems!
sw6lee said:
So you guys are saying that google will just keep the bugs as it is? I can't guarantee of course, but if google will do that, then I certainly have no faith in google anymore. Why would people buy an android device? What the hell. To root it and void warranty to use it properly or dig through the market to make the device finally usable where there are original apps wasted, or can't even get issues solved, like portrait lag, and just live with it?? Don't tell me to buy an ipad, because I already purchased this, and I don't want to sell it cheaper, and buy another device.
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An Android device is no different than any other electronic device or computer -- it's going to behave differently with different people. This is because of how each individual configures it, what apps they run, how they use it, even the environment (hot, cold, dusty, etc.) they use it in. No one here can say that you're not encountering the problems you say you are, but I can guarantee you that I won't be the last to tell you that I haven't encountered those problems.
I know you don't want to hear it, but if you want a turnkey system that minimizes the chance of encountering ANY problems, then you're going to have to go Apple. BUT keep in mind that you're going to have to accept some consolations with that decision, because Apple OS'es are very locked down so don't expect to be able to do much tweaking, personalizing, or customizing.
sw6lee said:
Anyway, someone mentioned music player for pad. I am using it also, but it has a lot of other bugs as well. The stock music player stops playing when screen is off. This app? It just stops suddenly while playing. Not often, but sometimes. And sometimes after I stop the music and later start it again, the sound doesnt come out, so I have to find my earphone, plug it it, and out again, to let the sound work. This is the apps problem. And its pretty glictchy when keep using. I don't want to buy Hive player, which is the only other alternate honeycomb music player, as far as I know, and Don't want to pay for apps (I just don't spend money on apps, and don't have too many apps either).
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Again, I don't have extensive problems with the stock Music app, but I have had ZERO problems with Music Player for Pad -- whether I'm running things from the widget or the full app. It's been flawless. Not disputing that you're encountering problems -- just saying that I am not and looking at the market rating for that app it doesn't appear that a large percentage of the app's users are encountering problems.
sw6lee said:
And I dont have that many apps that may cause the system to make my tablet lag after going to home scren after running heavy task. And I know its not just my problem. I have seen other people talking about it too.
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I'm sure, but what percentage? You have to understand, people aren't going to come to technical forums like this and others and post,
"Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm having a perfect experience with my Android tablet and Android in general! LOVE IT! Thanks, Google!"
People come here to post about problems they're having. Even if 30 people post to a thread having the same problems you are, that doesn't address the millions of other users who are apparently not having this issue.
sw6lee said:
If they still didn't fix these issues, google should just quit the android business. Yea I know, they won't quit, cause they are making tons of money out of it. But they can't even make it right. They dont have experience? Then they should recruit senior employees from apple or microsoft to make a better OS.
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Okay, first of all, the way to a better operating system is not through Apple and definitely not through Microsoft. Both of those companies have had their share of stinker OS'es in the past (and present). I know it's difficult to look beyond your own experiences and needs, but the reason why Android isn't going to "quit the business" is because they are extremely successful and they are extremely successful because the vast majority of their users are very happy with the OS. Android is currently the most popular phone OS -- why do you think that should translate to them that they should "quit the business"?
sw6lee said:
I'm never going to recommend android to any of my friends any more, because now i realize that there is nothing to recommend about it. Open source? Better working closed OS is much better in my opinion. Anyway, I have no reason to write this to people here but I hope google guys see this post somehow.
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Again, I know you said that you didn't want to hear it, but I think you've suggested your own best solution -- you need to go iOS. And if you're using a Windows based desktop or notebook PC, I would recommend getting rid of that and going with Apple, too. That's not meant to be an insult in any way -- you just don't seem happy using Android, and what most of us consider to be a huge benefit of the OS (open source, tweakable, customizable, etc.), you consider to be negative or undesirable. Why keep a device that makes you so unhappy? Take a loss, and buy a device you can be happy using. Life's too short.
shin lucifer said:
Cant say about others here. But personally i am very seldom in portrait mode. Reading manga probably the only time i am in that mode, feel pretty smooth on stock browser. The only time i see any lag, is when system is switching mode. But that is to be expected, given the processor/ram and the resolution; it will take time to adjust but its barely a second.
I have dual 24" IPS monitor form dell with very high resolution, on a system running at 4Ghz/12gig ram with high end dual GFX. When i switch those monitor in portrait, even they take few sec to adjust and populate the icon on screen.
Been a while i used stock keyboard. I am using Thumb Keyboard 4, it has a little lag, but only because its show possible suggestion of what you typing. And usually its just a few words behind my speed of typing. I use Dolphin browser, but i have had no problem. Also use Stock browser too. I leave link and multiple tab open on dolphin browser so i can get to them later when i have time, never had any issue so far.
Had the same problem. Got the Music Folder Player (free), problem solved. And since i use headphone to listen to music, i dont really care if i can see album art and stuff. Other wise i would use stock player since the screen be on because i wanted to see album art and stuff LOL. Also got the Donate version of Folder Player, since i wanted to support the DEV.
Not sure what kind of heavy task you referring to. But i can run CF-bench, then switch to home when its done and have no lag at all... Or you can give some example of Heavy task you running, so i can test it on my system too.
I am running Stock 3.2 just modified for Root (Kekinash), with Thor's 3.7 Kernel. OC set to interactive 1504Max/608min. I didnt write the reply to prove OP issue wrong, just simply suggesting that there are answer to most of the problems just take time to find them, and the best part, you learn alot of new things as you try to find the solution of a particular problem.
That's one of the best part of Android you can make the OS work for you (some time and experience), compare to other Tablet OS that go out of there way to try to restrict you from manipulating OS to your advantage.
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I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.
WarbyD said:
Are you kidding me? You have looked at market, and Hive is the *ONLY* music player you can find? I reckon I could find dozens in a matter of minutes.. Personally, I'm using MixZing and it's working well for me.. I don't recall having any issues with the stock music app shutting off when the screen goes off either so I'm guessing that's a setting you've tinkered with somewhere (funny how when you change settings, the behaviour of things changes hey?)
Also, who cares if the stock app isn't exactly what you want? I'm pretty sure you select what programs suit *YOUR* needs to play music/movies/edit documents/browse the web/scratch yourself etc on your PC, and if you had an iPad I'm sure you would select the apps that suit *YOU* on there too - so what difference does it make? NO manufacturer is going to ship a device with exactly the applications you want, thats the whole reason that we are able to go out and buy/download those which suit our needs!
What exactly isn't right about it? I have a Motorola Atrix, I love the android implementation (because let's remember, thats what each of these devices ships with - another company's implementation of the android OS, not the bog stock "android os" from google) on there - straight out of the box without any modification it worked perfectly well.. And then I started tinkering and WOW! I could change damned near anything I wanted! FANTASTIC! But if that didn't interest me? NO problem, it shipped with a perfectly acceptable functioning system which well exceeded the performance of my wife's iPhone 4...
Almost every "bug" i read about, is nothing to do with android - it's do with someone's rom, or an error within an application - Windows applications crash, iOS applications crash, hell - even my old linux box used to crash from time to time when I started messing with things or running other people's software..
What is it that you and your friends ARE looking for in an OS? Because honestly, if what you want is something that *never* crashes, regardless of what you try to mess with, or that doesn't have *any* applications that are buggy or poorly implemented.. then I don't know, perhaps you'd best start looking for someone to port you a rom based on my old Nokia 5110?
/rant!
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I meant music player for honeycomb. These have controls in the notification bar, but other phone optimized music players don't have that, and while in an app, and you want to turn music off, you need to GO to the music app and pause it, and go back to the previous app you were in. This is why I don't use phone optimized music app on my iconia.
And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.
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And the bugs I listed in my first post is all over the internet, so don't deny it. Maybe some few people don't have problem with it because they are running a custom rom, or using alternative apps.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
http://www.thriveforums.org/forum/t...ic-will-not-continuously-play-sleep-mode.html
-Also, read description of Music Player for Pad and Hive Player on Market. They mention that their music player don't stop playing even when screen is off. They say that they changed a code or something.
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbm8QAS3DI
The bugs are all over the internet. You are saying that only very few people are having the problems I mentioned or any problems, and it's probably because of what they have done to the tablet. If you can't believe me, see the links I posted.
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180 complaints across two threads = "all over the internet"?
Even if you count all 180 as being definite problems with Honeycomb, when you consider the number of Honeycombs devices out there and in use, 180 problems is statistically insignificant. As of October 19, a total of 3.8 million Honeycomb tablets have been sold. That's not even a percentage figure I can post here without using scientific notation. Statistically, it's WAY below 0.00%.
In skimming through the posts that you linked to, I did notice that most of the posts are about Honeycomb 3.0 and 3.1, with only a few posts at the bottom of each thread being recent and/or about 3.2. How many of the problems reported with 3.0 and 3.1 were fixed with the subsequent updates?
You also need to realize that Google is not responsible for the hardware -- it's the hardware manufacturer's job to make sure their hardware works with Honeycomb. It's like blaming Microsoft for your Dell PC running slow. That's not Microsoft's fault.
And you basically say that most people reporting no issues have likely solved the problems themselves by what they've done to the tablet? Well...do that as well and then you and the whopping 180 people won't have any problems, no?
I'm not saying that you're not encountering any problems with Honeycomb -- I'm sure you are. However, you're an insignificant statistic to Google, and there are soooooooo many people running the same hardware/OS who are not seeing any problems that it is highly likely that your problems are
1. A configuration issue.
2. Caused by a 3rd-party app.
3. Easily fixable by way of tweaking the configuration and/or using an alternate app.
Again, not saying that you're not encountering problems, but these problems are FAR from being as common as you claim. I would advise trying to figure out tweaks to solve your (apparently rare) problems, or you should resell the tablet and move on, and just consider Honeycomb to not be the OS for you.
sw6lee said:
I meant heavy task, say web browsing for a few hours, and when I go to home screen, it reloads the widgets, icons and everything again for maybe 3 seconds, and when I try to do something then, like open app drawer or scroll desktop or open another app, it is insanely laggy. Of course, it's only for 3-4 seconds, but it happens often, and it's very annoying.
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I can completely understand few seconds here and there over time can lead to frustration, especially now that our tech are so fast and we not so use to waiting on every commands.
My only suggestion will be, and i dont know if you have already tried this. Try to get Rooted Stock 3.2 with diff Kernels. Personally i was surprise how much smoother thing ran compare to 3.1. I mean i didnt have any problems with 3.1, but after Rooted Stock 3.2 i started to see difference in response time on small thing and it was fast.
I am one of the silent millions, One hundred % happy with stock Three.two. No problems except sleep, but that will fixed. I just turn off. Hope you get working.

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