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I thought it was a TFT LCD screen.
LOL just like sprint to possibly print the wrong specs on their own website. I guess from a development stand point it doesn't matter if the screen in AMOLED or TFT. I worry about AMOLED considering the stuff being reported about the nexus one screen though.
as someone using an AMOLED phone I'm glad it has a high quality TFT instead. My phone is absolutely atrocious to view in sunlight. While Super-AMOLED takes care of this problem, it isnt available on any non-Samsung phones and Samsung probably wants to keep it exclusive for a while
I keep hearing everyone go on about Pentile is crap, etc. Then I hear that all AMOLED screens use Pentile Matrix rendering (Galaxy S, Nexus, etc). Also the pentile tech is also made by Samsung from my understanding. So why does everyone consider our Pentile TFT qHD Res 24-bit color screen crap on these fourms (other forums now too)? Especially when EVERY review I have seen online about our screens have gotten nothing but good ratings, and say it is almost as good as the iphone 4 IPS LCD screen (minus the pixel density 920x540 4" vs 920x640 3.5"). I think it is crap we have the highest res screen android phone ever and we are not getting atleast some credit.
Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I think it is crap we have the highest res screen android phone ever and we are not getting atleast some credit.
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Meizu M9 is the android phone with highest res.
Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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Meizu M9 is the android phone with highest res.
Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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OK besides CHINA we have the highest res screen. Plus I don't think the SGS2 screen is any better it is even more oversaturated than the original SGS. On top of that they went with even less pixel density than the first... No thanks.
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Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I guess my question is why is the Pentile LCD getting knocked but PENTILE AMOLED is not? Both have the same flaws and advantages.
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I guess my question is why is the Pentile LCD getting knocked but PENTILE AMOLED is not? Both have the same flaws and advantages.
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Because people (Especially with phones for some reason) like to hop on bandwagons and have no idea what they're talking about.
Personally love the diplay on the Atrix but human nature requires some to nitpick. Prospective buyers should inform themselves of the display tech, but also that it is an excellent display that will only get a small but vocal minority bent.
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Not really sure if there is a question in there. But Anandtech does a good explanation of the Pentile display including the pros and cons:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/4
In the end the decision is an objective one. Some people don't notice the difference and some people can't stop noticing the difference.
I am sure there will be numerous posts after mine complaining about the pentile display. But the only thing that matters is how the screen looks to you. Beyond that it is only a philosophical argument.
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I agree with you completely.
The Atrix 4G, with the Pentile screen, is still considerably higher in perceivable resolution than 800x480. And that's just my opinion.
I won't deny the Galaxy S have really nice colors, but they are oversaturdated.
The extra resolution in a practical sense has been more useful to me in web browsing and other activities than the LSD colors of my Captivate.
As someone poinedt out, it's a personal preference. I have a friend that would rather wait for Super AMOLED Plus but I find the Atrix to be an excellent phone and an improvement in all categories despite some legitimate complaints about upload speed that is the fault of AT&T.
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SAMOLED is pentile RGBG
Atrix is pentile RGBW
so the subpixels in the atrix are white...
I don't know the entire technicalities but I know that is the DIFFERENCE...
I love The screen. doesn't bother me a bit. I like CRISP over SATURATED, although I'm not knocking the SAMOLED screens either, as they are nice in their own right.
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SAMOLED is pentile RGBG
Atrix is pentile RGBW
so the subpixels in the atrix are white...
I don't know the entire technicalities but I know that is the DIFFERENCE...
I love The screen. doesn't bother me a bit. I like CRISP over SATURATED, although I'm not knocking the SAMOLED screens either, as they are nice in their own right.
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Ya I found a little bit more about that....
"PenTile RGBW technology adds a white subpixel to the traditional red, blue, and green subpixels in a color display allowing a brighter display using less power. ... When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the Liquid Crystal Display levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. Since most natural images and black on white text have few simultaneously bright and saturated colors, the average power of the PenTile RGBW panel is 50% less than a conventional RGB LCD. Since the LCD backlight is the major power using component on many portable devices ... products that use the PenTile RGBW panel have appreciably longer battery life. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability. "
To me it sounds instead of just RGB of tradition LCD screens we have a white subpixel also. Which increases brightness at half the power.
Man I swear these fanboys acting like we were getting some inferior screen when all along it was an UPRGADE
Plus Moto should of put some marketing scheme on it's name like. SUPER TFT LCD SCREEN QHD 24-BIT EXTREME. Then all of the fanboys would of went NUTS for it.
the simple solution is to try the phone out and see whether it meets your needs or not. at least that's how I see the 30 day love it or leave it trial period. let your own eyes be the judge, and then decide which pros and cons you can happily live with. The Atrix is a wonderful device,and I believe it will only get better with time. it was simply overkill for me, and at the ripe old age of 43 the bigger screen on the Inpire is easier to read lol.
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I don't know or care about the technical aspects of pentile displays, but I do know what my eyes see. If I zoom in on a 5 or 6 megapixel photo with my Samsung Captivate, the photo pixelates badly. If I do the same thing with my Atrix the photo stays sharp and clear. The Iphone 4 I returned TWICE, kept the same sharpness and clarity.
The auto settings on the Atrix and the HTC Inspire are terrible, take your camera off of automatic and it will take better pics.
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Ya I found a little bit more about that....
"PenTile RGBW technology adds a white subpixel to the traditional red, blue, and green subpixels in a color display allowing a brighter display using less power. ... When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the Liquid Crystal Display levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. Since most natural images and black on white text have few simultaneously bright and saturated colors, the average power of the PenTile RGBW panel is 50% less than a conventional RGB LCD. Since the LCD backlight is the major power using component on many portable devices ... products that use the PenTile RGBW panel have appreciably longer battery life. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability. "
To me it sounds instead of just RGB of tradition LCD screens we have a white subpixel also. Which increases brightness at half the power.
Man I swear these fanboys acting like we were getting some inferior screen when all along it was an UPRGADE
Plus Moto should of put some marketing scheme on it's name like. SUPER TFT LCD SCREEN QHD 24-BIT EXTREME. Then all of the fanboys would of went NUTS for it.
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thanks cause of this i changed my wallpaper to completely white background ill see if it improves battery life
When the galaxy s came out, the deal breaker for me was the screen.
Before I knew what a pentile matrix was I noticed it without trying, and it bugs me a lot.
I have been using mine for a few days now and love the clarity of the screen. The only problem for me is that when reading on it for extended times, such as using xda, I start to develop headaches? Really odd and I thought it would just be a short adjustment but after three straight evenings I am beginning to wonder.
I wondered the exact same thing OP. I'm in the market for an atrix and I've been trolling the forums for a while to get a feel of user feedback.
It really seems like people are complaining about the pentile display on the atrix but all current SAMOLEDS have the exact same problem.
The pentile matrix is only fixed on the new SAMOLED plus on the SG2 , so until then I'm not sure why people keep knocking the pentile display on the atrix when comparing it to other current gen phones like the Nexus S and captivate.
Just my 2 cents
I find the screen on the Atrix to be very crisp and clear. Can I see a pixel or two? Honestly I dunno because I don't search for pixels on a phone screen. Gaming and text are both excellent.
I find that people complain too much. They also will read somewhere that "pentile sucks" so they start saying "fail, Pentile sucks". There would be much less drama on forums and blogs if people would just try a product and form their own opinions instead just blindly following a reviewer or commenter.
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Besides, the SGS2 screen dominates the Atrix screen.
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With a 4.3" SAMOLED Plus display.... expect battery life close to 1-hr of 3G web browsing.
TareX said:
With a 4.3" SAMOLED Plus display.... expect battery life close to 1-hr of 3G web browsing.
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To say nothing of the fact that the GPS won't work and you'll never see updates
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It's actually SAMOLED+, there are different types of amoled screen that's been used in phones. SAMOLED+ is an upgrade from SAMOLED, by introducing a higher ppi and a normal rgb layout from their PenTile usage. SAMOLED is actually better in direct sunlight compared to lcd technology. The comparison your talking about of amoled vs slcd is an year old article, which dealt with the old amoled technology.
retina vs samoled+ is really about what's you use it for.. do you want color or better detail? that said unless you look very close you can't tell the difference between amoled samoled and samoled+ . if you're watching a movie or music video, it'll look better on samoled+ than retina, but if you're reading a story you may be better off with retina
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retina vs samoled+ is really about what's you use it for.. do you want color or better detail? that said unless you look very close you can't tell the difference between amoled samoled and samoled+ . if you're watching a movie or music video, it'll look better on samoled+ than retina, but if you're reading a story you may be better off with retina
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Except you'd be reading that story on a tiny 3.5" display. The larger screen size tends to make the SGS2 a better reading platform as well.
Retina display was pretty good last year, but now with the QHD phones, Super AMOLED plus and Super AMOLED HD?
And you own HTC devices and not an SGS2 yourself. I say you're mistaken
Coming from a guy who used to own an SGS1 where text was pretty pixelated and an iPhone 4 which was wonderful, I must say the Super AMOLED plus definitely blows it away.
The Super AMOLED HD coming for the Note and 7.7 will probably blow the iPhone 4 away as well. I wonder if Apple has made another amazing display for the iPhone 5 to watch
I've been doing a bit of research about these different types of displays. After using a couple of IPS displays and comparing them side-by-side to AMOLED displays, I'm beginning to have a different perspective. IPS just looks stunning. Not to say AMOLED looks bad or anything, but in the past I was more inclined towards AMOLED. As someone who has experienced burn-ins with previous AMOLED displays, I can say that it really does suck.
IPS displays are generally better for outdoor viewing, are brighter (usually), have better viewing angles, more realistic colors and don't burn in. On the other hand, AMOLED displays have colors that "pop", have very deep blacks, and don't require a backlight.
Hell, go to your local carrier store/Target/Best Buy/whatever sells electronics and take a look at the Samsung phones like the S5 and phones with IPS displays. Every AMOLED display I saw in stores had a tremendous burn-in. I wish I could have taken pictures but I didn't have my phone with me at the time. Granted, the phones on display are turned on all day and are usually stuck on one image as long as they are display phones which leads to the rapid burn ins. But the fact still stands.
As you guys know, the Nexus 6 is going to have an AMOLED display. Now, this isn't real research or anything but there is something that I have noticed when I look over all of the hands on pictures from sites like TheVerge, TechCrunch, etc. The Nexus 6's display isn't the brightest dip=splay out there. Actually, it looks pretty dim. Of course there aren't real reviews yet but this is just speculation on my part.
What do you guys think? Are the trade-offs worth it? For those that do own phones with AMOLED displays, have you had burn in on your screen? How long do you guys think the Nexus 6 can last before it potentially burns in?
My sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DChnGXLErrI
http://www.androidauthority.com/amoled-vs-lcd-282084/
Amoled
I personally like OLED, but mostly for the contrast. My question though is if the Nexus 6 will have a Pentile or RGB subpixel layout. I hate Pentile. Also, brightness is not the biggest factor in sinlight readability, its reflectivity that matters. Many OLED screens have low reflectivity, so the sun isnt bouning into your eyes and making the display look dim. And i have heard that higher pixel densities burn in less, but that is not something i have seen proof of.
Amoled if its same tech like on the Note 4 (same generation) IPS if it was high quality one like on the iPhone 6.
I prefer IPS LCD because I've tried my fair share of Samsung AMOLED devices and all of them have greenish-yellow tints and grainy colors. Not to even mention the pathetic brightness levels.
I would've preferred a well calibrated 1080p IPS LCD. It'd easily look as sharp as the 1440p Pentile AMOLED, while at the same time improving battery life and GPU performance.
Amoled for me. I really like the colors and viewing angles of it. Not to mention the low power emission and active display compability. No lightbleeding issues,too.
After using an IPS display for ages now with my N4 I would love to use an AMOLED display where colours did not seem so washed out and true blacks can be had (which since darker colours are easier on my eyes I prefer it).
The only worry I have is Burn In, but if I have heard correctly a lot of Burn In issues have been resolved with later devices. I really hope this is true.
I prefer Amoled as the ips tech I dealt with had issues with light bleed & other weird anomalies
Ips is way better.
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Yes, the only reason I'd pass is the fact that it's an OLED display. I always get burn in, I told myself never again but I will be buying the N6.
It depends of the display's generation and calibration.
If it's on par with the AMOLED screen of the Note 4, I prefer AMOLED screen.
But an IPS Display as good as the one used in the iPhone 6 plus is better than every older AMOLED screen.
alex989898 said:
It depends of the display's generation and calibration.
If it's on par with the AMOLED screen of the Note 4, I prefer AMOLED screen.
But an IPS Display as good as the one used in the iPhone 6 plus is better than every older AMOLED screen.
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nexus 6 is amoled and the note 4 is super amoled..huge difference
hello00 said:
nexus 6 is amoled and the note 4 is super amoled..huge difference
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I don't know if other manufacturers have the right to use the terms "Super AMOLED" or if it's patented by Samsung.
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I don't know if other manufacturers have the right to use the terms "Super AMOLED" or if it's patented by Samsung.
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i think if u compare the note 4's screen with the s5 you will see the difference
I definitely prefer IPS, but I've really been wanting that Ambient Display. Can't have both, so to me the best compromise is AMOLED, paired with an LCD wearable. I'll have that with my N6 and 360.
Great topic, especially considering the screen is what we all look at every single time we use our phone. This is definitely a "preference" thing.
I've had a few phones (both newer and older display techs) and I know for myself, a photography enthusiast, I prefer color correctness and white whites over "true blacks" ON MY PHONE. I watch my Panasonic Plasma TV for true blacks (and even those aren't 100% true).
AMOLED's (pre GS5 & Note4 and I've yet to view either) burn-in and have image retention and their whites are beyond horrible. Of course most wouldn't even notice this until they put their phone right next to a IPS LCD. You can always "get used to" or "learn to like" the screen your viewing. Until you put it next to something else. Even then a lot of us will believe the one we have is the best. All comes back to personal preference
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i think if u compare the note 4's screen with the s5 you will see the difference
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I think both are marketed as "Super AMOLED" no ? (But I know that the screen of the Note 4 is better)
But that's not my point. My point is that even if Google comes with the same screen as the Galaxy Note 4, I'm not sure that they can use the terms "Super AMOLED" (exactly like you can't use the term "Retina" if you are not Apple).
What's it look like when the screen burns in? Is that when it leaves like a shadow of something like an app you used in the background no matter what? Because my friends s3 has snap chat burned into the background.
Does this happen with all amoled screens? And if it does will warranty exchange it? Because I use my phone a lot and don't want to risk something like this. I. have lots of friends with the s4 and s5 and none have this issue. The only one who has it is with his really old s3.
I don't really care about true whites and deep black's or whatever. When I had the nexus 5 it looked yellow but with my g2 it's really nice. It doesn't matter though because I don't notice it unless I compare it to another phone. And I really like how the colors look on the Samsung Galaxy s tablet so if Motorola's amoled screen is anything like that I'll love the colors. And I like that theres no back light to cause light bleed like in the nexus 5 and nexus 10 (notorious for it).
But I'm gonna do some research on amoled now and see what I find out. I really hope the newer phones like this especially at this price don't have issues
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abdel12345 said:
What's it look like when the screen burns in? Is that when it leaves like a shadow of something like an app you used in the background no matter what? Because my friends s3 has snap chat burned into the background.
Does this happen with all amoled screens? And if it does will warranty exchange it? Because I use my phone a lot and don't want to risk something like this. I. have lots of friends with the s4 and s5 and none have this issue. The only one who has it is with his really old s3.
I don't really care about true whites and deep black's or whatever. When I had the nexus 5 it looked yellow but with my g2 it's really nice. It doesn't matter though because I don't notice it unless I compare it to another phone. And I really like how the colors look on the Samsung Galaxy s tablet so if Motorola's amoled screen is anything like that I'll love the colors. And I like that theres no back light to cause light bleed like in the nexus 5 and nexus 10 (notorious for it).
But I'm gonna do some research on amoled now and see what I find out. I really hope the newer phones like this especially at this price don't have issues
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It happen only on older phones. Both my S2 and S3 have burn-in issues (keyboard and notification bar are burn-in on both) but my GS4 GPe is fine.
But the Tab S use a recent gen of AMOLED and are very well calibrated. Motorola's smartphones never use the latest AMOLED screens (it seems that Samsung doesn't sell them)
I want black to be black and no light bleed..
Note 4 seems to be an extremly good display that can have really correct colors.
And high brightness... Hope Nexus 6 have just as good display..
my Note 2 have notification bar burn in..
Sorry for my bad english.
Amoled display is the best I ever seen, so glad that on nexus 6 I will finally have it.
True black, the highest view angles, more colors.
I am looking to buy this phone to use with Gear VR. Apparently RGB Amoled displays show less Screen Door Effect (SDE) than Diamond pentile Amoled displays.
Researching the net, some results say it has an RGB display and some say Pentile display. You owners will know for sure so which display tech does it have please?
Also anyone use this phone with the Gear VR headset? Much SDE?
I am pretty sure its is RGB
Pentile, like every samsung amoled displays
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I am looking to buy this phone to use with Gear VR. Apparently RGB Amoled displays show less Screen Door Effect (SDE) than Diamond pentile Amoled displays.
Researching the net, some results say it has an RGB display and some say Pentile display. You owners will know for sure so which display tech does it have please?
Also anyone use this phone with the Gear VR headset? Much SDE?
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I use the Gear VR a lot. It's not really noticeable unless you get something of poor quality, then it does become bad especially in bright parts. Games like Dread halls is not noticeable at all for me.