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As much as I love the hd2 I am now having to send the hd2 back for repair because of issues of intermittant 3g connection and wifi. If the phone comes back defective again ,I may need to considor changing and the desire is top of my list at the moment. If you own (or have used for a significant amount of time) a desire. Please can you tell me how it compares to the hd2 in he following aspects(and others).
-battery life
-screen sensitivty
-bugs/lag of operating system
-camera/video recording
-browsing experience.
Thanks
I have a HD2, stock 1.66 CHT/WWE ROM. My friend has the Desire, stock Android ROM (not sure what version), unlocked from Telstra (Australian carrier). He has charged me with setting up his phone for the first time, such as a GPS program, movie converter etc. So I got a good dose of playing around with the Desire for a couple of days.
Here is what I think about both:
Both are captive screens, and fairly responsive. But after using the HD2 for so long I can safely say every other mobile screen you will ever gaze upon will seem small (I'm looking at the Xperia X1 alongside my HD2 now and it really hits me, even though they are both 480x800).
Both phones have a few millisecond lag if say you are opening a 16GB folder, filled to the brim with movies. But apart from more intensive work like that, both are very responsive.
The optical joystick / hole / button / whatever-you-call it on the Desire is an awesome thing to have. One feature that stood out on the X1 was the optical trackpad, and the Desire continues that in a smaller form. Its one thing I don't need, but wish I had on the HD2.
There really is no way to accurately compare the battery life, as the different way each OS consumes juice and the hardware variations. But in-general, I noticed both were comparable, with the Desire exceeding the HD2 by about 3-4hours.
How did I reach that conclusion? Well I was playing with both phones side-by-side, and seeing if the features of one phone were on the other. So its NOT an accurate review, just rough.
I also had a quick playaround of the camera, and its nothing too different from the HD2. Both are on-par with what you'd expect from a PDA camera (which is not that good hah). There is one good thing about the Desire though, in that you can use the central button to take pictures. Making self-portraits so much easier as you don't have to press a particular location to trigger the camera on-screen.
As for the browsing experience I don't know, we didn't view any websites with the Desire, but I'd imagine it would be simillar. But from my experience I can't seem to get it connect to a Wi-Fi network, but this Desire and even my other friend's HTC Legend. But that's probably just me as I've yet to own an Android phone.
One thing that is important to me though, is the ability to connect the phone to the internet through your computer. Apparently you can't do that with Android systems? I spent about 2hours trying to mimic a phone>computer>activesync>internet connection on the Desire, only to be told by a quick Google search that its not possible. That killed me abit inside.
Unlike Windows Mobile, there is no default File Explorer on Android. I had to download and install one. What the hell Google?
Anyway not the best guide, and there is definately more playing around to do, but thats just a quick summary for someone who has had the chance to play around with the HD2 and Desire side-by-side.
Never had an Android phone before but plenty of WM ons, (see sig) but feel time is right to jump OS. Desire and Galaxy S seem to be the best 2 around for uk users.
Looking at the specs nearly everything about this phone seems better than the Desire
Pros:
Bigger screen
Super Amoled
Faster CPU
Better GPU (has Desire got one?)
TV-out
8GB Internal memory
720p recording
Good camera (even without the flash it seems to take pretty impressive photos/videos)
Cons:
Froyo update (officially yes, but when? Samsung past record doesn't inspire confidence)
Likelyhood of further Android OS updates (such as gingerbread)
Could people who have experience of both please comment on the general speed of the 2 devices. Is the Galaxy faster in real life doing most things,
especially web browsing (including flash video) and playing videos from MicroSD card.
I would be running these apps if I get an android phone:
Slingplayer
Skyfire
Opera mini
myPlayer
Are there any apps/ anything else which isn't working on the Galaxy which runs o.k. on the Desire.
Thanks in advance.
I have both the phones & a Dell Streak up until yesterday. All those apps you listed work fine on both devices except Slingplayer which I don't know about as I don't use it.
I'm having problems with the web brower of the Galaxy in that when I click on a link the web browser shuts down & returns to the home screen. Also I can change the UA string to set the browser to show desktop version but it won't stay. I've already exchanged one unit & the second one still does it.
I use a well known porn site (ahem, testing purposes only :wink) to test the flash & have to say the Galaxy plays the clips without a hitch (though not super smooth) but the Desire just plays the sound, no video.
On specs alone the Galaxy pisses all over the Desire but in actual use there's not much in it. For sure the Galaxy screen is better & the speaker is much louder & better sounding than the Desire but the Desire feels better quality & I prefer the physical buttons.
The Galaxy will be returned for refund tomorrow because my 7 days are up, but I would probably choose it over the Desire if not for the web browser issues.
Thanks for that Zen123.
Probably sensible to wait till Froyo is officially out on Desire and more info about when it will be on the Galaxy but it won't be easy.
I have both.
Galaxy S pros:
Much better at graphics intensive tasks
Better sound quality, output volume
Better music player with EQ
DivX etc out of the box
TV Out (cable + DLNA)
WiFi tether
1.8GB of storage for app installation
More storage with inbuilt storage
Better screen - not only size and display characteristics but also touch and multitouch (most important for gaming, but not entirely irrelevant elsewhere)
Better loudspeaker
Better battery life
Desire pros:
General operation speed is better
GameBoid works
Widget selection is much, much, better
Hardware keys
Better build quality
Browser is better in terms of function, but the extra 0.3inches of the Galaxy negate that advantage for me
HTC music player works with LastFM, Galaxy's doesn't
Off the top of my head those would be the main things.
NZtechfreak, interesting you mention Desire is quicker generally. The difference in browser functionality? Don't they have the same browser?
Got both:
And like the other say both phones are realy nice, but if i had to chose one i would go for the Galaxy. Why?
Galaxy:
Better screen, colors and most off all i can see it better in sunlight.
Ok, it had a small bit off lagg for me when i did open DialPad, but after i got a task killer no more lagg there. Other then that i have not notice lagg in apps/programs like some other have been notice.
Battery last longer on Galaxy then on desire, and that is importent for one like myself.
And like some say they like the build Quality on desire more, i cant say that is wrong But i quite like Galaxy even i guess some should say it is litle "plastic", feeling on it, it is damn light in the pocket.
And if we talk "Root" if both both device use custom roms and the the right chefs make them, Galaxy will be a monster with a custom rom made for it
the other standard things i did see they had already write in other posts here
I had the desire first, returned it and went with the SGS. Why?
-The screen is obviously better, bigger while not too big (in my opinion ofc) and properly registers multitouch (desire has problems when you cross axis with 2 fingers, not a problem in normal usage but very annoying when you try to play a game with 'joysticks' on screen).
Edit: The S-amoled also seems to solve some of the pentile problems I found using my desire, like pink colours where gray shoud be.
-Camera quality is slightly better, however the lack of flash sucks, I enjoyed using the flash as a flashlight.
-The media player is just amazing. Goodbye converters, hello divx playback . Seriously though, it allows me to save 10's of GB on my desktop's harddrive, space I had to use to store those converted files before.
-Audio quality is top-notch, way better than the desire. It also simulates 5.1 playback and plays very HQ music (my flac library sounds better than ever).
-The GPU. You can actually play a game like asphalt on this, while on the Desire the game hangs constantly.
-Storage (this is only for android 2.1 ofc, but this might still be very important during the next couple of months). If you want to keep a few good games on the Desire at the same time, you will need to root/a2sd. Otherwise you WILL run out of storage. On the SGS, you have more than 10 times the app space.
Now with that said, the Desire has it's perks as well, like the sense ui (it's a lot more elegant than touchwiz), tweaked browser with flash Lite and the overall better experience (I feel the Galaxy S has a tendency to slow down over time, while I didn't have this experience on the Desire, might be that I play more games on the SGS tho).
However, I do feel samsung is putting a lot of effort in this phone and I really believe that we're gonna see some good firmware tweaks very soon. The fact that they are offering some quality apps with the phone, like the tweaked layar version, and the "samsung app store" which offers free stuff like the full asphalt game (which costs 5€ in the gameloft store).
Assuming that the Galaxy S is released on T-Mobile UK, this is going to have to be a decision I make as well. I was going to go for the Desire, but since hearing about the Galaxy S I've all but decided to go for that instead. Just a pity the build quality isn't so good, it has a PenTile screen and it doesn't have a flash (though that's a minor complaint) - pity that there isn't a high-end Android phone available without any real drawbacks!
A bit puzzling that it would seem slower than the Desire when the hardware should be as good or better - that must be software, and software's fixable, hopefully.
TMobile UK seem to have confirmed that its coming next month
I'm currently using HTC Hero, but thinking of getting the SGS.
The GUI is a big turn off for me. But like on the Hero, i'm using Launcherpro from the Market. And i'm hoping this would also work on this phone.
Have anyone testet if it works on SGS?
See no reason why it shouldnt
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-fede-launcher-Ezxp.aspx
Running launcherpro here on the SGS, works fine. You can still use the samsung notification bar functions like enabling wifi/bluetooth and setting ringer volume and brightness while using it. Combined with the fancy widget, it looks very nice.
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Running launcherpro here on the SGS, works fine. You can still use the samsung notification bar functions like enabling wifi/bluetooth and setting ringer volume and brightness while using it. Combined with the fancy widget, it looks very nice.
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Came in buckets. thnx is what i want to hear
Phone is now purchased online
The Desire and Galaxy S have the same amount of RAM, though I believe, not 100%, that the Galaxy S kernel is lacking High Mem support, which if it's anything like the Nexus prior to gaining the support, means it only has access to around 190MB of RAM. The HTC kernel has High Mem support iirc, which bumps accessable ram to 390MB or so.
The fact that the Galaxy S comes out of the box with flac support and wifi tether negates my major reasons for really needing root...but having root and switching between roms more times than I shower is all part of the fun!
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The Desire and Galaxy S have the same amount of RAM, though I believe, not 100%, that the Galaxy S kernel is lacking High Mem support, which if it's anything like the Nexus prior to gaining the support, means it only has access to around 190MB of RAM. The HTC kernel has High Mem support iirc, which bumps accessible ram to 390MB or so.
The fact that the Galaxy S comes out of the box with flac support and wifi tether negates my major reasons for really needing root...but having root and switching between roms more times than I shower is all part of the fun!
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meaning? where is the rest of the RAM being used at (if your claim is right)?
So the verdict is the SGS is better than the HTC Desire, basically..
Hi
I own both phones and the conclusion is ready. Galaxy I9000 is much better than nexus or desire. Very fast, sped, screen, games, internal storage, sound.. Is my point of view as developer for android
Flash question
I am slightly confused about the flash support for the 2 phones. If you read GSM arena review, they say Galaxy S doesn't have any, other than the youtube videos through a dedicated youtube player. HTC's own website says the Desire comes with flash support. They are both running Android 2.1.
What exactly does the stock Desire have in terms of flash, some version of flash lite? If so can't the Galaxy S be upgraded to the same level through installing an application?
Interested in Galaxy...or Desire
Currently running an iPhone 3GS . Was tempted(briefly) by the iPhone 4 , but not enough of an upgrade as far as Im concerned.
I must admit to loving my 3GS.OK the UI may be boring,but it does what its meant to do good enough.
Had never read anything about the Galaxy s until last night.I didnt even know Samsung made an Android phone!It does look really nice though.The screen looks great.
I have owned Samsung phones in the past, few years back now.And was always disappointed with volume.Is the Galaxy loud?If I leave the phone in my coat pocket downstairs am I going to struggle to hear it ring?(Not talking miles away here).
Also, the 3GS does feel like a quality bit of kit in the hand.Looks as good now as it did when I bought it 12 months ago.The build quality of the Samsung worries me slightly(from what I have read about it)
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meaning? where is the rest of the RAM being used at (if your claim is right)?
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I always thought this was something comparable to 64bit OSes, you just can't go above a certain amount (around 3.5gb, but for android 256mb) since the os doesnt support it. I guess it's a bit different with linux, but the comparison remains the same.
There was a line in the 2.2 features description on developer.android.com before, saying "HIMEM support, enabling access to more than 256mb of ram on devices", but I can't seem to be able to find it now.
Edit: http: //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html see platform highlights
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What exactly does the stock Desire have in terms of flash, some version of flash lite? If so can't the Galaxy S be upgraded to the same level through installing an application?
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Desire has Flash lite 4, it's good enough to see some movies and some content like banners, but things like games and high quality/bandwidth movies are very sluggish.
Dunno if it can be ported that easily to the SGS, I think the browser needs to support it aswell, but not sure there.
camera photos comparison
can anyone post a photo(s) taken by these handsets (same object if possible)? will be upgrading tomorrow, and i feel these 2 handsets are pretty even for what i am after, the camera (photo & video) will be the deciding factor.... can anyone post pleeaaasssssseee??? i have less than 24 hours to decide!
I have all 3 phones. I have tried running divx, mp4 and mkv through all of them. The resolutions vary between dvd up to 720p hdtv quality. I am sad to say that, this is just my unscientific opinion, the evo shift stock is not more powerful than the other two in real world testing. I've tested operating all three in stock rom form and the shift isn't the badass.
If you want to recreate these tests for yourself to see or prove me wrong then go ahead. Go find a 720p mkv tv show off torrents or something and try running them on these phones.
Each phone has it's strong points and weaknesses. It just depends on what are you wanting the phone to do and what is more important than another thing. In general games, the epic seems to have the higher and smoother frame rates. It does have the largest keyboard area of between the two. I found that with my big fingers, I was bumping keys next to the one I was trying to hit many more times than I do on the Shift. The Epic's drawer mechanism is pretty darn loose. The Epic in video recording had closer to the actual colors and less artifacting caused by too high compression when compared to the Evo. I have yet to test video on the Shift much. I cannot record at the highest video resolution with the Epic without an error message coming up. The video is always corrupted when it crashes. If I do short recording sessions of just a few seconds, the epic looks better to me than the Evo. The Evo compresses too much and it shows in playback. The Evo will continue to record and not crash though when it is in highest resolution. Epic's high quality audio recording really sucks. It skips and studders. Both Evos sound great without any complaints. The screen on the Epic looks nicer and has richer looking colors than both Evos. Black is really black on the Epic. The colors might be richer but they exaggerate the saturation when comparing to whatever it is you are filming in real life.
The Epic seems to have more sensitive radios than the Evo but not the Shift, it hears just a little bit better than the Epic. I don't know who wins for battery life but I do know the Evo is in last place for runtime on a single charge.
Running the operating system on all three, the Evo seems quickest, Epic second, and the Shift in third. I'm talking about noticing hiccups, studders, temporary lockups and delayed reactions to screen touches. The Evo is very sensitive to the touch, the Shift second and Epic last. I found too many times I was talking back to the Epic, telling it to hurry up or come on!
The Epic takes a long time to charge and I haven't seen it be able to charge and use the device at the same time and actually increase battery capacity. I have seen both the Evos be able to charge and run at the same time.
Another thing I tried was pinch zooming in and out with the stock browser and see how smooth and fast it was. The Evo was definitely quick, followed closely by the Epic and Shift in last place with quick yet jerky zooming.
In closing, to be fair, the Evo has had the most official updates since first release. The epic has had a few updates too. The Shift is less than a week old. Evos are running 2.2 and Epic 2.1 so take some of that under consideration for speed too. I might be wrong but I would speculate that the Epic would be even faster when/if it finally goes to froyo. How would that stack up with the Evo? I don't know. It all comes down to what do you want in order of importance? For physical keyboards, I'm making less mistakes by hitting nearby keys with the Shift than the Epic.
Do any of you have two or all three of these phones? What are your observations? I'm not saying that these things I've said are facts per se, just my personal observations and impressions after using them. You mileage will most likely vary.
Well here is my take.
First: I do not have any of the above phones but I will be getting on soon.
I went into a Sprint store last night to get the shift, walked out not getting anything yet. Here is why.
To me currently its between 2 EVOs as I do not trust Samsung to fix or update anything, even if they roll out 2.2 or even 2.3 (skipping 2.2 as a Sprint employee suggested that Samsung is doing - I don't trust that but... whatever I have an Instinct and they dropped a ball on that with bugs glaring issues still in it).
So between the 2 EVOs here is what I see , any input would be welcomed.
Shift has better battery life, keyboard, smaller foot print, seems it should be faster at playing movies.
EVO thinner, larger screen.
So for me the keyboard is not a huge selling feature, I like it, but can easily live without it. Then there was an employee at the Sprint store with EVO and Extended battery. From all I've read/heard the extended battery on EVO should last at least as long as the stock on Shift. When I put both phones on the table the EVO was a smidgen thiker (with the extended battery) then the Shift.
So the way I see it the battery issue, is a non issue, between EVO and Shift so whats left is screen and keyboard.
I guess I will be selecting screen size, as bigger browser is a better experience, the way I see it.
From the above I am not sure I understand what is smoother playing videos (from the memory card) ?
Also is there any EVO issues (like connector problems, screen peeling ...) that I should put into my decision. Seems like where there but now are minimal if any.
I had an epic from launch which I traded for an evo two days ago and I bought my wife a shift on tuesday. While I may not have the epic right here to test I can assure you that I've run it through it's paces quite often.
First and foremost there is one glaring flaw in your testing and that is that the epic is running eclair which lacks the JIT speed enhancements and there fore its at a disadvantage. Second you even with that I have seen first hand how much more graphics processing power the epic has than the shift or even the evo.
As I started in your other thread about this, the shift has a second gen snap dragon whereas the evo has the first. Its a more powerful chip that has been underclocked exactly like it was in the desire z which has a stable overclock kernel running at 1.9ghz. The evo tops out at 1.2 and the epic overclocking was not "true" so its hard to judge that.
On to charging: my epic would charge to full from around 20% in about 4 hours while on and about 2 while off. I have not been able to thoroughly test the shift or the evo yet however I can say that I used to charge and use my epic all the time and it still charged very quickly.
Oh also for battery tests you have to keep in mind that while an lcd takes the same amount of power to display all colors a SAMOLED does not. Black requires no power and knowing that using dark themes as well as other tweaks I generally got about 28 hours per charge on the epic.
To sum up, I don't know a lot about .mkv files but I do know a lot about these three phones and here is what I know: the epic will always out perform the others on graphical tests. The evo and the epic will be close on productivity tests however the shift will be over clocked and will destroy the other two in productivity.
Edit sorry forgot to mention updates! The evo has received many major updates and tweaks that have made it a better device. The epic has received two and neither had fixed anything. One of them did make it so you could give samsung more money.
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I have the Epic and the Shift and I really believe the Shift runs better than the Epic in the real world enviornment. I havnt tested 720 mkv's though. Are you using the same SD card on each device when testing?
I find the Shift most def faster than the og evo in every aspect. I havn't had one lag, hickup or anything what-so-ever.
My browser doesnt have any lag at all when I pinch zoom in and out multiple times as fast as I can. Are you sure there isnt something running in the backround hendering your performace on your Shift? I truely believe when we overclock this thing its gonna smash on both phones minus the graphics of the Epic.
Considering I've messed with the EVO a ton and my friends with og EVO's say my phone is def faster in all aspects we could test at the time. I'm thinking maybe your device isnt running up to par for some reason...Or maybe I got a lucky device because my phone has been flawless (except for the signal drop when holding the base of the phone) for me and even lasted over 48 hours on 1 charge with light use.
Someone was mentioning speed improvements with jit. There's all kinds of ways to boost speed, the way I tested was stock rooted with official up to date roms.
I have just copied two shows that were converted from 1280x720 3700kbps video bitrate mkv. The video bitrate on both after re-encoding was 2000. One video I left the same 1280x720 and the other I converted down to the screen resolution of the phone 800x448. I am surprised that BOTH are 657.8mb regardless of resolution. My common sense is telling me this should not be. It's telling me the 1280 video should be larger in mb than the 800. I don't understand what the deal is but I'm not going to focus on that. I did this whole conversion with handbrake, bringing the audio down to 2 channel stereo, 48khz, 160kbps audio. I will play these and report back on what I find. I'm guessing the Shift and others won't have any problems since I backed the video bitrate way down. Playback on the computer, I'm surprised I can't tell the difference at fullscreen from the original....
I mentioned the jit improvements because only the epic doesn't have it. I'm not sure why there being "a ways to boost speed" negates the fact that any device running 2.2 or higher will have these speed boosts, which both the Evo and the Evo shift do but the Epic does not. You are effectively testing win xp against win7. Its just a bad test.
Further, its mostly moot because if you want your device to perform better you can (or will be able to in the case of the Shift) install custom roms that will outperform a stock phone any day.
Sent from my cm7 Evo 4G!
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Now that I'm on my computer and can do a little research I looked up the .mkv format. To be honest, its a rather old standard and that could be the issue you're having. As I stated previously in the other thread, I test a 1080p .avi episode of 30 Rock and noticed no hiccups or stuttering at all on either my (very non-stock) Evo and my wife's Shift. It ran perfectly. Since you are using Handbrake, I'm not sure why you're using mkv as opposed to avi as in my experience avi's tend to run a whole hell of a lot smoother than most other video formats and it is works on pretty much all video players.
There is one other very real possibility that has not been discussed: When the Evo first came out and for a long time it was locked at 30 frames per second for playback of any kind and the same kind of lock could be on the Evo Shift. However, given my personal results of being able to play 1080p video flawlessly, I very much doubt that this is the case.
Avi file extension is pretty old but that alone doesn't really tell you what codec is being used. I think avi might be a microsoft creation too. There are quite a few codecs dating back well over a decade or more which use the avi extension. Divx, xvid, and indeo are a few that I can remember off the top of my head. Mkv, some mp4, and m4v are mpeg 4 avc. Mkv is one of the codecs used in blu ray, so its not that old.
I am interested in what codec, audio channels with bitrate and video codec with bitrate, what bit color, etc. That might shed some light on what might be happening and why playback is the way it is.
I tried almost a dozen video players from the market that had between 4 to 5 stars and an old version of demo player. Some played very slow. Vital player and demo/divx had very slow playback for video. I think rockplayer demo was the only one I saw that had a choice between hardware or software decoding. Either one seemed to have the same results.
The video that was 800 resolution, with the mp4 avc reencode, played with higher framerate and pretty much syncd audio. There was a noticed studdering and not butter smooth of video. I haven't figured out the cause of that yet. The 1280x720 reencode played better than the master but the video skipped and studdered even worse. Some players handled av better than others but weren't perfect.
I am starting to think that it boils down to what do I want to do the most with my phone? Play games, watch videos, record audio and or video, text and email a lot, etc. I'm loosing interest in being an intense gamer. If I want to watch videos, why watch movies and shows on a tiny phone screen when I can use my laptop? I might do some video or audio recording. Granted this isn't a real camera or camcorder, but it will work in a pinch. I'm not really complaining about the phone. It will do what it was designed to do.
As I said before, these are just my observations and results after playing around with them. They aren't scientific. Some can say its flawed but actually I don't really care about that. I did these tests for myself and am sharing what I found out.
Maybe if I have some time, I will make a youtube video showing all this stuff happening. I wonder if I might have got a lemon phone... I should go by the sprint store and play with the display and see if it acts the same.
I've owned all three for extended periods of time and have rooted the Evo and Epic and tweaked the crap outta them both. The Epic is a complete POS period. Doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation. Their GPU #s mean absolutely ZERO to me because if you place a piece of **** in a tuxedo, it's still a POS. The Evo was a great phone but did have a lot of lag ESPECIALLY in the browser (scroll, pinch to zoom, etc) Battery life was just plain humerous and the screen resolution was just so bad that everything looked like it was washed through bleach before making it to the display. The Evo Shift is the fastest of the 3 BY FAR! It has no lag thus far, incredible reaction times, excellent scrolling, amazing battery life, and a clearer display than the EVO. I can honestly say that I own the best phone Sprint has to offer and I can't wait to get some seriously crazy Kernals on this thing and OC the crap out of it.
Please Note: I hate qwerty keyboards and have never used it. I'm not thrilled about the screen size of the Shift but will GLADLY tolerate a smaller screen for the crazy fast processor and unbelievable battery life. Not to mention I feel like the build quality is much nicer than both the Epic (piece of plastic Shyte) or the Evo (Nice but just no contrast on the body...all looks like black plastic) The brushed metal frame with the lazer etched polished rim on the front of the Evo shift is just beautiful. The back has a very nice look and feel but I would have preferred a metal backside like the G2 to complete the theme setup by the front of the phone.
Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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It's really hard to tell honestly. Very little difference if any. The Shift's GPUs are slightly better than the Evo but it's a little hard to tell. I played on my Shift and my sister's Evo...I call it a draw, maybe a slight edge in smoothness to the Shift but hardly noticeable.
You should odin the epic to dk28 aka froyo and then do these tests
There's too many inconsistents in your experimenting
But yeah once the shift gets Oc'd like the g2, then its good.
The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
Also, the keyboard on the epic looks nice, but misses keys. Everything I type from here on out wont b edited so you can see lol
The TP2 kb was the best. Idk why htc went with the g2 kb and left the tp2 in history :/
I think this test should be between the shift and g2 considering sprints phones are different beasts for different people lol
If samsung were to be on par with htc on software updates, I honestly don't think either of those phones would stand a chance against the epic
Also, 720p .mkv play great on the epic...even subtitles! But I believe its because samsung is usingthe codecs from rockplayer in the market for the galaxy s video player lol so I don't think that's a fair comparison since its basically atird party app
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The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
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The 1.6 was a fake. Was not truly 1.6ghz and that was brought up in the thread about the shift in the epic forums...
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My brother has an epic 4g and I have a shift 4g. From what I've noticed the only thing better about his phone is the way that the screen looks and the screen size. I tried loading up a blu-ray rip of avatar and I don't notice any artifacts, lag, or anything different between the two. The epic is faster in anything to do with gpu? Then why is it losing in benchmarks?
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I went to Radio Shack a few days ago to handle the Epic, Evo and the Shift. I ultimately decided on the Shift and here's why:
The Epic and Evo are just too big. I have fairly large hands (can palm a basketball) but I just couldn't stand the thought of something that large in my pocket; I prefer mobility.
The Evo doesn't have a keyboard, so it was automatically ruled out based on that one trait alone. The Epic has an additional row of buttons for the number keys, which I liked, but isn't necessary. The Epic's "drawer" (I saw someone call it that in this thread already), or the mechanism that allows the keyboard to slide out, felt cheap and loose.
Making the decision of buying the Shift was based on the keyboard, the smaller footprint, the better performing CPU and the price ($150 from RS on 2 year contract).
Ok, so I am digging this one out from over half a year ago, and I just wanted to see what people thought of the Shift vs Epic now that both have 2.3 and custom roms as I have a Shift at the moment but I can take it back and get the Epic for free. I was wondering as to which one performs better/smoother does better at call quality? I like the bigger screen and the number row on the keyboard.
The only thing I am going to say here is get the EVO Shift 4G if you are deciding between these three phones.
You ask why?
Simple
They are going to stop selling the EVO and the Epic come october that means no more updates or software support (except on XDA)
Thats just my 2 cents lol
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
saiyandide said:
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Not really. yea the second gen snapdragon with adreno 205 does really help close the distance between the two chipsets but a hummingbird still will outperform the Snapdragon in the graphics department.
The Epic is a MUCH better phone all around.
Clearer and larger Screen, front facing camera, snappier. All that.
Only downfall is the battery life is going to make you regret getting it.
So, second choice is the Shift. I suggest you get that if you want a phone you can use all day.
I'm trying to get a phone for my girlfriend. I've been looking at iPhone 3GS but it's hard to get a good deal on one (I'm buying used, no contract). The Aria is the more budget-friendly Android device from AT&T but it's also made by HTC.
So, that being said:
1) How high of an over-clock do you guys get with battery life/daily usage being concerned?
2) How smooth is the OS? I mean like, scrolling, home force closes and multi-tasking.
3) How is gaming on this? Has anyone played PSX4Droid on it or Crusade of Destiny or Hero of Sparta on this device?
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I'm trying to get a phone for my girlfriend. I've been looking at iPhone 3GS but it's hard to get a good deal on one (I'm buying used, no contract). The Aria is the more budget-friendly Android device from AT&T but it's also made by HTC.
So, that being said:
1) How high of an over-clock do you guys get with battery life/daily usage being concerned?
2) How smooth is the OS? I mean like, scrolling, home force closes and multi-tasking.
3) How is gaming on this? Has anyone played PSX4Droid on it or Crusade of Destiny or Hero of Sparta on this device?
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I haven't overclocked the phone - I don't see a need. Others have done so without a problem. There is a "sweet spot," so to speak - search "SetCPU" on this forum for more information. The Aria battery seems to be an issue, although with smart phones with touch screens, wifi, data, moderate/heavy use, batteries are being asked to do an awful lot these days...
The OS is very smooth (in my opinion) even with the Stock Sense UI, which I really like. The biggest issues with the stock at&t ROM are bloatware and the inability (for now) to move applications to the SD card (to save space on device memory). The scrolling is fast, switching apps works great, and Android Memory Management seems to do an adequate job. I have had the occasional force-close (not too often), but only with bad acting applications. I have CM running now, but when I had the Stock Sense ROM loaded - it was stable as a rock.
I have only played a couple of Sony SNES games using an emulator. They seemed just fine. I'm not a big gamer, so I can't say if the Aria is good for gaming.
The Aria is a great phone -
Great size (not freakishly huge) - fits into a pocket easily
Minimalist design
Excellent OS: stable and speedy. I haven't had it lock up yet - over a month's use.
I narrowed my upgrade choices to two phones:
Palm Pre
Aria
The Pre seemed a bit chunky (a lot thicker) and it was a bit laggy - I touched the e-mail icon and it slowly (albeit elegantly) started the e-mail application. The Pre has a lot to offer - great multi-tasking, hardware keyboard, and very nice screen. The Pre also is a Palm device (WebOS) and can run legacy Palm applications, if that's important to you (it was what originally drew me to that phone - I'm a Palm addict).
The Aria, in contrast, seems to launch applications much more quickly. It's also a much thinner phone, and easier to carry. It multi-tasks, but the switching isn't nearly as refined as the Pre's.
The decision is ultimately up to your girlfriend - Have her check the phones out and decide for herself. She may not be as into messing with the phone's OS as much as you are...Remember - she's the one who will be using it.
1 - generally overclocked at 806 with no issues at all. can't tell a difference in battery drain after a days use oc'd or not oc'd.
2 - a lot of the smoothness depends on the launcher you're using. once you're rooted and running cm6/7, you can choose from any number of launcher (launcherpro, adw, zeam). i recently changed to zeam launcher and have been exceedingly happy with it.
3 - i play a lot of snes games (via gameboid) and notice no poor performance. i recently got dungeon defenders and its running just fine as well. casual games like angry birds and game dev story work great as well.
i would recommend this phone to anyone.
I keep SetCPU set at 864 on demand and I have never had any stability problems and have really only gotten the phone unsettlingly warm when playing games, and due to on-demand scaling my battery life is the same if not better than stock. My only complaint about this phone (perhaps this is an individual case) is that the multitouch in games is terrible. Two player reactor/air hockey, games that require simultameous moving and jumping or shooting are often frustrating because both touches do not register correctly: the phone detects each touch, but continues to register after one finger has been removed. Unfortunately I have confirmed this with multiple sensor viewers and drawing apps, so it does not appear to be app specific. And again, this may be a problem that only my device is experiencing, but its important to keep in mind...
Ive had the Aria for a week or so now. I picked mine up on Ebay as a backup phone as my Nexus1 is out to HTC for repairs. I have CM6 on both my phones, and when OC'd to 806, I really dont notice any difference between the Aria and Nexus' snapdragon in normal operations. Launching any app is faster, and a tiny bit smoother on the Nexus, but the Aria is not that bad.
Im actually really enjoying my Aria, as the smaller form factor is nice. Most phones are getting bigger, but my hope is that HTC packs a snapdragon into one of these little phones.
I've just downloaded the nightly of CM7 and gonna try that out.
This is my first smartphone I got a real deal on like 40 bucks referbished. I've had it for a month and no problems. Its really quick even at normal clocked speed. The only time it ever slowed was when I was using a task killer took that off and its nvr worked better. In my opinion the aria is to small for games on most of the emulators the buttons take up most of the screen and multi touch isn't all that great. In my opinion I'd go with the aria over the iPhone Idk wat apples os is like but android is very promising its almost limitless
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Hello,
i am planning to buy a new smartphone. In the past i had some Windows Mobile Phones. The synchronising between Exchange and the smartphone was very good, but the performance and many "apps" are only for android, iphone or symbian, but not windows mobile
So.. i thought iphone or android. A friend of mine has a HTC Desire and he is satisfied with this device. But he suggested me to buy the follower device.
So i searched for the desire hd and found some pro and contras. I think the critical contras are:
- Device crashes very often
- Battery life (5h?)
- Difficulty to lift of the battery without destoing something
So i want to know what the archievements of the desire hd according to the desire are and if you would suggest me to buy the desire or the desire hd. And if you also discovered this contras.
I am not using wlan very often, i think, this is one of the features, that needs the most current...
Thank you for your help and sorry for my bad english
Best regards,
Selfarian
Depends what's best for you. The Desire HD is fast, and looks it, with its giant (although slightly washed out) screen. The desire is much prettier, although its processor is less efficient and older, using, some would say, 'outdated' technologies. Though it's not slow ;D The battery issues are with both phones, but are stretchable to a sufficient full day with a good ROM.In the end it's just about what matters to you - a beast of a massive screen with a powerhouse hiding behind it (with true multi-touch) Or an absolutely gorgeous phone with a smaller screen and performance to match (There are multi-touch issues- Best to read up on this, it could be vital in your decision.)
Good luck picking what works best for you
I agree with the post above. It all depends on what you need rather then the "best out there". Most comments on comparison, especially on a forum, are subjective.
With that said, the specs for the Desire and DHD are comparable. I own both and there are two things that make a difference; Screen size and type. I'm sure you know the differences between them from the research you have already made.
i havent experienced the crash problem to be honest, and battery life is about the same it was with my desire. the battery cover is poorly designed, and every time you take it off, you feel as if your going to brake it lol touch wood i hasne broke yet tho
Ok. Have you any experiences how long the battery lasts in both devices with "normal" use and with the stock rom?
My experience is, that the battery in a smartphone lasts for 1 Day... maybe 1,5 Days...
At the moment i think, the hd is the better choice, because of the speed and the bigger display... i made so bad experiences with "slow" smartphones... I don't like it, when i want to place a call and my windows fone mentions: "Sense is restarting..."...
Selfarian said:
Ok. Have you any experiences how long the battery lasts in both devices with "normal" use and with the stock rom?
My experience is, that the battery in a smartphone lasts for 1 Day... maybe 1,5 Days...
At the moment i think, the hd is the better choice, because of the speed and the bigger display... i made so bad experiences with "slow" smartphones... I don't like it, when i want to place a call and my windows fone mentions: "Sense is restarting..."...
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I'm on stock and 16 hours before reaching 30% is typical for me. I use 3G and tether devices quite a bit. Calls, games, texts and e-mail are used throughout the day with sync on 100% of the time.
I've noticed that 3G uses a lot of battery and an hours worth of usage can easily knock off 15% while standby takes 1%/hour.
Bottomline is that it can, normally, get you through a typical workday.
That sounds very good... It seems to be the same usage that i will have...
Ok... the first days, when the device is new and when i "have to" try "every" app from the marketplace, the usage will be much more ...
Selfarian said:
That sounds very good... It seems to be the same usage that i will have...
Ok... the first days, when the device is new and when i "have to" try "every" app from the marketplace, the usage will be much more ...
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Yeah, I think 6 hours with you trying out every aspect of the phone will be as far as you go during the first few days. We do tend to be a bit over eager with something new.
There is another difference between the two 'phones - the number of Apps which can co-exist. I'm currently using the Desire, and I'm increasingly frustrated at the space available (or, rather, not) for new Apps, and I have moved as many as I can to the SD card (thanks to Froyo). Every time there's a new update to be downloaded, I have to uninstall some Apps before I have enough spare space, then re-download them.
The Desire HD has three times as much App storage space, as far as I can understand.
(Edit) Next payday, I'm intending to purchase the Desire HD, unless there's something better comes out beforehand!
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There is another difference between the two 'phones - the number of Apps which can co-exist. I'm currently using the Desire, and I'm increasingly frustrated at the space available (or, rather, not) for new Apps, and I have moved as many as I can to the SD card (thanks to Froyo). Every time there's a new update to be downloaded, I have to uninstall some Apps before I have enough spare space, then re-download them.
The Desire HD has three times as much App storage space, as far as I can understand.
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This is an interesting point and very true. I completely agree.
Selfarian said:
Hello,
i am planning to buy a new smartphone. In the past i had some Windows Mobile Phones. The synchronising between Exchange and the smartphone was very good, but the performance and many "apps" are only for android, iphone or symbian, but not windows mobile
So.. i thought iphone or android. A friend of mine has a HTC Desire and he is satisfied with this device. But he suggested me to buy the follower device.
So i searched for the desire hd and found some pro and contras. I think the critical contras are:
- Device crashes very often
- Battery life (5h?)
- Difficulty to lift of the battery without destoing something
So i want to know what the archievements of the desire hd according to the desire are and if you would suggest me to buy the desire or the desire hd. And if you also discovered this contras.
I am not using wlan very often, i think, this is one of the features, that needs the most current...
Thank you for your help and sorry for my bad english
Best regards,
Selfarian
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Hi, I tried desire and dhd, decide to keep dhd, its just much better phone for longer term - offer a bit more for money, and htcsense.com in another plus...
iant54 said:
There is another difference between the two 'phones - the number of Apps which can co-exist. I'm currently using the Desire, and I'm increasingly frustrated at the space available (or, rather, not) for new Apps, and I have moved as many as I can to the SD card (thanks to Froyo). Every time there's a new update to be downloaded, I have to uninstall some Apps before I have enough spare space, then re-download them.
The Desire HD has three times as much App storage space, as far as I can understand.
(Edit) Next payday, I'm intending to purchase the Desire HD, unless there's something better comes out beforehand!
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Ah ok... so... the Apps can (normally) only be stored on the internal storage and not on the sd card?
- Device crashes very often
Really? Which OS do u use? No problem here using CM7
- Battery life (5h?)
Are u playing online game? Well, on standby mode i can have it for ~18+ hours with regular calls/sms.
- Difficulty to lift of the battery without destoing something
Play with the demo device before u do it to ur fone =)
DHD is worth buying and it has better GPU than D
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- Device crashes very often
Really? Which OS do u use? No problem here using CM7
- Battery life (5h?)
Are u playing online game? Well, on standby mode i can have it for ~18+ hours with regular calls/sms.
- Difficulty to lift of the battery without destoing something
Play with the demo device before u do it to ur fone =)
DHD is worth buying and it has better GPU than D
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I have no DHD, that are only some points, wich i read in some comments. So i just wanted to know if this are real problems (with the stock rom)...
ive been running the dhd since november 9th, and i can honistly say its the best thing since sliced bread, a couple of friends purchased the desire at the same time and they now look at mine in envy even though there is nothing wrong with thier phones.
The battery is not its stongest point, i listen to audiobooks all day at work and manage to get my battery down to 30% with calls and internet thrown in. But i also run juice defender that seems to make a massive improovement. There is also a thread about putting flash to on demand - ive just found this and currently testing so cannot comferm.
As for crashes, yes them machine was pretty buggy to start off with, but workaround and fixes have been done, ive found now since running leedroid my phone has been a solid as a pre 2000 nokia lol.
The covers on the battery and cards are a big let down, but tbh how often are you going to remove them?, unless your carrying extra batterys and cards around you will find that you wont remove them, i last removed my battery cover when i was rooting and flashing my phone originally in december. For the battery i carry around a zip charger which will 80% charge my phone if i need it, but this hasnt been used for about 2 months as well.
Ive never had a phone before that has impressed me to this degree, ive had the g1, moto milestone, wildfire (now the wifes) and the dhd - this is so far the only android phone i can see myself still using when my contract is up in 2 years.
This is how good the phone is, i sub to live prem football streaming site, and i watch all the games on my dhd - not though 3g mind you as the bandwidth is too low but on wifi its incredible.
now for getting an app that will make me a coffee......
I have had both phones. The screen on the desire is better...quite a bit better when you have them side by side. However for me, the HD is a better phone all round. I prefer the bigger screen. I was concerned about it fitting in my pocket, but I had nothing to worry about. More memory for apps, bigger screen, faster processor...easy decision for me.
I suggest you wait.. for the next batch of phones..
It is too late to decide on those 2 since their elder brothers are coming soon
Got the dhd. It rocked my world really. Battery can go anywhere between 12h(wireless, games, calls, music, surfing) and close to 48h with minimal but not zero usage. Has hd recording whereas desire does not. Bigger screen, aluminium build. Froyo by default, although i read something about the desire getting it too. Also i have to warn you, you will not let it out of your hands for some 10ish hours after you first open it. Only disadvantage you could have is the phone being too big for your pocket. Regarding crashes... never had one since i bought it. You should also consider the desire z if you're a casual phone user. Oh yes, the dolby audio enhancement + stock headphones = win
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Thanks for all the new suggestions.
Problem is now, my wife won't spent so much money for a mobilephone DAMN IT!!!!
My hope is, when the desire s (unsure if the name is right) comes out, the hd gets cheaper...
*hoping so much*
wid0w said:
Got the dhd. It rocked my world really. Battery can go anywhere between 12h(wireless, games, calls, music, surfing) and close to 48h with minimal but not zero usage. Has hd recording whereas desire does not. Bigger screen, aluminium build. Froyo by default, although i read something about the desire getting it too. Also i have to warn you, you will not let it out of your hands for some 10ish hours after you first open it. Only disadvantage you could have is the phone being too big for your pocket. Regarding crashes... never had one since i bought it. You should also consider the desire z if you're a casual phone user. Oh yes, the dolby audio enhancement + stock headphones = win
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The desire has HD Video recording and also had froyo before the DHD was even released. So i dont know what your chatting about..
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