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AMOLED vs LCD?

So apparently the "Samsung AMOLED" screens are being phased out because they cannot keep up with demand and they are replacing it with the "Sony Super TFT LCD" screen. I just ordered my incredible today and should get it in about a month
Am I getting ripped off with this other screen or is it still worth it? The only review I saw said the LCD is usually better in the sun, but worse on the battery. Not sure if resolution and clarity are the same. Probably won't get a good answer until the LCD Incs are out.

HTC isnt going to take a chance on the phone being less than "Incredible". You're not going to notice a difference unless you have another Incredible on hand to compare it to. Think of it as driving your own car, you'll never know that your buddies car is better than yours (stock) because it came with goodyear tires instead of michelins (or vice versa). The fact is that you're going to love the phone and you're going to love it even more when you can fully root and mod it to your hearts content. The whole screen "thing" is overblown media hype. I have a Droid and a dInc and to be honest the screens are beautiful on both and while the dInc has sharper, crisper colors unless I hold them side by side I always find myself toying with my wife's Droid because I love the battery life more.
Just remember to fully charge your dInc for four hours PRIOR to activating your phone or powering it on. So you can have 16 hours of use time (standby/talk mixed) as I was charging my phone three times a day for a little while.

They should just replace it with the Super AMOLED Display. I would rebuy an incredible for that.

Bxsteez said:
They should just replace it with the Super AMOLED Display. I would rebuy an incredible for that.
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+1 good sir

if the new sony display is superior to the current samsung amoled one, HTC should let us send ours back to have it replaced either for free as part of the warranty or a small fee for the replacement, I would definately have mine replaced if I was given the option. ( assuming that the new sony display is better of course) I love the colors on the amoled screen but hate not being able to see the display in sunlight unless I turn the backlight all the way up.

from my understanding the shortage on AMOLED displays is bc samsung is being greedy with them for their own phones. doubt they will give the better screens to HTC if this is true.
assuming htc can fix the underlying problems with the amoled version (grounding, charging, etc), you might want to hold on to your version very tightly.

jitajt said:
if the new sony display is superior to the current samsung amoled one, HTC should let us send ours back to have it replaced either for free as part of the warranty or a small fee for the replacement, I would definately have mine replaced if I was given the option. ( assuming that the new sony display is better of course) I love the colors on the amoled screen but hate not being able to see the display in sunlight unless I turn the backlight all the way up.
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Absolutely not. There are using the lesser Sony screens because they cant get the Samsung AMOLED screens fast enough, NOT because the Sony ones are better.

Absolutely not. There are using the lesser Sony screens because they cant get the Samsung AMOLED screens fast enough, NOT because the Sony ones are better.
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- GrandMasterB
I kindly disagree - if I can see Sony's display in sunlight, then it is superior even is some crispness is lost.

redifrogger said:
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I kindly disagree - if I can see Sony's display in sunlight, then it is superior even is some crispness is lost.
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I take my Incredible and its AMOLED screen with me on 4-wheeler rides 3-4 times a week and I can see the screen perfectly fine in direct sunlight. Is it as bright and visible as my Motorola Droid was? NO, but still very much usable.
Then combine that with the fact that the majority of my usage is indoors, as I would guess is the average users, then AMOLED is the clear winner. IMO
Different strokes for different folks.

I will take the AMOLED FTW since I use it indoors 95% of the time. It really is hard to make out in direct sunlight but I deal with it since it is so beautiful indoors.

Agree, amoled is amazing looking indoors, but either way I would still take this phone with or with out it.
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I just got a replacement for a defective Incredible. How can I tell what type of display I have?

marcmarshall said:
I just got a replacement for a defective Incredible. How can I tell what type of display I have?
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boot into bootloader and look at the build date, chances are you got an early build with the amoled screen, I am not even sure they started shipping the new ones yet, but I could be wrong. also if you bring it outside in bright sunlight and it gets hard to see then it is amoled. lcd is pretty easy to see in bright sunlight.

Incredible Screen type changed?

Ok, I just recived my second Incredible replacement after the first on had a light red to the white balance verses my original. This second has the same. I notice the contrst is a touch less then the original and the black doesnt seem quire as dark at time when compairing. Also one positive is that it seems a little brighter also thatn the original that I know us amoled. How can I tell if they switched to the Sony super tft display? Its not a huge deal just disapointing after getting used to the amoled. I personaly like that displays color balance better. Just want to knoe why these screens are different.
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Boss428man said:
Ok, I just recived my second Incredible replacement after the first on had a light red to the white balance verses my original. This second has the same. I notice the contrst is a touch less then the original and the black doesnt seem quire as dark at time when compairing. Also one positive is that it seems a little brighter also thatn the original that I know us amoled. How can I tell if they switched to the Sony super tft display? Its not a huge deal just disapointing after getting used to the amoled. I personaly like that displays color balance better. Just want to knoe why these screens are different.
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Im not positive how to tell if its changed or not but I do know that they did get rid of the AMOLED because of the shortages.

From what was announced only the nexus one and desire ee changed to slcd not the incredible.

My gf got a new replacement and hers has a purpleish tint to it when the brightness is low. A lot more noticeable then my phone. Looks like AMOLED though. The blacks are black.
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Kipphh said:
Im not positive how to tell if its changed or not but I do know that they did get rid of the AMOLED because of the shortages.
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HTC has publicly stated quite the opposite. The N1 and Desire switched to SLCD, but they have no immediate plans to switch the Incredible due to the change in the aforementioned two handsets alleviating the shortage.

htc was originally gonna switch incredible to SLCD, they never stated they WERENT gonna switch it due to affirmed Nexus and Desire switch though.

mb02 said:
htc was originally gonna switch incredible to SLCD, they never stated they WERENT gonna switch it due to affirmed Nexus and Desire switch though.
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HTC's statement, sent as a reply to htcsource.com...
"Because AMOLED supply is being relieved on other models, we currently feel we can meet demand of Droid Incredible with AMOLED screens. Of course we may need to change our minds and add sLCD screen models should demand continue to remain high.”
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http://www.htcsource.com/2010/07/ht...cd-displays-for-the-nexus-one-and-htc-desire/

Really in the end it doesnt matter because they need to drop the amoled screens and just go with the samoled screens

There is definetly a difference between my original and these 2 replacments. I still have the original incredible in hand to compair with the second replacment.
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Look closely at the pixels for the pentile arrangement, if the edges of straight lines look like dotted lines, its still AMOLED. A good place to see it is to pull down the notification shade, and look at the edge of the O where it says Ongoing, with the pentile matrix on the AMOLED screen you can tell the O is jagged and not smooth.

Was wondering this too, my little brother just got an incredible and it looks fine in sunlight like my evo when they are both at full brightness. I also noticed that like the evo, on HTC.com the type of screen is not listed, just says touch sensitive display. Just last week it said amoled. He just got the phone this past Wednesday, the hardware version is 002.

After many phonecalls and internet research I found out they did change the screen to slcd. The sku with vw2 notes this. The amoled defintly has a better color balance but if you did know this you might not notice. Shame I think I am sticking with my original even thought the switch can be flakey at times.
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002 is the normal amoled. BTW, VZW got a froyo build that listed "LCD support" in the change logs, so they are at least preparing for the switch in case it ever does come.
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I'm on 3rd (hope last) inc due to warranty issues. Second was brand new, but had to wait due to backorder in June.
This latest one was a refurb, but looks and acts like a new one. I had some initial concerns, though. Just like the earlier poster, this has a purplish tint on the grays when using a setting dimmer than about 50%. I may not have noticed it if I hadn't had the other ones first. It's noticeable, but something I can live with. In any case, the display is crisp and clear, and the effect goes away as the brightness is turned up.
Awesome phone; even better thanks to XDA forums.
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Kipphh said:
Really in the end it doesnt matter because they need to drop the amoled screens and just go with the samoled screens
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Too bad Samsung is holding those internally for up to a year in their own phones. By the time they release SAMOLED screens to other companies they've probably got something better already.

I don't worry about AMOLED vs sLCD because I got one of the engineering prototypes with AMOP technology (Active-Matrix Organic Plasma). Makes the production-run screens look like etch-a-sketch by comparison!
I'll be skruud if I ever brick it tho

Changing Screen

I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?

MrYuiM said:
I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd

noobdeagle said:
sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd
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LOL
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It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it

JamesBarnes said:
It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it
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changing the screen is one thing but the screens driver board would be different (unless its built into phone screens ?) not to mention the screen itself would probably require a different driver to run the display hence my point
you will have an amoled in a dhd but its unlikely that it will work unless you have the knowledge to do it all, but considering your asking the question im going to assume you dont

Haha I don't have the knowledge and it was just a thought, but maybe the pros at XDA can. As they say, nothing is impossible and Android is extremely open.

The software is open, hardware hacking is often somewhat more involved.
As i said its possible, but requires a huge amount of effort and skill, as pointed out by noobdeagle.
For all practical purposes it isnt possible, but given enough time, skill and equipment you could certainly do it, then again, thats true of nearly anything....
*goes off to build hoverboard*

Ok, sorry to bring a dead thread from the grave, but I just thought. If it were to be an (S)AMOLED, or SLCD etc, couldn't the drivers be gotten from ROMS from say the Galaxy S or another phone with that screen?

MrYuiM said:
I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.

I'm sure Samsung can manufacture them considering they're showing off prototypes of the worlds thinnest screen and thats transparent and measuring in at 5" i think it was Just a question of whether they want to or not :s

Amoled cant be found in the size of 4.3inch thats why HTC had to go with S-LCD Super amoled can only be found in the size of 4Inch

The DHD has an S-LCD? Is there anyway to check that?

Google it
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Google it
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I have, it appears it does. But the keyword "desire" is littered with normal Desire threads.

I have read S-LCD everywhere on Google
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Dhd have slcd
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jokies said:
Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.
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Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.

xp79 said:
Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.
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Fair enough and the most intelligent answer yet. But, you say shortages, I remember the shortages a while ago but what about the new Nokia they're amoled and so are some others
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The AMOLED shortages caused Samsung to charge an increased price for AMOLEDs, people think this was to make AMOLED more unique to the Galaxy range of phones but nobody knows 100%.
The "Nokia AMOLED" thing I have no idea about, Nokia have no gain in the SLCD Market or the AMOLED market that I know of but I do know they only recently dropped the nHD screens in there phones though. Maybe they brought them while the phone was in production earlier in the year?
In my opinion half the reason for HTC choosing SLCD for the Desire Z/HD was because of them having AMOLED and SLCD Desires and nobody bringing a worthy mention to the matter.

Fair enough. Guess we'll see what Samsung have next. They developed amoled 2 I think which rivals the iPhone retina display.
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Amoled or super lcd?

I heard that only at first Htc used Amoled display for Legend, and later on Super lcd. How to check the type of our scrren (display)?
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read the specs on back of the white box the legend was in

I just know about AMOLED Devices.
The switch from AMOLED to SuperLCD has been done at the Desire and as far as I know not on the Legend

I am very satisfied with display on Legend. Is there any significant difference (better or worse) with S-LCD?

well i compared it with a SLCD htc desire and i think the AMOLED is much better

Legend only uses AMOLED anyway, don't worry about it

S-LCD almost the same that amoled, only maybe contrast have some little difference
if i'm not mistaken

s-lcd
Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire

jul644 said:
Super LCD is much nice when reading text and websites AMOLED is better for watching video,
SLCD is much sharper but isnt stand out bright and over saturated like AMOLED which is fuzzy and soft around sharp corners like text
look here and it shows you actual pictures were you can see the difference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Desire
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Note though that the Desire AMOLED had a PenTile arrangement which seems to account for the marked difference in the shift to SLCD. The Legend's AMOLED screen uses a conventional RGB arrangement so probably wouldn't have suffered the same comparisons had it also moved to SLCD.
This page has a good breakdown of the differences.
http://jtra.cz/stuff/android/htc/desire-vs-legend/display/index.html

Yes, you are all right. I have bought desire z and I can see the difference. S-lcd is much sharper, but amoled has much better contrast - black is really black
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Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...

kyomity said:
Some webshops often say that the black HTC legend is equiped with LCD and the silver one with AMOLED. My collegue has a black one, I have a silver one and both have amoled.
You can easily see the difference when you tilt them. Amoled's colors almost don't change (even if you're almost at 180°), LCD's colors go weird...
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Oh, Thanks ! Is that the simple way to tell ?
My new Virgin Mobile Canada Legend's box says AMOLED but I think the box is lying. Wonder if I can sue somebody, LOL, jk. I guess HTC may be at partial fault too since their spec page claims AMOLED: http://www.htc.com/www/product/legend/specification.html
I recall some article quoting an HTC rep saying the "backward" move to LCD would save power, but then tests (and common tech sense?) showed that was a lie. I originally was disappointed at the loss of AMOLED, but from what I've read though, I'd prefer LCD if given the choice, simply due to the better legibility. On the down side, LCD takes more power, doesn't have the deeper blacks and colors, and may be a bit harder to see in the bright outdoors.
Bell supposedly dropped the Legend because of the AMOLED supply issue. AFAIK all of the later (after last summer or there-abouts ?) Legends are LCD. Would be nice if we could tell via serial numbers or something.
My Legend's colors start going weird somewhere around 170 degrees or so (just a rough guess). So I guess I have LCD ?

You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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You could also take a cheap microscope and look at the screen. The difference is startling. Amoled will be made up of a lot of lines, more red than blue (I think). LCD would look completely different
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With the screen on and white, right ? I tried this with a jewelers loupe and see lines about twice as high vertically as horizontaly (with the phone speaker up and mike down). It looks like there are thin red lines and thicker green lines that are somewhat blue-ish.
Would there be any difference in device drivers loaded ? I see a driver in dmesg with "oled" in the name.

This microscope diagnostic method will not work on Legend and it has an RGB matrix - the Desire LED had pentile matrix.
All you have to do is display a mostly black screen (the android settings menu is a good example), find a dark environment and look at the display. An SLCD will seep light from black areas where an LED will be an almost perfect black.
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i have legend with amoled my friend have desire (i guess it lcd)
i can notice his display has slight better screen in the menu like smoother or something but on the legend view aspect is higher than on the desire....
both of them are good

Does anybody prefer AMOLED to LCD? (Why does everybody prefer LCD?)

I've never used an AMOLED screen until I saw the Galaxy S4 but it does look really nice and the blacks are unbelievable. However, almost every reviewer and person I talk to says how AMOLED is garbage and that LCD is by far better.
Does anybody actually prefer AMOLED to LCD?

Well... everyone in this forum lol.
AMOLED is better since it can be set to look like LCD (color-wise). LCD can't be like AMOLED no matter what.

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Well... everyone in this forum lol.
AMOLED is better since it can be set to look like LCD (color-wise). LCD can't be like AMOLED no matter what.
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Yeah, but the lines in amoled - miura, is a pain in the ass.
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Ask sony, panasonic, LG and samsung why push OLED TV and why those TV are so expensive when compare to LCD TV

As of right now, I'm not really that impressed with the S4's screen after coming from the HTC One. I'm hoping there's some mods on here that will change my mind because it might be the deciding factor as to whether or not the S4 is my daily driver or backup phone.
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As of right now, I'm not really that impressed with the S4's screen after coming from the HTC One. I'm hoping there's some mods on here that will change my mind because it might be the deciding factor as to whether or not the S4 is my daily driver or backup phone.
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I love amoled but the burning pixels issue is very bad

qazmed said:
I love amoled but the burning pixels issue is very bad
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Don't tell me what that is because I haven't noticed it yet.
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I'm an AMOLED guy. Love those displays. My One S has one, my Note 2 had one and now my Galaxy S4 has one. The colours of those displays are awesome. Only disadvantage is the brightness. On very bright day it's hard to see something on an AMOLED
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It's all a fad, back when flip phone screens were all TFT everyone prefered the OLED screens that nokia used in their devices. I personally find LCD screens dull and boring in comparison to AMOLED screens.
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