So 8GBs of internal memory just there for Apps and stuff?
Can i like transfer some of my shz from the Ext. Memory card to the internal one? cuz 16GBs(14gbs actually) of movies would come in handy. and id prefer to have my 3GBs of music internally for more space on my ext. mem.
You cannot access the internal 8gb of space for personal use. You can only access the SD card. I havent rooted my Droid X yet so Im not sure if doing that would grant you access to it though.
Also. It appears at ~14gb because:
The difference in capacities is due to two different methods for defining what exactly the prefixes mega, giga, tera mean. In the computer world, these prefixes have different meanings depending on what exactly you are talking about. Hard drive manufacturers report the size of hard drives using the decimal definition of these terms (10^6, 10^9, 10^12 resepctively), whereas operating systems and other software use the binary definition of these terms (2^20, 2^30, 2^40).
As you can calculate, these values are close, but not exactly the same. 10^6 is 1,000,000, but 2^20 is 1,048,576. Once we get to larger hard drive sizes, the difference really becomes noticeable.
One gigabyte in binary is 1,073,741,824 bytes (2^30), but in decimal it’s only 1,000,000,000 bytes (10^9), which is a difference of 73,741,824 bytes (~70MB). So, when we're talking about storage size in gigabytes a hard drive's capacity as reported by the OS will be about 7% less than what is advertised by the hard drive manufacturer.
One solution to this is to talk about computer storage using Binary Prefixes so that there is no confusion about the exact amounts being talked about. In that system, a Gibibyte (GiB) is always 2^30 exactly. But, I wouldn't expect storage device manufacturers to adopt this method any time soon.
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Well ig ot my Droid X Rooted, so is theere like an App or something dat will let you transfer it on there?
or like some type of method like ADB to push a folder of your stuff directly on the Internal memory card?
Possible?
Waste of time?
One man only thinking this so eff his needs?
Root explorer will let you accomplish what you seek, just need to be rooted
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Root explorer will let you accomplish what you seek, just need to be rooted
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Thanks! someone who knows wat i needed!
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As with any capacity expansion tools, they all work using compression and the trade off is reduction in speed, with the Universal already being a little on the slow side I think I would rather be more carefull in what I do and don't install than suffer an even slower device.
Just my thoughts...
As far as I know the storage on Pocket PCs is already compressed by the OS. You will not gain anything by compressing this again, it may rather have the opposite effect.
I think he was referring to SD cards not the internal memory, the SD memory is not compressed by the OS AFAIK.
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I think this is something similar...http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=22364
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can you give us some realworld numbers? how much data do you have on your card? how much has it been compressed, new free space, etc? reminds me of MSDOS's doublespace
I read that the compression only works when the card is inside the Universal; what happens when you load stuff straight onto the card using a card reader?
Ok...it says 5.8GB...but I highly doubt that you can put 5.8GB of JPEG or DivX AVIs on it...they just don't compress so well (they already are...in a way). Then, my question is, what else will I put on my SD card that'll need more space that 2GB isn't already enough?
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hahaha...ok...you got me right there...never thought of that
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As above, does this use a compressed volume (like doublespace), compress to archived files (eg zips) on the fly, or something else? I'd be interested to see what happens when you put it in a card reader, but frankly given the low (relative) CPU power of the devices, and the relatively low price of memory, better buy a bigger sd card for $40, then slow down your $1000 phone any more.
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People saying the internal memory is faster and that swapper can lessen the life of your SD card. Is it possible to create the swap file on the internal memory?
I'd be willing to try it out if someone can tell me what path to use.
See, nice thing about wearing out your sdcard is that when its worn out, you simply pop it out and replace it with a new one. If you wear out the internal memory, then you take the whole phone and chuck it in the trash can. I personally would rather to wear out the sdcard than the internal memory.
What would be real nice is an sdcard with a chunk of RAM on it that can be mapped as a swap. Its kind of surprising that nobody makes such a device yet, I'm sure that a 16G flash + 512M RAM would be a real hot seller. It would revolutionize mobile devices.
Ummmm correct me if I am wrong but the swap file is to extend the memory of the phone. If you are using part of the phones memory as a swap file it is kind of redundant.
Actually the life of normal sdcard is quite long (1000000 read/write cycles? more?) and internal flash memory even longer, so why are you scarying him that it'll destroy his phone?
The 1 million cycle number that you suggested is really not that long, especially when you're talking about swap/memory usage.
Its not that high though... more like 10 thousand for a cheap chip, 100 thousand for a good one.
Using internal memory for swap WILL destroy it... QUICKLY. This isn't a matter of trying to scare someone, its a matter of fact -- this is simply something that you REALLY do NOT want to be doing.
@jady: You should hit wikipedia and do some reading about the differences between RAM and EEPROM, and also look up the purpose of SWAP.
this is one of those topics that I am genuinely curious about, because on the surface, I can't wrap my head around how A2SD could be useful on a phone with 2gb of [usable] rom. what's more of a hoot to me is that people usually set up a 1gb ext partition for storage... which is less than the phone has internally... so what did that accomplish?
additionally, with the decent amount of ram we have, swap doesn't seem like it would do much good... maybe on sense? I don't know.
it's just interesting to me that, on paper, the vision has no use for a2sd, and yet it is even built in to several custom roms that were developed specifically for the vision. HMmmmmMMmMmM.
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i never got that either... the idea of swap always worried me ... so whats the deal with A2SD really?
I take out you guys haven't seen the size of some of the newer apps on the market?
I see it as, why not? It's a feature we should be able to use.
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Ummm...Maybe it's because I'm not a frantic app downloader, but I have not had a problem that I would need A2SD. I have the apps I need Stock, weather, social networking, Google Earth, some games on the side and etc. and I still have 0.96 GB free, so really A2SD is not greatly needed unless your Android device is your gaming device, and even then it would be hard to fill up.
I did a little looking on the market, and I found about the top game in space would be 29m which I assume is mb. This is one of the best developed games graphics wise that I see on Android, and I would need this app downloaded a lot of times to fill up my space which is not going to happen because I don't need a lot of of those types of those games on my phone at the same time, and on top of my other games.
If the developer feels like maintaining it for the G2/DZ then go ahead not my place to stop it, but really not needed anymore
I actually use my EXT partition. I have quite a number of games on my phone and the 2GB A2SD partition helps (out of 2.01 Titanium reads, I've got 1.12 free and my internal storage has 1.16 free).
Plants vs zombies is over 70mb.
You have a massive sd card, why not have the freedom to put what you want on there. It was added to froyo for a reason, why remove functionality?
When that 1gb app that makes pancakes for you comes out, you'll be wishing you could move it to your sd.
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Froyo is general could be for lower end phones which do not have as much internal space and we are talking about the Vision, and if a phone starts making decent pancakes the tech that we would have would not need A2SD, and it would not be a phone...it would be my cook.
And even still you would need multiple games like that to fill up my internal space.
Like I said, not needed, but if the developer feels like maintaining it, it's not my job to get in the way.
Nospin said:
Plants vs zombies is over 70mb.
You have a massive sd card, why not have the freedom to put what you want on there. It was added to froyo for a reason, why remove functionality?
When that 1gb app that makes pancakes for you comes out, you'll be wishing you could move it to your sd.
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Actually, I CAN (and do) use the Froyo/GB A2FAT option. PyroMod doesn't restrict its users to just using the EXT partition.
And speaking of massive SD cards, Kingmax boasted last month that they created a 64GB card. How much do you think THAT would cost?
Some games take hundred of megabytes
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Some games take hundred of megabytes
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Dont most of them games go automatically to the sd card anyways?
In general, would the system load an app faster off the internal storage or off an sd card? I'm assuming the internal memory. Like others have attested, i have 58 apps and still got about 1 gig of memory free. A2SD can be useful for some, but for the masses, it's not necessary on our phone. And any apps that are HUGE go to the sd card automatically anyways(as in they create their own folder and put the bulk of the files on there).
Lets not forget there is two different A2SD methods. The old school method of going to an EXT partition, and the built in one with froyo and on that goes on the regular fat partition. And then in a way there is a third, which is what i just explained, where no matter where you set your install location, it puts the bulk of it's file in a folder on the sd card(it's own folder, not .androidsecure).
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I'm just wondering if the type of flash memory used for onboard storage (the 16 or 32GB memory) can wear out over time, or if they last so long that it really shouldn't be a concern? Is the max read/write cycle something to be concerned about?
If you transfer data to the tablet frequently (via downloading from cloud), is it better to use the micro-SD or the onboard flash?
Just a theoretical question I guess. If flash memory lifespans are anywhere close to a couple years, this gives tablets with removable micro-SD a big advantage.
On magnetic hard drives, you could block out bad sectors if they wear over time. Is this done with flash memory?
Thanks for your opinion.
coachclass said:
Hi,
I'm just wondering if the type of flash memory used for onboard storage (the 16 or 32GB memory) can wear out over time, or if they last so long that it really shouldn't be a concern? Is the max read/write cycle something to be concerned about?
If you transfer data to the tablet frequently (via downloading from cloud), is it better to use the micro-SD or the onboard flash?
Just a theoretical question I guess. If flash memory lifespans are anywhere close to a couple years, this gives tablets with removable micro-SD a big advantage.
On magnetic hard drives, you could block out bad sectors if they wear over time. Is this done with flash memory?
Thanks for your opinion.
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Yes, it can wear out, and generally *much* quicker for any given sector than with magnetic media. That said, flash manufacturers know this, and build wear-leveling features into their firmware to account for it. For most people, it's unlikely to be an issue inside the life of the tablet, but it depends how you use it. If you keep the internal memory almost full, the wear-leveling algorithms don't have much room to work with, and you can kill the few remaining sectors much more quickly.
Burn out.....no unless it is hit with a powerful shock.
Now if you meant WEAR OUT.....then yes it can do that.
Two completely different things.
coachclass said:
Hi,
I'm just wondering if the type of flash memory used for onboard storage (the 16 or 32GB memory) can wear out over time, or if they last so long that it really shouldn't be a concern? Is the max read/write cycle something to be concerned about?
If you transfer data to the tablet frequently (via downloading from cloud), is it better to use the micro-SD or the onboard flash?
Just a theoretical question I guess. If flash memory lifespans are anywhere close to a couple years, this gives tablets with removable micro-SD a big advantage.
On magnetic hard drives, you could block out bad sectors if they wear over time. Is this done with flash memory?
Thanks for your opinion.
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I was just reading an article about IBM engineers creating a new type of non volatile memory that was better and faster than flash...I won't get into here, but in that article it also talked about the limitations of flash memory.
They said that regular flash memory has a 3,000ish write life span, commercial grade flash has about a 30,000 write life span. My guess is that is per sector or block or whatever they were not specific. In the article they equated the 3,000 write span to 3-5 years of regular consumer use.
I just put an SSD in my desktop at home and did a little research.
Most flash chips can withstand hundreds of thousands of write cycles per sector, but they do still do wear leveling.
Most of the time, you won't write too much stuff to a flash drive. However, in the presence of swap space, it can get written to quite a lot. My box now only has 2GB RAM, and I'm sure it's swapping a bit to the SSD, but I'm not worried since I'll be upgrading in a month or so, and will bump the RAM way up, and will use an OS that supports wear leveling.
Anyway, I don't think it will be much of a problem for a tablet. Most of the data on it will be pretty static, and I don't think they will do much swapping.
Digiguest said:
Burn out.....no unless it is hit with a powerful shock.
Now if you meant WEAR OUT.....then yes it can do that.
Two completely different things.
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You mean, if he means the exact words he used in the first sentence of his post? Yes, he used different wording in the subject line, but it was clear what he meant.
I've tried looking around at some technical descriptions of how Android works.
I still don't know how Android handles memory. I can't imagine it using the flash memory for swap space if the working memory required goes over the 1GB ram. The forum member who is upgrading his PC soon - I hope you upgrade your RAM really soon! Using SSD as swap space seems really hard on it.
I also don't really understand how Android handles closing of programs.
That's probably the biggest difference between the windows desktop experience and Android. In windows, you close the programs. In Android, it may or may not close when you use another program...who knows.
I suppose the idea behind Android is less task focused...if you're not using it, you probably don't need it?
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I suppose the idea behind Android is less task focused...if you're not using it, you probably don't need it?
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I think it's just the opposite. That's what I've read.
Um, if your phone's NAND flash memory haven't worn out over the time you've used it. I don't see how it'd differ with a tablet. The life expectancy of the NAND flash used (probably MLC to cut down cost), will last longer much longer than you'll ever use it for. Heck, it'd last for at least 5 years under normal use if you use it with Windows 7. If it is Android (which barely writes anything under normal usage), it'll last at least twice as long. And yes, Android do swap when needed. You notice this when the tablet is super slow and unresponsive when running out of RAM (using a torrent app like ttorrent). It'll swap to the NAND flash and keeps doing so hogging all the cpu cycles making the tablet really slow.
How do i liberate that space? i tried wipe everything with twrp and still couldnt liberate space, how can i do it?
devianzel said:
How do i liberate that space? i tried wipe everything with twrp and still couldnt liberate space, how can i do it?
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(To oversimplify it) Of that 8gb, X amount is reserved for the android OS and cache, Y amount is reserved for apps and such with 4.7gb being the usable remainder. There isn't a massive amount you can do to change that really, custom ROMs can free up some but not huge amounts.
On top of that j3 emulates it's internal sd from the leftover space in data. So if your not wiping that you could be missing out
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(To oversimplify it) Of that 8gb, X amount is reserved for the android OS and cache, Y amount is reserved for apps and such with 4.7gb being the usable remainder. There isn't a massive amount you can do to change that really, custom ROMs can free up some but not huge amounts.
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I've found LOS seriously affected space for me
Darth_revan_returns said:
I've found LOS seriously affected space for me
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Really? Since using my M-SD card as internal I've had zero issues with storage. I have 4/5 space hogging games installed alongside a gig or two of smaller ones, 4/5 GB of music and books and whatever hadn't copied to One Drive lately sat on the phone with a 16gb card and I still don't see any sluggishness yet.
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Really? Since using my M-SD card as internal I've had zero issues with storage. I have 4/5 space hogging games installed alongside a gig or two of smaller ones, 4/5 GB of music and books and whatever hadn't copied to One Drive lately sat on the phone with a 16gb card and I still don't see any sluggishness yet.
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Mine is really slow so I can't use it as internal for now.. but I have 3 huge games on the rom whereas with tw I couldn't put more than 1 big app even Snapchat have me issues. I've found I haven't needed to change it to internal haha
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Mine is really slow so I can't use it as internal for now.. but I have 3 huge games on the rom whereas with tw I couldn't put more than 1 big app even Snapchat have me issues. I've found I haven't needed to change it to internal haha
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If you're UK based go to Wilkos, you can pick up a 16gb class 10 for about £8.
Wulfie217 said:
If you're UK based go to Wilkos, you can pick up a 16gb class 10 for about £8.
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Africa?????