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This topic seems to get little attention here in the forum and im sure alot of people are interest in it. 8)
As posted here before, WM2003PE support MIDI and polyphonic ringtone, a very cool feature
This is interesting because as far as i know, the XDA's sound hardware is a simple 44,100/16bit DAC. not like the PC souncards which has a chip for FM tone generator or wavetable DSP.
In order for the XDA to play MIDI, there has to be some software part which does that.
There are 2 types of software that can do that. the first one is based on a set of audio samples which are stored in memory and mixed in a different pitch to make music, this method makes a good quality music and uses a relatively low CPU time. but it need alot of memory to store the samples.
And as we know, memory is a precious resource in our PPC, so this method is likely not to be used.
the second method is to produce the music using a software FM synthisizer. this means creating sound waves using mathematical procedure and doesn't need extra memory but uses alot of CPU and music quality is low.
if anyone of you gurus has toyed with this cool feature of WM2003 and can light up the subject, e.g what method is used and how does it sound, what is the size (if there is any) of the sample file.
just a though ... 8)
SoniC
Hi,
Anybody know how to use MIDI Ringtone on XDA ? What software we need or may be somebody has ring tone colection (like default on PPC 2003 : Terresterial, Mystic, Fantasy, etc) want to share.
Thanks in Advance
Sandy.
yeah any ideas anyone?
I saw some people were doing it.... wondering how
thanks
I remember reading a thread about it somewhere. There was program you need to use to save the midi file in a ringtone compatible different midi format.
I don't understand, one of the features and options that makes our phone unique is the choice of WAV ringtones, It always turn heads when my phone rings. And now with WM2003 is even better, since supports WMA, hence better quality. Why in the world would you want a $500 phone, sound like a cheap Nokia?
If you want choice?. there are plenty of ringtones in my website. If you want to save space in your ppc, convert it to a WMA
my .02 cents
Actually.
If it were a midi file and the soundbank (instruments) were good midi files would sound great. AND they would be tiny.
The issue I had / have with the XDA is how quiet the ringtones are if the WAV isnt normalized or properly created.
Furthermore..
WAV files that are clipping (louder than 0db gain) make popping noises when played back. So there are numerous reasons.
It is compelling that you can have a WAV file.. but..
personally, I think an MP3 is a better idea for WAV ringtones and a midi file is a much smaller foot print.
BTW.
I now have a Sony Erisson T610
beautiful screen and colors..
The XDA isnt very pretty....
The T610 has great sounding ringtones. Way better than the Adlib sound card you remember from Midi in the past.
Thats my 34.87 worth.
BeDammit!!
Microsoft finally paid them off....
http://www.beincorporated.com/
anyone can recommend a good WAV to WMA converter??
Bedammit said:
.....personally, I think an MP3 is a better idea for WAV ringtones and a midi file is a much smaller foot print.
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.....Windows Media Audio (WMA) is smaller and sound better than an MP3. and again, Windows Mobile 2003 supports WMA ringtones, so you can have high quality ringtones, without the hefty memory requirements of a WAV.
just FYI, you guys DID know that there is a SEARCH button function in this forum, all those questions that you guys are making have been already answered.
Anyways, the easiest WAV-MP3-WMA converter is dbpowerAmp which can convert back and forth pretty much every format there is out there. and pretty easy too and FREE.
again, you might want to do a search,..for converter
and for a program to use midi files ?
*raises an eyebrow and smiles at him meekly*
I did try a search for "midi ringtone" AND "midi 2003" to see if I could find the solution but all I got was ... how do I do this... how do I do that... why wont 2003 play midi ring tones.. so I added my question to the bottom of one of those... maybe the forum should have a read only section called F.A.Q ???
btw... the main reason I want to use midi is for what bedammit was saying...
1. mp3s would be god for ringtones... but someone (IE microshaft) wont support the standard (Shocker)
2. midi files are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy smaller than mp3 or wav and so I can fit far more dodgy tones than any current nokia brick.
3. midi files are fantastic for notational purposes outside an XDA... also with a decent set of sound banks (that o/b manufacturers cant include because of cost) you get extremely realistic quality... Sblive plat is what I use the now but if you get a turtle beach or something more than an off the shelf quazi soundcard then you will *NOT* be able to tell the difference. Unfortuantly like many things in life, these superb boards are being priced out of the market because people don't realise they only get what they pay for !.
4. wav is pish as far as signal to noise ratio goes.... so much of those many mbs is just noise and nothing more... you wanna pay $500 for that?
5.WHY THE HELL would anyone pay $500 for a phone that has the pishest speaker on earth integrated in the first place? I dont know... I did...you did... we ALL did... headphones are fine.... but the speaker sucks '.'
6 WHY THE HELL pay $500 for a phone your going to fill the fast flash memory up with wma/wav ringtones (remember how slow it is reading from SD) most multiple ringtone progs dont work correctly unless all tones are in flash. Maybe that's why MS 'forgot' to put it into 2002PE ?
7. talk about quality and then mention WMA ? that's an oxymoron if I ever heard one LOL
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1862&highlight=midi
ahhhhh Greg, yir a hero
6 instruments eh? bleh....
must be too expensive also to add real midi playback on your $500 phone lol...
god you can emulate an AWE32/64 on a PC these days yet Microsoft dont know how to store more than 6 voices on a $500 phone. What value for money :roll: you can buy a pci soundcard with 128 voices for £20...
that other link to www.acoustica.com seems interesting... I'll give that a go when I have time
although if I was doing it that way I'd be as well using WMP9 on 2k3EE.
Go for wma if you have to guys coz MS really dont have a clue what midi is.
cheers, again Greg
Ian.
The dispensing of Crack on Xda-developers
Attn:
It appears that crack is being dispensed on XDX-DEvelopers.com.
Reports have been issued that an un-named source from Miami has stated that MP3s are better sounding than WMAs.
As an audiophile and a music producer.. I can tell you that this is a difficult question to answer without defining your basis for comparison. However...
To solve this now...
Most MP3s are encoded with an older compression codec than WMA 9s WMA codec (assumming that is your comparison for WMA if it isnt... well all bets are off previous versions of WMA are not as high in quality as many mp3s). Low bitrate MP3s (as in mp3s below 128kbs) are better in quality in many circumstances, but most people dont encode or download low bitrate for fidelity reasons.
Furthermore... your choice of player has a role in all the confusion. So make sure you ARENT using an older player/ decoder.
So..
Go out get yourself some good speakers AND headphones and test it yourself.
Make sure you have a NEW MP3 encoding codec from a reputable encoder.
Like hmmm LAME running on say.... CDex.
Next go get a good mp3 player (Sorry folks... I cant say Windows Media player is going to play fairly EVER, as they had OS's to sell.
Try Winamp.
http://lame.sourceforge.net/links.html
http://www.cdex.n3.net/
http://ekei.com/audio/
http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/reviews/2606/7/
http://www.mp3-tech.org/tests/wma9/
Now.
Just say no to drugs and WMAs
Bedammit
read about MP3s
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565926617/flingerfcoman-20
fair enough... mp3 support out the box with Microsoft is pants... but then again the max is 96kbs is it not? wonder why... no anti competitive practices o fcourse... well why would that be possible ? you can pay MS an extra $20 and get 128kbs+
and yeah there are soooooooooooooooooooooo many better alternative players.. I like winamp personaly
It appears that crack is being dispensed on XDX-DEvelopers.com.
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so what you going to do ? sue XDA developers for providing a medium for users to copy/crack files on? I doubt that... its already been tried and the VCR companies won that one.
I dont see the XDA developers condoning piracy....
and anyways, newsgroups are so much better for that sorta thing *coff*
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Bedammit said:
Attn:
It appears that crack is being dispensed on XDX-DEvelopers.com.
Reports have been issued that an un-named source from Miami has stated that MP3s are better sounding than WMAs.
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hehehe, you guys are funny.
Nossie, I think he is reffering to the crack that you smoke, not the crack that you hack!
Ok, dudes, cool, to each its own, but we are talking about the tiny little speaker of the Xda!. I knew that the midis file were only 6 instruments, you guys want phone that can emulate AWE32/64????
NAME ONE PHONE that has that feature!.
You guys are making comparison between MP3, and WMA, yeah, in a regular, HI-FI speaker they might be a difference, but... ARE you planning to attach one to the itsy-bitsy XDA, just to hear a "HI-FI" ringtone???.
the only reason to choose WMA over MP3 or WAV, is for the size, which for a regular user sounds around the same each, but the WMA is smaller size.
another feature that the midi doesn't have is voices, and other real sounds, that only a WAV/MP3/WMA can make
Yeah, the midis are smaller, but how many midis are you planning to have? I have like 10 ringtones, and that's more than enough for me.
Of course, to each its own, if you like it.....go for it
anyways are guys planning to give a concert everytime the phone rings???
crack.. hehe...
reminds me or a girl in london.
Pants..
that too.
BTW ppl pants are underwear and if something is pants it sucks..
how strange.
Bedammit!
:lol: LOL
"And now with WM2003 is even better, since supports WMA, hence better quality. "
WMA better quality then wav hhhmmmm
that would be like saying that jpg looks better then uncompressed TIF's
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better quality compared to WAV....and smaller size
"better quality compared to WAV"
how would it be better quality then wav when wav is just raw sample data with a header telling if it's stereo, samplerate and number of bits ?
unless WMA support a higher bit resolution or samplerate
then it will be just another lossgiving noreflective transformation of sampled data like mp3 and ....
SIZE DARN IT, SIZE!
ok, tell me what you rather have, a 1MB ringtone in a WAV or a 100K Ringtone in a WMA
(now discuss with me that that is not the right number for the conversion)
for the Xda speaker phone, the ringtone would sound pretty much the same, the speaker of the XDA is a crappy speaker, a regular listener would not make a difference for it.
I guess I'm either deaf, or I am the only that has a crappy speaker on the phone, and your XDA phones came with HI-FI YAMAHA Surround sound speakers,and 10GB memory and you guys actually can tell the difference of the WAV/MP3/WMA on the phone.
In short, WMA is the best solution for saving ringtones on THE PHONE, is good enough quality and is reasonably small.
Remember guys, this is a forum for the XDA, not for the PC, so: there is no Winamp, no HI-FI Speakers, no lots of memory, no AWE32/64.
The comparison between the TIFF and JPG are not good, if you had to use your digital pictures and watch it ONLY in your camera (as the ringtone that you listen to it ONLY in the phone), you could use JPG anyways, and very little resolution, since the size of the little screen wouldn't matter to the eyes, (now you can dispute that you have not 20/20, but bionic vision, and that you see beyond human). If you were to make a ringtone, to use it in the PC, or some other hi-fi equipment, then yeah, all you guys comparisons will have avail, but again, the XDA speaker is not the best quality.
Hi
Can this be done....When in options I cannot seem to find the way to assign a specific ringtone to a specific number / contact and / or group.
Arjan
use ringtoneX from http://www.mtux.com. you can assign it to contacts and phone numbers
shareez
I agree Ringtone X is a lovely little application that let's you assign different tones by name, group, or number plus you can assign the default ringtone to specific numbers as well.
The current version can also play a variety of sound formats including midi, wma and wav.
Ed
you can also use a little very good freeware called PhonExt
http://phonext.oabsoftware.nl/
allow you to create and manage group ringtones and to assign personal ringtones to users.
can also be used for quick dialing with the today plugin.
Have Fun
B0b
Cyberb0b said:
you can also use a little very good freeware called PhonExt
http://phonext.oabsoftware.nl/
allow you to create and manage group ringtones and to assign personal ringtones to users.
can also be used for quick dialing with the today plugin.
Have Fun
B0b
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Does it support the usual PPC 2003 ringtone formats, of wav, midi, AND wma though mate first?
I tried PhoneExt and it doesn't seem to work in WM2003
I also tried Phonext on my i-mate. The ringtone assignment doesn't seem to work on pocket pc os. The search contacts function works fine.
Any opinion on this?
i m using phonext on my XDA2 win2003 for a long time and i have no problem at all. i previously used it on my XDA 1 under windows 2002 and 2003 and i never had problems
i store my .wav in the /windows/ring directory and assign in my contact the ringtone i want to be play.
I did not try with .mid or wma i only use small .wav files
it works just fine.
just one thing : make a shortcut of the phonext.exe and drop it in the window startup so the the application run when you reboot
Cyberb0b said:
i m using phonext on my XDA2 win2003 for a long time and i have no problem at all. i previously used it on my XDA 1 under windows 2002 and 2003 and i never had problems
i store my .wav in the /windows/ring directory and assign in my contact the ringtone i want to be play.
I did not try with .mid or wma i only use small .wav files
it works just fine.
just one thing : make a shortcut of the phonext.exe and drop it in the window startup so the the application run when you reboot
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wav wav wav...
Everyone keeps referring to wavs, but it seems no one is prepared to answer the question...
Does this application allow the normal PPC2003/WM2003 assignment of wma and mid files.
You and many others might still be using large wav files.
But the rest of us with WM2003 elect to utilise the much smaller and better quality wma files.
So asking yet again...
Does this application support wma files.
'Cos if the answer is no, it's usless to us.
So, anyone want to answer this time please folks?
well i can now answer to you now, i ve made some of a testing yesterday.
phonext only deals with wav, no wma nor mid files.
sorry dude
B0b
hhhmm better quality wma files as ring tones ?
yes mp3 and wma can be made to sound almost as good as a cd
but as a ring tone it's being played by the speaker of the xda
which is pretty low quality small speaker
it's pretty overkill
heck i bet you could take a wav file and make it mono and 8bit and changed the sample rate to 11Khz and would still be ok for a ring tone
that s how i encode my wav files, sounds good and quality is more than acceptable for me.
usually i got less than 150 K per ringtone for a 20 sec ring tone
Rudegar said:
hhhmm better quality wma files as ring tones ?
yes mp3 and wma can be made to sound almost as good as a cd
but as a ring tone it's being played by the speaker of the xda
which is pretty low quality small speaker
it's pretty overkill
heck i bet you could take a wav file and make it mono and 8bit and changed the sample rate to 11Khz and would still be ok for a ring tone
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Hi Rudegar mate.
I'm originally an Orange SPV E200 user...
Had this since October last year.
Done more tests between wav, and wma, than i would care to go into.
Modaco Smartphone website covers this issue to death, with loads of users chipping in.
The completely unanimous agreement?
WMA is the better file format to use, for the balance between quality and file-size.
Proven. Not speculation. But as ever, each is free to decide for themselves. All I am saying is that in a debate that has ALREADY ran for ages in relation to another device, the consensus is this conclusion.
Let me point out, that if you use a low quality wav, you can use wma to make an equivalent 'low' quality tone, but at a smaller file size.
If you want high quality wav, you can use wma to encode in VBR 320K, and get a superb high quality tone, but STIll at a smaller file size than a very high quality wav file.
So its entirely up to you what quality you opt for - all I am saying is that once you settle on the quality level you like, using a wma file at a generally equivalent quality will result in a smaller file size.
Not fish-wife's tale mate, accepted fact, hence why compressed file formats such as mp3 and wma are used the world over - a decent enough quality for audio, and much smaller file sizes.
The wma files that I use... they are 96K quality, around 40 seconds long each (took me ages to create my catalogue, but I've been doing this for a long time remember). They are all around 500K file size.
If I were to utilise wav files instead, to do them at a quality that was acceptable on the phone/XDA2, they would weigh in at around 2MB.
Shadamehr
with my wma encoder i have one handle which is bitrate
with a wav editor i have
sample rate
mono / stereo
16bit vs. 8bit
and Cyberb0b (even though i havent heard that 150K ring tone of his) have a 20sec ring tone as wav
personaly when i store music on my xda2 using wma i do it in 64K/b sec which is not the best quality for listening to music but it's be all means way overkill for playing a ring tone using the nonheadset speaker of my xda2
suppose it can in some ways be compared to
everybody know that jpg is better then bmp
but if i were to draw a picture in pain using black on the white
saving my picture as 2bit bmp is WAY better an option then saving it
as jpg
with screenshots in windows gif as a rule is a better format then jpg
and with these 2 examples i'm speaking both quality and size
I use wma 64 as ringtones and i will NEVER use wav..
and i can tell the difference between 64wma and 32wma through xda ii speaker.. this speaker is not total crap.. it's the best ive ever heard in a pocket pc/phone.. even when watching movies and clips i cant use anything less than wma 64..
IMHO more than wma 64 is useless(when using the speaker)
and less than wma 64 is noticeable (when using the speaker)
i suppose what one use as ring tone also mean a great deal
i mean if somebody use a song or their own voice yelling to pick up the phone
compared to one who found some ring tone like an old type of phone they once had and use that
or a dog barking or .......
Shameless plug.
I've some ring tones encoded in WMA available from my website.
Cheerio
Howard
it might be better with WMA, but i do not listen to my rigntones all day long, i just need a cool sound to recognise who is calling me in the daily noisy diturbance.
Usually i even use 4 or 5 sec repeting sound making wav no bigger than 20 or 40 ko as the sample file included.
i m sure wma is better, but i might use that to listen to music, i do not care my ringtones have or not a CD quality
and as far as phonext is the only free soft i have found to assign ringtones to contacts i ll continue this way.
maybe the developper of the app will release a new one including wma, i hope so....
if some one got a better free soft for assigning ringtones to contact and creating groups, i will follow
Rudegar said:
Shadamehr
with my wma encoder i have one handle which is bitrate
with a wav editor i have
sample rate
mono / stereo
16bit vs. 8bit
and Cyberb0b (even though i havent heard that 150K ring tone of his) have a 20sec ring tone as wav
personaly when i store music on my xda2 using wma i do it in 64K/b sec which is not the best quality for listening to music but it's be all means way overkill for playing a ring tone using the nonheadset speaker of my xda2
suppose it can in some ways be compared to
everybody know that jpg is better then bmp
but if i were to draw a picture in pain using black on the white
saving my picture as 2bit bmp is WAY better an option then saving it
as jpg
with screenshots in windows gif as a rule is a better format then jpg
and with these 2 examples i'm speaking both quality and size
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Rudegar,
Send me ANY of your wav file ringtones.
I'll encode them into wma audio, and the quality will be comparably the same (certainly no pronounced noticeable deterioration), and they will be smaller file size.
And that being the case, then why would anyone use wav that doesn't have to?
Why do you think it was such a sought after feature of WM2003 - wma tones?
To have tones of comparable quality, but at lower filesize.
Yes, of course its not a lossless compression format (though little known fact, neither is wav!).
But it IS a format that can be reduced in file size considerably, with virtually no noticeable difference in quality.
Audiophiles can supposedly tell the difference at the HIGHER end of the quality scale (though I have to admit I can't), but it was always accepted that at the lower end, no real difference could be noticed.
So, if you can save a tone in a two formats, either of which SOUND much the same, but one is a lot smaller file size than the other, which would you use?
well i dont have any ring tones well non that i use anyhow
i use a tone called dog bark which came with my rom
maybe cyberbob have one
and i never claimed that wma was bad
just that wav files need not be that big in size if one had to make due with them one could limit their size and not suffer
much in the way of quality when it came to ringtones
Is there any app that will boost the audio quality (for ringtone, music, movies etc)?
also I have another question, I tried the 'anyfolder ringtones' tweak, I did it correctly but somehow it still points out to windows/rings/ any ideas?
thanks
Not sure how you mean 'boost audio quality' because if you listen with headphones you find the audio quality of the wizard very good. If you want to play music with your wizard - there is a very good stereo docking station that does the trick. If you mean try to get a better sound out of the small stereo speakers - then a rom upgrade may help. I noticed an improvement and that why i have stayed with my current rom for now. Also you could try a graphic equalizer to help with the sound = i use the core pocket player . some hacks on the forum that claim to make the sound louder but not better i think!
As for the registry hack - a better solution i think is to place your rngtones in the storage card\my documents folder and they show up in the list of available ringtones
oh thanks for the reply, I appreciate that.
Yea I found that core media player has a built in g.equalizer which in my case doesn't work too well. The problem is the treble sometimes can be too high, or the bass wouldn't come out at all. I have the latest rom, or could it be the headphone? I use the one that comes with it.
About the registry hacking. It doesnt work for me. Yesterday I tried it for hours but it just doesn't work for me. I have to find the solution though cuz I don't want to put all the ringtones and wallpapers in the phone's memory.
Is there any app that can do it fast and easy for me?
Refer this thread.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41273&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
HTH,
Sid
I've had real problems with the volume of music on my HD. Max volume when playing music is fairly low/average. Max should be loud, it should make me want to turn it down.
I've also been very unsure on the quality of the music and what will give the best quality when playing music. Stock player? Stock player with EQ? Stock player with SRS? Stock player with Dolby? PowerAmp? PowerAmp with EQ?
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I did about an hour of testing using old ipod headphones and my Sennheiser CX870s.
I put the stock music player widget on the same screen as the PowerAmp widget so I could play one song on them both and pause the player on one and start the other to compare music quality and volume between both players with both headphones. I did this over and over with classical, techno and rock music. that
I don't feel like typing an essay but I can confidently conclude that no combination of EQ in either player or SRS etc gives the music on my HD enough volume.
I can also confidently conclude that music does sound better on the stock Desire HD music player with SRS than PowerAmp. No combination of EQ or preamp settings in PowerAmp sounded better than the stock player with SRS. At the same time though, the difference is not that great.
This is of course all my opinion with my ears and my cx870's.
One problem I've had with the cx870's is that they sound way to bassy with stock player SRS and PowerAmp with the EQ, but that is probably headphone related so not relevant to this.
I found that while jacking up the preamp in PowerAmp did help the volume, it also distorted it and somewhat ruined the clarity of the music. Plus the volume output was still not much better than the stock player with SRS.
^^ Interesting thanks very much for that... much appreciated... I still have to work out much needed replacement the the stock player. I was thinking of trying PowerAmp next.
By the way I have seen some volume raise apps or Android volume unlock that are supposed to help maybe a bit on other phone models have you tired or had any luck with any of them on the Desire HD? Definitely something I'm keen to find a fix to as well as it's not really acceptable IME to play a youtube video and have it too quiet for friends to hear ect.
Take care n good luck. Will post back it I find any good news before you do.
I was using Poweramp first but arrived to the same conclusion than Rogueblade. Stock player has a better sound definition than third party players : less distortion etc...
Do you really find it too quiet? I find mine on the brink of too loud when its on max - I generally have it a click or 2 under, and its loud enough to drown out the sound of anyone around me and the sound of the train.
using headphones i find SRS amazing, im using it even in my car even using the headphones jack
just tried an HD2 and desire next to the DHD, seriously people i don't get what the problem is, the DHD has a much clearer sound
i'm on OTA 1.72 by the way
Am I missing something not?!? I cannot see how it's possible to use the stock player as lets say I copy 2 CDs on to the SD card. When I go to access it though the stock player there is not 1 folder with CD1 and another folder with another CD2 there is just a mess of MP3 tracks and folders. Now that is just one double CD from one artist. I would not like to see what happens when I go and transfer a resonable size collection of my MP3s containing mutliple folders of CD's and live sets, each foldered under artist names and music styles.
Someone please explain it to me if I am wrong. Would I be right to say I need to use another player that specifically has a feature of search/display music by folders?
I find the volume on DHD good enough. I use the device for music in the car and always leave it around half way and fully cracked up on the stereo and it's loud enough.
While listening with headphones I find max too loud but the volume preference would differ from person to person. Also I find SRS gives a nice bass boost which is great.
Someone please explain it to me if I am wrong. Would I be right to say I need to use another player that specifically has a feature of search/display music by folders?
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Yes, the stock htc music application sorts music by artist, album, music and then you can also create custom playlists.
Have you tried winamp for android? If it's anything like the pc version it will perfect for what you need.