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okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere. I love to have a full Ubuntu running with WiFi at least. The Andriod and Ubuntu thread is overwhelmd with Andriod dev so here i go. If the Ubuntu developers for HD2 want to setup a thread of there own i would love it
Also read the first sticky Linux post for current info and files . Im not a developer just a user hoping for further development on Ubuntu, and i hope im not alone out there
My story so far:
I have used Ubunto now for a while with a USB hub with a mouse, keyboard, soundcard and external power. So far i found Ubunto to be a bit unstable. Feels like its easy to make it drop out. I have ended up with no startmeny and no computer icons, leaving me with just desktop pic and i have to press power/hangupp button to shut it down.
Also playing music in included music player is a bit shaky, sometime i dont get audio and need to change a couple of tracks to get it to play again.
BTW anybody have a password problem? If i want to change time as a example,i need to type a password and its not accepting "ubuntu"?
Also, anybody have managed to get landscape somehow? Would also be nice to get WiFi up and running, so if a dev has any ideas on possible updates on progress would be nice. I have no mobile usb dongle so i havent been able to try that.
So how your experience so far? Type away and lets at least share what we know.
Best regards from me.
ROM, latest NRG cookie dilink glass edition
Radio, 2,12,50
only ubuntu download link i found
gamesquare.co.uk/ubuntuh.html
wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
I would definitely be interested in running Ubuntu on my HD2 - it is the OS of choice for my desktop. Is there any bluetooth support at present? I have a BT keyboard / mousepad combo and that would make it very useable for me.
ok but if i don't have a keyboard for my phone and i want to use ubuntu .. i reallt can't use it ? is there any virtual keyboard ..?
Bluetooth and WiFi is currently not working, also no sound.
BUT there is built in usb support. I went to rhe cheepest electronic store and bougt a USB HUB that has its own power adaptor, also som USB cables and adaptors.
A regular pc keyboard, mouse, mobile internet dongle etc. Everything being USB can be used. And i also found in a drawer of mine a usb stick soundcard. So basicly as it is now, all works with some cheep usb tec, but as stated, i have no mobile internet so dont know if it works.I did get to borrow a dongle for like 5min and it found the internet supplyer etc so should work i guess.
Now i realise for some that they might go banana because they cant use Ubuntu without USB gadgets. But thats one reason to try to get the developers attention. If you get to connect some usb stuff(mouse being the least, no k-board if you want to just try it out, i belive you will get hooked on the idea and trying out stuff of your own. I find it fun connecting all old USB stuff i have lying around.
Next step is to add my 1TB usb drive, maybe get to watch some movies.
So, its Ubunto is its birth at least crawling. But with the full attention on Andriod it seems Ubuntu is getting forgotten, hence this thread, so they notice us, and while we wait, try it and report here in lack of space, only wish this could be a sticky or a seperat dev Ubuntu thread because, were drowning in the Android happiness going on.
I will keep testing its 0,1 beta further to se what makes it tick. But im no developer, just a concernd fan, but im having fun, so i report my findings, fun to be in the edge, or birth of something so comon, bring out the dea...ops, i mean bring out your USB gadgets and play, who knows, you might have fun as i.
..oh, sorry for missing one reply here. Found no virtual keyboard so far, this password thing is my biggest concern atm, its like admin rights i need.
Some touch screen implementation is in there, so you can use your fingers to move around and dubble tapp opens SOME stuff and menys. Not very presise but it works if your patient.
Heres a list of USB gadgets im using atm.
HUB: Plexgear, 4 usb ports + 1 data port (its where you plugin you HD2) + power adaptor (Incl in the package)
Mouse: A old Microsoft 2.0 wired mouse and a reaaally sheep wirless mouse, just tried if wireless mouse would work, and i can confirm it does.
Keyboard: A mini keyboard named Zippy with built in blue lights, got to type in style =)
Sound: A no name usb stick not much larger then the usb reciver for a wirless mouse. All it says on the stick is " USB Audio Controller. I belive i heard somthing they going for the amout of 17$ or somthing.
Harddrive: Tryed my 1TB drive, maybe its to large to get recognized or something, but i cant find it atm.
BTW Anybody have a small USB HD lying around they could test?
Nakazul said:
okay. since Android got it self a forum, i thougt we need a Ubuntu thread. I have no idea if this post belong here, but i belive it needs to be somewhere.
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'HD2 Android Development' naming is erroneous for that reason. I vote we rename the forum Linux and Android development.
-Most elementary progress is seated in the kernel - which has nothing to do with android in the first place. The kernel is Linux and not android.
-Android is not the only userland usable. As seen here there is ubuntu and other stuff.
edit: Find a thread discussing this issue here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654560
I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
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wow, talkabout being the only one wanting Ubuntu on my HD2. Sorry, wont ask again.
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cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
wangiles said:
dcordes, ur great man! love how the team actually progresses to achieve the current state.
just would like to ask issit possible, technically, to tap on gprs while running ubuntu? Was thinking bout it but not technically sure.
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you're welcome. yes that's possible I'm working on it as we speak.
speedwie said:
cant wait to boot up ubuntu on my hd2. But still cant even boot up with v0.1.
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Hmm, thats bad. I read the read me file and it booted up nicly. Are you using stock rom or somthing? What happent for you?
What i did was basicly just extract the folder "Ubuntu and copied it to storage card so the Ubuntu folder was in the root of the SD. First try i had no hub or mouse or anything connected just to se if it worked.
Im using latest NRG rom from 24th, cookie Dinik version with 2.12.50 radio, i have 575MB activated.
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I can fix you ubuntu 0.2 with wifi and all kinds of stuff soon.
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woooo, lovly, cant wait to try it out.
linux distro
wich linux distro would it be better for android?
i would say the ubuntu netbook remix
but thats only me...
i can't wait to use it, the kernel its almost done anyway (android), also wouldn't it be possible to swap between the 2 of them? (android and linux) i know you can with a piece of software change between gnome and kde or other in ubuntu, i already used it.
cheers
linux
in android you just can't keep up with the thread, speak of linux and nobody cares, ndo they know what we are on about?
i don't think so...
I've been using Ubuntu linux as the only OS on my laptop I use for everything (school, work, personal stuff) for about a year now. I absolutely love it, and if it weren't for games and some work stuff, I would also switch to Ubuntu with my desktop. One thing that did give me a lot of headaches on my laptop was my phone though: I've had lots of trouble with the combination of my HD2 and ubuntu/linux (obviously, since M$ does not support linux at all).
But still, I don't really feel the need to have ubuntu on my phone. I'm happy with android because that is supported well by my ubuntu laptop, but I don't see how an OS that has been made for screens of 7" or bigger (taking into account the netbook edition, otherwise I'd say 12") and input by mouse/keyboard can be really useful on a 4" mobile phone.
If you want a debian-based distro that is useful on your phone I'd look at Maemo/Meego: these distro's are more open and desktop-like than android but have been made for usage on a phone (touch)screen. I just have no idea how much work it would be to port one of these OSes.
I respect that people want to tinker around with ubuntu and try to get it to work, but personally I think it is best to have as many as possible developers working on Android itself rather than not-so-useful side projects...
ah well, just my two cents
port linux
to port ubuntu or any other distro to a mobile all you need is the kernel, for htc hd2 its almost ready, on top of the kernel you can put whichever linux u want, maemo android linux whatever u want.
I know that, I was talking about the portability of the OS itself... the software on the OS has to communicate with the right drivers and stuff. Since android runs on HTC devices with similar software, a lot of stuff can be copied. Maemo normally runs on a Nokia device, Ubuntu is mainly developed for x86/x64 hardware, that's why I think they're more of a job to port.
yeah should be quite a challenge but i believe that is what drives this guys, anyway ubuntu is already running on hd2 my concerns are actually the distro to be used that makes it usable, i mean if i have to carry a keyboard and mouse to make it work its not very practical. i rather have a choice to use it or not, regarding the os communicating with the drivers it should be quite straight forward since ubuntu is pretty much plug and play at the moment, it will detect your hardware (drivers).
First, let me apologize for asking what is probably a really stupid question, but I know very little about linux and nothing about Android, so after a couple hours searching I'm still not clear on what the best way to do this is.
I've been working on optimizing ffmpeg and related libraries for various ARM processors to improve battery life on portable devices. Right now I do this by cross compiling my assembly code, flashing it to a device over USB, and then testing it. This is incredibly tedious since I have no way to get debug info if something doesn't work.
What I'd like to do is setup some kind of debian/ubuntu/whatever install on the G1 and then be able to SSH in to run run cross compiled binaries from my linux work station over wifi. Currently I have CM6 on the G1, but I'm fine with erasing all of that. I've found a lot of threads about dual booting, and running debian in android, but it wasn't clear to me which of those were going to give me the closest thing to an ARM dev box. Worse some of the guides flat out say that Wifi doesn't work if you follow them.
Is there some simple way to flatten the CM install and just get a stock Debian command line booting with networking and SSH? Could anyone offer advice about what I should be doing?
The openmoko people helped me install openmoko on my G1, then use USB networking to run cross compiled binaries on the G1. So far, it works great!
Sorry for the dumb thread.
Does any know if is possibile to connect a pen USB to HD2?
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leo usb host (sponsored by google) gives THIS xda thread from feb last year,
(not very easily, is the actual answer)
i wanna bring this up again. would it be possible to port the usb host kernel patch from the nexus one or desire hd to the hd2 kernel?
+1 bump, i would be interested in this as well. The wiki states current kernel is the problem
http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Status
Code:
USB
Android Debug (ADB) works
Normal USB Ethernet works with patch from mobile-linux-discuss Mailing List - see Contact
USB Host is broken in current kernel (due to battery driver detection not working). see mailing list Contact
but i'm not sure which branch it refers to, .32 should have no problem with this. Should be portable from the N1, since it's the same SoC. We would also need an app for switching between Host and Slave mode
+1 for this feature, would love to copy the camera HQ snaps and upload to flickr while on the move. ALso keeping a backup pendrive with songs/videos will be wonderful too. The possibilities are actually endless
USB OTG / Host thread bump
I would like to bump the thread.
I recall USB host funcionality was successfully implemented to ubuntu distros kernel...
It was ported to android distros with loosing the USB gadjet funcionality (desire and nexus)
... but now there is a new light...
It is fully working on SGS2! this means no more: "android is not built for this"
are there any kernel devs interested in USB OTG for leo?
Is there anyone familiar how it's done in SGS2 kernel and android build so that it just works?
I thought it was the case that Leo does not supply any power to the USB port = tough to power devices :-(
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smeddy said:
I thought it was the case that Leo does not supply any power to the USB port = tough to power devices :-(
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Available information says it does not.
Possibly there are some microp commands to trigger some power when OTG is supposed to be active...
After all, power could be injected from an external source (this is how it works under linux distros: Ubuntu on Leo, Debian) so i think this would be the smallest problem
Today I saw that DFT has made the USB host working on WM6.5, so it is only a software limitation , and it is in the current kernel.
I've used an USBHost mode onmy DHD (with a patched kernel for USB host). Actually it can''t provide enough power to other devices, but with some power injection cable the Mass Storage works fine.
Also i saw in the EVO forum a guy who ported a DirectLink Display Drivers, so this will give us a TV-Out option.
So is there anyone working for solution?
Leo usb host development
Although I have not much experience in kernel development I will put all my efforts on figuring out a solution on this issue.
I have a question to ported Host mode to your DHD.
I have heard that when host mode is implemented to the kernel, one must sacrifice USB gadget (on this kernel only). Did you try ADB or multimount to connect to pc?
Host mode was successfully implemented into linux distro kernel and I may be wrong but I recall Dan1j3l mentioned somewhere that he was able to port the Sven Killig's host mode to Leo android kernel as well.
Besides, in the 2.6.37 kernel (CM) for Leo developent tree there are all of the files included, but the problem is that the kernel does not boot yet :/
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Although I have not much experience in kernel development I will put all my efforts on figuring out a solution on this issue.
I have a question to ported Host mode to your DHD.
I have heard that when host mode is implemented to the kernel, one must sacrifice USB gadget (on this kernel only). Did you try ADB or multimount to connect to pc?
Host mode was successfully implemented into linux distro kernel and I may be wrong but I recall Dan1j3l mentioned somewhere that he was able to port the Sven Killig's host mode to Leo android kernel as well.
Besides, in the 2.6.37 kernel (CM) for Leo developent tree there are all of the files included, but the problem is that the kernel does not boot yet :/
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Since there are many (including myself) who are interested in this, maybe we should open a thread for DEVs (tag it with [DEV]) to see who can help with this. Hope that you will be successful with this.
separate [DEV] thread
sure, why not.
One thing I would suggest though
As i hate endless talks in threads (making them hard to get condenced info on the subject) maybe it would make sense to have a pair of threads: one with babbling, second with pure technical info and conclusions.
in case of my progress I am at the stage of reading, pulling trees, setting up environments, reading, reading, reading...
since there is a number of trees with host included I am planning to setup some sort of code visualisation tools to look for similarities and system solutions - will try to implement it further into our Leo kernel
... dont know where it will lead me, but with a little luck...
Just a little update (for those interested)
I managed to succesfully compile and boot a kernel with host patch roughly integrated.
I did not test if the host features worked or not, but at least the process is somehow working, and the source code is not totally messed up.
The symptoms observed within android are USB connection not recognized and no charging (effect of usb gadget functions being cut off; battery/charging driver dependent on usb connection state).
It is obvious that the way is still long, but at least there is some minor progress
I am not going to give up...yet
Whish me luck ;-)
(It's time to setup some gear and read lots more...)
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Thanks for your efforts I am definitely following this closely. Having USB Host would up the usability of this device hundred folds!!!!!
All the best!!!!!!!
ogonzuhnina said:
Just a little update (for those interested)
I managed to succesfully compile and boot a kernel with host patch roughly integrated.
I did not test if the host features worked or not, but at least the process is somehow working, and the source code is not totally messed up.
The symptoms observed within android are USB connection not recognized and no charging (effect of usb gadget functions being cut off; battery/charging driver dependent on usb connection state).
It is obvious that the way is still long, but at least there is some minor progress
I am not going to give up...yet
Whish me luck ;-)
(It's time to setup some gear and read lots more...)
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no major updates yet :/
for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers
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for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers
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Well, you have one person here faithfully following the progress All the best!
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for anyone following...
Sorry for not giving any major update.
I did setup all required hardware, tested, but (as suspected) it didn't work yet.
I had to suspend host related activities due to uni stuff.
I expect to close my remaining issues within a week and get back to getting this bastard to work
cheers
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Hey, how are things coming along? I, for one, am very interested to see the results of your experimentation
why wont devs help u?
erlern said:
Hey, how are things coming along? I, for one, am very interested to see the results of your experimentation
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+1 here too but i cant understand y devs are helping him with getting usb working especially with so many brilliant devs on here!!
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maddoc1007 said:
+1 here too but i cant understand y devs are not helping him with getting usb working especially with so many brilliant devs on here!![/really meant y devs are not elping him me bad
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the support.
Unfortunately I had no time to move anywhere forwards due to tough times at work :/
Comming week is (hopefuly) the last one, as next weekend I am planning to be a master in engineering
To explain the other devs:
the host capabilities of our android device seams a minor benefit, esspecially in comparison to 2.6.35 or .37 ongoing developments.
Let them do these serious stuff and left these /fairly/ simple ports to greenhorns
cheers
ogonzuhnina said:
Hi guys,
Thanks for the support.
Unfortunately I had no time to move anywhere forwards due to tough times at work :/
Comming week is (hopefuly) the last one, as next weekend I am planning to be a master in engineering
To explain the other devs:
the host capabilities of our android device seams a minor benefit, esspecially in comparison to 2.6.35 or .37 ongoing developments.
Let them do these serious stuff and left these /fairly/ simple ports to greenhorns
cheers
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Thanks for updating us Take your time then... you are starting your Masters or you are graduating?
Btw, I believe that the devs are not 'helping' because they do not know about this thread in the Q&A... would be nice if you can start a thread with a [DEV] tag. That would really get their attention. Just my 2 cents. I could gladly come up with one if you don't have the time.
Thanks.
I dont know if this is hardware or software thing. Id really like to play roms on the go with a 360 controller.
Possibly. I have a kernel that builds, and partially boots. I just cant seem to get past one minor thing. Its got the stuff enabled for USB HOST. Just be patient.
Thanks a lot the info is much appreciated.
I can't wait to see that working on my Kindle !
Thanks man;we are really appreciate your work !!!
Greetings! I've been lurking on XDA for quite some time, and first I would like to give a big thank you to all the developers. I would never have purchased a Kindle Fire if I didn't have faith in your ability to unlock the hardware's true potential. You guys/gals rock.
Here's my question: I develop and troubleshoot municipal and commercial wired/wireless networks and I would really like to be able to use the KF with backtrack. I understand that OTG support under ICS is very close to being a reality, would it be possible to support an external wifi adapter via OTG?
Drawing power is the first problem that comes to mind, so my thought is to mod a USB OTG adapter to draw from an external DC source instead of the KF.
This could have some awesome potential if it could work. I'm willing to do whatever I can to make this happen, so if one of you veteran developers could set me on the right track to backtrack it would be greatly appreciated.
I'm no wifi/kernel expert but as far as i have understood it:
It should be possible if you get the right wifi modules to work. Android uses a modified wpa_supplicant, so even if you have linux wifi drivers for usb you would need to patch them to get it running. The current kernel does not have mac80211/cfg80211 modules compiled it, but i think that you probably would need them (i think they are in the kernel source, they are just not set yet). The current module for the tiwlan is proprietary and is also uses some strange ibCustomWifi as wrapper around WEXT, not sure if they also did some changes there.
If the 3.0 kernel boots we should anyhow change to a mac80211 wifi driver and also use wpa_supplicant 0.8 instead of 0.6 so your chances should be a lot better with the 3.0 kernel.
So it strongly depends if your external wifi adapter is very well supported for linux (or better for Android ....) und if we get otg running. (There might be some hidden problems to discover).
Sengwall,
There are several threads in the xda forums for similar projects on different devices that might be useful as the steps are basically the same (assuming that somebody gets OTG working). Here's one of them:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1484339
Thanks for the input...ill look and see if there has been success on other devices with the same board.... great suggestion.