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No more GPS problems

I bought my Galaxy S few weeks ago and I could barely use the GPS. It took way too long to get it working and still it was inaccurate.
Few days ago I flashed JM2 firmware and installed app called TrackerBooster (can be found in the Android Market). Now the GPS works perfectly, takes only few seconds to get it connected (outdoors). I have used it now like 15 times and max. time I had to wait was 20 seconds.
I'm not sure does TrackerBooster app need to be installed, might work well without it, haven't tested.
I hope this helps those who have problems with GPS but this is just my experience, I would wait for other comments before flashing new a firmware.

It's called new firmware flashing syndrom for GPS. Basically, if you flash to any new firmware, your GPS will work for a few days.

As Foxbat said, a full flash/reset cycle improves results on the pathetic, schizophrenic and overall random SGS GPS implementation. But I am not going to be a smart ass and insinuate you don't know what you're talking about.
Instead I'll just ignore all the previous "the GPS issue is fixed" claims by many users who prematurely yelled "fixed" and just cowardly quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
Plus we shall also ignore the previous 308 users who have "cried Wolf"^-1. Please refer to your favorite fable author for proper reference.

Its occurred so many times, it actually has it's own syndrome!! FFS

Beowulf_pt said:
As Foxbat said, a full flash/reset cycle improves results on the pathetic, schizophrenic and overall random SGS GPS implementation. But I am not going to be a smart ass and insinuate you don't know what you're talking about.
Instead I'll just ignore all the previous "the GPS issue is fixed" claims by many users who prematurely yelled "fixed" and just cowardly quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
Plus we shall also ignore the previous 308 users who have "cried Wolf"^-1. Please refer to your favorite fable author for proper reference.
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So you still trolling the forums about your GPS problem even after you sold your Samsung if you ever had one from the beginning. I have never had serious problem as many others and if only 308 of millions have had a problem it must certainly be a really good GPS. Stop trolling you only because look like an ignorant user who really do not want to make the phone better but want to promote NOKIA.

For sure, milsjg. You can add me too as ignorant, 309th user who's GPS sucks d*ck hard.

I wish my GPS sucked d**k... that would at least make it useful! ) 310th user here noticing GPS issues... that said while I was on JM7, I managed to record a very very close to perfect track using mytracks... for the walking section of my test it went perfectly even showing where I retraced my steps to go to poo bins! But when I got on to driving it went a bit mental and I apparently drove through the fire station, the wrong way round roundabouts and demolished a few streets worth of houses, but occationally it did show me going down the right side of the road!

You forget that before he even got it, he was complaining that he was reluctant to buy the phone because of reports about lag and GPS (and then, proceeded to buy it anyway).
The main problem is that people have different quality of acceptance for GPS. Some people expect a signal which compares with a fitness GPS (accurate within 2 or 3 meters generally), and some of us don't care if it drifts off by 20m.
Any technology which doesn't have a definitive state will get various opinions...

andrewluecke said:
You forget that before he even got it, he was complaining that he was reluctant to buy the phone because of reports about lag and GPS (and then, proceeded to buy it anyway).
The main problem is that people have different quality of acceptance for GPS. Some people expect a signal which compares with a fitness GPS (accurate within 2 or 3 meters generally), and some of us don't care if it drifts off by 20m.
Any technology which doesn't have a definitive state will get various opinions...
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But then when it comes to navigation (arguably the principal purpose of having GPS in these devices) things go totally haywire! ) Personally I wonder whether GPS was installed purely for marketing purposes, to allow app developers (and of course google!) to snoop as to where their users are and how they are using their devices. For that there's no need for close tracking! )

not sure why you would fault beowulf for buying, if as you indicate he had some concerns - the damn phone is drop dead gorgous. If any product could stimulate optimism or optimistic hope, even in a skeptic, this phone would. And that's what makes it so frustrating.
I'm going to hate sending it back (i negotiated an extended buyer remorse return period) but if GPS isn't corrected by mid sept, this phone is history
samsung having released it w/o working gps is maybe forgiveable, but then even assuming they didn't know about the issue before release, it's been over 90 days since the asian release, and it's still not working.
Lay on top of that that samsung announced the GPS had been "validated" in the EPIC 4G, and it turns out it isn't. That did nothing but strengthen my doubts on samsung delivering a solution.

Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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Bynar010 said:
Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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Then it must be the firmware I flashed. There's a big difference with JM2 and the previous FW I had, if I remember right it was JF3.
The accuracy is good, for example Endomondo regonizes few meter changes. (like changing side of the road).

Sorry to offend you but Beowulf_pt has no SGS and still he is lurking around complaining. If you think about it ,there must be some reasons that I and several others have a perfectly normal (no correction) GPS on our SGS. Why is it working so different for different persons? Some logical alternatives would be error in a batch of phones (switch it), or operator programming has messed it up (get new operator), or just overload caused by program running in background, memory and task mangers etc ( educate yourself or wait for a proper kernel - see below) or in some cases just plain trolling of some non SGS owners (see my last reply).
The GPS chip is new and according to the web only recently the code for efficient low level drivers, for the linux kernel, has started to appear on internet (23 august). It will take some weeks before they are implemented so I would bet that they have fixed it by the end of September. You know, bad driver = slow, no calender etc. You will notice it specially when you use program that uses lots of resources (Maps and My tracker). It is much more efficient with Cardiotrainer for example or GPS test. (see my third conclusion above). I have noticed that (at least for me) it takes 5 - 10 sec to get a first lock in GPS test but half a minute at least in Maps or My Tracks.
Another tip is to run for example GPS test for one minute or so before My Track so the GPS gets some satellite data downloaded (calenders). The time also helps the GPS to calculate the exact position to use as a start point. You normally need a minute or so if the calenders are to old or you moved to get the right positions.
Iphone 4 has a good GPS (3 is crap according to some owners and it is not fixed. Do you hear any complaints?). The chip is one generation older than SGS and Apple do not need to wait for the kernel to be changed in there Iphone. They do it them self and by the way Iphone 4 is not really multitasking which means that GPS programs can easily be prioritized.
Well this is a short version. The net is filled with facts and if you start read a little you can start puzzle together what the cause is for your faulty GPS (nearly nobody believes its hardware any more).
By the way, I am not ignorant and I know rather much about GPS and how to evaluate tracking (I have written several scientific papers on tracking of wildlife where at least one was on the subject - evaluation of ARGOS tracking devices using GPS as reference). I have owned several mobiles and GPSes, programmed and built fish tracking devices, and did my thesis on wildlife tracking. I stating this not to try to end the GPS discussion but to make it a little bit more "scientific" and not so emotional like the comments on my last reply. There still nobody that knows how many that has a problem with the GPS. We only know that a few of millions have complained and a few of millions have said there satisfied with it.

Bynar010 said:
Tried this tracker booster app, makes no difference, gps still horrendous. If some people think that a 20m accuracy variation is acceptable for a gps lock they are a bloody fool.
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On the contrar my friend, 5 - 15 meters is what you can expect and that means that the fix has 95 % certainty to be in that interval. 20 is a little bit above what you can expect but not much. In good dedicated trackers or a good phones you can get 5 meters (which I often get after 30 sec outside) and 2,5 for some fixes but not constant. A mobile is not a dedicated GPS and with the suspected driver problem 20 would not be bad. Try with GPS test, under open sky, and holding it at the bottom of the phone. Before you start you should turn off and on the GPS and close all task managers and started programs. You know that home means often that you leave the program running in the background but using back shuts it down. And wait for 30 - 60 seconds. If you get 10 be satisfied it,s a phone and not a dedicated GPS.

My touch hd would actually follow the f$$king road. Not too much to ask that a brand new smart phone would do the same is it? Its nothing short of pathetic. Even my old tytn2 was superb as a gps device for navigation, this thing cannot be trusted.
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I for one am getting SICK of installing fw's hoping for a fix for GPS.
They put a good hardware-wise device out.. But its kinda shoddy the fw development isn't equally as good. I have flashed nearly ALL the fw's to no real avail..
I am started to get frustrated after all this patience..

FWIW
Running 2.2 with no lag, fix no root, no apps to help. Google Nav and Co-Pilot work flawlessly. Mytracks follows me walking down the pavement at the correct position and on the correct side of the road with very few deviations.
I really cannot see what all the fuss is ablout here.

Tehpriest said:
FWIW
Running 2.2 with no lag, fix no root, no apps to help. Google Nav and Co-Pilot work flawlessly. Mytracks follows me walking down the pavement at the correct position and on the correct side of the road with very few deviations.
I really cannot see what all the fuss is ablout here.
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well try it in a car and get supprised...

praun said:
well try it in a car and get supprised...
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That is where I use both Co-Pilot and Google Nav.....

Beowulf_pt said:
..y quote one of my favourite authors..."Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan
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Well I rather stick with Popper. Extraordinary evidence or support isn't that hard to get (look at the paranormal claims etc). What is more difficult and more fruitful to come by is some clever tests that eventually will or can refute a claim. If a theory will pass those tests it is actually more trustworthy then when it gets "extraordinary" evidence.
Again, no theory will stand till the end of time, how extra-ordinary our evidences may be.
Lol, back to the gps.

Thinking of switching to G2 from Vibrant; how is the GPS/Compass?

Hey G2'ers, I've got a question: how well does your GPS work?
I (and the wife) currently own Samsung Vibrants, which are great devices save for the woeful GPS and compass performance. Turns out this is kind of a big deal; google nav completely flakes out in cities or at stop lights, and I find myself horribly frustrated with it. As a point of comparison, I find that device much worse than the GPS on my old Nokia N95 or iPhone 3G.
I'd love to know how the GPS on the G2 holds up; does it get a lock quickly? Is it accurate when recording tracks? Does google nav's arrow point in the correct direction when you're stationary? Does sky maps work?
Especially awesome would be opinions from anybody who's used both devices.
Thanks!

I have both devices. Suffered through some of the woes on the Vibrant with the GPS, locating fixes. Froyo on the Vibrant seems to fix some of the issues but truth be told, I still have had GPS issues. On the G2, I have not used tracks but I have used GPS a bit like "places" and "maps". Both seem to get locks very quickly compared to the Vibrant. The external quality of the G2 seems better at a subjective level to me since it feels "metal-ly" and the Vibrant while slick looking still feels kinda plastic.
The main issue for me was rooting and getting the latest updates. The Vibrant took awhile to get some ROMs going with Froyo and after loading a few different ones, it still seems a work in progress. The G2 comes with a "vanilla" look but they load these applications which for some reason they think I would want. There are ways to remove or disable them without getting root.
All in all, I like the G2 for its "heft" and feel in my hand. The G2 feels like you are holding something and its physically a beautiful phone to me. The Vibrant is all glossy and plastic looking. Both phones are nice. Given the choice, I would take the G2 since its been rooted permanently. I would choose the Vibrant for other reasons like a simple root path; but Froyo has taken way too long and I got tired of waiting.
I'm not convinced battery life is much better on either; but on the G2, I've been running JuiceDefender Ultimate and I get decent battery life on the regular battery. On the Vibrant with Froyo it seemed the battery just drained and I think there are processes running when the handset is in standby which drain the battery IMO.
Final analysis for me is what phone I feel the most comfortable using. I like the G2 for many reasons and have given the Vibrant to my daughter as her first touch screen phone. She likes lots of games and the display and the Vibrant will hold bunches of stuff.
I can't help with the final decision because its yours.

mpmilestogo said:
I have both devices. Suffered through some of the woes on the Vibrant with the GPS, locating fixes. Froyo on the Vibrant seems to fix some of the issues but truth be told, I still have had GPS issues. On the G2, I have not used tracks but I have used GPS a bit like "places" and "maps". Both seem to get locks very quickly compared to the Vibrant. The external quality of the G2 seems better at a subjective level to me since it feels "metal-ly" and the Vibrant while slick looking still feels kinda plastic.
The main issue for me was rooting and getting the latest updates. The Vibrant took awhile to get some ROMs going with Froyo and after loading a few different ones, it still seems a work in progress. The G2 comes with a "vanilla" look but they load these applications which for some reason they think I would want. There are ways to remove or disable them without getting root.
All in all, I like the G2 for its "heft" and feel in my hand. The G2 feels like you are holding something and its physically a beautiful phone to me. The Vibrant is all glossy and plastic looking. Both phones are nice. Given the choice, I would take the G2 since its been rooted permanently. I would choose the Vibrant for other reasons like a simple root path; but Froyo has taken way too long and I got tired of waiting.
I'm not convinced battery life is much better on either; but on the G2, I've been running JuiceDefender Ultimate and I get decent battery life on the regular battery. On the Vibrant with Froyo it seemed the battery just drained and I think there are processes running when the handset is in standby which drain the battery IMO.
Final analysis for me is what phone I feel the most comfortable using. I like the G2 for many reasons and have given the Vibrant to my daughter as her first touch screen phone. She likes lots of games and the display and the Vibrant will hold bunches of stuff.
I can't help with the final decision because its yours.
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Awesome, thanks for the input.
The slow pace of progress on the Vibrant is also a cause of concern for me. Even though the G2 has suffered in getting root working initially, the fact that it's an HTC device seems to be radically speeding up progress now that it's been rooted. The unfortunate lack of open source drivers for some key components in the Vibrant means that, at least for a while, a pure AOSP-based release is off the table, and waiting for Samsung is a real downer.
Now all that said, I really love the Vibrant's form factor and display. I've held a demo G2 and it feels great, but it's a bit on the clunky side for me. I know I'd be OK with it, it's just not exactly what I want; if I could have the G2's guts in the Vibrant's form factor (and with the Vibrant's display!) I'd be all over it
Ultimately, all that said, a working *good* GPS and compass are going to be the deciding factors for me though. I just rely on that stuff too much to be happy with the performance I see from the Vibrant.

JeremyNT said:
Does google nav's arrow point in the correct direction when you're stationary? Does sky maps work?
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What you are asking for is impossible. GPS does not provide any information on ORIENTATION, nor is it used in sky maps any more significantly than simply finding your location on the surface of the planet. Sky maps uses the COMPASS much more than the GPS since it can actually determine your orientation wrt the planet's magnetic field.
GPS devices can only judge a direction that you are pointing by assuming that the DIRECTION you are moving in **IS FORWARD**. If you are driving backwards, google maps will turn the map upside down.
Now vibrant is a samsung phone. You realize that the nexus S is as well? It has apparently been delayed on account of THIS EXACT PROBLEM. There is some SERIOUS issue, either with the firmware or with the hardware on those devices that is leading to your frustrations... and there are apparently MULTIPLE causes coming together.
I really wouldn't worry about the GPS and compass on the VISION. HTC (unlike samsung) has a good track record with these components.

My g2 has a great gps. Locks quick and is accurate every time. I've used tracks to test and walking 100 yards and back with varying direction was mapped perfectly.
I had the captivated before (ATT version of vibrant) and it was horrible. The file system, gps, battery life, random shutdowns, cheap feel, plus ATT locks the market down and disabled sidelong of apps.
The problems of the g2 are minor compared that other mess of a phone. JMO
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Agreed with everyone. The Galaxy S gps is horribly slow.(don't get me started on the touchwiz interface)
But there have been people who liked the galaxy s more than the g2, and because you are asking this in a g2 section.. it tends to be a bit bias.
I would go to a store and check active demos and decide for yourself.

One of the best phone out there, with oc to 1.4 ghz it will be best keyboard phone out there for a while. Stock android is a only way to go. Other addons like track pad wake just make a cherry on top and I am sure that there will be more cool stuff to follow. Hope this helps.
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dhkr123 said:
What you are asking for is impossible. GPS does not provide any information on ORIENTATION, nor is it used in sky maps any more significantly than simply finding your location on the surface of the planet. Sky maps uses the COMPASS much more than the GPS since it can actually determine your orientation wrt the planet's magnetic field.
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Google navigation uses the compass to determine orientation of the arrow when you're stationary. I know this because, in the case of the Vibrant, the compass is always wrong. This contributes to issues when I'm sitting at a light, since google nav will use the (bogus) compass reading on the Vibrant and decide I must be facing the wrong way, triggering a reroute.

JeremyNT said:
Google navigation uses the compass to determine orientation of the arrow when you're stationary. I know this because, in the case of the Vibrant, the compass is always wrong. This contributes to issues when I'm sitting at a light, since google nav will use the (bogus) compass reading on the Vibrant and decide I must be facing the wrong way, triggering a reroute.
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It doesn't use the compass. It is constantly polling the GPS to see which direction you are traveling. So if one second you are at a specific location and the next second you are 5 feet to the North, it thinks you are moving North at a speed of 5ft/s. The reason they don't use the compass to see what direction you are traveling is because what if you turn your phone sideways while navigating? Or what if I turn my phone sideways to the left but you turn your sideways to the right? Will you be traveling backwards?
It polls the GPS. And since the GPS on the Vibrant is so inaccurate and unreliable, it sometimes thinks you have moved when you are standing still. That's why it sometimes thinks you are facing backwards when you are at a stoplight. It thinks that you have actually moved backwards a foot or two.

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It doesn't use the compass. It is constantly polling the GPS to see which direction you are traveling. So if one second you are at a specific location and the next second you are 5 feet to the North, it thinks you are moving North at a speed of 5ft/s. The reason they don't use the compass to see what direction you are traveling is because what if you turn your phone sideways while navigating? Or what if I turn my phone sideways to the left but you turn your sideways to the right? Will you be traveling backwards?
It polls the GPS. And since the GPS on the Vibrant is so inaccurate and unreliable, it sometimes thinks you have moved when you are standing still. That's why it sometimes thinks you are facing backwards when you are at a stoplight. It thinks that you have actually moved backwards a foot or two.
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Google maps most certainly does use the compass to determine which direction the arrow points if you're stationary.

keenerb said:
Google maps most certainly does use the compass to determine which direction the arrow points if you're stationary.
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Tell me, how does the compass know what direction you are facing?

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Tell me, how does the compass know what direction you are facing?
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Because it's a COMPASS, man. It's a tiny little magnet(*) inside the phone that a sensor uses to determine whether you're facing north, south, east, or west.
How do you think layar or google sky maps knows which direction you're facing if you're standing still?

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Because it's a COMPASS, man. It's a tiny little magnet(*) inside the phone that a sensor uses to determine whether you're facing north, south, east, or west.
How do you think layar or google sky maps knows which direction you're facing if you're standing still?
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I know what a compass is. What I meant was how does it know what direction YOU are facing? I'll answer that question for you. It doesn't. A compass tells which direction is North relative to the orientation of the compass (or in this case phone) itself.
If you assume that the top edge of the phone is always pointing in the direction the user is facing, then the compass would work for that. This is how the Google Sky Maps application works - it assumes that you are facing the same direction as the camera on the back of the phone. So it works.
Assuming that any particular edge of the phone is facing forward during navigation is bad programming. Like I asked earlier, what if I turn my phone upside-down, or one the right side versus the left? The compass will know what direction the phone is facing, but now the phone is facing the opposite direction of me. So does it think I'm going backwards?

Of course, if you hold your phone upside down, or backwards, the compass may report an incorrect direction.
That doesn't really have any bearing on my comment, or the fact that google maps WILL use the compass to determine orientation when stationary.
I think you're rebutting an argument I'm not making.
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keenerb said:
Of course, if you hold your phone upside down, or backwards, the compass may report an incorrect direction.
That doesn't really have any bearing on my comment, or the fact that google maps WILL use the compass to determine orientation when stationary.
I think you're rebutting an argument I'm not making.
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I was showing you the reasoning behind why Google Maps does not use the compass to determine orientation. It does not because it can not. Google engineers aren't that dumb. The only time Google Maps activates the compass it when the user has selected StreetView.

I disagree on both counts.
The reason google maps uses derived direction of travel rather than compass orientation is because direction of travel is more useful to a moving vehicle than true orientation. That, and some devices may not have a functional or calibrated compass.
Also, on my google maps, while standing still, the arrow is currently indicating my true orientation based on the internal compass. Perhaps your version is different.
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I totally forgot about the accelerometer. My bad. Google Maps uses the accelerometer to determine the orientation of the device relative to you, and then the compass to determine the orientation of the device relative to the Earth. So it actually can see what direction you are facing... I stand corrected.

My gps was having nasty issues pre OTA, but now it works beautifully
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I love these forums. We start with a question about the Vibrant versus the G2 handset. We end up and I learn a lot about compasses, GPS, which way I should face, and accelerometers!
Thanks wizards of XDA. You guys rule! I mean it seriously. The evolution of threads on XDA is an interesting cultural and sociological perspective.

Jerky gyroscope

Hi,
Does anyone else find that the gyroscope is useless on this phone. In street view or Google earth, if I use the hardware sensor to control movement the movement is really jerky and all over the place. Even the compass seems to be screwing up as a 360 turn only seems to have 3 or 4 discreet steps rather than being smooth.
I've installed phone tester and monitored the sensor output and even on a stable surface the values are all over the place.
Is this normal or am I going to have to get the phone replaced?
Cheers,
Phil
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you have to wave the phone in a figure 8 pattern to calibrate the compass. I'm not sure why, but I have to do this every day. My Nexus S seems to lose its compass calibration everyday.
Is anyone else experiencing this? Or is it a hardware problem on mine?

sagech said:
you have to wave the phone in a figure 8 pattern to calibrate the compass. I'm not sure why, but I have to do this every day. My Nexus S seems to lose its compass calibration everyday.
Is anyone else experiencing this? Or is it a hardware problem on mine?
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I've had mine about a week and this is the only thing that had upset me so far. Google Sky Map was exhibiting this same problem. It was fine on n1 and g2. hopefully it's a software/driver issue. I would have expected a fix by now though if it was.
Has google said anything yet of substance besides 'we'll talk to X team/we're looking into it...'?
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I've also noticed this - maybe a hardware issue?

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I've also noticed this - maybe a hardware issue?
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Plz oh plz let not be a hardware issue, cause it would mean it can't be fixed. I really hope is driver problem, since the NS it's the first google phone to have a gyroscope (as far as I know) so they didn't pin down the little brat.
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gratti said:
Plz oh plz let not be a hardware issue, cause it would mean it can't be fixed. I really hope is driver problem, since the NS it's the first google phone to have a gyroscope (as far as I know) so they didn't pin down the little brat.
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It's not the gyroscope. It's the compass. The compass in our phone is extremely bad and subject to lots of noise/interference. It's very unlikely this will be fixed in a software patch, unless Invensense updates their library.

So to confirm this appears to be a general hardware fault with the compass? I can't believe that everyone has this problem on the Nexus S, it's a huge problem and I would have expected more fuss to have been made about it. I have used phone tester to determine what sensors I have on my phone:
Compass: AK8973 Orientation Sensor (Asahi Kasei Microdevices)
Magnetic field sensor: AK8973 3-axis magentic field sensor (Asahi Kasei Microdevices)
Accelerometer: KR3DM 3-axis Accelerometer (STMicroelectronics)
Gyroscope: K3G Gyroscope (STMicroelectronics)
It would be great if anyone who does not experience this problem could let us know and post what sensor they have to see if there are hardware variations around?
@chadrockey Where does Invensense come in? I've seen that they have produced new generation sensor but it appears that the Nexus S doesn't include it.

Invensense supplies the gyroscopes in the Wii MotionPlus and quite possibly the gyroscopes and some additional hardware in the Nexus S.
They also developed the sensor fusion algorithm in the new gingerbread APIs:
hhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7JQ7Rpwn2kOsg
It's more or less a problem with compasses in general and probably weak software applied to calculate heading.
Compasses also vary significantly in area, so the closer to the equator you are, the fewer problems you should have. You can also try indoors/outdoors away from dumpsters, cars, computers, anything metal.
All compasses are notorious for noise and having issues with anything metallic. Like computer cases, magnets, fridges, or even our NFC antenna.

ditto, compass sucks. it gets better when i move it away from speakers, computers, monitors, etc. also, i'm in toronto so it generally sucks everywhere. when i was in HK it was pretty good though.

Nexus' compass is totally borked: +/-30° deviation with back cover (nfc antenna), +/-20° without. (90° turns). My old htc hero performed MUCH better ...

[hfm] said:
It was fine on n1 and g2
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chadrockey said:
It's more or less a problem with compasses in general and probably weak software applied to calculate heading
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So, is it a software or hardware issue??

I cant confirm that. In maps the compass shows the exact direction im looking at. But i can confirm that none of the compass apps i downloaded showed it right most of them showed me south (i pointed to north) i turned 90° left and they showed sw another 90° and i saw se and next 90° showed me east. Same for sensor testing apps my phone lies on the floor and the values for acceleration, magnetic, gyroscope and compass where going crazy but i i couldnt see them bouncing more than +-2%
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Same problem by me on LG Optimus One, I think it's Android or generally compass sensor problem. After every launch of some compass app, I need to re-calibrate it in figure 8 movement...

I'm currently on my fifth nexus s.. The compasses on the last four were pretty much unusable. The fifth one is noticeably a lot smoother. On a different note, every single nexus s i used was great in some areas and lacked in other areas. The first one i had was solid but every now and then when i was taking pictures the whole screen would turn red. I would have easily kept it. Dropped it hard, replaced it. Second one had an completely crapped out back button. Third one had that weird can't make a portable wifi hotspot problem. It would almost never turn on and the speaker sounded blown out. Fourth one was all busted.. it had the hotspot problem and the screen was popping up. Plus it got unusually hot. My other ones never got that warm. On the fifth one, the live wallpapers slow the home screen scrolling and app drawer so much I don't use them but the rest of the phone works flawlessly, including the compass. The other phones were never affected by the live wallpapers. Am I a little bummed that a $550 device isn't perfect, ya. Especially if your obsessive like I am, but at this point I've learned that no NS is perfect (in my experience anyway). Even after all that stuff i went through (which might be an extreme case) I still love this phone and I'll have it until the next nexus comes out. I just hope I don't drop this one Holy crap this is a long post...

Mine had issues back on 2.3.2 and CM7 RC1. Flashed RC2 and it wasn't jerky anymore. Not really sure why.

I had my device repaired by Samsung service recently, just got it back 2 weeks ago. I'm not 100% sure it is still the same device, only with a new screen, or a replacement (although the S/N and IMEI are the same as before). However, since I got it back I also noticed this compass weirdness. I definitely didn't have these issues before. But then I also didn't have 2.3.3 before. There is also a thread in Google's forums where people complain and some think it started with 2.3.3 (I'm not yet permitted to post the link here though).
I just hope this is a software problem and will be fixed in an update. In the current state Maps is basically unusable for me, the little blue needle always points in the wrong direction and even directly after calibrating the compass (which seems to last about 5min max) the direction is always off by some 10-15 degrees and also reacts very jerkily to any movement. My HTC Desire never had such problems.

please report this bug at here:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=37f2dd3261d20d1f&hl=en
and add a star if you have this issue as well here:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=15999
check my issue video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-9lehX8u2U
Google please fix this!!!

I have the following weird phenomenon.
Nexus S users, please confirm you have this problem too.
This problem does not manifest itself on a Nexus One.
I have both Nexii.
Open Google Sky Map.
Move the phone around as much as you can in all directions and orientations.
Select Back or Home.
Open Gallery.
Tilt the phone from portrait to landscape
Do you lose the orientation function?
Infact, I lose orientation function across all apps after that. It is as if the phone is "locked" into a certain orientation or loses the function altogether.
This problem corrects itself after a reboot.
More info: Gingerbread 2.3.2 with LauncherPro
Update: If you change the sensors Speed and Damping to HIGH for both, the problem goes away...

I don't think it uses the gyroscope.
I guess it just uses the Compass to find out which direction your pointing, and the accelerometer to measure up and down

i think the problem is most apps aren't built for gingerbread features. and gingerbread has gyroscope support built in. when an app developer asks - basically - for the direction, android will either use 2 or 3 (compass, accellerometer and gyroscope - the gyroscope adds the smoothness) sensors depending on what api lever (android version) the app is built for.
so, make sure the app is built for 2.3? just throwing it out there. this would explain why google earth (that is shipped on the device) is incredibly nice and smooth (compared to earth on a desire). and, would explain why apps downloaded on the market are jerky too probably.

Compass performance

I couldn't find it anywhere in here, and when I searched for "Compass" the only place I found it being mentioned outside of specsheet posts was when the Clove guy asked what we would like to know about it and I said "compass performance." Ha.
Anyway, can anyone tell me how the compass apps are getting along? I've resigned to the fact it'll never be as good as the iPhone's compass (although maybe that's just my subconscious trying to set myself up for a pleasant surprise), but I would like decent compass performance this time around. (for comparison sake, if you have a chance, check out the iPhone's compass. It's silky smooth and accurate, whereas the SGS' compass left me to wonder if I was in my own house or someone else's across the street).

I'm not trying to be snide but my iPhone 3GS compass never really worked properly. It always said there was interference and asked me to wave my hand around in a figure 8, yet no matter how much of a douche I made myself look like waving it around it never righted itself. Faulty model I know. I should have got a replacement. But still, not all of them worked well....
....I get my SGS2 tomorrow so hopefully it ACTUALLY works unlike that in my iPhone...

Please keep me posted if you will!
I did not get to try the 3GS' compass, but my wife has an iPhone4 and it is spot on. Doesn't jerk around or nothing, it snaps to the right position right away. The SGS' performance is pathetic in comparison. If I spin it around, it takes over a second to actually move, and even then, it never settles anywhere, no matter how still I hold it. Fingers crossed!

I'd give it an 8/10. It's pretty accurate in general, but moving it very fast sometimes seems to cause it confusion. Seems to be slightly off by a couple degrees when pointing directly south as well. It's about as good as any compass I've seen in a phone though, and way better than in the SGS1.

Bernardos70 said:
I couldn't find it anywhere in here, and when I searched for "Compass" the only place I found it being mentioned outside of specsheet posts was when the Clove guy asked what we would like to know about it and I said "compass performance." Ha.
Anyway, can anyone tell me how the compass apps are getting along? I've resigned to the fact it'll never be as good as the iPhone's compass (although maybe that's just my subconscious trying to set myself up for a pleasant surprise), but I would like decent compass performance this time around. (for comparison sake, if you have a chance, check out the iPhone's compass. It's silky smooth and accurate, whereas the SGS' compass left me to wonder if I was in my own house or someone else's across the street).
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Do you mean compass or GPS? I've never had compass issues on any Android device, but I don't see how a compass tells you which house you are in, unless you also have a location...

That was sort of a joke, sorry about that. No, I mean compass, if you download compass from the market and run that... I've tried quite a few compasses, and none of them are accurate, and most are only borderline usable. The G1's (HTC Dream worldwide, I think) compass was better, for comparison. And the iPhone4's is perfect.

Bernardos70 said:
That was sort of a joke, sorry about that. No, I mean compass, if you download compass from the market and run that... I've tried quite a few compasses, and none of them are accurate, and most are only borderline usable. The G1's (HTC Dream worldwide, I think) compass was better, for comparison. And the iPhone4's is perfect.
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OK thought we might have been getting mixed up between the original SGS's well-publicised GPS issues...

Yeah, don't get me started on the GPS. Needless to say I'm keeping an eye on the GPS accuracy thread.
RyanZA said:
I'd give it an 8/10. It's pretty accurate in general, but moving it very fast sometimes seems to cause it confusion. Seems to be slightly off by a couple degrees when pointing directly south as well. It's about as good as any compass I've seen in a phone though, and way better than in the SGS1.
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Thank you. Decent is good enough. BTW, I used your Z4mod for a long time on my Vibrant!

Compass needs excessive recalibration

Just spent several days in the wilderness with the 6p, only to discover that the compass looses calibration when you as much as look at it the wrong way. And I am not talking subtle here. At one point the phone had literally reversed North and South, and no amount of recal would fix that. This was in the middle of the AZ desert on a day with crystal clear blue skies. What gives? And why does the compass on any Android phone suck so baldy in comparison to the iPhone. I have never seen the compass on my wife's iPhone get confused. Mine tends to point every which way over the last 4-5 Android phones I have owned.
EDIT: just spent a few more hours figuring it out. Hwawei is, as usual, of absolutely no help. When I called them they asked me to flush the cache and when that did not fix anything they said to call Google. This is pretty much the last Hwawei phone I will buy. In order to make sure I did not do something weird to the phone to cause the compass to misbehave I returned back to stock (yes, this bugs me this much) and sure enough nothing change. My wife's iPhone and my Nexus 6P side by side give a heading that differs by 45 degrees (the iPhone is correct). Furthermore the iPhone heading is properly damped and butter smooth, while the Android one is choppy and looks like crap with three separate apps. Anyone have any suggestions? Fixing this is a must-have for me. There are a couple of photography related apps that are essential to me and use the orientation sensors to superimpose the trajectory of the sun, moon, and milky way on the camera image. If I can't get these to work correctly the phone is getting sold.
EDIT 2: turns out that not all compass apps are created equal, especially when it comes to compass re calibration. Compass by RHB seems to do wonders for me (and others). The app name is generic and a PITA to find on the Play Store, if you look for "Compass calibration" it should be one of the top hits. Thanks to whoever at XDA pointed me that way, I found this on a Google search of XDA.