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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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I'm a long time blackberry user (since the 7100 series) I know this has been talked about several times...I know it has something to do with having a valid pin as thats how bbm communicates with the BIS servers. The program would have to clone a pin or something and be able to ping the server and get access I would think...BlackBerry development has reached several third parties but bbm is a core app and liscensed by RIM so I dont know if or how it could be done would be nice...The final insult to injury lol.
@Sunder74
That's what I had originally thought as well. But I also remember a few years ago when there was a little known, functioning application for WM5 that would do pin messaging (I had tested it while I was working Data Tech at a VZW Call Center).
There's also the up and coming Blackberry Application Suite. It currently only works with BES. I've a hunch that it's probably because they're going to sell pin numbers to corporations or bes server admins.
My other thought is, RIM would probably be more open to selling PIN licenses to individuals if there was a functional, stable piece of software (or base coding) for them to advertise alongside it.
Before the Blackberry App store, I remember going to a website that linked to a bunch of OTA installers grouped by category.
I don't just really want this to work. All the pieces seem to be there. Web2pin proves that the licenses can be purchased and used with bis, somehow. BBAS is about to roll out on WM. It's has to be possible.
I know! I'll sit down in my thinking chair and... Think. Think. Think.
I think the issue here is your all thinking inside the box. Android developers should design there own bbm styled app where android users would get AndroidPins and using the exact framework to create a competition and not a way to just communicate to bb people.
Android Messenger
ver 1.0
Android Pins: A9999-A999999999
Can send msgs threw data just like black berries
Would be free and you could make a donation or pay 1$ for the app
you register your number on the app and you recieve a android pin from the server
and basiclly figure out how to send pushes for when the person recieves and opens and responds to the message
the concept is there for android but i dont think people realize that black berry is like apple they try to close source there stuff which is ok but when android is open source you can litterally work on setting this app to work for communicating with apple iphones maybe blackberries too if you have the skill
just throwin around that idea
I do not know if you have ever noticed this, but bbm is RIM's largest ad campaign. There is very little chance that they would sell bbm PIN's.
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actually theres a app being developed for android its called Hello Messenger. Its already out for iOS and Blackberrys, it works just like bbm, with pin numbers and group chats. Follow them on twitter, @hellomessenger. Also theres a Android beta coming out soon, I signed up for it at http://hellomessenger.com/android/. Tell your friends.
Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Its already out. Search in market
there's also whatsapp
im waiting for WhatsApp it is out for iOS, BBOS, they are developing it for Android 2.1+, WM and S60. It uses your mobile number as your pin so to speak.
Whatsapp is already there. I have it installed on my Desire. You download the app and they have to let you logging, because its a preview, but fully working.
Y will search for the link
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"We have authorized your phone to participate in our beta test. The url for installation is
http:// beta.whatsapp.com/WhatsApp.apk
As this is a very early beta, please let us know if you are able to install successfully Any questions or support go to [email protected] When sending us bugs, please use this route Chats > Menu Settings > About > Contact Us so that we may receive logs at the same time."
Send to them an e-mail saying that you have an android phone and that you want to test their soft and you will get an email similar to that one.
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I get a message saying you are not authorized in the beta. How do i get round that?
You have to send an email to the adress posted before. You have yo tell them that you want to try their soft as beta tester in your android phone.
After few hours/days you will get an email like the one i posted allowing you to use the soft.
I forgot yo say that You have to include in the email your full mobile number (with country code), the same that you use in the app. They use it to activate your app.
Me and my friends used blackberry messenger for the longest time. Mainly the groupchat feature because it was basically a live chat room for only your friends to share pics voice records and randomness. Unfortunately both pinchat and whatsapp do not supply a good group chat. pinchat does have a group chat but its garbage compared to the BBmsger group chat and whatsapp is just flawed. I am still in search for a good group chat program that is also cross platform. or at least on android.
Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Why not try ICQ, throwing a homage to the original IM. Its got native clients for most, if not all platforms. Its even usually listed as a quick install link on BB. Facebook chat is integrated (on desktop and Android versions, don't knpw about Java/Symbian and iOS). You get a number for anti-spaming (like a PIN if you REALLY want to emulate BB).
Yes, some would say "just use X IM app then." But its the only one with native support other than fring. And I find fring clumsy, plus does not have a desktop version.
I have BBM on my work BB. And I know that its superior in a lot of ways, but willing to bet that the reason a lot of features aren't being duplicated are likely legal, not technical, reasons. So I think this is a viable option until whatsapp or others have the kinks worked out (have yet to have a successful convo in 2 days!). Maybe with enough interest they can get the things we want added.
there is app called crosstalk
but i don't know when they will release it
it's written in the official site it will com at the end of aug
but tell now nothing!!!
check this site for more info
http://www.blueplanetapps.com/products/CrossTalk.aspx
2 quick questions..
Why doesn't google talk use the new google push?(would save battery)
Also can't some one use the new push service google made to power a chat program?
http://code.google.com/apis/feed/push/
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? Hmm.. any one?
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Pmessenger , how do they use this?
http://www.pmessenger.net/faq
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-hambelsoftware-pm-iAwD.aspx
Just like the BBM for Blackberry...oh and your welcome
seems like a good app. there is also pingchat2 which is beta right now n im testing it n it works pretty good. chat between bb users, android users n iphone users, group chat also. just gotta figure out a way to chat directly to bbm, i no its a closed protocol, but that would be cool.
It would be a cool application for someone who -
1 - Doesn't have unlimited texts
2 - Has numerous contacts with Android, BB or iPhones
IMHO, might be pretty pointless if you have unlimited messaging.
Either way if you want to give it a shot, post some feedback about it
I've been testing pmessenger for a while now on my blackberry, iphone, and droid. I'm trying to develop something better kinda a bit closer to blackberry messenger.
Hi,
I work for Tango - the newest player in mobile video calling. Hopefully some of you have been able to play around with our app.
We released our application last week, and have been listening to users on some of the items we need to fix/improve with our application.
I am looking for 5-10 HTC EVO users that can help me out with beta testing our product.
The requirements:
1. You have a HTC EVO and feel comfortable installing Beta software on your phone.
2. You can devote 2-3 hours every few weeks to provide us feedback.
3. You feel comfortable having a video call with me (I promise I'm not that scary).
4. You will not share new features with our competitors.
I would prefer to find people who can test this weekend - we have a big fix regarding our battery consumption that we would like to release ASAP.
Please message me with the following:
1. Name/Email
2. Availability to test over the next few months
3. Experience with Android
4. Phone/Version/Rooted? etc.
Thanks!
Dmitry
I just used tango to video chat with my father. He has a new Evo and I have an Epic, it was great!!!
Wow! That was quick, already have 10 people signed up to test on the EVO.
I would like to find other phones to test with as well (especially Galaxy S), but if you feel very passionately that you can contribute to our beta testing, send me a PM and I'll try and add you to the list.
Thank you SO much!
is this better than skype
you have a PM sir
My wife and I have Evo's , both on Fresh rom. I could test if you want.
A couple questions....
Will Tango only video call/chat with other Tango users, or will it also be able to connect to Skype, Qik, Fring, etc..?
Will there also be a desktop version, for your computer? (This is mainly, if it will only connect to Tango users)
I ask, because I have a friend who has Skype on their computer. Skype blocks connection to Qik and Fring, and currently, iMovicha is only one way video (from what I understand).
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A couple questions....
Will Tango only video call/chat with other Tango users, or will it also be able to connect to Skype, Qik, Fring, etc..?
Will there also be a desktop version, for your computer? (This is mainly, if it will only connect to Tango users)
I ask, because I have a friend who has Skype on their computer. Skype blocks connection to Qik and Fring, and currently, iMovicha is only one way video (from what I understand).
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You're spot on about Skype blocking connection to Qik and Fring - for this reason we won't be integrating into their platform.
We're hoping to get a desktop client sometime in the near future, but are focusing on the mobile arena first.
Dmitry S @ Tango said:
You're spot on about Skype blocking connection to Qik and Fring - for this reason we won't be integrating into their platform.
We're hoping to get a desktop client sometime in the near future, but are focusing on the mobile arena first.
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Makes sense... Thanks for the fast reply. Will the app be able to connect to any other desktop clients?
Well I tried Epic to Evo, Epic to Iphone4 and Epic to Droid tonight, all worked flawlessly! Really freakin cool! Never seen a video chat thing be so simple!
I wish I had someone to video chat with. My sister has the iphone 3g, and no one I know has an Evo. I'm going to buy one for my GF for her birthday but that's all the way in March.
I'm down to help.
This APP needs to stop running in the background sucking down the EVO's juice. Many people ran and tested this APP last week and just about all of us unistalled it due to MAJOR battery drain and that APP not closing. Fix those things and this thing will be golden, much nicer than Qik and Fring.
Yeah this App needs some work, but looks promising. Was trying to get it to work all day, but a lot of the times I was getting, connection too slow or some other errors - and this was on WiFi. Anyways, tweak the bugs out and sure looks like a winner
I would be down to test it..
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markushi said:
I wish I had someone to video chat with. My sister has the iphone 3g, and no one I know has an Evo. I'm going to buy one for my GF for her birthday but that's all the way in March.
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I would buy her one early I'm sure she'd make it worth it!
just wondering how the progress of this is going...
I am sure this has been discussed, but i 0 results when I searched this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php
And from Google search the only thing I found was an application called Tango but some said it wasnt possible :http://www.google.com/search?source...ideo+chat+from+MyTouch+4G+to+iPhone+4&qscrl=1
So, is Tango the way to video chat between MT4G and i4? If so is it the only way? Does it require wifi from both sides or just the iPhone? Thanks for any help, and sorry for asking this for probably the millionth time but I couldnt find the previous discussion...
Why don't you just try it? Like seriously you must be asking this because you want to video chat with someone that has an i4 so tell then to dl tango aand try it... like seriously. Wasting time looking for answers you could easily Come up with. Tango works great, the best imho but if you want to see other video chat services, search video chat or calling in market on both devices and look for common apps...
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Yahoo Messenger, ooVoo, Tango are your options as of currently.
Thanks for the help. Also, what I'm doing is actually the opposite of "wasting time". My wifes mytouch arrives tomorrow or the next day, i thought I'd search around and figure out how to video chat before it came so I wouldn't waste time messing with various apps that may or may not work. When we both had vibrants we used fring, but since vibrants are such pieces of **** I wound up with an i4 and tmobile exchanged her piece of **** vibrant for a new mytouch. Incidentally, they told us just to keep the piece of **** vibrant, that's what a piece of **** the vibrant is, tmobile didn't even want to try to refurbish the piece of **** because it's such a piece of ****. I know the majority of this post is superfluous but I just hate the samsung vibrant with every fiber of my being I can't help bad mouthing it every chance I get. We went through 7 vibrants between us and not one had working gps.
jeff7790 said:
can i have your phone?
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Lol, sorry; someone bought mine for around $300 so im going to force my self to sell the wifes even though I know the gps will never work. Look for it on eBay soon it'll be a good starting price, and I think I have at least 1 or 2 extra samsung batteries I'll throw in along with a car mount and a class 6, 8 gb card if I can find it, plus a rubber case and an already perfectly applied screen protector and I guess I'll throw in whatever extra unopened screen protectors I have. I won't stet it at more than $150-$175
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Yahoo Messenger, ooVoo, Tango are your options as of currently.
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First, my sympathies to the OP. I returned the PoS Vibrant at 14 days, many thanks to this fine site for letting me know it was the model, not the sample I received (or its replacement).
I dredged through this forum, and did a search on the wider web trying to find a video chat app for my MT4G, and I didn't find any answer other than the quoted one (which left out Qik).
So. There are 4 options, and NONE of them will talk to any client but their own, is that right?
Which is another way of saying that the FFC is worthless.
Are the software makers such pinheads? The second someone <cough>Google</cough> comes out with video chat that works with Jabber (what Google's Talk uses and iChat can use), all the others become irrelevant. Jabber and Skype would support anyone I ever would video chat with and I'm not holding my breath for Skype to support video anytime soon.
Skype just recently bought out Qik (the video chat on MT4G) and it was announced (or leaked) that they are developing an Android version of their app that supports video calling. It was demoed on the HTC Thunderbolt but isn't available anywhere else yet. So I'm just holding out for Skype because like you said, that's all I would need.
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Skype just recently bought out Qik (the video chat on MT4G) and it was announced (or leaked) that they are developing an Android version of their app that supports video calling. It was demoed on the HTC Thunderbolt but isn't available anywhere else yet. So I'm just holding out for Skype because like you said, that's all I would need.
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First: Great news!
Second: I said it wrong. I should have said "Once support for Jabber and Skype comes out all the others become irrelevant".
Skype gets me to 1 person who I video chat with. Everyone else uses iChat, signing on to jabber.google.com.
And it was an overstatement for me to say that the FFC is useless w/o Skype or Jabber support. I've used it like a mirror a couple times.
Is there any custom rom with native video calling?
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Not that I know of. Try duo
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I think video call codecs and related technologies are proprietary and may never be a custom rom with video calling.
The problem is the cellular industry hasn't adopted a "standard" for video calls... so there is nothing implemented in any ROMs for it. A few OEMs might have their own proprietary implementation, but that isn't very helpful unless it's Apple to Apple or Samsung to Samsung, but these are not really video calling, they are an app that is using a third party server.
True video calling would have to be implemented by the carriers, which would require a standardized implementation to allow it to function between different devices and carriers... and there is no such standard, nor even one proposed to the IEEE or any standards governing group that I am aware of.
TBH, the chanced a carrier will implement this are slim... why could they? There are so many apps that can go this already, Skype, Hangouts, BBM, ICQ, Tango, KakaoTalk, Line, Viber, etc. etc. etc... you get the idea. There is no incentive or demand for it, so custom ROMs or even factory ROMs will likely not implement a method unless carriers adopt a standard.
I am talking about native video calling over 3g or 4g
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I am talking about native video calling over 3g or 4g
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Yeah... Problem is standards, demand, and cost, I thought I was pretty clear.
debanjanhazra said:
I am talking about native video calling over 3g or 4g
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I have yet to see any US carrier with this function. Think about it for a moment. When have you ever seen any ROM (Android, iOS, MS, etc.) have native calling implemented. Sure Apple has FaceTime, Google has duo, and MS owns Skype. But in the end they are still apps. As mentioned there are no standards in place for this and there is no incentive for carriers to pursue such. With the cell phone market being heavy with smartphones, the carriers make huge money off data and setting standards means having government watch dogs involved more.