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if we put linux on the a500 and download virtual box then we can run windows 8 in virtualbox right
I think virtualbox uses x86 hardware, especially if you have the additional virtualization features to make virtualizing x86 possible. I don't think it runs or would even compile on non-x86 hardware.
I could be wrong, but that's how I understand it. I know it doesn't need the x86 extensions, but I think it still uses the similarity to make what it does in cases it doesn't much easier.
It's not an emulator as I understand it.
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if we put linux on the a500 and download virtual box then we can run windows 8 in virtualbox right
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You really do not understand what you're talking about, and even a simple Google search would've told you the answer.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualbox
It clearly says there: "x86", whereas A500 is powered by ARM CPU. Virtualbox doesn't run on ARM, nor does Virtualbox support ARM guest OSes. Even if you magically managed to make Virtualbox run on ARM host OS it would run EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOW.
Short answer: NO.
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You really do not understand what you're talking about, and even a simple Google search would've told you the answer.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=virtualbox
It clearly says there: "x86", whereas A500 is powered by ARM CPU. Virtualbox doesn't run on ARM, nor does Virtualbox support ARM guest OSes. Even if you magically managed to make Virtualbox run on ARM host OS it would run EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOW.
Short answer: NO.
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I tried to be gentler than you were lol
muqali said:
I tried to be gentler than you were lol
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Well, I might have been a little too blunt. I just wanted him to understand that what he planned will never fly.
The ARM - version on W8 could potentially be made to run on the A500 if the devs can figure a way of booting it up, but even then the ARM - version will not be able to run x86 software, so it's still likely not what the OP was hoping for.
Now where was I... Oh, right, looking for more virtual teeth to punch in!!
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Well, I might have been a little too blunt. I just wanted him to understand that what he planned will never fly.
The ARM - version on W8 could potentially be made to run on the A500 if the devs can figure a way of booting it up, but even then the ARM - version will not be able to run x86 software, so it's still likely not what the OP was hoping for.
Now where was I... Oh, right, looking for more virtual teeth to punch in!!
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im runnin the dev preview of 8 on my pc and ive noticed when u install x86 or 64 software it goes to its usual places (prog files) but also creates a folder called apps. this makes me think well be able to run any software on ARM Windows 8 because of how it installs software. i may be full of **** though, i dunno.
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im runnin the dev preview of 8 on my pc and ive noticed when u install x86 or 64 software it goes to its usual places (prog files) but also creates a folder called apps. this makes me think well be able to run any software on ARM Windows 8 because of how it installs software. i may be full of **** though, i dunno.
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Microsoft have already stated QUITE CLEARLY that Arm Win 8 will absolutely NOT run native x86 apps. It WILL, however, be able to run .NET apps, though they will probably have to be compiled under the .NET 4.5 framework first.
And I don't believe in softly softly either. Getting to the truth right away saves time and, quite frankly, if people's skin is so thin that they take offence at a terse reply, then they have no business being on the internet!
hatefuel19 said:
im runnin the dev preview of 8 on my pc and ive noticed when u install x86 or 64 software it goes to its usual places (prog files) but also creates a folder called apps. this makes me think well be able to run any software on ARM Windows 8 because of how it installs software. i may be full of **** though, i dunno.
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You are, confirmed here:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/09/16/1324243/microsoft-no-windows-8-arm-support-for-x86-apps
FloatingFatMan said:
Microsoft have already stated QUITE CLEARLY that Arm Win 8 will absolutely NOT run native x86 apps. It WILL, however, be able to run .NET apps, though they will probably have to be compiled under the .NET 4.5 framework first.
And I don't believe in softly softly either. Getting to the truth right away saves time and, quite frankly, if people's skin is so thin that they take offence at a terse reply, then they have no business being on the internet!
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Please Dont make me cry.I had 3rd shoulder surgery 3 hours ago.still numerous an
n in a foggy mind.
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erica_renee said:
Please Dont make me cry.I had 3rd shoulder surgery 3 hours ago.still numerous an
n in a foggy mind.
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You have three shoulders!?!?!?
Another one of these.......
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Please Dont make me cry.I had 3rd shoulder surgery 3 hours ago.still numerous an
n in a foggy mind.
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Don't worry about comments by miserable ppl ER, that's what the "block user" function is for in your user CP. Then you only have to see their posts if someone else quotes them. He's been on my list pretty much since day one.
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im runnin the dev preview of 8 on my pc and ive noticed when u install x86 or 64 software it goes to its usual places (prog files) but also creates a folder called apps. this makes me think well be able to run any software on ARM Windows 8 because of how it installs software.
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I don't understand how can you come to the conclusion that Win8 could somehow run applications compiled for a completely different architechture based on just the fact that they're not installed the same way they're installed now.
You people really need to get a grip on reality.
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Don't worry about comments by miserable ppl ER, that's what the "block user" function is for in your user CP. Then you only have to see their posts if someone else quotes them. He's been on my list pretty much since day one.
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Typing with one hand
No biggie.but thanks.Surgery a 3rd ttime on my left shoulder. I so much wanna go back to work.if you have nothing nice to. Say say nothing.
As far as win 8 arm from a Microsoft conference I seen showing off windows 8.There will be app type.touch programs.or youncan intact run full blown cross platform programs.this came from. Ms.but was several months back.I seen a mess coming.Burnside not under estimate the abilities of ms. They get alot of crap yet we all have there software in one form or another.
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or youncan intact run full blown cross platform programs.
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Those cross-platform applications will need to be written in either pure .NET 4.5, or in HTML5/JS, ie. non-native code. And well, obviously, HTML5/JS applications will run on any platform, not just Win8.
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im runnin the dev preview of 8 on my pc and ive noticed when u install x86 or 64 software it goes to its usual places (prog files) but also creates a folder called apps. this makes me think well be able to run any software on ARM Windows 8 because of how it installs software. i may be full of **** though, i dunno.
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I'm also running windows 8 on my older computer.
It seems to be designed for tablets and pcs.
Your start screen is actually where the apps are.
If you use one of these and switch to another one you don't close the first one.
If you return to it it is open right where you left it just like a tablet.
With Regular programs like word you can close them.
It will take some getting used to.
Alternatively, do what I did.
Sell your A500 and buy a W500 on the cheap on ebay. I actually made a small profit!
Run Win8 on it.. works flawlessly and so much faster than Android in.. well, pretty much anything.
I'm typing this on a 22" widescreen at 1920x1080 in an RDP session.. something I couldn't do on Android.
Biggest problem with W500 is that it looks like it was designed by.. no wait... they didn't bother hiring any designers... some guy got some plastic casing and slapped a Windows 7 sticker on it.
Oh, and I haven't figured out how the alarm works... tablet goes to sleep and I have to wake it up and then the alarm goes off!! I'm sure it's meant to work the other way round.....
Well, have you tried that? (running Windows 8 on Acer A500 Tablet)
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My A500 Rocks!
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Well, have you tried that? (running Windows 8 on Acer A500 Tablet)
Give us feedback and results.
My A500 Rocks!
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Does nobody "really" get it?!?
The ARM version has not been released, and you cannot run the x86/x64 version on the A500!
kjy2010 said:
Does nobody "really" get it?!?
The ARM version has not been released, and you cannot run the x86/x64 version on the A500!
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I know that! (just kidding)
But if the OP is still persistent of doing that, he should done it.
Hi!
I just heard about Windows 8 and i have Two questions.
Does Windows 7 applications runt on this?
And Can you upgrade from Windows 7?
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Hi!
I just heard about Windows 8 and i have Two questions.
Does Windows 7 applications runt on this?
And Can you upgrade from Windows 7?
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I solved this myself!
If you wan't links i can't post them so pm me for them!
the answer for everyone else is yes and yes and for the most part drivers from windows 7 also work.
EDIT: apps will be lost but settings and files will be kept.
Some stuff you need to right click and choose compatiblity mode.
FYI the windows phone emulator does some freaky **** to win8 so don't try running it, you've been warned.
Ok thanks!
My installation is stuck on 33%
What should i do?
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But windows 8 is not out yet?
You can download a developers preview. Looks quite nice.
Still stuck on 33%...
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Would you recommend trying Windows 8 developers preview or should I wait until the official release.
I think it is awesome try it!
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what could prevent you from trying?
Install it in a virtual machine for easy installing and easy deleting
OR
create an extra partition and install it there for a realistic performance impression.
win8 is nice but feels more like a mobile phone os than one geared for computers. tied too closely to the ms live services as well, did not like that it would change my live messenger picture when i changed my login image on win8.
if you have a touch screen pc (like the aio's) then this might be more practical, but it doesn't seem to be intended for mouse and keyboard use.
Windows 8 is for the most part, pretty similar to Windows 7.
Most applications and drivers will work.
But so far here's a mini list of applications that aren't working for anyone:
- AIM
- Combat Arms
- Maple Story
(yeah it's a really bad list but hey XD)
How did you manage to upgrade from Windows 7? I don't have the option on Windows 7 Professional.
first. there are some apps which from win7 can not run in win 8.
second. you cant upgrade to win 8 from win 7.
finally. win 8 is great. but it is not stable with some kind of hardware. you should install both win 7 and win 8 to have the best in working and getting exp
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Windows 8 is for the most part, pretty similar to Windows 7.
Most applications and drivers will work.
But so far here's a mini list of applications that aren't working for anyone:
- AIM
- Combat Arms
- Maple Story
(yeah it's a really bad list but hey XD)
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add Samsung Kies ;-)
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I tried out Windows 8 about a month ago and felt that it was a decent experience. Unfortunately for me though it wouldnt find the driver for my wireless card (WRT54GS) so I ended up uninstalling it.
Maybe its me but I don't see the big deal about it. I didnt really use the metro UI and the new changes to explorer didnt make or break the experience, it was just meh.
I'm tempted to try it but having issues with drivers and stuff is too annoying lol.
Hi all!
Well I'm running W8 dev installed in host (not virual) and it works great on my 6 years old computer.
I think it's awesome, it takes lots of memory but it wors so fast.
I was running w7 x86 before trying this and it was quite slow for my comp also for playing (league of legends around 25-30fps). Now I'm running w8 64 and it has been improved from 30-40fps (my graphic card is quite old). Maybe cause it's 64 instead of 32 bits?
My comp is an AMD athlon 64 3800 x2, 2GB DDR, 320GB SATA and nVidia 7800 GT CO
Anyway I recommend for everyone to try it, I've been using it a week from now and I think it's awesome but there're some apps that doesn't works at all of the Metro UI such as Socialité and the Weather app
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i installed win8 on my laptop. It is using similar resources to win7.
Win8 is great, but its still very buggy (pretty good for a pre beta)
I am sure it change a lot from now till the release date, but at least we get a picture of what to expect.
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Hi,
I have had a problem with my laptop for a couple of weeks but it used to be like this when i was on windows 7. I have a compaq presario CQ60 214-em it is a 1.70GHZ intel celeron dual core and 3gb ram and also running consumer preview windows 8 . My problem is from time to time my computer gets very slow and sometimes very fast (like now) sometime when i click on the metro apps for example the email app it hangs on the it boot screen and then goes back to the start same with other apps. i had a look in the task manager when my laptop gets slow and the processor is running at a speed of 0.20 ghz?? and the cpu usage is mostly in the 90's % but when it is running fast it is usually using the full 1.70Ghz .
I was also thinking about going to Windows 8 RTM and do a fresh install but I am looking on torrent sites and it looks like people are having trouble activating. I have included a screenshot for your attention
If anyone has any ideas please let me know. Thanks in advance.
Can anyone help please?
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Suggest getting the Enterprise Trial version and try that. It's good for 90 days. You're running an old beta, so the first step is to get the latest code. After that, you're on your own.
BTW, it's dumb to talk of torrenting the RTM on a public forum. The only thing worse than cocktail pirates are ones who can't troubleshoot their own PCs.
Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!
willrider said:
Finally got Ubuntu to run on this hench Note!!
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at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?
makanimike said:
at the risk of this being a dumb question: how come you still have the android notification bar?
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Most likely running under vnc
yep!! chrooted and vnc'ed into it.
everything seems smooth... except when unmounting
May have to give this a try
I can upload my script if it helps.
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I can upload my script if it helps.
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There are several apps such as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid which automate the process of setting it up. Might be worth checking out for anyone interested.
nicely done!
Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?
I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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I read about this a while back and can't remember exactly how it worked, but apparently it does run on the phone/tablet along side the Android operating system and you do indeed have to VNC into it.
Also, I heard back when people first started doing this that it wasn't a spectacular experience due to VNC controls on a touch screen being poor.
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Weird... I'm not quite sure how that would work - you'd be multitasking the OSes.. which is brutal.
Oh well, time to do a little digging.
We need a native port of Ubuntu because this will transform our tablet into a more productive product then tablets with Win8 .
An alternative would be "Ubuntu for Android", but again, is not available.
The VNC thing is lacking pressure sensitive controls, the protocol does not support this.
how to install？
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Ok... perhaps I'm being dense.. but the original post seems to be claiming he has Ubuntu running *ON* his Note. Which to me means 'I've overwritten Android and am using Ubuntu as the operating system on this tablet'. VNC should have NOTHING to do with it. (Which brings us back to 'why is there an Android menu bar at the bottom?)
If you're running VNC and just remoting to computer using Ubuntu, then it's not running on the tablet, you're just remoting in - which would work with Windows or MacOS just as well.
The other possibility, which also doesn't need VNC is if you got VirtualBox or some other emulator running and were running Ubuntu on that - which would be pretty cool, although not THAT spectacular.
So?
Which is it?
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the note runs a ARM image of ubuntu, using chroot and VNC into it (localhost or127.0.0.1).
it would be pretty pointless to show it running off a pc.
So based on my understanding, you installed ubuntu on your galaxy note 10.1 (which runs in parallel with the android OS) and the only way to access it is through VNC at the local port? Is my understanding correct?
If yes, does this run GIMP like other ARM linux devices?, cause this might make me want to buy a note 10.1 more (Still on the fence since I can only buy it on December). Could you also post the resource links/scripts so that other members with their notes can try? I'd also like to ask how is the performance over VNC? Does it lag a bit?
You can install GIMP and other apps that are not architecture dependent. However it is not for everyday use as it is rather slow. I haven't tried image editing yet. Vnc doesn't support pen pressure and all that.
I will upload the script once I clean it up a bit and plug a few holes
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how to install？
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Easiest way is this app, it has links to prebuilt ARM images and all that good stuff.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zpwebsites.linuxonandroid
Anyway, for people who are confused, all chroot does is essentially let you start up Ubuntu userspace stuff on top of the Android kernel, since it's just a Linux kernel anyway. The main benefit is to be able to run any ARM linux software, although graphical stuff is fairly useless because currently there isn't any complete port of X11 to Android so you have to use VNC to run graphical stuff which becomes generally pretty slow no matter the device. You can also SSH into the Ubuntu install which I find more useful for eg. running a web server development environment, or just to have git/ssh/other proper Linux utilities rather than having to use busybox stuff. Personally I think the most useful thing is if you're a vim/emacs user and have a bluetooth keyboard, you can get a lot of work done that way. My emacs-fu is weak so I haven't really used it that much to be honest.
So the performance with gui sucks as of now. Oh well I'll just wait for the official ubuntu OS to be available:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_for_Android
Based on initial data, these are the system requirements:
According to Canonical a phone needs the following requirements:[6]
Dual-core 1 GHz CPU
Video acceleration: shared kernel driver with associated X driver; OpenGL, ES/EGL
Storage: 2 GB for OS disk image
HDMI: video-out with secondary framebuffer device
USB host mode
512 MB RAM
Hope someone ports the official builds on the ubuntu phones and makes compatible drivers for the wacom and touchscreen.
Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation
Tozzy2 said:
Otherwise i might give it a try. Well, lol I could if I had a windows XP ISO Just wondered how it would perform. Is it worth trying or not worth the hassle? Would be cool if bochs/ qemu supported quad core emulation
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Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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Too much hassle, it'll sh1t a brick with the ARM chip and it will only look at 1 core. It'll work but very sloooooooooow.
You'd have more fun trying to run Ubuntu.
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Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.
Apt is fine however more needs automating. You should get an option to purge and autoremove/autoclean from the GUI in an ideal world.
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Agreed. Too much hassle for no reward.
And even (Ubuntu) is a slow mess on the Nexus 7. I don't honestly know why anyone wants to do this.. My main PC is a Unbuntu machine.. I run 12.10 w/ dual monitors, 8GB RAM and an ATI 6990. Love it.. Ubuntu is great.. For a PC... The problem with Ubuntu and any linux distro in general and why it sucks on a portable device is it is still entirely way too dependent on terminal commands to clean up its crappy package system. Installing packages is a simple click. One click, app installed along with 8,000 dependencies! Removing them is a click followed by dropping to terminal to purge and auto remove all the useless dependencies that were left behind. I love Ubuntu to death but for the love of god someone needs to get the balls to break away from the tired debian package system.
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Say whaaat? Ubuntu is not a slow mess at all - you just need to get rid of Unity, and it's AMAZING. Chromium is actually faster than on Android!
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first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.
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first, you could just leave the dependencies there, doesn't really hurt anyone. second, try synaptic, which is a great gui for apt with purge and autoremove options.
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True.. But some of us are OCD about trash lying around. :laugh:
I actually dropped Ubuntu since my post and went back to Mint.. 12.10 just entirely too buggy..
ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update
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ok thanks guys. You're right, I think it would be a waste of time on just one 1.3Ghz core. Besides, desktop emulation never really would be an ideal environment on any device as it's too greedy on system resources. I have been interested about flashing real linux on this thing, but even that isn't really worth doing unless one just wants a bit of fun til the novelty wears off. The tiny fonts wouldn't be kind to the eyes and navigation would be painfully awkward. Ok, it's jelly bean all the way for me til the next update
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Debian itself would be ideal for the N7.. God how sweet would that be? Boot up the small debian ISO and build your own work environment on the N7 from a bare bones minimum base install.
THAT would be fun..