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Hi,
i found this linux distribution for ppc devices and ppc-phone devices.
Has anyone try it?
Screenshots
http://www.mizi.com/en/prod/embed/embedded_smart.htm
Howto
http://www.mizi.com/en/developer/s3c2410x/
regards
AleX
They do not sell or share the code unless you buy their hardware!
I am working with HTC ( the OEM maker for Wallaby) to get a device with Linux in it or at least the ROM with the US RIL( radio stack layers) for US.
I have seen a device with it running and it is Great!
NTT DOCOMO is making a call to open source OS in all their devices! So there will be some interesting developments in this area!
Isn't it made for 3G (CMDA) SmartPhones?
-arebelspy
So there is no way to kill my ppc-windows and install this minix-linux on my mda-II?
;-(((
AleX
(I don´t like this buggy windows)
WOW, the screen shots sure looks good! 8)
ahh, salvation from MS?
I e-mailed those MIZI guys... they probably don't have anything for us now, but notice, they sell some version of the OS for ipaq's on handango. So, obviously they do market their software.
If they get enough inquiries, they may be persuaded to implement something for us poor lost souls?
Ask them!!!! It's like voting, together we can affect them, most likely.
ronin said:
I am working with HTC ( the OEM maker for Wallaby) to get a device with Linux in it or at least the ROM with the US RIL( radio stack layers) for US.
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Hi... just a matter of interest, what do you mean by you're "working with HTC to get a device with Linux in it?"
As a few people including me are working on porting Linux onto the XDA, is there anything that might help us? :wink:
emailing and maybe calling is the best thing you can do.
Technically, this is a club. I ran a car club for 2 years (www.2gstratus.org if anyone is wondering, i created it, then sold it)
in our situations, we werent looking for operating system, gps or what ever, but we were looking for big ticket items (super chargers, body kits, etc...)
members emailed, called, what ever, and eventually, companys that normally would over look us, eventually began to develope $3000+ products for us
the more interest, the better ur chances.
there is a linux distrobution out there. friendlylinux.com i think
its form ARM. more specifically, the ipaqs
i had tried to install a version of it on my viewsonic v35, but it didnt work, the bootblaster kept crashing on me.
thats all i know
-Mario
It is really a shame for us to PAID for a LINUX disturubtion.......
Linux should be free, right? :twisted:
Linux - Familiar
There is familiar. XDA II & HP22XX long way off. Could be sooner, but NDA=$$$$
Mr.g
MIZI / Linux Response
Here's what the Mizi guy had to say (somebody more technical than me please convince him that it's a great idea to make this thing work on the XDA):
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Hello Rene,
My product doesn't currently support T-mobile with following reasons;
- To support a certain target, it requires lots of engineerings as for a
commercial level.
- To support a certain target, it requres detailed HW information.
I love to support Tmobile however the chance isn't come yet
Michael Lee
VP of Marketing / MIZI Research, Inc.
9F Sambo Bldg, 88 Samsung Dong,
Kangnam Gu, Seoul 13-090, Korea
Tel: +82-2. 538. 0230 (137)
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
^^ Sources
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
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WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
Next version of Windows Mobile: Derek Snyder, Microsoft employee, gave this presentation which was under NDA and can’t be discussed in detail. I can tell you that I have seen the next version of Windows Mobile (not Windows Mobile 7) that is scheduled to ship to manufacturers in the 1st quarter of 2008. We saw it running on current hardware, but that does not mean that wireless carriers or manufacturers will necessarily provide the update to consumers. Personally, I think this is the OS that Windows Mobile 6 should have been and I think that consumers will be quite pleased with the functionality and features of this next update.
I found out this Here
So, the xdains here will be able to port it to all devices hopefully.
wont it just be like having win xp and making it look like vista. no real changes just look
No it won't be like changing WinXP to look like Vista... because there are MAJOR differences between XP and Vista.
At the very least theres an entirely new sound and graphics subsystems, all new memory management systems, all new security systems... anyways far too many to list here! but you really should learn about whats different before passing judgement!
ahhh, it's not any where near the coolness of iPhone. I wonder when microsoft going to implement the gesture to its application. I have been microsoft long time fan, hate it to switch provider.
another blog (who was present in Amsterdam) i just read said that along with the new WM6 look, the WM6.1 or the upgrade will have new applications.. among those are : group or team calendar (maybe an outlook calendar update), wherein you can simultaneously see multiple calendars and agendas (from different people) allowing schedule and agenda synchronization between the two (super useful if you have a partner and needs to easily squeeze a meeting/date between two crowded agendas).. no more asking "are you free this afternoon?".. and an application called "Oops! I'm late" (funny name), which uses GPS and mobile internet to automatically pinpoint your exact location, assess nearby traffic and geographical situation, and automatically computes your ETA (estimated time of arrival) based on calendar appointments.. and it AUTOMATICALLY sends out emails and text messages to people in your appointment, notifying them that you will be coming late along with your ETA and the current traffic situation at your location.
very very nice.. along with that.. is a major visual overhaul! i hope it'll look like the glassy vista style interface seen in microsoft demo site here
good news!!!
For the love of GOD, please, PLEASE update that pos Pocket Outlook. I beg you.
Anymore screenshots??? i really dont see MUCH of a difference?
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Anymore screenshots??? i really dont see MUCH of a difference?
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no screen shots are possible or any other info (as of what the real WM6.1 upgrade interface looks like and what are its new features), except those already given by the bloggers who were present at the Mobius event at Amsterdam.. they were all sworn to a NDA or Non Disclosure Agreement.. meaning no information, other than those agreed to be disclosed (the 2 applications namely Team Calendar and Oops! I'm Late - these served as a sneak peak/teaser) should be leaked out or else, those persons will be legally liable to face the law.. they can say many things about the new look in general adjectives such as beautiful, revolutionary and long awaited, but you can't force them to tell the specifics or their asses will be kicked by Microsoft BIGTIME..
so as of now.. we only have speculations about the NEW look, based on what we have seen earlier and the rumors running around the net (the Windows media center-like carousel like that in the T-mobile shadow or the Palm 500v, the integration of Vista Side Show, and a new GUI effect)..
if you'll be patient.. i can feel that this new WM6 will surely be presented to the public at the CES (Consumer Electronics Show) this coming January..
hmm sounds cool! + i would be really happy if i could sync my stuff with integrated vista apps and not just outlook..
I'm very ready to give it a try next year...the sooner the better for us!!!!
Anyone think M$ would have released this update free were it not for the iPhone?
Well I'm looking forward to seeing this.
Come on people - if we're asking for things we can't get without people getting into legal issues (i.e. Screenshots, additional details) why not go all out! I personally would like to request a leaked rom!
I am really glad that I have chosen the WM platform for my phone. It was so much fun being able to upgrade from the very original WM5, then the various flavours of WM6 ROM. My phone is one year old now but it still feels new to me.
I don't know of other phone platforms which let me do the same.
Dear all,
I just have a very old topic asked many time, on different threads but I have a reason for those who have patience to read it all,
Well friends I have read on many forms that if anybody wants android then they should buy android device, & those want windows phone should buy a windows device, BUT LET ME TELL THE NEW SMARTPHONE members,
" its not stupid to ask for dual OS on a newer device, most of us have our PC with dual OS whether win95se & win98se, or windows Me & win XP or vista or XP & win7, and Linux" so it should be promoted at an open resourse like xda forum, rather than asking to buy particular is device, its just matter of interest for experienced developers to work for these multiple OS. On one device,
I can just say a tag from one of our famous xda developers 'BePE' " ITS Our device & we are the one to decide what we wish to run on our purchased devices, we paid a handsome money to buy these devices, &its not Microsoft or apple or google or Nokia or etc to lock up our options just in the name of security and putting so many locks(developer lock, root lock, interop unlock) its a free world
For those who think its absurd I will just say that (except htc magician & HTC PDA2K)
I Have seen happen from early devices, right from k-jam to jasjam to to JasJar(aka universal) to HTC tytn to HTC diamond to HTC topaz to HTC Blackstone & finally to the legendary HTC hd2 every user who believes that user is the person who decides what he wants to run on the device, as they pay a handsome amount to buy the devices
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Dear all,
I just have a very old topic asked many time, on different threads but I have a reason for those who have patience to read it all,
Well friends I have read on many forms that if anybody wants android then they should buy android device, & those want windows phone should buy a windows device, BUT LET ME TELL THE NEW SMARTPHONE members,
" its not stupid to ask for dual OS on a newer device, most of us have our PC with dual OS whether win95se & win98se, or windows Me & win XP or vista or XP & win7, and Linux" so it should be promoted at an open resourse like xda forum, rather than asking to buy particular is device, its just matter of interest for experienced developers to work for these multiple OS. On one device,
I can just say a tag from one of our famous xda developers 'BePE' " ITS Our device & we are the one to decide what we wish to run on our purchased devices, we paid a handsome money to buy these devices, &its not Microsoft or apple or google or Nokia or etc to lock up our options just in the name of security and putting so many locks(developer lock, root lock, interop unlock) its a free world
For those who think its absurd I will just say that (except htc magician & HTC PDA2K)
I Have seen happen from early devices, right from k-jam to jasjam to to JasJar(aka universal) to HTC tytn to HTC diamond to HTC topaz to HTC Blackstone & finally to the legendary HTC hd2 every user who believes that user is the person who decides what he wants to run on the device, as they pay a handsome amount to buy the devices
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OK. What EXACTLY is your point?
Another idiot. Try port it by yourself, stop asking it. Noone cares about your request.
Android is a pesky system as far as hardware requirements are concerned. you will need new drivers for pretty much everything there is in windows phone hardware.
There is also the secure boot chip, which won't allow anything but windows phone to boot on the device. So good luck porting it.
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OK. What EXACTLY is your point?
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The point is my friend that I am not asking to do a android port for windows device and its the first time I am posting any thing regarding android on a windows forum, but as I mentioned I see lot of users asking about the dual os and the reply they get is " buy a android device"
Its absurd, previously we used to see a decent and logical explainations like " it depends on how many users are interested in such development'
Its XDA developers forum & is a decent and respectable and its been open to any idea, people must maintain the dignity of this place, rather than Dictating the other users to buy a different devices
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Another idiot. Try port it by yourself, stop asking it. Noone cares about your request.
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I know my options mr. Smart a** and I am not asking it to develop it for me, I just pointed out the matter, well if the person who asks such question was so brilliant and in a position to develop a dual os by himself than he rathar than asking in forum he/se would have posted it and made a sticky on your face.
This is a creative forum, to promote ideas, not a personal property of yours,
If it would have been that no one cares than we would still have only wm 2003se or wm5 or wm6 or em6.5 on many devices are running dual boot at present
one idea on this would be to wait for the android emulator in the SDK to get updated to windows RT, (windows RT and winphone 8 have the same kernel) so once that happens, we can run our emulator on top of winphone 8
I may be slow, but it's a start point.
Well hardware doesn't look much of a deciding factor - as these days there are many android devices powdered by krait but i believe we must port/re write drivers build new kernel etc . We need a hell lot of people with good enough know how on the technical side of things to have a constructive discussion on this subject here .
Just say no to Andoroid on Windows devices.:silly:
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Just say no to Andoroid on Windows devices.:silly:
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Seriously, I've had two Android devices; a phone and a tablet. I gave them a try because you had more options to customize and such but the OS just plain sucks ass and it's glitch just like if not worse than Windows Mobile. I use to complain about not being able to do the stuff I use to be able too on WM all the time when I switched to WP but now I don't have to worry about extrem lagg, reboots and battery drains.
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Well hardware doesn't look much of a deciding factor - as these days there are many android devices powdered by krait but i believe we must port/re write drivers build new kernel etc . We need a hell lot of people with good enough know how on the technical side of things to have a constructive discussion on this subject here .
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thanks you for your generous reply, i feel that's how we at xda have been reasoning politely to our fellow members
And again a thread on the same topic and I'll give you pretty much the same reply I have given on most of those threads: it's just not very likely to happen anytime soon.
It has always taken quite a long time before HSPL has become available on WP7 devices and for some there still is none. Especially Nokias Bootloaders have been declared to hard to hack by some developers. Given that with WP8 Microsoft introduced Secure Boot which cryptographically verifies the Bootloader AND Kernel for correct signatures before loading them it has gotten quite a lot harder to do than it has been on WP7 and even though there was HSPL for WP7 devices (and devices like the HTC Titan had a practically identical brother with Android) there has never even been the hint of a succesful port.
Aside from that - many Android ports to other hardware (Windows Mobile) were either unstable or lacked lots of hardware support (Camera and GPS being the most common problems). Based on all this, the correct answer to people who bought a WP device but don't like the OS and would prefer Android can only be: sell the device and buy an Android device. You can do it today and it will work reasonably well.
The alternative would be to tell people to wait for an unlikely event (a port) to happen and then after more than a year get a system that lacks important functionality or performs badly. Therefore, with all the information currently available the only answer to give people who ask for it: if you want Android buy an Android device (or port it yourself).
Hello,
Do you all know of anybody emulating android on rugged devices like the Motorola MC9190 and MC9090 or forklift mounted computers like Honeywell THOR VM1?
We are migrating to a new warehouse software that requires android. The Motorolas run on either Windows Mobile 6 or CE 6. The Honeywell devices run on CE6. Need to make sure that is not easily achievable before we do a full hardware refresh to accommodate the new software.
Thank you!
Hello,
Welcome to XDA.
Your thread will be moved to the forum linked below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/general
And in the meantime you can check this thread out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/win...dydroid-run-android-windows-lag-free-t2928531
If that isn't an option for you then you can look through the threads in the forum linked below.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/software
Good luck.
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Hi, I'm not dev but I have experience with enterprise devices (MC9xxx or Thor VMs etc). You've probably found it already by yourself that it's not reasonably possible to "emulate"/run Android on Windows CE.
IMHO someone should plan ahead with device replacement costs into the Warehouse system upgrade budget at first. Only thing you can do is to either sell them and buy new one or to connect to warehouse system different way (How do you connect "desktop" clients to it?) - Browser? RDP? For example you are able to use HTML5 Webkit browser on at least Windows CE6.0 devices (MC9190 and Thor VM1)