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My Jamin just slept to Death...

Had it at about 70% battery (around) last night, after 12 hours or so today, it refused to turn on.
I got it to turn on finally with a soft reset, and the battery showed 28%!!
I have no idea how it could have run down so fast, though it could have been something I left on (maybe wifi?).
I'm still surprised it would refuse to turn on at 28% though...

My Dopod 818 Pro is having this problem ever since I bought it. If I turn off the screen using the power switch or let it go to standby automatically, most of this time I can't turn it on again and have to do a soft reset.
I do not see a lot of Dopod users complaining about this problem so I am wondering if I have a faulty set. Other than this problem, everything else works fine.

i'm having the same problem. Do you think there will be a rom fix?

I just found an interesting observation regarding this sleep-to-death (STD) issue. If I left my Dopod overnight and got the STD problem the next day, the battery had drained considerably. It was fully charged the night before, but after 8 hours, the battery is only at 40 percent.
But since more than one person is having this issue, is it still a hardware problem?

This is not a hardware issue, its more like an unoptimised ROM issue. I suppose it will be fixed with an update in the future.
Leaving WiFi on does not matter because your device automatically goes into standby mode after a pre-defined time (3 minutes by default). In that case, even if you leave 10 apps running in the background, it won't make a difference for the aforementioned reason.
With the HTC Universal, what happened was that people would leave apps running in the background and once they are done using the device, they would just close the device thinking that it would shut off, but it wouldn't because the standy-mode was disabled by most people to get a snappier device. In such a situation, battery would drain rapidly overnight as the device hasn't gone into standby mode.
This situation will occur on the JAMin too IF there is no default standy-by mode set.

I have an HTC Universal (O2 XDA EXEC) and had the same thing happen to me two nights in a row. The battery was at 100% when i went to bed and i woke up and realized i was late as the alarm i had set didnt wake me up.
I had to soft reset the phone and the battery was down to 24% and then the alarm starting going off, a bit late though. I have had this phone for three days, and im not happy about this failing twice on me.
The only thing i have changed is running a coporate install (0506) so that o2 active wasnt on the phone.
Is there any fix for this??
Rom version: 1.13.82 WWE
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version: 42.37.P8
ExtROM version 1.13.188 WWE

Go to Settings>System>Power and check the "switch off device after x minutes" option. By default it is 3 minutes, but i have set it to one minute as that serves my purpose. You will notice the drastic difference immediately .

It kind of sounds like an issue I've seen on my m600. It's a wm5 bug where activesync will try to connect all the time, randomly, even if your device is off. It can cause STD (sleep to death) and will. It's a simple fix. Just install the autosyncschedule.cpf and run it. It's a simple little .cab that will change some settings. Hope it helps
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/59d707c...amin/DisableSyncSchedule.cpf?bftVi9DBC7gsZI7r
If that link to my yahoo briefcase doesn't work, you can get this file at eten-users.net in the download section under /utilities/wm5. It solved all STD's with the eten and so far with my jamin. 8)

You can also fix the Active Sync bug manually.
To do so open ActiveSync on your WM5 device and tap on Menu>Add Server Source. Add any info to create a fake server sync. After that is complete go to Menu>Schedule and change the two dropdowns to "Manual" and tap "ok" at the top right.

Slept to death- I've sussed out why my device was doing this
I had an SD card from my i-mate Jam inserted, and after taking this out, the situation stopped happening. So if you've got an SD card in try running the device without for a while to see if that helps...

WMWifiRouter Automated Registry Hack Issue

First of all, you guys doing the development for our devices are simply amazing. By improving the usability of our pda phones you are actually significantly improving the quality of day to day life (at least for me personally). It's a big deal, so thank you for all your work.
I don't post very often, but I lurk every day and generally have no issues to post about, but now one has come about that I need some help with.
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So I just began using Chainfire's WMWifiRouter yesterday for the first time, and it works perfectly for me. To be able to wirelessly tether multiple laptops is an unbelievably useful and cool capability. One of the features built in which is a very welcome one is also causing me a problem.
As you all know (if you've used the program) it is set up to keep the wifi active if you hit the power button and put the device in standby.
My issue is that it seems that the change it makes to keep the wifi active in standby doesn't revert to the default setting when the program is closed. So when I'm not using the program and I am connected to a wifi network in my house, and I press the power button, the battery is still draining very fast. Normally I can keep it in standby all day just waiting for calls to come in to wake it up and the battery will barely go down. But today I put it in standby and try to turn it on a couple hours later and it's completely dead.
It is just my assumption that the problem is caused by what I described because using this program is the only new thing I've begun doing since yesterday before the problem existed. Soft reset doesn't change anything, and the "crash cleanup" option doesn't help.
Can anyone confirm that I am correct in my assumption of the cause of the problem? Or any other ideas of what could be causing it? Just to be clear, I'm using a version that came with my rom (Colonel's 12-28-07 custom rom for the sprint mogul) and it is an older verion, v.081. I would try the newest version, but I couldn't find any details on the website about how much it costs once the trial is over.
Thanks a lot if anyone can help, I'd appreciate any bits of insight even if you're not completely sure.
THANK YOU!

So, no one has any thoughts on this?
It is becoming quite annoying to have to turn off the wifi in the comm manager every time I put the phone into standby just so it's not dead in an hour and a half.
Also, if I leave the wifi on and hit the power button, when I turn it back on the symbol shows the wifi connection still active but when trying to stream a radio station or open a browser it won't connect, and I have to turn off and back on the wifi to get a new working connection.
I'd just like to know if any of the other thousands of wmwifirouter users have the same experience, or just haven't noticed it or what.
Thanks.

Mogulus: Please try my Wifi Profiles -option Wifi Power->Normal Mode in menu.

BINGO!!!
Your program absolutely did the trick, thank you so much.
The only other suggestion I got was to flip off the wifi switch before entering standby and flipping it back on when returning from standby. Well that is simple enough but when you're picking the thing up every few minutes to check a random thing that pops in your head, that extra step gets so annoying.
Again, thanks a lot, you can expect a donation from me.
Thank you!!

Mogulust:
You are welcome
And Your suggestion - added to tasklist

battery life suddenly gone awry

hi all,
I've installed a raft of apps in the last few days (perhaps that was foolish) on my sim-free white Hero, and suddently the battery life has gone to pieces. It now won't even last the night *in standby with wifi off*.
Any ideas as to the known battery killers, or any way I can track down which is causing this? I don't really have to want to start removing apps at random and monitoring.
There's nothing particularly unusual in my list of running apps, following a power cycle (is there?):
Shake Awake, NetCounter, AK Notepad, OI Update & Countdown, Tube Status, Battery Widget, BBC News widget, Peep
(although that does raise a separate question: why do things like ShopSavvy, AK Notepad, start at boot, when presumably they're not really doing anything until you use them?)
Of course, I have other things that get started asynchronously, just not at boot, e.g. SMS Popup.
anyone got any ideas, please?
thanks much indeed.

cdmackay said:
hi all,
I've installed a raft of apps in the last few days (perhaps that was foolish) on my sim-free white Hero, and suddently the battery life has gone to pieces. It now won't even last the night *in standby with wifi off*.
Any ideas as to the known battery killers, or any way I can track down which is causing this? I don't really have to want to start removing apps at random and monitoring.
There's nothing particularly unusual in my list of running apps, following a power cycle (is there?):
Shake Awake, NetCounter, AK Notepad, OI Update & Countdown, Tube Status, Battery Widget, BBC News widget, Peep
(although that does raise a separate question: why do things like ShopSavvy, AK Notepad, start at boot, when presumably they're not really doing anything until you use them?)
Of course, I have other things that get started asynchronously, just not at boot, e.g. SMS Popup.
anyone got any ideas, please?
thanks much indeed.
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I had the same issue when i put on battery widget, I saw the % going down while watching the phone.

oh! that's ironic
I do get the impression that it's more recent than that, but it could well be, I suppose. I'll remove it and see... thanks.

I've heard that the bbc widget drains the battery.

This is something Google should address with android market. The system should apply various forms of stress testing to all applications and rate them according to connectivity requirements, CPU load, power consumption etc.

I think for people who have a serious drain they need to hard reset and start again, put 1 program on at a time and leave it a day or so with that program on, finding out whats causing the drain.
Logically thinking, i'd expect it to be a program that is using internet in the background, like the bbc widget which could still be downloading without you knowing.

good points, ta.

I already noticed this. I checked the CPU load in idle mode and normally it should be around 10% (using "System Monitor").
Sometimes however, depending on what apps were running, it is increased to 30-40% and staying there constantly.
Closing all apps (incl. Sense) does not help either, the CPU load won't go down again until i make a complete device reset.
So i guess some processes are stuck in thise case causing the high load (and draining the battery empty).

My GPS did not disconnect, after foto geo-tagging, and that goes quick as well.
Also the BBC-app was installed, but got rid of it because I didn't use it. Might be a coincidence.

The BBC app polls really often. There's no setting to tell it how often to poll. It really kills the battery fast

I wonder though: even when the phone is in standby? something is killing me in standby. Oddly, it seems better if the phone is on
I'll try removing the BBC app overnight, and see...
then the battery widget tomorrow, etc...

cdmackay said:
I wonder though: even when the phone is in standby? something is killing me in standby. Oddly, it seems better if the phone is on
I'll try removing the BBC app overnight, and see...
then the battery widget tomorrow, etc...
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Turn on usb debugging... download the SDK.. cd into tools.. and run
adb logcat
or to send it to a file:
adb logcat > log.txt
(and ctrl + C to stop logging)
Inspect the log file and you'll see what its upto pretty quickly. Maybe its overkill, but I fire that up when it starts behaving strangly.
EDIT: err to answer your question.. yeah the widgets wake the phone up to grab new data, which eats battery. The BBC news one seems to be polling reallllly often, which is unecesarily using power.

quick update: removed BBC News and Battery Widget (separately), no change; phone still dies overnight, in fact in about 5 hours on standby, from a full battery, to totally dead.
I just this minute discovered that my phone whilst in standby is still polling my IMAP server to try and connect, and I have a huge inbox, which it was prob failing to get the headers for. Seems like a possible bug that it still does this whilst in standby, but I've disabled that account anyway. It might be the cause...

What do you mean by Standby? Just inactive? Airplane Mode?

sorry, poor terminology, perhaps. No, not airplane mode, just the screen-off state it goes into after a few minutes.
It does seem a little bit of a waste, if the phone is going to spend all night checking for new Twitter, Gmail, etc, updates, when I'm not awake to read them? So I'd naively assumed that perhaps it wouldn't do that when it's in the screen-off state. Unless you've asked for notification other than on the top bar, of course?

cdmackay said:
It does seem a little bit of a waste, if the phone is going to spend all night checking for new Twitter, Gmail, etc, updates, when I'm not awake to read them?
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To be fair, the phone doesn't know when you're going to asleep now does it? (especially if you're a night worker).
I notice that there's an application in the market now which can automatically turn airplane mode on according to a schedule, so that may help but of course this does mean you won't get phone calls!
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
To be fair, the phone doesn't know when you're going to asleep now does it? (especially if you're a night worker).
I notice that there's an application in the market now which can automatically turn airplane mode on according to a schedule, so that may help but of course this does mean you won't get phone calls!
Regards,
Dave
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No it doesn't but I'm developing a widget which will disable data access at certain times (dependent on user) so overnight it wont use data and save battery.

foxmeister said:
To be fair, the phone doesn't know when you're going to asleep now does it? (especially if you're a night worker).
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Right; I really meant the following, but worded it wrongly...
I had expected apps not to do data access when the phone's screen is off, unless they have been configured to notify via sound, vibrate or light.
i.e. if an app either isn't notifying, or is only notifying via the top bar, then it should disable its data access when the screen is off.
That would mean a short delay in getting updates, when the screen is back on, but I'd rather have that than spending much battery time pointless checking for updates when I'm not going to see them for ages, whether that's at night or just when the phone is sitting on the desk for hours.

nicelad_uk said:
No it doesn't but I'm developing a widget which will disable data access at certain times (dependent on user) so overnight it wont use data and save battery.
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aha! that sounds great, thanks in advance
would you update us here when you have something testable, please?
and if it's not pushing my luck to ask: any chance that it might also have a manual switch too, for those of us who go to bed at wildly different times?
Or perhaps there is already a way to disable data access manually, with a single setting change, without disabling the phone? I think there might be...

ah yes indeed, there's even an HTC widget to disable mobile networking, whilst leaving phone enabled. That will do for now

Screen dims, but never shuts off

I just noticed this morning that when I hit the power button the screen only dims now. I swear it used to shut off the display completely before today, and I know for certain that is how it worked on 1.6. This really is annoying, because now when I put it in my pocket the 3 buttons are constantly being depresses and they vibrate, which lights the display again. That coupled with this stupid lock screen that I have to try to open 3-4 times is really making me angry. Maybe it's just me thugh.....

I'm assuming you upgraded to 2.1?
I remember reading somewhere that someone had a similar issue after upgrading to 2.1 but then they re flashed 2.1 a different way and problem went away.

Same issue here, it really eats up my battery life, and I do end up pushing those soft keys all-too often... I am on 2.1 and that is definitely when the problem started, I'm going to try reflashing to see if I can eliminate the issue.

try the steps found here on streaksmart.com. She reports that she has no issues when its done that way. I don't have my streak yet but will follow these steps when i get it.

I had a similar problem before, only the screen would go off and on again and stay on!
Turns out it was an APP that done this.
It is possible an app is causing the problem.

Don't leave wifi on when not using and the problem disappears.

vatk said:
Don't leave wifi on when not using and the problem disappears.
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I've been experimenting with what's been causing this on mine, and I noticed that sometimes wifi will not shut all the way off. It hangs at "Turning off..."
So I tried not letting it sleep with wifi on, I turn it on if I need it, then turn it off (really a big pain in the butt) but went two days with no "no sleep" problems.
Today I tried leaving wifi on all the time, not two hours later it happened.
Since it's not happening to everybody, I wonder if it has something to do with our wifi setups. Maybe the router brand, or the encryption type, or something?

Last night I powered off the phone before better. I have wifi on all the time and I never shut it off. Today though, I have had no issues with the sleep function. It's still mid afternoon so we'll see if it continues this way. If so I will explore the wifi solution as well.

I was having this problem and somehow this setting was wrong:
SETTINGS>>APPLICATIONS>>DEVELOPMENT>>STAY AWAKE
mine was checked and we all know what that mean. Check yours to be sure if your not up for flashing again. Just a thought in case you overlooked this...

bhyde said:
I was having this problem and somehow this setting was wrong:
SETTINGS>>APPLICATIONS>>DEVELOPMENT>>STAY AWAKE
mine was checked and we all know what that mean. Check yours to be sure if your not up for flashing again. Just a thought in case you overlooked this...
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Yes, it means the screen will not time out and go off when it's being charged, but you can still turn it off, and mine wasn't plugged in when I couldn't turn it off.
I don't think this is related to what I've been seeing, but thanks.

It seems that Bluetooth did it today. I was fine all day going black on sleep with power button, but once I switched on wireless to connect to my car stereo it never went off again. Even if I turn off the wireless I have to shut down and reboot.

jnovello said:
It seems that Bluetooth did it today. I was fine all day going black on sleep with power button, but once I switched on wireless to connect to my car stereo it never went off again. Even if I turn off the wireless I have to shut down and reboot.
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Same here. Started car and it showed zero signal strength for the phone on the dashboard display. Pressed the power button on the Dell Streak and the car display then displayed the signal strength. From then on, the screen would dim but not shut off.
Pete

petesbodyparts said:
Same here. Started car and it showed zero signal strength for the phone on the dashboard display. Pressed the power button on the Dell Streak and the car display then displayed the signal strength. From then on, the screen would dim but not shut off.
Pete
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Was your wifi also enabled (even if not connected to any AP's) when this happened?

a042349 said:
Was your wifi also enabled (even if not connected to any AP's) when this happened?
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Yes, and I couldn't turn it off once the "screen dim bug" took hold. Today I've rebooted and left Bluetooth OFF and Wireless ON and have not had an issue all day long, and that's making calls, using 3G, wireless and running a pile of apps. I think I can live with no Bluetooth until the next release.
Pete

I don't think it's BT. I think it's wifi not recovering properly from sleep mode.

a042349 said:
I don't think it's BT. I think it's wifi not recovering properly from sleep mode.
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Fair call. However, I've now had BT off for 6 hours and I'm using 3G, wireless and USB transfers and it hasn't hiccuped yet. This is the longest I've had with no screen dim bug.
I did notice that when I walked out to the car, the Streak could still "see" my home wireless network, then starting the car and the BT pairing and connecting is when the screen dim bug came back.
Maybe it's when both are run at the same time and both are connected/paired?

petesbodyparts said:
Fair call. However, I've now had BT off for 6 hours and I'm using 3G, wireless and USB transfers and it hasn't hiccuped yet. This is the longest I've had with no screen dim bug.
I did notice that when I walked out to the car, the Streak could still "see" my home wireless network, then starting the car and the BT pairing and connecting is when the screen dim bug came back.
Maybe it's when both are run at the same time and both are connected/paired?
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I agree its looks like its a wifi issue. I always keep my bluetooth off and it still did it.
I got mine fixed... but the problem is i did a bunch of steps and now cant figure out which one actually fixed it. its been running great for 12hrs now.

What I did, since I noticed that wifi sometimes didn't sleep or wake itself up properly all the time (which i think is what's affecting our Streak sleeping), was turn off the wifi sleep. In other words when my device shuts off wifi stays active.
However, I then used "Tasker" from the Market and setup two profiles. When the screen goes off it shuts off 3G, wifi and autosync. Then when the screen comes on it turns on 3g/wifi, waits 20 secs and enables autosync (which then initiates a mail/calendar/contacts sync).
This has worked perfectly, and I get mad good battery life to boot. Now this means I don't get mail/updates (facebook, weather, etc - still get calls and txts obviously) but for me it's not a big deal especially for the battery life.
I may eventually setup more Tasker events to duplicate "Juice Defender" and poll every half hour (3G only, when screen is off only) to get my updates, but for now it's been working great.
I also setup profiles so if I'm not where I have wifi pairings it shuts down wifi. Also if it detects I'm connected via wifi (at home for instance) it disables my lock screen. I also have it set to only start GPS for apps that need it (Maps, Navigation, Places, etc) and that helps save battery too.
Tasker is an awesome app for $3.99. It has a steep learning curve, but there are enough walk-throughs available to teach you how to do the basics.

rebel146 said:
I agree its looks like its a wifi issue. I always keep my bluetooth off and it still did it.
I got mine fixed... but the problem is i did a bunch of steps and now cant figure out which one actually fixed it. its been running great for 12hrs now.
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Found the fix on Modaco. Have a look at the last page of the thread called "2.1 Bugs ....., Add what you find please....."
I never knew there was an "Advanced" menu for WiFi!

yeah that is not it. I also have mine set to never time out so does that mean it will never shut off either? Anyway, it keeps happening through the day. Wifi and bluetooth do seem to have something to do with it, but I need them both on all the time so the only thing I can do is reboot. Then it is good for a couple hours. Are the any apps that have a reboot? That's one thing I miss on the iPhone.

We need a stickied battery improvement thread

I am happy to make one.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App

My battery tips
1. Latitude : If you are logged in, it will update your location every few minutes. This will make a phone that should be on a very low power state, re-enable lots of things that suck power. (5hrs)
2. Home screen weather clocks : Just change the update interval to something more like every 3 hours and it won't kill your battery as quick. Make sure you don't have it use GPS for location. If you don't mind, set the location to be static. (1hr)
3. Chat programs that don't rely on push. If the program needs to keep your data connection alive, it will kill your battery.(1-5hrs)
4. Anything that will update automatically. The craigslist app for example will poll the site for changes, waking the connection and the processor each time.(1-5hrs)
5. Bluetooth. : I know it isn't an app, but if you aren't using it, don't have it on. It takes enough power to eat a few hours of battery life. Pretty major. (3hrs)
6. Leave 4G on. : This might not work for everyone, but when 4G is asleep, it doesn't seem to suck juice the same way 3G does. My EVO dies quick on 4G, my Epic battery lasts longer on 4G. (as long as you are in a 4G area). (3hrs)
Disable these things and you should get battery life that you hear others bragging about.

"Latitude" on my phone and others I've seen, does not update that often and really only constantly updates is when you have maps open. My wife and I both run latitude and have not noticed anymore of a battery drain than not running it.

sdrawkcab25 said:
"Latitude" on my phone and others I've seen, does not update that often and really only constantly updates is when you have maps open. My wife and I both run latitude and have not noticed anymore of a battery drain than not running it.
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Mine updates every few minutes on WM and Android. Turn on your history and you will see it updates hundreds of times a day. After my froyo update, I couldn't make it through the day. You might have location set to wifi or wireless, I probably should do that too, but I'd rather keep it active.

I subscribed to it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884684

i thought the whole idea of push was that it doesn't use data cause its a server side push instead of the phone polling at a set schedule

roghaj said:
Mine updates every few minutes on WM and Android. Turn on your history and you will see it updates hundreds of times a day. After my froyo update, I couldn't make it through the day. You might have location set to wifi or wireless, I probably should do that too, but I'd rather keep it active.
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Weird, I have history on and the setting to update automatically, and still only updates only once every few hours on it's own. Maybe mine is "broken", but glad it is then. I'm on an htc Incredible.

If you are getting excessive drain while on wifi, check for unusual traffic on your network as the problem is probably not your phone and something else polling your device keeping it awake.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087278
For me, the problem was HP's wireless printer software on one of my laptops.

I'm wondering if one of these 2 is a big sleep preventer:
1. "Background Data" (I used to think all you had to do was disable "Auto Sync" but when I uncheck "Background Data" I get a popup saying something about how I will save battery power if I agree to disable)
2. "Use Wireless Networks" (even if GPS is off).
I usually have been getting good results after unchecking a combo or both of these and sometimes I even have to reboot to get back to normal Epic sleep.