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So my father picked up the iPhone 4 yesterday, and we played with it for hours. We both had a 3g and 3gs in the past.
All I can say is, man am I glad I switched to the EVO! For starters, the screen on the iPhone 4 is too small to appreciate the glamorous "Retina" display.
I opened up the "iBook" application and looked at the sample book in there. How the heck can you read on that screen? The colors look sharp, but hardly any text fits on the page.
I think Apple shouldn't have wasted so much space on the bezel and bumped the screen up to 4 inches.
The next big caveat was not being able to visit flash sites on the iPhone 4. That really pissed off my dad, because I was flaunting the EVO loading the same pages in glorious flash. In the past, I didn't realize how important flash was. I looked pass the limitation because it was a holy Apple device. Not so much anymore... And I love how Android gives you the option to load flash on demand.
I actually much preferred the curvier shape of the previous iPhones. The iPhone 4's box shape irritated my hands after 15 minutes of use.
The final thing that got my dad riled up was the fact that video chat is only allowed between iphone 4's and limited strictly to wifi. I showed him fring and quik with all of their video chat glory over 3g, and that made him oh so jealous.
This might seem like a small thing, but the kickstand on the EVO is an important feature to me... I'm really glad HTC included it.
At the end of the night, my dad said he was going to write a letter to Apple asking them to put a bigger screen on the next iPhone, lol.
Overall, the new iPhone 4 is quite snappy and responsive, but that's all it is. It is true that the App Store has apps that still aren't available on the Android market (still waiting for Bloomberg), but they're coming... The retina display looks crisp, but that damn screen is too tiny to appreciate it. All the other features, such as the 5 megapixel camera and the front facing camera, are NOT revolutionary. They have been around for quite some time.
Apple makes incremental improvements but claims they're "Magical" and "Revolutionary". I bought that **** for a while, but it really is played out now.
I love my EVO, and I love Android. I'm free to do whatever I want with my phone...
Edit: How could I have forgotten... 4G Wimax baby!!! Suck on that fanboys
I'm really glad to hear that. I bet you can hold your evo how ever you want and not drop a call too lol.
JAREDR said:
I'm really glad to hear that. I bet you can hold your evo how ever you want and not drop a call too lol.
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I know, right!
There's 2 other things that I feel the iPhone has over the EVO and that's the gyroscope and the iPhone's ability to record HD videos in H.264 and AAC audio compared to the EVO's limitation of MPEG4 video and 8kHz Narrowband AMR audio. But all of the reasons you mention are the same reasons I knew the EVO was my next phone. Still enjoying it and know I made the right decision.
Thanks for the review!!
I love my EVO and the Android OS.
Literally apples and oranges mate. Last i heard from Engadget, their iPhone 4 (review) lasted 30-something hours and they used the heck out of it. So not being able to view flash content does not matter to some folks. I've had an iPod Touch for the longest and never concerned about flash really when mobile browsing.
4G is nice in theory but how long does your battery last. The Evo barely lasts a whole day right now as it is.
Face time video chat is only wifi for now until end of year (At&T's crappy network might be to blame there as well) they said plus anyone can hook into the API and use it with their app. Skype already mentioned interest, so who knows if it might move from iPhone 4 - iPhone 4 as it is now to cross platform.
You make valid points but I've played with the Evo and not fully satisfied with the performance and definitely not with the battery life. I literally had to turn off everything useful just to eek out a work day's worth of juice.
I turn my 4g off unless I visit a heavy content site on the go. That's where it shines... when you need it for quick bursts of speed.
As far as battery life, here is something I absolutely do not comprehend...
Why in the world do you need your battery to last longer than 24 hours? Plug it in at night you lazy bastards, lol (to diffuse any tension)... My EVO is on 15% before I go to sleep, and that is with heavy use throughout the whole day. I suck a lot of data through my web browsing. I am definitely satisfied as it gets me through the day. Might there be a day when I go overboard and I have to plug in before night time? Yes. So what, it's not often.
I think the whole battery life lasting for days-on-end-thing is brainwash and a stroke of the ego.
Now if your EVO is not lasting all day, that is another story. You should check out some of the custom ROMS in the DEV section. They rock! I am using Avalaunch's EVOlution 8 Rev A, and it works wonders. I love froyo.
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Literally apples and oranges mate. Last i heard from Engadget, their iPhone 4 (review) lasted 30-something hours and they used the heck out of it. So not being able to view flash content does not matter to some folks. I've had an iPod Touch for the longest and never concerned about flash really when mobile browsing.
4G is nice in theory but how long does your battery last. The Evo barely lasts a whole day right now as it is.
Face time video chat is only wifi for now until end of year (At&T's crappy network might be to blame there as well) they said plus anyone can hook into the API and use it with their app. Skype already mentioned interest, so who knows if it might move from iPhone 4 - iPhone 4 as it is now to cross platform.
You make valid points but I've played with the Evo and not fully satisfied with the performance and definitely not with the battery life. I literally had to turn off everything useful just to eek out a work day's worth of juice.
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I was a iphone owner for the better part of 3 years, my father recently purchased the iphone as well. He's coming from the blackberry bold. I asked myself what is on the iphone 4 that I'm missing on my 3g iphone? I really don't see it. The devices out there elsewhere are fantastic, and without such restriction.
For my father though, I'm sure he appreciates it more.
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I stand by the OP. I has both a 3g and a 3gs and the iPhone4 was a contender until I used the Evo for a bit and realized how awesome having a nice 4.3" screen is. Apple just didn't want to go back to the drawling board and make their screen larger. While the Evo does have it's limitations I do love it. And with any luck most of the bugs will be worked out by ROM developers, where as everyone must wait for anything to be fixed by Apple, not to mention I would never get an iPhone if I could not jailbreak it... and that looks bleak with the new OTA updates ATT and Apple are going to be doing. Also another huge problem with the phone is ATT, they blow.
I also hear you can't multi-task like you can on the EVO. My friend said it has more color to the display than the EVO does. He said that's all it has on the EVO. Not to mention that ATT is ditching all their everything plans and capping the maximum you can download every month. No thank you Apple... I'll gladly stick with my EVO.
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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I turn my 4g off unless I visit a heavy content site on the go. That's where it shines... when you need it for quick bursts of speed.
As far as battery life, here is something I absolutely do not comprehend...
Why in the world do you need your battery to last longer than 24 hours? Plug it in at night you lazy bastards, lol (to diffuse any tension)... My EVO is on 15% before I go to sleep, and that is with heavy use throughout the whole day. I suck a lot of data through my web browsing. I am definitely satisfied as it gets me through the day. Might there be a day when I go overboard and I have to plug in before night time? Yes. So what, it's not often.
I think the whole battery life lasting for days-on-end-thing is brainwash and a stroke of the ego.
Now if your EVO is not lasting all day, that is another story. You should check out some of the custom ROMS in the DEV section. They rock! I am using Avalaunch's EVOlution 8 Rev A, and it works wonders. I love froyo.
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Why would you not need or want your battery to last 24 hrs or more? Where is the downside to that? Your rationalization is sad and pathetic really. So we are lazy bastards because we don't live next to an AC outlet or carry one around on the go. So you're knocking the iPhone because of it's better battery life vs the Evo and that's supposed to be a plus for the Evo..odd.
Like i said, apples and oranges. Different pluses and minuses to both. I'll trade front camera for better battery life on Evo anyday. Let's see what the Galaxy (Pro) brings to the table...
Apple stuck with 3.5" because the iPhone is a mainstream targeted device. Over 50% of the population (female) have smaller hands & Android is still male dominated.
IMO Evo needs official 2.2 asap (further Android refinements-UI, security, battery, etc) & I still need to do my own comparisons but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUwutoAeGlI (iPhone 4 vs HTC EVO - Video Sample-iPhone 4 video+audio capture seem better unfortunately)
Vs. Reviews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzZ5kQWFyY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULv-0xcciFE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZ5_V0C5HM
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Why would you not need or want your battery to last 24 hrs or more? Where is the downside to that? Your rationalization is sad and pathetic really. So we are lazy bastards because we don't live next to an AC outlet or carry one around on the go. So you're knocking the iPhone because of it's better battery life vs the Evo and that's supposed to be a plus for the Evo..odd.
Like i said, apples and oranges. Different pluses and minuses to both. I'll trade front camera for better battery life on Evo anyday. Let's see what the Galaxy (Pro) brings to the table...
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A few of my friends are reporting that their battery isn't lasting as long as Engadgets did. It might be that it needs a few cycle but it has used up 6% in around 2 hours just using it as an iPod.
The Evo's battery isn't that bad, people are able to use up to 15-25 hours on a full charge. You just have to be somewhat knowledgable to achieve that. For me I don't need more than 10 hours since I have a desk job where I can plug in my phone, a car charger, etc.
If I plan on going away I can throw down 10$ and get an extra battery. iPhone 4 you don't have that option.
Apple is superb at setting the standard pretty low but still be at the top of the game. It's quite sad.
roybotnik said:
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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The trolling force is strong with this one, indeed.
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Apple is superb at setting the standard pretty low but still be at the top of the game. It's quite sad.
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Well they excel at UI simplification (unfortunately at the expense of options for power users)..hardware immediately after refresh can be compelling as well if you can tolerate the walled garden+network..
roybotnik said:
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.
I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.
You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
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Yep nice comment history. Sounds like Apple has you handing them money hook, line, and sinker. I came from a 3GS(only one I ever had) and never want to get an iPhone again.
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Well they excel at UI simplification (unfortunately at the expense of options for power users)..hardware immediately after refresh can be compelling as well if you can tolerate the walled garden+network..
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I believe their UI is ugly, icons on icons. No customization whatsoever. I bedazzle my friends when I switch from Sense to ADW launcher etc.
But that's really all iPhones are now, new hardware. I used my friends iPhone 4 and asked him if it does anything new from his 3GS. It doesn't.
I also laughed when I was using it and he got a notification. Notification pop-ups are so ****ty. Pretty much put the phone in a frozen state until you acknowledge it. I love having a pull down menu for my notifications.
I messed with one yesterday too, and really liked it. The screen is much crisper than my Evo. Also, pictures in the browser looked WORLDS better (I tried the stock browser and Dolphin HD) on the iPhone. Text was also much clearer when you zoomed in (it gets fuzzy when zooming in on the Evo).
My Evo still has it's advantages, and the iPhone wasn't good enough for me to switch back, but it was certainly good enough for me to consider just upgrading my wife's iPhone to a new one.
Vandam500 said:
The trolling force is strong with this one, indeed.
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I agree 100% with this comment, I felt a disturbance, the trolling force is strong within him.
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Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.
felacio said:
Yeah, I know, it's been compared 400 times. But, I thought I would make it 401.. because I don't like even numbers.
Anyway, I finally got my hands on an iPhone 4 while at the AT&T store and I walked away with a different opinion than I had without any physical contact.
First off, I think it feels really good in the hand. I had the iPhone 1G, 3G, 3GS (1st gen feeling the best to me.) I like the flat, sharp corners and double glass feel. It's quite different than any other phone I've used. Design wise, it is sexy and very eye catching. the gaps between the bezel (antennas) isn't so sexy though, obviously, this was a half assed attempted at keeping the antennas from creating a bridge and losing service....we all know how well THAT worked.
The Retina Display is breathtaking. while standing at the store, I couldn't see pixels, but, I do have great eye sight, and I'm sure if I was able to sit down and REALLY focus, I would be able to start seeing something. at that time, I could not.
At the same time that I was impressed with the screen, I wasn't impressed that much. I mean, sure, it's SUPER high res and looks fantastic, but when I pulled the EVO out of my pocket and compared side by side. during any typical use where I wasn't examining the phones...LOOKING for "flaws", I wouldn't notice at all.. But what I would and could, and DID notice, was the EVO's huge, pretty (but not "breathtaking") screen. So while, yes, it's "prettier". if you already have a high res screen... it's really not such a revolution. just a nice bump. and personally, I think the larger screen size of the EVO is FAR more useful than a higher resolution.
iOS4 feels nicer than 3.0 did. But after having my EVO since Launch day, the iOS platform just seems so boring in comparison. you get a lot of icons...and.. that's really it, the only way to customize it, or make it look different from the pack is to drop a different wallpaper on it (which, finally, can be done without jailbreaking.) and re-arrange you're icons. whoopee. unless you jailbreak, of course, than you have far more options.
EVO, or more specifically, Android has WAY more options in this field to not only make the phone look unique to you, but also create far different and instant different and personal usable spaces with widgets. I really prefer the android platform for this.
As I couldn't sit there and run down the battery on the iOS4.. I can't compare that. haha, but I have read that the iPhone4's battery is pretty much epic... with enough tweaking, custom ROM and kernel, I can manage decent battery out of the EVO now. about 10hrs heavy use, upwards of 20 with very light usage. Here is hoping that future versions of Android can help with power management, I'm not holding my breath though, as I know Android does far more in the background than iOS. if you have everything syncing all the time, facebook, twitter, flickr, gmail, weather, news, etc. etc. it'll suck down the battery like a diabetic craves Nutella.
With my brief time with the iPhone 4, I walked away loving the design, STILL bored with the OS, shrugging at the Retina Display, still holding contempt for AT&T, and finally, still glad I switched to the EVO.
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Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.
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Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.
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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
mendez_v said:
What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
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do you have to be running the baked Rom in order to use its kernel?
There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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Something I envy from IPhone... It's VPN works. Without it, Android cannot be rated for business.
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Good review and I agree with all your points. Exactly what I think and tell my friends who ask of my opinion.
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What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
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+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...
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If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.
A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.
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A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.
The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.
Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.
So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
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I gotta disagree with you there. Using any custom kernel on the forums here and LauncherPro, scrolling through screens and the browser feels smoother than the iPhone.
Pinching and zooming is still rough though. And I do agree about the icons. IPhone, aesthetically is supierior, in terms of symetrics. Lol
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If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.
I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.
Oh I also use craigslist notification.
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... I find that hard to believe. I'm using BS 1. 7 with kernel 6 and with moderate to heavy use I got about 10 hours. Do you have like.. NO widgets? Have it turned off most the day? LOL. Sorry, but 50hrs? Really? You have got to be using a 3500mah battery.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
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Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.
Award Tour said:
Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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I agree, sense may not be great, but ill take sense over iOS most days. Gimme vanilla with LauncherPro and ill never look twice at iOS. Apple has such a strangle hold on the market that its counter productive. They ate stifling innovation by having an iron grip on developers, and their ability to release pretty much anything and have the mainstream fall over itself to get one.. no matter how flawed.. is nausiating.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
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Camera is the biggest things for me. I compared it to a friends IP4, and he scored a win.. Evo keeped showing blurry faces when people moved around. so disappointing esp when it comes to important moments in your life. IPhone 4 is a good phone, after I got hands on I was impressed, GUI of Iphone still looks and feels like the first gen Iphone.. boring.. I might switch to the EPic
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Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.
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What are you talking about? It's obvious that you to don't know what is being discussed. We're talking about cloud based notifications. Let me give you a simple example. On Facebook you can set it to poll data, say, every 15 minutes. So every 15 minutes the Facebook app will use bandwidth/power to check for updates that might not even be there. What iOS has done, and what Android will soon do too, is that it has a server where services like Facebook can ping to notify it that there are new updates, that server then pings the user back and downloads the new data. So you basically get instant notifications only when there is new data to download. This not only saves battery but also gives you near real time notifications.
It's a shame what this discussion has turned into. I look at things objectively, and I can't believe how emotional everybody has gotten over this. I broke my first EVO and bought my second one for full retail. You really thinking I'm some kind of biased fanboy?
I was working on a ton of things for the EVO, including a theme that vastly improves the appearance of HTC Sense but now I'm thinking about keeping it private. If this is how the XDA community really is, I'm probably best off doing that.
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Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
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A quick last response, and my last in this thread.
Multi-tasking works just about the same in iOS as it does in Froyo. Look up the architecture/APIs and see for yourself. What was semi-introduced to Froyo is cloud based notifications. You argument about fring can be said about Android too. HSPA certainly reaches those speeds, and to be honest, I didn't realize it until I started testing the speed of my EVO/4G. Take care my friend. Hopefully one day you can become a fan of good tech instead of imaginary lines.
As a former AT&T customer......
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Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
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Agree.....agree....agree. 4mbps.....I wanted to wait to see who called BS on that one. Maybe on WiFi. Never over the network did I see speeds even CLOSE to that (and I understand the IP4 has such significant upgrades to it that the bottleneck loosens a bit, but THAT much as compared to 3g...i don't know).
After 2 years of using the 3g I can say I got tired of it after 1. Way too dumbed down. Android DOES what Iphone 2-3-4 can't do....out of the box.
Root your Android....there is just simply no comparison. Retina display? Over......size and close resolution? I don't understand higher resolutions on a tiny screen anyhow.
It is a pretty phone....the IP4. Ill give ya that, and overall pretty good, but there is a reason android is gaining in market share and IP4 is loosing its 54%. There are several reasons (all hugely valid) in fact, but Ill let someone else list those....i'm rambling. All of this rambling is just from a prior AT&T user who got tired of the charging for an addiction to something that is, overall, and inferior drug. So, now, I get my better drug from a different dealer......unlimited...and at a cheaper price.
I have both in hand and am willing to answer questions comparing the two if anyone has any.
What's ur opinion on the new sense ui vs touchwiz?
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What's ur opinion on the new sense ui vs touchwiz?
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If I had a video camera besides the phone I would do a walkthrough demo'ing it, but omg it is beautiful. The default home launcher that comes with it is as horrible as it gets so I used Launcherpro to remedy that. Other than that though, how the phone dialer is laid out, the contacts screen layout, and even simple things like text messages are unbelievably polished. You will not be dissapointed with the Sense UI on the mt4g.
EDIT: Ehh, what I was gonna show in the video was pretty basic and I thought someone must've done this already so before doing anything I looked up videos and found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNr-ku3-O0g It is exactly the same software I would've shown you except he's running it on the Nexus One and he goes a lot more in depth than I would've
What's the battery life like, with moderate or heavy usage?
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What's the battery life like, with moderate or heavy usage?
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Well when I bought it, it came out of the box with only 30% charge. So I went to a Starbucks before class and it charged pretty well in about 45 mins (don't know the percentage but maybe like 75%). I used that from 5pm til 11pm when I got home. At that point it was giving me low battery warnings, but I'd say that was fair after some pretty heavy usage. I spent the whole day mesing with settings and trying to get a feel for the phone. I downloaded about 20 apps on HSPA+ in NYC and about 4 or 5 full length albums on Thumbplay over wifi in school. I also browsed the web and ran speedtests (got about 4Mbp/s down, 1Mbp/s up). Overall the battery did pretty well and so far is the least of my worries, if I could think of any.. I'd take the mt4g battery > Vibrant battery any day.
How is the overall feel of the device? Weight wise? Does it really look like a device for a 14 y.o. or it is a decent design?
How is the screen? Does it really make a lot of difference b/w SAMOLED on the lowest brightness vs MT4G on auto?
I am sure the OS interactions feel faster on it, but is it really noticeable in the everyday use?
Well, would you trade/sell your vibrant for the mt4g?
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How is the overall feel of the device? Weight wise? Does it really look like a device for a 14 y.o. or it is a decent design?
How is the screen? Does it really make a lot of difference b/w SAMOLED on the lowest brightness vs MT4G on auto?
I am sure the OS interactions feel faster on it, but is it really noticeable in the everyday use?
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The actual device is a lot sexier than than dummy displays of it and better looking than photos do it justice. It is a bit heaver than the Vibrant (but what isn't lol), I think it's the perfect weight. It doesn't look like only a teenage device; I think it could appeal to anyone of any age.
Now the screen - a lot of people say the Vibrant's screen is better, which it is and I love it, but I think it was overdone. Why? Because the entire 2 months I used the phone, I used it at the lowest brightness which was still too bright. The mt4G's screen can get REALLY dim, which is nice at night because it doesn't hurt your eyes. I'd say the Vibrant's screen at the LOWEST brightness setting is about the mt4G's display at around 30% brightness. Not a bad thing. The colors are beautiful - they're as good as you need them to be and not overly saturated.
The difference between interactions so far is notable. Everything is so smooth that I don't worry anymore about hitting the buttons too fast and the phone not keeping up.
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Well, would you trade/sell your vibrant for the mt4g?
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Lol. I made that decision last night after using the device about 4 hours. I sold my Vibrant and it's in the xda marketplace right now. Definitely keeping the mt4G.
I was thinking about waiting til Nov. 8th or 11th to see what Samsung has in store for us, but I'm very disappointed that their priority seems to be putting out new devices over supporting their current ones so I went with HTC and the mt4G here.
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...I also browsed the web and ran speedtests (got about 4Mbp/s down, 1Mbp/s up)...
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That's what I get on my Vibrant (well from 3-5Mbs on avg [max was 6Mbps]). Is the NYC HSPA+ coverage not that good?
~SB
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That's what I get on my Vibrant (well from 3-5Mbs on avg [max was 6Mbps]). Is the NYC HSPA+ coverage not that good?
~SB
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I was thinking that but I also considered that I was in a very heavy populated area in midtown with many people probably hammering those cell towers at the same time. < Whoa, no homo.
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I was thinking that but I also considered that I was in a very heavy populated area in midtown with many people probably hammering those cell towers at the same time. < Whoa, no homo.
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So essentially "HSPA+ upgraded" phone but same speed? Doesn't sound like a winner for me. Can't wait to see some upgraded HSPA+ networks able to push out that type of throughput to phones which support it. Kinda makes a 4G phone moot at this point if you can't take advantage of it.
Good to hear about the responsive UI, although we can achieve that with any ROM from Sombionix or Eugene. But it's a plus to have that experience out of the box for what...95% of the people who don't know what a ROM is. Anything that can get more people on the T-Mobile bandwagon = more money to T-Mobile = more money for infrastructure = happy people.
~SB
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That's what I get on my Vibrant (well from 3-5Mbs on avg [max was 6Mbps]). Is the NYC HSPA+ coverage not that good?
~SB
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I wonder about the usefulness of speedtest. Yesterday my brother and I were at dinner and we tested our phones, his Nexus One versus my Vibrant. I was pulling down 3+ mbps and he was getting half that, even though in theory we should be pulling the same speed.
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I wonder about the usefulness of speedtest. Yesterday my brother and I were at dinner and we tested our phones, his Nexus One versus my Vibrant. I was pulling down 3+ mbps and he was getting half that, even though in theory we should be pulling the same speed.
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In theory is correct but the antenna assembly and the radios are different, therefore it's not exactly comparable and speedtest most likely has it correct. One thing that I have noticed is that my IP will be assigned to LA, San Fransisco, and even once Pittsburgh randomly. Don't know why this happens, but a reboot puts it back in the correct IP range for my area. That might have affected the test that night.
I've got this site bookmarked on my phone if I need it: http://whatismyipaddress.com/
If I ever do a speed test and find a low throughput the above reason is usually why.
~SB
Ordered mine yesterday, I am disappointed at the level of support the galaxy series has received from Sammy, I believe after this froyo update Sammy will wash their hands of this devise and move on,
I am told that the mt4g has an upgrade waiting right out the box, Now that’s what I call Support. Also rumor is mt4g will be the first to get Gingerbread upgrade.
Did it come with the new tether app? The TMO one?
If not, that might be the OTA that is being rolled out.
I was actually thinking of getting an HTC device, seeing how they got it pretty much under the belt the Android, but the new tactics with the provider that locks the phone down from root, and RW NAND keeps me at bay.
Wish I was a bit bolder when Nexus One came out, and got it, I just didn't like the marketing pitch that it was an iPhone killer, but it did nothing to decrease the popularity of the Apple product , it did increase the popularity of the Android though hopefully Vibrant is going to staying with me for at least 2 years.
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Did it come with the new tether app? The TMO one?
If not, that might be the OTA that is being rolled out.
I was actually thinking of getting an HTC device, seeing how they got it pretty much under the belt the Android, but the new tactics with the provider that locks the phone down from root, and RW NAND keeps me at bay.
Wish I was a bit bolder when Nexus One came out, and got it, I just didn't like the marketing pitch that it was an iPhone killer, but it did nothing to decrease the popularity of the Apple product , it did increase the popularity of the Android though hopefully Vibrant is going to staying with me for at least 2 years.
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As far as I can see, the app fixed a glitch with the address bar in the browser and that's it. Maybe there's some other bugs it fixed that I hadn't even noticed yet, but that's a good thing. The wifi hotspot and wifi calling apps were on it out of the box already.
how was the rock band?
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how was the rock band?
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I'm not a fan really, but I tried it and it's not bad at all... Pretty addicting and the graphics are nice. The Monopoly game that comes with the phone btw is sick! The graphics are as good as I've seen in a game and the gameplay is smooth. I was impressed because at first I just looked at it as bloatware to ignore, but it's "keepable." The game is by EA btw.
I had the opportunity to play with 4g, the phone is very nice. Personally I can't see myself with a phone that I can't root or flash, I mean that's why we come to forums like this. If we get root for the 4g I will be the first to get it. But as of right now I love what we can do, and what's coming with the vibrant.
I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
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Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.
As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.
MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.
quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.
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Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..
The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...
Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol
uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..
I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.
So you want us to do the research for you?
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Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.
I have my phone rooted but nothing major done to it..even rooting it was easy under the right posts and take from here and there and waa laa it worked great, however; i love this phone..a lot..my first android was a G1 and second a Hero(CDMA) and now this..I have been trying to find something more like the G1..The hero felt like a downgrade and now this phone excites me about the new frontier of android. I OC'd my hero with no avail and to be out performed by phones like the droid and ah whatever..it seems to me this phone is the benchmark of performance and as for your questions:
1. I feel as though I get about 12 hours..when I use it to play games and stuff maybe 6-8
2. I enjoy the keyboard..both physical KB and onscreen..I use both cause I came from a hero with no physical kb but i really like both
3. both KB's work great on texting..i prefer the physical for when I have longer messages to write because its faster IMO, even so the virtual has no lag either.
4. Compared to the Sense UI from the Hero this phone is a HUGE improvement..when I first got my phone I was really impressed with the improvements to the UI because it seemed HTC logged on XDA and got all of our gripes then fixed them
5. I finally used the camera this weekend to take pictures for making invitations to my son's birthday party and I was impressed with the facial recognition. Its 5MP so its no Cannon or Sony but it still does a great job with facial recognition and all
6. As I said earlier I use both and the I have no problem with the screen size interfering with the kb..
The phone feels perfect in your hand. Almost like your holding something other than a phone. The sense UI is great, very smooth and fast. The camera also is great. The still picture quality could be improved if you want to be nit picky, however 720p recording is so amazing. The hardware keyboard is very nice and fast as well. I like it better than my blackberry tour. I would recommend this phone to anyone, anyplace, anytime.
I also have evo, and also was considering picking up a shift for my mom (she has a Samsung moment that is barely functional), I went into sprint store and was able to play with one just a little bit. Was not that impressed, sadly (and I'm a big HTC fan).
Mostly, I felt the HW keyboard was almost unusable (I kept mashing multiple buttons at the same time), yet the HW keyboard is what I thought was supposed to be the attraction to otherwise would-be evo buyers.
As for OP 'wanting others to do his research for him', that's not the case at all, he wants to hear from people who have had more than just a few moments with the shift. Give the guy a break.
***maybe I just can't type well- yet I have no issues typing on my evo ****
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I ordered the Shift ready to exchange it for an Evo at the drop of a hat if I didn't like it, but after a while I'm really happy with this phone. It really doesn't get enough credit for how good it is.
The battery life is good enough that I can use it for moderate-heavy use of texting and internet and still have 1/4 of the battery left at the end of the day. I haven't ever used the 4G though, and I imagine that would change things up.
I came a from a Hero, and the Shift is slightly thicker and taller. It feels pretty sturdy, similar to a Droid. If you're looking for iPhone aesthetic you might be disappointed here.
Not a big fan of the keyboard, or keyboards in general really, so I can't really judge this. I find myself using the on-screen KB most of the time, and it works great. If you're curious, the sliding mechanism is the same used in the Droid and not like the G2's snap out hinge. Definitely prefer this, as the keyboard usually stays shut.
As it happens I don't really like Sense either, but it seems to operate the same as it did on the Hero (and probably the Evo.) It's fast and the widgets are cool, so if you like Sense then I guess you'll really dig it. Myself, I'll take Launcher Pro any day.
The camera is really excellent for a phone. Pictures are taken as fast as an iPhone and saved to your SD before you know it. Image quality isn't amazing and the flash function is sorta just there, but this is to be expected.
I'm really happy with this phone. While I would have preferred a Shift without a keyboard, I'm not at all bothered.
I don't have the time to give a lot of info, but I was really surprised last night.
My phone had been unplugged for almost 24 hours, with average (working most of the day) not heavy as normal usage, and i still had 40% battery left.
Coming from the Moment, this phone is so amazing. And even after seeing how my girlfriend's rooted Evo works, it's still pretty amazing.
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Lol yup. Go to the store and play with one. Read the reviews online.
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I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.
Khilbron said:
I am looking at purchasing a Shift 4G for my mom to upgrade her from her POS blackberry. I currently have the Big Brother to the Shift (the Supersonic), and absolutely love it, I won't give it up for anything, but my mom would be more suited to an iPhone, however sprint doesn't have the iPhone, and I get a 23% discount through my job.
Could several people respond about the Shift please:
1. Average battery life (moderate usage)
2. Size and Feel of the phone for day to day use
3. How does the keyboard feel for texting
4. How smooth does this redesigned Sense OS feel
5. How well does the camera operate
6. Does the screen size feel ok if you use the touchscreen instead of the slideout KB.
I would prefer non-rooted people to respond to these since I won't be rooting her phone. I want to hear all responses both good, and bad.
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
Khilbron said:
I have gone to the store and played with it, I have had my mom check it out as well, she said it seemed ok, I thought it felt like crap, the slider was stiff, the screen didnt rotate to adjust for the keyboard being kicked out. I had these issues with it on 3 different display models at 2 different stores (one sprint store, one best buy), Which is why I asked the new shift community to chime in, if it was left up to my impression at the store, i would say the phone is a piece of **** that shouldn't be sold to consumers. However I doubt that is the case, and I wanted feedback from people who already own one.
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the slider is stiff in the store probably due to the protective plastic still being around the keyboard. Otherwise it's very nice (except mine, which is really loose).
The screen rotates just fine when the keyboard is opened. It takes a half-second, but it rotates on all screens, except perhaps the facebook app.
I would actually say this phone is similar build quality to the evo, if not better. It's also the smaller form, which many people like. Not to mention the fact that it has more potential to be OC'd and if the dev's can figure it out, the potential to be a major powerhouse.
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
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*sarcasm* No of course I haven't *sarcasm*, however I don't think you have, the first 7 pages of this 11 page subforum are filled with people complaining about broken hinges, bad sliders, charging problems, ect... which is why I put this thread up, I want to see the positive feedback, I want a reason to buy this phone as a gift for my mother. Generally the praise is left out of the forums, and the help me this is Borked takes over. I Love HTC phones, and as I am sitting I don't have a good reason to select this phone for her or go el cheapo and get her an optimus or an intercept.
First off, I think the EVO is a solid device...one of the few on Sprint.
I really like the EVO Shift better. It has a 2nd generation processor in it so it's slightly faster than the regular EVO w/being on a stock rom. I have not done it but heard it's a beast running the modified over clocked kernel.
Keyboard does get some getting used to, and I find myself using the on-screen keyboard for short text messages and the hardware keyboard on longer emails. HTC is know for durability and extended life (compared to other *cough* Kyocera) so I'm not too worried about the keyboard being extended.
I love to hate Sense UI...there are some features that are amazing and other's that just...well, yack.
The volume key's are always getting in my way, but I just have to "de-program" myself and get used to it. I've only had the Shift for a couple days, so I'll let my body catch up.
Did I mention how fast this device is? That is...even running stock!
I haven't heard it mentioned but I think the battery cover is a nuisance and feels cheap. If I had to do a sliding scale scoring on this device, without any industry experience, I would give it a 8/10 - from a consumer review
Mom, grandma, aunt, female cousin, sister, daughter, niece...when will the madness end? Boys and men, start buying these phones for yourselves!
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have you read anything in these forums at all? wtf
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Exactly what I was thinking. Do some research for yourself.
powered by the tears of a million orphaned alpacas...
I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus.
Yeah going from a moment to a shift is, form factor wise, about the same so there wouldn't be much to adjust to operating differently besides no cursor button.
Knowing what I do now, if I couldn't afford a top tier phone and monthly bill, I'd go with the little LG. People are giving it very good ratings on sprint's site.
With the screen not going landscape, maybe in screen settings it was turned off. Plus people probably install all kinds of crap on the display phones it bogs it down and lags terribly.
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I've said it before and I will say it again. A decent android phone that wont break the bank or make you pay the extra ten bucks a month and for someone that isn't a power user is the LG optimus
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All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
wardfan220 said:
All new smartphone activations will have the $10 fee now, you might as well get a 4G phone.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?
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So regardless if the phone is 4g or not, they are gonna charge an extra ten bucks a month?
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Yup. There is a post here about it somewhere. I'm in my phone so I don't have a link atm.
Sent from my HTC Evo Shift 4G using the XDA app.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/18/sprint-data-plan-fees_n_810279.html
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