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what's the reason that our phones don't have smooth scrolling across the home screens like the iPhone does? even the way the scrolling is in the weather /news app would be perfect
I think you might want to send your phone away to be replaced
uhm... looks pretty smooth to me are you using the stock rom? maybe try a factory reset?
This is a documented thing. It is smoother than the droid, but compared to the iPhone it is choppy, hopefully it is a software thing that can be fixed.
Try helixlauncher
I know what you mean. The iPhone is smooth and Nexus is occationally choppy & sometimes stutters - its simply not as smooth.
The best way I can describe this to persons not familiar with iPhone is screen scrolling on the iphone looks like an animation with about 25~30fps, the nexus one looks like an animation with about 5~15fps. While not the end of the world, it certainly annoys me (and others)!
I have noticed also that the appearance of this less than smooth side scolling is further visible with live backgrounds & lighter wallpapers (where as a pretty much black wallpaper seems to reduce the visible stuttering).
Does the iPhone use OPENGL thoughout its OS - I seem to remember reading something like this. Perhaps if launcher was redone for OPENGL...?
This annoys the hell out of me. what annoys me more is that our phones are capable of silky smooth scrolling. It seems that the gpu downclocks itself most of the time and just refuses to display more than 5-10 fps. it's certainly not a limitation of the hardware since reducing the graphics load by using a stationary wallpaper (one that doesn't even slide side to side like the stock picture wallpaper does) or just black still results in the horrid framerates.
i've found a workaround however. using a live wallpaper which demands a high framerate such as silhouette or my current favorite: unixseb's bootanimation: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5697670&postcount=28. with either of these wallpapers running our phones seem to kick it up a notch and give >30fps silkyness :-D
this is all with helixlauncher2 btw
it drives me daft as well everytime it happens i think to myself this never happened on the iphone ,it just stutters before it moves and when imputting phone numbers in ,there just seams just a slight delay and considering this has a faster processer it should be lightning fast no stutter ,and if you cant see it your lying to yourself ,or you have never had an iphone, slower processer but the ui is just much quicker, but dont get me wrong i wouldnt go back to the the 3gs from my n1 but i will probably move to the iphone 4g
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what's the reason that our phones don't have smooth scrolling across the home screens like the iPhone does? even the way the scrolling is in the weather /news app would be perfect
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Because the iPhone is a nasty black screen with nothing but icons but the Nexus One has Live Wallpapers / normal wallpapers, interactive & updating Widgets, and a screen with 2.5 times the resolution?
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Because the iPhone is a nasty black screen with nothing but icons but the Nexus One has Live Wallpapers / normal wallpapers, interactive & updating Widgets, and a screen with 2.5 times the resolution?
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That is no excuse, Sense has this and more; and the scrolling is quite silky. It obviously just isn't a smooth, Launcher2 I mean.
Notice that Helix Launcher2 is the Nexus Launcher2 but it is 10x more smooth as that standard unchanged home. Obviously Google just didn't do something right, the scrolling is down right pitiful on the Home screen - where it could have been easily as smooth as the iPhone.
I get what you mean though, the iPhone doesn't have much to slow it down. Therefore no reason to be not smooth.
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Because the iPhone is a nasty black screen with nothing but icons but the Nexus One has Live Wallpapers / normal wallpapers, interactive & updating Widgets, and a screen with 2.5 times the resolution?
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Basically, this. The resolution thing in particular is a huge factor. We aren't just talking about merely double the resolution, here.
Try something, guys. Dig up your oldest, ****tiest laptop/PC. Increase resolution to the highest it will support and see if your performance suffers. Or try this with a game, for that matter, and compare the framerate of 800*600 with 1920*1200.
from what I've read, apple uses a different physics engine than android.
I have to say that indeed the iphone has such a better swiping/scrolling experience than my N1 (even w/ an overclocked desire ROM). The N1, despite it's less powerful GPU as compared to the iphone's is supposed to compensate with its snapdragon cpu. It would be interesting to see how the samsung with the a better cpu and gpu will perform.
from: http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8×50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 28 million triangles/sec
Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
And for comparison a few consoles:
PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
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Basically, this. The resolution thing in particular is a huge factor. We aren't just talking about merely double the resolution, here.
Try something, guys. Dig up your oldest, ****tiest laptop/PC. Increase resolution to the highest it will support and see if your performance suffers. Or try this with a game, for that matter, and compare the framerate of 800*600 with 1920*1200.
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has nothing really to do with resolution in this case it have everything to do with the launcher. If resolution was the factor then home replacements like pandahome would not but insanely smooth on my N1.
Have a Touch and a N1 and can't really tell any real difference between scrolling on both
Sometimes I wonder in N1 users are just more anal that most
has nothing to do with being anal but some people just notice smaller details than others. fact is that the scrolling has a low framerate like what everyone else on here is saying. if ur on cyanogen mod try scrolling from one home screen to the other as slow as possible and see how it stutters its way across and if you do it on an iphone it will go across perfectly smooth
Sense on htc desire is very fast and smooth for why on nexus no ???? for why im perturbed
this is one of the worst things about android for me as well - just a small thing like this has so much of an effect on the user experience, and it's why people always will say the touch screen is 'better' on an iphone than an android phone (especially stock) when they're side to side.
i think it's basically to do with the fact the gpu isn't used. there's a link here about it where people with a lot more knowledge than me shed some light on the subject as well.
also i seem to remember it having something to do with obtaining licences from the cpu manufacturers or something to get access to the gpu code or something or other. although i cant find the link to where i read that and i dont fully understand what i said lol so take it with a pinch of salt.
://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6914
(add http in front of the link above btw)
either way i think this is definitely something google needs to address.
but I was just comparing this to an iPhone 3g yesterday and they both seemed the same to me. scrolling between homescreens was equally choppy (or lack there of, imo). or is the iPhone 3gs improved over the 3g? either way I think its a rather small complaint.
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RogerPodacter said:
but I was just comparing this to an iPhone 3g yesterday and they both seemed the same to me. scrolling between homescreens was equally choppy (or lack there of, imo). or is the iPhone 3gs improved over the 3g? either way I think its a rather small complaint.
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well the 3gs is almost twice as fast as the 3g (if im not mistaken). so there is a difference between the two. i used to compare my 3gs to my moms 3g and would tell her she needs to upgrade. LOL
and the 3gs is smoother than both n1 and 3g scrolling wise. Im sure itll be a software fix down the line.
I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
Thanks
You'd probably get better answers about TouchWiz in another forum, but I can say that I'm not a fan from what I've seen. It would drive me nuts not being able to change the four shortcuts on my homescreen.
The HTC Evo is CyanogenMod supported which, in my opinion, is a very strong selling point.
The HTC Evo also has Froyo. The Galaxy S phones have yet to be updated. I'm pretty sure they'll be seeing an update soon, but you never can tell.
You'll probably never see a full Sense UI ROM on the Epic.
The main thing that I like about the Epic is the Hummingbird processor. I haven't really had an opportunity to play with a Galaxy S phone w/o a T-Mobile sales person breathing down my neck, so I can't really speak to how much better it makes the overall experience.
My opinion would be that if you think you can live without a hardware keyboard, to go with the EVO.
Sorry if that was a bit rambly... I just woke up.
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I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
Thanks
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Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
I keep hearing about all the pixels you can see on the epic. I like my Evo, I'd say if you want to game or need a hardware keyboard go epic otherwise the Evo is great. Most games are payable with the Evo just with a few slowdowns. Battery life is just slightly better on the epic, like 15 mins or something like that.
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i work for sprint, I dont think you can go wrong with either. heres what i think...
Epic
Pros: 4G, GORGEOUS screen, Hummingbird processor really flies when scrolling and rendering, Great KB, and DLNA (instead of HDMI)
Cons: Somewhat bulky even though very lightweight, even though screen is gorgeous, colors are over exaggerated, resulting in some pixelation. 5M/VGA cameras versus the Evo 8M/1.3M combo. Capacitive buttons at bottom VERY touchy and buggy
Evo
Pros: 4G, 4.3 inch screen, HUUUUUGE development community, Android Froyo 2.2 out the box, 8M/1.3M camera combo, KICKSTAND!!, 2 flashes on Camera, HTC Sense blows Touchwiz out of the water (even though I prefer LauncherPro), and lastly Evo comes with Youtube with HQ capabilities
Cons: HTC has capped the framerate of the Evo out of the box because of the HDMI controller. Compared to the Epics constant 60fps, it blows a stock Evo out the water when it comes to anything graphical. Scrolling, pinching and zooming, things like that. The 1GHz Snapdragon core is fast as hell when launching programs and multi tasking and performing operations, but it stinks compared to the Epic when it comes to 3D gaming. Now, with that being said, there are plenty of custom roms and kernels that lift the cap on the framerate on the Evo, letting it achieve about 55fps. Close to 60, but not yet.
Screen on Evo is a tad bigger, but looks sort of washed out against the Epic.
HTC Sense is great for the average user, but its Heavy, slow, and hogs up alot of resources.
Dont get me wrong, the are more pros and cons to both, but to ME, those are the big ones. Which one do I recommend?
I RECOMMEND GOING TO A STORE AND PLAYING WITH BOTH TO SEE WITH ONE YOU..ill say it again....YOU...like better
For me, I already own the Evo, and its an awesome device, the Epic isnt enough of an upgrade for me to ditch the Evo. Furthermore, Sprint employees cant buy the Evo or Epic yet anyways. I only got an Evo cuz I was our stores advocate.
I think if I were in a buyers position tho, and was an average user, or even a more than average user, I would definately pick sadly...the Epic.
Now, if your into hacking and overclocking and tinkering your phone, then the Evo is definately the phone for you. There is so much support for the Evo, its truly unbelievable.
At the end, I LOVE my Evo, hands down the best phone ive ever had. You may not think the same, and coming to an Evo forum is gonna get you some very biased answers on which one is better. Go to a store and try them out for yourself. They are both incredible devices
I don't care at all about games but I am really tired of the slowdowns I've come to expect with Windows Mobile.
For instance, sometimes waiting for a text message to appear or for the home screen to load (5-10 seconds) is "normal" for me. I want a snappy device, with a good end-user experience. Like the iphone.
And I wanna customize it, unlike an iphone.
Edit: Thanks for the recommendation, I'll go in today and play with them again....
This post says it all:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770471
id say go with the touch pro 2 again. haha just kidding, i hated owning the touch pro 2, so slow!!
I had a Touch Pro 2 for a month, it was so slow I couldn't even answer calls on it. Literally it would take 30 seconds to press the "answer call" button and by the the call would be disconnected. Also that conference call feature where you could easily add people to a call simply did not exist (i think it only works on the GSM verison)
I actually really, really like the Palm Pixi after seeing it in person. That thing is tiny [that's what she said] and quite underrated.
I kind of want to ditch my Evo for the Palm Pixi but would mainly miss the Google Maps Navigation. [edit I suppose it probably has Sprint Navigation]
I played with a friends epic, and I was not impressed.
touchwiz looks like kindergarten compared to sense.
it was lightweight and nice display, albeit smaller than evo.
jerryparid said:
Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
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I agree with your review here I have 5 Evo's at work and own one myself and yesterday just activated 2 Epic's great phones screen is out of this world. That being said depends on if you want a mechanical keyboard or not. I could go either way bottom line is you can't lose with either phone they are both great. I can say for me the Evo is the best smart phone I have ever owned.
As others have said, the best way to choose is to play with both of them yourself. That being said, a friend of mine got the Epic the other day and I went over to show her how to use it and I like the EVO more. It may just be the fact that I'm more used to my phone or just simply personal preference, I don't know. The Epic is a nice phone, but IMHO, the EVO is better. Everyone is different though and you may feel another way. I'm just happy that after being with Sprint as long as I have (about 10yrs) and dealing with the fact that year after year all the top phones have gone to different carriers, Sprint finally decided to offer 2 very good choices.
I work at a Sprint store and a customer with an Epic came in with an image burned into the screen. I don't know how and I havn't read anything else on it but if I know Samsung then there will be at least one major issue.
The main reason to not get an Epic is the other name attached to it - Samsung. They are, historically, horrible with their smartphones. Slow to release updates, slow or never release updates to fix bugs big and small, marginal support for devices out on the market, and just a complete lack of customer service. As a former owner of an Instinct and a Moment, I cannot recommend buying anything with the Samsung name attached to it except their TVs and computer monitors.
I can, without any doubt in my mind, say that the Evo is the best phone I've ever owned thus far. By itself with no root and no modifications, it is a wonderful phone. Rooting it and putting whatever I want on it to expand its potential only made it a better phone. The guys over at SDX will have a heck of a time ripping out TouchWiz (yuck!) and making the Epic better than it is (it's already rooted, supposedly). I won't even be thinking about a phone upgrade again until at least November to see what's on the market or what's coming to the market (especially from HTC).
What sold me on this phone and made me trade my evo for this phone was the slide out keyboard alone with swype pre installed. Oh yeah the screen is so much better too just because the evo has a bigger screen don't mean the overall visual quality is better. Despite what the benchmark test shows this phone is faster eventhough the benchmark test shows the evo being faster.
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I chose it for the same reasons you did. I dont like touchscreen keyboards. the screen display just popped compared to the evo. the processor surpasses the evo, the screen size was not that big of factor. I researched it a lot , and was actually very torn as I have been an htc fan for a long time and they make quality stuff.
the evo does have things that the epic doesnt and i would have liked, like the kickstand, the 8 mp camera, the 1.5 front camera , i would have like the larger screen samoled (that would have rocked)
Evo was still hard to get where I live. After I got the epic and played with a friends evo. I knew this was the one I wanted to have.
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Keyboard + rumors of horrible batterylife on evo
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KEYBOARD!!! then The nice SAMOLED Screen
Camera! I didn't care for the epic at first.. it look gross.. and bulky..
The Evo Camera really disappointed me, and the Epic's camera was amazingly better. From then on.. the phone just kept surprising me more and more. Tons of great features
super amoled, 45nm soc, and xda support.
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keyboard, screen quality, initial benchmark comparison...
Well I didn't. I had an EVO and I bought an Epic I still have my EVO. Battery dead... shoved in a drawer somewhere in my house.
What did it for me:
1. Keyboard (YAY! especially with game gripper). I'll probably only buy android phones with keyboards from here on out. Hopefully there are enough good ones to choose from...
2. Screen. HD moves look better. Games look better. Everything looks better. In fact, the EVO's screen looks... BAD... after using the Epic.
3. Faster processor\GPU. 3D games run SO MUCH smoother. Even without Froyo
4. Video codecs built in. I can watch 720p MKV movies without converting. I just drag them to the phone. Same with xvid\divx AVI files.
5. Camera is so so so much better. I mean my EVO couldn't take pictures like this or this or this.
6. Better call quality (from my experience). Clearer\louder voices.
I've been watching the development of these phones since before CTIA in march. The technical specs that Samsung was showing for it's next line of phones was much more advanced than anything HTC had shown. The Samsung-intrinsity 45nm SOC,. Samsung's Super AMOLED with black blacks, and a gpu touted to be 3x faster than what HTC was offering.
It was clear to me that one company was striving to produce a phone on the cutting edge while the other was making a phone that was bigger but not really pushing any limits. I think what Samsung has done is to shake up the competition and raise the bar, and thats why I bought their phone.
The screen was what first drew me, then all the other things, like the processor, keyboard, etc. The last thing that made me buy it was I put it in my pocket. The Evo was much bulkier in my pocket than the Epic. I don't have a case or anything, and I keep my left pants pocket just for my phone.
The camera is amazing. My GF has a 10 MP camera, and mine takes much better pictures. We used mine phone to take the Christamas card picture. I'm pretty amazed at it, I wish I could put my nice polarized filter on it though.
i picked the epic for the samoled screen, the frame rate of the UI (just swiping around screens), and the camera/video camera.
I chose my epic over the evo based on research I did before I chose. I heard goods and bads about touchwiz and HTC sense(this is my first android phone). I heard that sense makes your phone slower than it should be. And the SamoLed screen and keyboard are nice too.
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Physical keyboard and SAMOLED.
Pretty much the speed.
Everything else was a tradeoff:
Amazing Epic screen == Evo's higher subpixel count
Epic's slide-out keyboard == Evo's slim/simple form factor
etc
I personally like both phones. My wife has an evo and I love that phone too. It just got a big update from htc that included swype. Its just like ours. They also have blockbuster just like we have media hub. I find myself playing with hers a lot but whenever we get froyo that might change.
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The Evo was way too large to hold comfortably in my hands.
The fact that the sprint store had 55 epics on august 31st and 0 evos
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For me it's the same as most of you have already responded:
1. Overall size (easier to carry)
2. Super AMOLED display
3. Snappier processor (less lag than EVO)
4. Nice keyboard
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The Evo was way too large to hold comfortably in my hands.
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This (and my pocket).
The Epic is slightly narrower, and lighter. Feels better in the hand.
And I got it for the 45nm hummingbird processor and SAMOLED screen.
Keyboard was an added bonus, but not a selling point. I mostly use the on screen keyboard. Only time I use the hardware one is for NES games.
I finally had a chance to check out the Evo 3D in store. For those who still haven't had a chance I thought I'd share some thoughts.
One of the first things I did was open up the gallery and check out the 3D photos. The 3D effect works very well. It seemed to have an inward depth, nothing jumps out at you. As many reviewers said before there's definitely a "sweet spot" where the 3D works. I found that if I moved my head only slightly to one angle or distance the effect was diminished. You definitely couldn't show off 3D photos to a group of people standing around you. After a short while viewing the 3D images I felt that I had to strain my eyes and almost concentrate to view them properly. Not everyone's eyes are the same so maybe your experience will differ.
The 3D is definitely faster than the 4G in every way. However, it's interesting to note that I compared the 3D to a Nexus S side by side. The Nexus S actually felt and looked more fluid while scrolling through menus and screens. Whereas the 3D had a slight jerkiness to the movement. I'm guessing this is caused by the animation heavy Sense 3.0 transitions. I imagine if you put stock Gingerbread on the 3D it would be much smoother.
All in all it's a good phone. For those who want the novelty of 3D then this is an obvious choice. For me, I think I'll pass and see what's around the corner.
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I finally had a chance to check out the Evo 3D in store. For those who still haven't had a chance I thought I'd share some thoughts.
One of the first things I did was open up the gallery and check out the 3D photos. The 3D effect works very well. It seemed to have an inward depth, nothing jumps out at you. As many reviewers said before there's definitely a "sweet spot" where the 3D works. I found that if I moved my head only slightly to one angle or distance the effect was diminished. You definitely couldn't show off 3D photos to a group of people standing around you. After a short while viewing the 3D images I felt that I had to strain my eyes and almost concentrate to view them properly. Not everyone's eyes are the same so maybe your experience will differ.
The 3D is definitely faster than the 4G in every way. However, it's interesting to note that I compared the 3D to a Nexus S side by side. The Nexus S actually felt and looked more fluid while scrolling through menus and screens. Whereas the 3D had a slight jerkiness to the movement. I'm guessing this is caused by the animation heavy Sense 3.0 transitions. I imagine if you put stock Gingerbread on the 3D it would be much smoother.
All in all it's a good phone. For those who want the novelty of 3D then this is an obvious choice. For me, I think I'll pass and see what's around the corner.
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Ditto.
I checked out the 3D yesterday at my local Sprint store and agree with everything that you said. The 3D is pretty cool, but seems like a huge gimmick. The phone is amazingly fast. I really didn't notice the jerkyness that you were experiencing but I only compared it to my EVO. I am also waiting to see what comes around the corner in July before I make a jump.
Agree, played with one for an hour on launch day, and couldn't pull the trigger. Thought the 3D was awesome, but wouldn't use it all that much. Speed was noticeably faster and even felt more powerful, but I'm waiting for a slimmer OS, hopefully the Nexus Prime.
agreed, the 3d also hurts my eyes a bit. but, imagine how exciting itll be when full 3d roms are flashed onto that beast?
Haven't checked it out, but I'm happy enough with my Evo that I'm probably going to wait for the Nexus Prime as well. I prefer AOSP anyway.
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Haven't checked it out, but I'm happy enough with my Evo that I'm probably going to wait for the Nexus Prime as well. I prefer AOSP anyway.
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This, or the Samsung galaxy s 2
I agree, the 3d is a gimmick, I felt that 1 the 3d is limited in usage on te phone and 2 if i look at it long enough, I will get a headache. plus it appears the 3d pioc can only be viewed in landscape mode.
Not a big Sammy fan, but gotta give the SII a go if it outs soon as expected.
I stayed with the EVO 4G because I knew the EVO 3D was a huge gimmick IMO..
Plus I didn't like the fact that it came with a weak 5 MP camera...
I'll wait for the Evo 4G+ with 8mp cam and dual core.....
A NOTE TO EVERYONE THAT SAID it hurts their eyes after a while.... if your vision is NOT 20/20. MEANING if both eyes are not exactly the same... it will hurt your eyes. so for example, 20/15 or 20/30 30/20. blahblahblah. DO NOT buy a 3D phone. it's pointless to you. idk if glasses would help you guys out. but having your eyes corrected MIGHT help. but that's costly.
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A NOTE TO EVERYONE THAT SAID it hurts their eyes after a while.... if your vision is NOT 20/20. MEANING if both eyes are not exactly the same... it will hurt your eyes. so for example, 20/15 or 20/30 30/20. blahblahblah. DO NOT buy a 3D phone. it's pointless to you. idk if glasses would help you guys out. but having your eyes corrected MIGHT help. but that's costly.
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Info source? It's easy to blame someone's eyes and not the technology. I have perfect sight and still felt it a little straining. Nothing I couldn't handle but it's not something I'd want to watch a full length movie on either.
I said the same thing before I purchased it. The 3D is no gimmick its additional badassery. Thats all I been doing is recording 720p 3D and taking 3D pics. YouTube videos in 3D are freaking sweet. The adreno 220 gpu plays games and handles graphics better than any device out there. 3D games are jaw dropping. I believe the 3D will be the best phone on the market until 2012 based on the 2011 line up I've seen. I will say i like the design on my og EVO way better; why htc put the charger port together with hdmi idk, I HATE how its on the left of the phone and not bottom. That's easily the biggest fail imo. Effin cord gets in way so prepare to be annoyed if you wanna use the phone while its plugged. Not to mention I wish it was flush all around like evo; camera button and 2D/3D slider is lame. That alone fcuks up the design...
I have the worst vision on here probably 20/200 and 3D doesn't bother me one bit after first time.
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EVO 4g is 3vo fat sister lol..the shooter the life of the party ha.
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I don't take a lot of pics or record much video with a phone, and don't play games on it. No reason for 3D.
I didn't buy one because:
~No kickstand. I use mine on my desk at work and at home.
~No landscape mode for the homescreen/app drawer. Don't know the reasoning for that.
~Charge port/USB port on the side- even with a kickstand case it's major fail.
~External buttons sticking out for 3D and camera- at least recess them!
~Dual cameras on the back, more to smudge up with fingerprints, looks funky.
I'll wait for something else to come out before using my upgrade.
I agree 100% with the original poster. I don't really care for the 3D part, I also noticed the extremely narrow viewing angles and I felt like I was straining my eyes to focus on it. I'm actually not a big fan of the camera button simply because it makes the picture blurrier when I try to press it. Instead of just a light simple tap on the screen, I have to exert pressure on the button which makes my hand slightly shaky and then the photo doesn't come out as well. But I guess it probably also has a button you can tap on the screen so that rant was pointless lol.
They had a Nexus S next to the Evo 3D at my store too. I also noticed how the Nexus S seemed almost more fluid and faster than the 3D. I was comparing the 3D right next to my Evo as well, and it definitely was a lot faster. But other than the upgraded internals nothing really stands out to me. The screen is again better than the Evo's but still lacking in comparison to others (Nexus S, GS II). But nothing just jumps out at me like how the original Evo did.
I am waiting for the Galaxy S II to come to sprint. I'm just sold on that phone. Super skinny, very professional looks, screen is absolutely gorgeous, and samsung has continually shown that their hardware is second to none. I feel like TouchWiz doesn't have as much bloat as Sense does (even though I love Sense widgets) and I hate the Sense launcher. TouchWiz has exactly what I want in the launcher, apps messaging phone and internet.
I have the 4g and I got my wife the 3D.
I have to say the 3D is awesome. The pics are cool and we enjoy them. We have a 16 month old son that we take a ton of pictures of and the 3D ones are nice to have.
As for the rest of the phone, it is blazing fast. Zero lag for me. You click something and its instant. Even the gallery is speedy.
I am running the last MikG ROM and you can easily tell the difference in speed.
Also camera quality is way better on the 3D than the 4G even it is 5MP vs. 8MP. The lens is better and it handles low light situations a billion times better.
I am personally trying to hold out for the next Nexus phone for Sprint (hoping it will be this Christmas season) but it is getting harder and harder every day.
I'm not using my upgrade on this phone at all. Seems like basically the same phone, only they threw a gimmick in there. 3D and Shift are both gimmick versions of the original. I'll pass.
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A NOTE TO EVERYONE THAT SAID it hurts their eyes after a while.... if your vision is NOT 20/20. MEANING if both eyes are not exactly the same... it will hurt your eyes. so for example, 20/15 or 20/30 30/20. blahblahblah. DO NOT buy a 3D phone. it's pointless to you. idk if glasses would help you guys out. but having your eyes corrected MIGHT help. but that's costly.
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This is total BS. I have perfect vision 20/20 from lasik surgery 5 months ago, just went back into the office for my checkup and still at 20/20 vision. It still strained my eyes to look at it for any length of time.
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This is total BS. I have perfect vision 20/20 from lasik surgery 5 months ago, just went back into the office for my checkup and still at 20/20 vision. It still strained my eyes to look at it for any length of time.
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Thats crazy you say that, my vision is very poor, near sight in left eye, far sight in right eye. Its a pain lol, w/o glasses or contacts and the two come together talk about freaking migraines from hell. Im getting a lasik consultation in two weeks. Could you give me your input on it? Hows your vision treating you, are your eyes extremely light sensitive now? My friend says he cant go outside without shades because his eyes after surgery are really sensitive to the sun. My vison is bad but the 3D doesnt hurt my eyes though....hmmm weird. Some of the stock 3D pics that come on the phone did hurt a bit lol.
OK, I just tried the 4G and 3D side-by-side for about 45 min. IMO the screens are not much different from one another in terms of the look of text and images, and if anything the 4G looks more contrasty! For the record I do see a minor difference in overall white balance, but it is minor and not worth fussing about. Note also that the narrower screen on the 3D means that images on web sites appear MUCH smaller than they do on the 4G. The 4G seems to fit the image to the page width while the 3D makes them smaller for some reason.
Also in testing, the 4G has a better camera for sure. It's sharper, better white balance and just as fast in operation as the 3D. I have a question - those of you who feel the 3D has a better screen - have you used them side-by-side, or are you going on memory?
I honestly found very little difference in terms of overall speed too - apps load about as fast as each other (camera, gallery, scrolling photos, google maps, gmail, etc. all work as fast on the 4D as they do on the 3D - using WIFI) Web pages usually loaded faster on the 4G!
Aside from being slightly more narrow, the only meaningful improvement *for me* would really be better battery life...but as my Evo gets through a day of heavy use as it is, I will not be using my upgrade for the 3D.
For the record, the Nexus S has more contrast than either of the Evos - though the Nexus also has Major battery issues...
pictures on 3D looks smaller because of the screen resolution...
i did side by side, today my 4G its going for sale, for me the screen on the 3d looks more like a retina display, better colors and crisp.
I got the 3d on launch day. Had the 4g since launch day. I'd give it a little more testing if I were you. The screen is much more crisp and sharp. Not sure how they had it set up where you tested it out at, but believe me when I tell you it does everything faster (as in opening apps, loading, etc.) Only thing I miss is the kickstand and the speaker from the O.G. Evo.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
For me, the OG Evo is fast enough. What I really want to address in a new phone are:
More contrast in screen - not addressed with the 3D
hand-holdability - not really addressed with the 3D (though it is slightly more narrow, but taller)
Battery life - my current 4G setup goes 24 hours with heavy use. Which is good IMO. Though I gather the 3D can do even better.
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I guess I agree with the reviewers more than you guys do. Many said the screen looks soft and low in contast. IMO the 3d screen is at best as good as the 4g. Especially when held side by side. - it is obvious. And I also held it side by side with the Nexus - no contest there. Nexus wins hands down in terms of contrast. Though I do like the Evo phones more overall because of better build quality, etc. Anyway my upgrade is not going to be used just yet...
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Hahahaha... Well, I have my OG Evo still and the Evo 3D. And I too notice the whites on the OG Evo appear brighter. But the difference between 800*480 compared to 960*540 is very noticeable. Like for example...both have Twidroyd installed on them...but I get 6 icons on the UberBar on the OG Evo; 7 on the Evo 3D...and text is definitely more crisp. Also very noticeable when zooming in on pics compared to the OG Evo.
I have both currently and the EVO 3d in my OP is an upgrade in all aspects. I even put the same wall paper on mine as my friends Samsung Fascinate and had a couple people look and they thought the EVO 3d had the better picture and more true colors.
The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
Me too. The 3d is not enough better ;-)
When I get bored I swap between the Nexus and 4g.
If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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If the Evo 3D still had the 3D functionality but was named something else (say the Evo 2) 99% of the people posting negative about it wouldn't.
Sad that a simple number and letter actually makes all the difference in the world to some.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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The above statement does not apply to me. I am basing my comments on the assumption that I will not use the 3D functionality at all, honestly. I am ignoring the "3D" for the purposes of assessing the phone for my purposes.
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I didn't mean to direct my comments at you.
No problem, I just wanted to be clear.
The E3D is significantly better than the EVO in so many aspects. The screen is mote crisp, has better contrast, and does not have the ridiculous purple tint that plagues the screens of so many EVOs.I didn't realise how bad the screen was until I got the 3D. The 3D is faster and has significantly improved battery life. The camera performs better in low light situations and the 3D is.a really sick feature. Most of the previously 3D naysayers actually love this feature in the 3D forums, including me. You may knock it, but you don't own one. I love my EVO but the 3D is clearly s much better phone on every aspect.
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The Evo is already such a great phone I just can't see dropping some extra money to get the 3D version just for a screen with better resolution. Yeah it has dual processors and what not, but I wonder what that does for battery life. I'm still loving my Evo so I don't have any plans to upgrade.
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Asynchronous dual core = better battery life.
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The reason the speed isn't much different is because the 3d is running 2.3. 2.3 doesn't take advantage of the dual core processor correctly. Once 2.4 comes out and is sent to the 3d you will notice a huge difference from what i heard because it knows how to use the 3d's beastly hardware to the fullest. Haha
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I agree its not enough better for me to upgrade yet. I went from a Hero to an EVO and that upgrade was HUGE. Just not impressed enough with the 3D to use my upgrade yet, gonna wait and see what the future has in store.
I also have the 4 g on launch day and now have had the 3 d since launch day. You can definitely tell a difference with the processors. Browsing in scrolling through menus is faster than is ever been for me before. This dual core processor blows my mind.
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Yesterday I played with the one at the Best buy store. the 3D hurts your eyes. The only thing that makes this worth while is the processor. Otherwise its not worth the upgrade.
Sense 3.0 is nice, but you can get it with custom roms here.
One thing I couldn't figure out was does it support wifi N?
I went and tried it again for 30 min yesterday. What is interesting is that on WIFI, the 4G loads pages faster than the 3d EVERY TIME. I loaded probably 10 pages at the same exact time on both. 4G always won. Anyone else try this?
I'm sticking with the 4G until Seidio puts out an extended battery for the 3D.
They've announced a 1900 mAh one. That's not really extended IMO especially since stock is 1730 mAh.
There is a rumor of a super extended 3200 mAh. I guess that's okay, but it's not been confirmed yet. All the "pics" of it are of the Thunderbolt one.