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Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
nadeemhasnaat said:
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Good question, I would love to see that as well... BUT I suppose it is not possible without the kernel sourse, unless Sprint's Hero comes out with 1.6 and then its ROM is ported to our European Heros. That's up to the devs!
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
chaoscentral said:
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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That was what I thought. But Joshua @ Engadget told me that their Sprint Hero review unit only has Android 1.5 on it. Well, Android 1.6 added support for CDMA does not necessarily mean that one cannot write a driver for Android 1.5 to support CDMA.
But anyway, I do think that it is almost likely that HTC will release a 1.6 update for the Hero in a not too distance future.
The Google experience G1s and Magics are purely that - stock Cupcake ROMs. The Hero presents a slight challenge as HTC put a lot of love into the ROM, with the addition of SenseUI. Hopefully, it won't take that long to cook a Donut ROM with SenseUI, but just making the transition of the great innovations from HTC for the Hero will be the stumbling block for a Donut-based ROM.
HTC Response to my Donut question.
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
J-Zeus said:
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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Man thats so frustrating innit. I am sure if we ask google, they wont comment either coz our hero is not with "GOOGLE EXPERIENCE" ..... what a load of cr*p
well i actually snooped around and heard a couple of ppl say that it should not be a difficult task for HTC to induce Rosie into 1.6, infact one of them even said " should be a peice of cake" so i am a hopless optimist and hopefully it'll be sent as an OTA upgrade or " HOTFIX " by HTC soon...
I'll call HTC too and see if i can get any more info out
update
Just got off the phone with a customer support officer from HTC UK. And she said that while they dont have the exact date on when HTC will issue and update bundled with Donut, It is under works and will be sooner rather than later..... now the waiting games begin
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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well the only notable improvement might be of the speed and performance, although google didn't shout about it so i m thinking it'll be minimalistic ... however detailed battery usage, universal search and test to speech are a few things i wouldn't mind having....
But actually for me its just about getting the latest updates on the Android flagship device...
dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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One benefit will be being able to run any future apps that require 1.6 (use 1.6-specific API features). We already have apps that run only on 1.5 or higher...
system-wide search feature would be nice...
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I signed up to point it out:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/tattoo/specification.html
http://developer.htc.com/htc_tattoo_developer.html
The Tattoo will be shipping with Android 1.6, and it uses the Sense UI. That should mean that it isn't too far off for the Hero.
Looks promising! and the Tatoo is Due to launch orange UK this month
VPN and Global search are the two main features I am most excited about in the Donut
It's supposed to be faster also.
Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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yes it does
http://drop.io/g1i9pj0 hero is getting donut....you might also be getting a snapdragon hero.
I installed donut on my girlfriends g1 yesterday and it seemed much faster than cupcake.
We need !
boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/16/android-2-0-screenshot-walkthrough/
Any indication about release date?
Hero support? That's actually the bad thing about hero. We will have to check if HTC decides to upgrade to the new android, while with Magic it will keep being supported..
Why would they update the Magic but not the Hero?
finisterre said:
Why would they update the Magic but not the Hero?
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Noob.
Please research before posting.
A vanilla Google os gets updates ota through their provider, while HTC has to make a hero build seperate
finisterre said:
Why would they update the Magic but not the Hero?
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cuz HTC made their version of Android using SenseUI so its not directly supported by Google. HTC will have to cook us up and update, test sense and release
I wouldn't worry too much about Eclair just yet because:
a) The Eclair development SDK hasn't been released yet.
b) We don't even have Donut!
Of course, if Eclair does ship before year end, there is always a chance that HTC might decide so skip Donut entirely, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Regards,
Dave
motorola are to start shippng phones running 2.0 from the beginning of november so htc may decide to skip donut.
http://www.t3.com/news/googles-eclair-android-2-0-update-arriving-soon?=41509
i reallyyy doubt that motorola will be shipping soon
id put an estimate at the years end
Could you not install 1.6 or 2.0 without HTC sense though? Whether it came from HTC or from Google.
Sorry if I'm being a "noob" but we don't all spent all our time playing with our phones and reading up on them. Some of us just like making old fashioned phone calls.
cymru said:
Could you not install 1.6 or 2.0 without HTC sense though? Whether it came from HTC or from Google.
Sorry if I'm being a "noob" but we don't all spent all our time playing with our phones and reading up on them. Some of us just like making old fashioned phone calls.
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I suppose it can be done. But i rather have 1.5 with sense than 1.6 / 2.0 without it. Ill wait for HTC since im just fine with what i have now
cymru said:
Could you not install 1.6 or 2.0 without HTC sense though? Whether it came from HTC or from Google.
Sorry if I'm being a "noob" but we don't all spent all our time playing with our phones and reading up on them. Some of us just like making old fashioned phone calls.
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If you just wanna make plain old phonecalls then why so interested in updates?
Thiesen said:
If you just wanna make plain old phonecalls then why so interested in updates?
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DITTO
1 thing to know btw.......
what exactly sense is? is it only the fancy thing with curve menu system and 7 home screens? or is it something integrated part of the android OS without which the OS cant even run?
i want to know this because for last 2 days i have been running without the sense home screen and it feels good with that simple and plain homescreen.
The Sens is the user interface that you c on your hero. i don't like the sens uit it slows down the phone. all the htc software for android are really really bad. i prefer the android plane OS.
HTC don't want to release the hero kernel, if they release it we will be able to install android OS without all the UI from htc.
you say you're running hero without sense home screen. you maybe don't see the home screen but it is still using your ram and running services on the background.
i'm looking forward to android 2.0 it looks great. and if you look @ www.droidoes.com you will see that verizon is gonna release their android 2.0 in november. but i still don't see any sdk for it what is weird :s.
the only thing we can do is to wait and see what happens next month
commodoor said:
The Sens is the user interface that you c on your hero. i don't like the sens uit it slows down the phone. all the htc software for android are really really bad. i prefer the android plane OS.
HTC don't want to release the hero kernel, if they release it we will be able to install android OS without all the UI from htc.
you say you're running hero without sense home screen. you maybe don't see the home screen but it is still using your ram and running services on the background.
i'm looking forward to android 2.0 it looks great. and if you look @ www.droidoes.com you will see that verizon is gonna release their android 2.0 in november. but i still don't see any sdk for it what is weird :s.
the only thing we can do is to wait and see what happens next month
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My guess is that the November date is just a date for a press conference or announcement of the phone, with the actual release date comes a month or two later. Besides the Android 2.0, it is nice to see that the hardware specification of smartphones is finally moving forward, i.e. manufacturers finally move to faster CPU, more memory, and bigger screen with higher resolution, rather than keep recycling the Qualcomm 528Mhz CPU and HVGA screen that powered to many devices over the last few years.
Is the locale language in menus, keyboards and dictionaries, a part of sence. Or would that be possible to have in a more native android version (like magic).
> I suppose it can be done. But i rather have 1.5 with sense than 1.6 / 2.0 without it.
> Ill wait for HTC since im just fine with what i have now
Personally, I'm dying for 1.6 because I feel handicapped & shackled by the soft keyboard, and urgently need the Gesture support from 1.6 to do Graffiti-like handwriting recognition. If Gestures were implemented as a shared lib that could be installed to 1.5 in addition to being an inherent part of 1.6 I wouldn't mind as much, but as it stands with 1.5, text input is just painfully frustrating, and has really put me off from exploring things I'd otherwise be spending lots of time playing with. I shudder to even think about trying to launch a Perl or Python app from the shell one painfully-fighting-with-prediction-and-losing-badly letter at a time. Prediction and autocorrection might be tolerable for t3xt msg3z, but falls flat on its face and dies a horrible death when you're trying to type something in camelCase with inline.punctuation.
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Thiesen said:
If you just wanna make plain old phonecalls then why so interested in updates?
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Cos 1.6 has, and i assume 2.0, a voice activated calling feature...
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Cos 1.6 has, and i assume 2.0, a voice activated calling feature...
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The original T-Mobile US G1 firmware (Android 1.0) had a voice dialler! Are you sure you're not thinking of the text-to-speech engine that's in 1.6?
Regards,
Dave
Hello,
Since Google IO, i was very excited to see the push feature, cloud to device (C2D) but it has been a few weeks and I cannot find any app using these features.
All I could find is the Chrome extension ( exist also on mozilla) to send links on the phone by push...
But were are the other applications?
I imagined all the geeks creating imaginative apps (it's also the world cup and push is esential!) after that but seem to be impossible to find.
Please share what you found.
Thanks
Profete162
froyo aint officially released so I dont think there will be many apps using this feature until Froyo is out properly.
May want to review a vid or two from I/O. It's a feature they're going to implement, probably later in the summer. So far it only works for maps & links.
Ok, thanks for the info.
If I hadn't seen the chrome extention, i would never have asked the question, but as this extention is working pretty well, I imagined other applications that would use this feature.
Especially for the world cup
But OK, i will just wait a few weeks/month.
Sorry, it's me again.
As te N1 has Froyo since a few weeks and the Desire Begin to have it.
A lot of other devices too ( Hero, Dream, Magic, Droid,..)
I do not feel yet the power of Froyo applications. Am I too excited and should I wait a little bit more?
Does the Dev's have all the tools in their hands to make push applications ( for sport, that seem a must-have)
Sorry if my question is too early for asking that. I cannot feel the power of Froyo 2 month after the Google I/0.
profete162 said:
Sorry, it's me again.
As te N1 has Froyo since a few weeks and the Desire Begin to have it.
A lot of other devices too ( Hero, Dream, Magic, Droid,..)
I do not feel yet the power of Froyo applications. Am I too excited and should I wait a little bit more?
Does the Dev's have all the tools in their hands to make push applications ( for sport, that seem a must-have)
Sorry if my question is too early for asking that. I cannot feel the power of Froyo 2 month after the Google I/0.
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Only the N1 has froyo officially. If you look at the share of the android OS that is on 2.2 it's incredibly small still even with the rooted roms. clicky. It needs to roll out to a sizeable percentage before it will be supported by the majority of developers. 1.8% if all android users isn't a big enough market to go after with applications.
Just need patience young padawan
Is there a way to start fresh with a stock clean Android ROM for SGS
then install only the Apps that we want?
instead of doing it this way
Apps that can be deleted due root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712546
which is going backward, erasing all the stuff you don't want in your phone and probably leaving unwanted files left behind
Probably not until someone cooks a ROM like OpenDesire for the Galaxy S. I have to agree that it seems to be a little backwards with how ROMs are approached. I too would rather just have a stock Android I can then modify myself minus all the Facewhore, Douchespace and Twatter integration constantly creeping up everywhere.
Everyone I know that uses Android syncs their contacts with their Google account, which makes reloading my address book much easier after swapping ROMs. So the automatic Facebook info pulling that's left in many of the Galaxy S ROMs is useless and a waste of space.
But yea, the very top of the list in the dev section, sticked in bold should be Stock/Vanilla/Stripped Android ROM(when someone bakes it), and then all the custom bakes below it. A good majority of us prefer the minimalist, efficient approach of stock Android over all these poor attempts at reinventing the wheel (I'm looking at you TouchWiz)
Lets do it ;-)
http://source.android.com/porting/build_system.html
http://opensource.samsung.com/
Oh yeah !
I wish we all could get the froyo with the Vanilla flavor
i know that most SGS ROM Cooks and Chefs are waiting for Froyo to come out, before spending some quality time on developing good ROMs for our phones
so lets wait 'till next month when Samsung says it'll release Froyo, and lets see how it all develops from there..... i can't wait for a clean Android to start making my own ROMs
All this talk of cooking and baking ROMS with Android chefs is making me hungry!
Can't wait for my 2.2 dessert!
I'd really love to see a clean froyo rom without most of the stuff preinstalled by samsung. Maybe it's then possible to use bluetooth with a wiimote, when no touchwiz is installed at all.
Here is a start http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=757000
Some dev can port it to galaxy?
Well I have a Telstra HD2.. and would like to put android on it...
I have been using the telstra Galaxy s for the last couple of months.. and would like something that is very sim to that.. on my hd2.. (change of companies and have surender the galaxy s).
1. What is required for before I can change to android??
2. What android rom is going to be most like the galaxy s???
3. Will the android be a native or an emulator?
4. Will i get 3g, I've read some confusing posts?
5. Will my battery life be effected?
6. Will the phone run hotter then it does now?
I'm not a very tech savy person but given enough reference material, I can get through most things, I have put pther roms on my HTC before and currently am using one of DUTTY's rom's..
Also lastly how will putting android on my htc effect connecting it to my pc and syncing contacts and data?
Not to be a jerk or anything but you jr members should pay attention this kinds of threads will get deleted by the mods for the question you ask is just an opinion and it can offend developers
And most likely I don't think anyone will reply
Targanon said:
Well I have a Telstra HD2.. and would like to put android on it...
I have been using the telstra Galaxy s for the last couple of months.. and would like something that is very sim to that.. on my hd2.. (change of companies and have surender the galaxy s).
1. What is required for before I can change to android??
2. What android rom is going to be most like the galaxy s???
3. Will the android be a native or an emulator?
4. Will i get 3g, I've read some confusing posts?
5. Will my battery life be effected?
6. Will the phone run hotter then it does now?
I'm not a very tech savy person but given enough reference material, I can get through most things, I have put pther roms on my HTC before and currently am using one of DUTTY's rom's..
Also lastly how will putting android on my htc effect connecting it to my pc and syncing contacts and data?
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1. lots of reading at the stickies.
2. many , yuou just have to try out, coz many here prefer the sense or CM6 builds.
3.neither, its runs of the SD
4. ask a telstra user, i'm not one.
5.very much , but the newer kernals are very battery friendly
6. depands on the weather in australia, just kidding, no idea, mine never gets hot, see my signature to figure out what i'm using.
USE GOOGLE to sync your contact
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