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t9193 vs. t8185

I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.

1) Yes, the hardware* is the same inside and out.
2) AFAIK, 3G radio is hardware dependent. You can flash all the different radios you want, but unless the hardware has that specific frequency, you wont be getting any 850mhz 3G. Meaning, the Euro (t8185) version will not receive AT&T 3G/UMTS because it doesn't have the correct radio hardware.
* except for the radio.

doubledrake20 said:
I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.
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1. NO
2. NO
Keep in mind:
t8185 designed for EU market but compatible gsm with usa ATT for partial functionality.
t9193 designed for AU/Asian market but compatible gsm & maybe 3g WITH USA att, but ROM dependent to accomplish that. You won't get stable 3g WITH telstra rom, but need customized rom.
t9193 hardware is NOT compatible for T-Mobile, at least no released model I know of yet.
HTC HD2 coming to T-Mobile, supposedly in March 2010. (probably a different htc model number)
Rumors are HTC HD2 coming to Sprint ( possibly android os model) & Verizon (as wm os) sometime in future. att...who knows?
Radio rom upgrades can sometimes improve your experience, but only within the limits of your hardware.
ROM upgrades cannot change the hardware compatibitity for a given signal. You must change chip inside the device for that.
ROM upgardes or customizing rom can improve your experience with your given hardware signal compatibility. (e.g. bug fix that improves signal problem)
Hold on to your t8185 until usa versions of the htc HD2 hit the market. Then, you'll have options. (e.g. change phone or change providers or both)
If htc HD2 is really a big hit in usa, then expect most providers to have it or a hardware variation of it, later this year.

Hello Everyone,
Anyone know the model number for the USA T-Mobile Version?
Thank you ,
Monnie

thanks for the info devilduck, i can't switch contracts till mid 2011 so i really wanted 3g with my current provider, at&t. Guess i'll just have to switch to 9193 eventually.
And to monnie, i dont think they have the model number out just yet.

Anyone compared: Upgrade from euro version to T-Mobile?

I am debating giving my wife my euro version, as her cell just died (LG Cookie) and buying/unlocking a T-Mobile version for myself. Of course the first thing I'll do is HSPL 2.08, so the question is...
Will I notice a difference between the two in terms of call quality? My euro has the 576 RAM hack ROM installed, but I'll likely remove that since my wife could not possibly cafe less about it. Doe the T-Mobile's have improved call quality over the euro versions, as they actually support the extra RAM as stock?
Has anyone been able to do a side-by-side comparison first hand?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
One more thing:
Under normal circumstances, the T-Mobile version ships with 2.08 radio, which will not be affected if I flash a 2.10 based/TMOUS compatible ROM, correct? I mean, the ROM and Radio are separate flashes, and most cooked ROMs do not include Radios, so I'd be safe, generally speaking, correct? Don't want to brick the new one.

For clarity it would be a good idea to differentiate between the UK and US T-mobile models as I have a UK version and it would be pointless doing the comparision with an EU model. Wouldn't it?

donalgodon said:
I am debating giving my wife my euro version, as her cell just died (LG Cookie) and buying/unlocking a T-Mobile version for myself. Of course the first thing I'll do is HSPL 2.08, so the question is...
Will I notice a difference between the two in terms of call quality? My euro has the 576 RAM hack ROM installed, but I'll likely remove that since my wife could not possibly cafe less about it. Doe the T-Mobile's have improved call quality over the euro versions, as they actually support the extra RAM as stock?
Has anyone been able to do a side-by-side comparison first hand?
Thanks in advance for any insight.
One more thing:
Under normal circumstances, the T-Mobile version ships with 2.08 radio, which will not be affected if I flash a 2.10 based/TMOUS compatible ROM, correct? I mean, the ROM and Radio are separate flashes, and most cooked ROMs do not include Radios, so I'd be safe, generally speaking, correct? Don't want to brick the new one.
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you won't have 3G, if you don't live in the US, besides that there shouldn't be any differences.
pa49 said:
For clarity it would be a good idea to differentiate between the UK and US T-mobile models as I have a UK version and it would be pointless doing the comparision with an EU model. Wouldn't it?
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UK version = EU version.

shu8i;6090723
UK version = EU version.[/QUOTE said:
Really?
Well you learn something new everyday.
That means that the UK is now in the EU?
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pa49 said:
Really?
Well you learn something new everyday.
That means that the UK is now in the EU?
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huh?
im stating that both are one to one the same device. they are bothe a T8585 model. It has nothing to do with the fact that the UK isn't in the EU!

shu8i said:
huh?
im stating that both are one to one the same device. they are bothe a T8585 model. It has nothing to do with the fact that the UK isn't in the EU!
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The UK is in the EU

jakem said:
The UK is in the EU
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y but they are not in shengen and don't have euro as currency.

the good thing about the t mobile version, is that it comes with a lot more internal memory then the euro , besides that is all the same .

Can't t-mobile hd2 use roms for leo hd2??

I'm about to buy hd2 but a shop only sells t-mobile hd2.
I'm wondering if I can use the roms for leo hd2.

You can use custom roms found here on XDA on a tmobile HD2.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

you can use MOST custom roms on the tmous.
@OP the tmous will only take roms that are v 2.x or higher, so that means none of the non tmous stock roms (which include a deadly radio anyway) and no cooked roms that are based on 1.x base roms. Read the roms thread, they generally cleary say that they are tmous compatible, most are.

Oh , thank you for good information
Then, t-mobile one is faster than international one? since it has 1 gb rom and 512 mb ram

I flash whatever ROM I find.... Since the onces that are not cmopatible with th US Version would normally have something like this at the top of the post
DOES NOT WORK ON THE US HD2 or something...
So i'll avoid those.... But it helps to read the entire post, .50 radios are compatible. any other Radio version wont work...
Just a thought.... Most rom are just that...ROMs not a combination of (ROM/Radio) like the ones issued from T-Mobile and HTC
Edit: All the HTC HD2 / LEOs are the Similar in Speed.. The only major difference is the ROM(storage) Spaced Where as the US Version had 1G all the others only have 512MB

hakuchi18v said:
Edit: All the HTC HD2 / LEOs are the Similar in Speed.. The only major difference is the ROM(storage) Spaced Where as the US Version had 1G all the others only have 512MB
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You forgot one major factor....
If you live in USA you'll most definitely want the T-Mobile edition anyway because the international version won't give you 3G/HSPA+. That's if you plan on purchasing the data plan.

T-Mobile US 3G/H requires the 1700/2100 Frequency

jorkobe23 said:
Then, t-mobile one is faster than international one? since it has 1 gb rom and 512 mb ram
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no, a bigger fuel tank doesn't make a car go faster,,,, morerom just means more storage, not more speed.
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You forgot one major factor....
If you live in USA you'll most definitely want the T-Mobile edition anyway because the international version won't give you 3G/HSPA+.
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unless you are on at&t in which case you want the international version.

TMO HD2 vs HTC HD2; which one runs android better

I am planning to buy a HD2 just to run android on it. I have the option to buy TMob HD2 (bigger RAM and ROM) and the HTC HD2 (smaller RAM and ROM).
Am sure that almost all the Android ROMs work on both phones. I just want to know, which of these runs android better?
I really like Desire HD but its currently very expensive here (~US$ 710) and I don't want to spend that much. whereas HD2 (both Tmob and HTC) is available for ~US$ 435. So am thinking of buying HD2.

hsnmz said:
I am planning to buy a HD2 just to run android on it. I have the option to buy TMob HD2 (bigger RAM and ROM) and the HTC HD2 (smaller RAM and ROM).
Am sure that almost all the Android ROMs work on both phones. I just want to know, which of these runs android better?
I really like Desire HD but its currently very expensive here (~US$ 710) and I don't want to spend that much. whereas HD2 (both Tmob and HTC) is available for ~US$ 435. So am thinking of buying HD2.
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If you're from the US, you should get a TMO HD2 for sure, they're the only ones you'll have 3G possibilities with, and you have more internal memory. EDIT: That's assuming you have TMO as provider. If you don't, you won't get 3G on your TMO phone.
If you live outside the US, you'll need an HTC (well, they're both HTC of course) if you want 3G, but you can still use a TMO for everything but 3G if you really like to have that 512mb extra internal memory (not the best choice if you ask me).
If you're Australian, I'm not really sure what you should do because I think they have an even different version.

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If you're from the US, you should get a TMO HD2 for sure, they're the only ones you'll have 3G possibilities with, and you have more internal memory. EDIT: That's assuming you have TMO as provider. If you don't, you won't get 3G on your TMO phone.
If you live outside the US, you'll need an HTC (well, they're both HTC of course) if you want 3G, but you can still use a TMO for everything but 3G if you really like to have that 512mb extra internal memory (not the best choice if you ask me).
If you're Australian, I'm not really sure what you should do because I think they have an even different version.
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not sure where ur from , if your from ASIA T mob is the deal coz u get 3G!!, well u can actualy gte one on XDA for as low as 250$

If you are in the US and have ATT, get the Telstra/Australia version as it has support for ATT's 850mhz 3g band I think. Just depends on where you're located and what carrier you have. I would go with the version that I could receive 3g service on.

Get TMOUS HD2

I don't know what you guys are thinkin but all hd2's are tmobile in america. so if your from another country than this question is legit but if your in america all hd2's are htc and tmobile branded.

sherlockpwnz said:
I don't know what you guys are thinkin but all hd2's are tmobile in america. so if your from another country than this question is legit but if your in america all hd2's are htc and tmobile branded.
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Yeah, but you can still order one from Australia, which will allow you to get 3g with at&t in USA.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

thanks for the suggestions guys. I am from Pakistan and there is no 3G here. my only concern is the performance of both variants. with more RAM and ROM, does TMO HD2 perform better as compared to the HTC HD2 while using android?

For Australian HD2 be aware the "Next G" version is model 9193 ( 850 - 2100mhz), you can still get the 8585 model that has different frequencies that are 900Mhz - 2100mhz. This is not great for Australia as there is the Next G network from Telstra (works well everywhere with minimum 3G but H in metro) and the 3G network (3G in metro areas and normal edge network elsewhere).
You need to check which model you are getting as there has been an influx of 8585 models available on ebay.

I'm in the US and had the Euro version of the HD2 several months before getting my TMUS phone. I tried every Winmo ROM available on both, finding no discernable difference in performance. I can't address any potential performance differences in Android however as I sold my Euro phone prior to Android builds being introduced.

hsnmz said:
thanks for the suggestions guys. I am from Pakistan and there is no 3G here. my only concern is the performance of both variants. with more RAM and ROM, does TMO HD2 perform better as compared to the HTC HD2 while using android?
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There will be no difference when running android. Only difference between phones is 3g radio and rom size. Rom size will give more storage space once android can be installed on rom, but there will be no difference in performance.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

zarathustrax said:
There will be no difference when running android. Only difference between phones is 3g radio and rom size. Rom size will give more storage space once android can be installed on rom, but there will be no difference in performance.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App
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thnks for the info. now I will get the one I find cheaper.

Tmo HD2 in uk

In a nutshell, would a Tmobile US HD2 work in the UK under the virgin network?
I've been looking at the frequency that virgin's running at and the supported list for the T9193, and I just want to confirm that it should work before I buy it.
Oh, and does the US version come with the AUO Display by any chance?

It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know

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It will of course need to be unlocked/sim free and to get the hsdpa/3G connection will need to support that.
As you have done some of the homework I expect by now you'll know
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I won't need to because most of the ones I've found on sale are already unlocked, so this would work?

I've always wanted to know,,, since the tmous network uses aws, meaning it uses both it's available utms bands, 1700 and 2100, one for up, one for down, and everyone else uses one band for both, 2100 in this case, is the tmous radio hardware capable of using one band for both?
(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)

samsamuel said:
(Also, wasn't clear from your post, but you know the t9193 is the telstra model, not tmous, right?)
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Actually, I didn't, I just assumed T9193 was the US version.

Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.

samsamuel said:
Hehe, lucky you didn't impulse buy then eh?
There would be no benefit in bringing a t9193 to the UK, since it is identical to the regular hd2( commonly called the t8585, but see below) with the exception of the 850/2100 bands instead of 900/2100, and a tiny amount of case branding.
The tmous appears to carry the same t8585 designation as the regular hd2, although it never seems to be referenced as such anywhere, and Googling t8585 always brings up the regular, never the tmous.
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Yes, very lucky
As for why I want it, there's a lower chance of having wake up lag, and it has 1gb rom, that's all. So if possible I'd like to have this.

Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.

samsamuel said:
Again, not sure from your post which one you mean by "why I want it", though I shall assume you mean the tmous because the t9193 does NOT have 1gb rom.(as for less chance of wake-up lag,,,, hmmm, I'd take that little nugget of info with a large pinch of salt. I've been here daily for 18 months and seen absolutely NO evidence pointing to that being true, ((and indeed you are the first person I've seen saying it)))
your research now would be aimed at finding out for sure if a phone designed for aws can be used on non aws networks. I suspect it will but I for one certainly wouldn't buy until I knew for definite.
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Sorry for nt being clear, but I meant the tmous, and I just think there's a better chance of it not having wake up lag, and also having an AUO display.

I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.

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I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T-Mobile, had 3G connection but didn't give it the best of tests as was only in town for a day.
I expect it will be fine as worked perfect on european networks using 2 bands (1up, 1down).
Wil be in UK next month so will test it fully.
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Ty a lot, that's all I needed, virgin is a virtual network using Tmobile, so if it works on that, then it should work fine

no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.

Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Sounds great, I'd been thinking of jumping on the dual core bandwagon, but the cost has been holding me back, and this piece of news makes me feel better.

Mister B said:
no problem, Tmous is the beast & the later built models have revised motherboard & new screen supplier so quality/reliability is better.
Tmob bashed HTC over high unit returns & was the only thing that pushed HTC to do a sneaky revision model.
I run mine on Energy ROM & it is superb, works great in all countries & scenarios I have encountered so far.
1200Mah battery is only real big issue as on 3g HSPDA ect it uses a lot of power compared to GSM Edge.
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Yeah you are right T-Mobile had a huge percentage of HD2 returns and exchanges. Heck even I myself had a replacement HD2 sent to me as my first one had gotten where it would take me up to ten resets to getcit to boot past the orange Windows screen. But most of the returns in my opinion were because people were use to iPhones and Android devices not Windows Mobile. And as we all know Windows Mobile is not for everybody, especially te stock Win Mo ROMs. I myself hated my HD2 the first month I had it as it was my first smartphone cause it would freeze up, close applications on it's own, turn off on it's own (sometimes), get stuck on boot up everytime I had to turn it off then back own, and took forever to load a web page. But when I flash the official update almost all of that cleared up except the damn sticking at bootup. Not long after I flashed the update (my very first flash ) I found XDA and my HD2 became a prized possession. I have not ever so much as seen are touched a EU HD2 and I know they are probably justcas good as a TMOUS HD2, after all Cottula's HD2 is a EU lol. But just to give you some more personal feed back. My TMOUS is great. It still agrevates me sometimes but that is only because I live in an area with crappy signal. Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.

T-Macgnolia said:
Can not give you feed back on your question about it working where you live but I can tell you that you won't regret buying a TMOUS HD2, unless you flash the wrong radio to it lol.
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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
Looks like the following works fine:
Leo_Radio_2.15.50.14
Seems to be the same one I was using for my eu hd2

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I take it u mean the .51.x radios? Will prbly buy it tomorrow from ebay.
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Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.

T-Macgnolia said:
Yeah that is what I am talking about. You can not flash a radio with a 51 in it to a TMOUS. Also you can not flash a radio with these numbers in it 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx, these where the radios used in the test TMOUS HD2 devices (HTC Pro Three) and they will kill a TMOUS just like a radio with a 51 in it. You have been warned lol.
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You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(

Mister B said:
I got the Tmous version & have used it in UK on Vadaphone & T Mo
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Good to know. Makes sense that it would work, else roaming wouldn't, but nice to have it confirmed.

Moon2 said:
You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't sweat it man, as long as you make sure the ROM you are flashing does not have one of those radios you are cool. The custom Win Mo ROMs mostly do not have radio included in them but just to be safe I would only flash a custom ROM from the HD2 T-Mobile Windows 6.5 development forum or a custom ROM that spacificaily says it is compatible with the TMOUS. All Android and WP7 ROMs do not have radios included so they are alll cool to flash. The only real ROMs you really have to watch are the official ROMs as they have radios included. If you flash a official stock ROM only use the one you get from the T-Mobile wibsite and you are gravy.

Moon2 said:
You've made me start worrying even before I've bought it. :'(
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Don't worry plenty of info on radios for TmoUS.
I'm currently testing radios for my device & usage. 2.12.50.02_2 is a well liked radio for most people. 2.15.50.14 was slated by a few intelligent HD2 users, haven't tested it myself yet.
This device is superb, just read the forums & post if you have concerns on flashing ect.