Database Users

is it possible to upgrade the ROM to a bigger size?

is it possible to upgrade the ROM to a bigger size, like the 48m some ipaqs have?
if so, wouldnt i be able to cook More programs into rom?
this way i wont have to reinstall everythin every time i hard reset.
anyone tried it?

Not possible as far as I know. Even if it was, the rom of the XDA is only 32 megs so it wouldn't fit anyway.

I've been thinking about it. I have access to the tools to get it done, I just need to confirm it won't cause any trouble.
My big hesitation is that I'm not a programmer so I wouldn't be able to modify a kitchen to allow me to 'overload' the ROM. If I can stick it in there, would anyone volunteer to assist me in building a .NBF to try and use it?
Rich

The best guys to check with are PocketPC techs, they've been doing RAM & ROM upgrades for PocketPC's for quite a while.
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/
Currently they only seem to offer ROM updates for the Compaq iPaq 3600 series. They do offer a RAM upgrade for the XDA to 128Mb, but that's all.
I'm guessing that as none of the more recent PocketPC models have been included in the ROM update a specific technical problem must be involved. Might pay to drop them an e-mail.
Cheers
Steve

MDAPro Just a few questions?

Forgive me for not really being able to search deeply into this matter, I've seen threads detailing updating with the JasJar ROM or an amalgamation of the the MDA/O2 ROM.
1) I have 43.72mb total storage and 47.93mb Program storage. This results in 91.65mb total storage??? Right, at 128megs where has 40mbs gone? I have pretty much the exact same set up on the MDA3 yet the two figures more or less add up to 128mb. Can someone confirm these figures with me?
2) Is there a new ROM coming out and soon? I'm not one to complain if results are going to happen, but the memory issue is a biggy to me as there is one more program I want to install on the thing and I doubt there will be enough free memory.
3) Software, I'm sure there was a better suite of software on the MDA3 when that came out. Okay time consuming it may be but sometimes I do like to run Messenger when I'm on the train - where has it gone? And if Microsoft think I'm going to pay £10.99 more for that feature they can go swivel. I followed a thread that said it's included in Windows - it's not on the MDA Pro.
I really love the design of the thing but the software just seems to be a joke. Where do I start? I have posted the MDA3 for sale on Ebay and I want to honour that sale, but I also want a device that replaces my MDA3 100%.
This includes getting TomTom 5 to work with my BT GPS receiver!!!

1. Sorry not sure about the memory
2. I havent heard of a new T-mobile ROM being available and they never seemed to work on any updates for the MDAiii
3. The software suite was better - I miss my messenger too and like you I am reluctant to pay microsoft a tenner! The backup software isnt avialbel either which is an arse.
4. Good luck with TT5 I had to upgrade my co-pilot to get it to work on new os.

If at all possible could anyone with the MDAPro and the carrier ROM please do a memory check on theirs to compare with mine?
If you're not sure how to do it - Start/Settings/System/Memory, I just need the total figures for Storage and Program

I have the same memory CONFIG as you have stated!

In WM5 you have separate ROM & RAM configuration unlike WM2k3...
So here's how ur memory is split up -
1. RAM 64MB
Out of 64 megs of RAM, you loose roughly 17MB on internal allocation. For the device to run perfectly it has various fixed RAM permanently allocated (DMA buffers (for ur cameras etc.), kernel level memory allocation, GSM memory, video memory, mem swap space, cache etc.). This total memory fixed can vary from device to device, and each company can tweak it accordingly. Eventually, the OS has roughly 47MB for use. Now again, when WM5 powers up, it again consumes around 17megs of RAM, giving you 30-32 megs of ram to use for your programs or apps!
2. ROM 128MB (permanent storage)
This is divided into the following -
a. OS install: This is where WM5 related files etc. gets stored. This is a total of 64Megs
b. Extended ROM: This is used by maufacturers to store their customizations etc. Another 20megs allocated for this
c. User storage: This is the space available for you to install programs, and for windows to bloat Thats 43megs that you find!
Hope this clears out
Cheers,
San

Thanks for you response having had an XDA for some time and then the MDA I was just quite suprised to see a Memory low warning message so quickly as I never saw one on the MDA3. I wanted to confirm that I wasn't having memory issues.

HELP! new to site and want to adjust phone

I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol

layl0ww said:
I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First things first, some things you'll need to know:
RUU: Stock Operating System (ROM)
ROM: Phone Operating System
CAB: Application Installer File
Flash: Reformat your phone with a new ROM.
SuperCID: Unlocks the device to allow flashing of non-stock and custom ROMs.
USPL: Allows you to temporary SuperCID your device to enable flashing using a Flash Center Utility in Windows. You cannot use LZX compressed ROMs, and you cannot flash ROMs requiring an SD Card.
HardSPL: Permanently (Well Almost) SuperCIDs your device to allow you to flash any ROM of any type, as long as it is a Herald/Wing ROM. You can flash using SD card, or through a Flash Center. I say it is almost permanent because it can be reversed.
Next:
I suggest you use a whole new ROM on your phone. T-Mobile's stock ROM is so bogged down with useless crap it takes forever to do anything. Plus, most custom ROMs already come with at least TouchFlo kinetic scrolling.
You are going to need to backup your Contacts, Photos, etc. You can do this manually, or you can use Microsoft MyPhone to do this automatically.
Next you are going to need to flash your device with a ROM, but first you have to find a ROM.
http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx
If you go there you can find screenshots of two ROMs I suggest you try first. JustStable is a stable ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.1. It's pretty fast, but its more of a simple kind of ROM without the flashy features. JustHome is a ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.5. It is what I am currently using. The ROM is really good and it's got a lot of flashy stuff, and it is a lot more finger friendly.
Next you need to Flash your device: I suggest you use the USPL method for flashing because it poses less danger to your device. You can find steps for USPL flashing on this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3903811&postcount=2 .
After you flash: You may find that you are missing some T-Mobile things you used before like MMS, MyFaves on homescreen, or the T-Mobile IM client.
MMS: Ivan decided not to include MMS in his ROMs because some people complained they didn't work (SMS still works though). Don't worry, you can still get MMS to work. Follow these steps on this page: http://thewingster.com/arcsoftmms.aspx
MyFaves: Don't worry about missing the MyFaves, you will still get all calls to the 5 people free if they are on your list. You can change them on your my.t-mobile.com site.
T-Mobile IM: If you have a data plan, I wouldn't suggest you use this at all. If you don't have a data plan, T-Mobile IM is one of the few applications that can use AIM through SMS, so you don't have to pay extra (assuming you have unlimited text/picture messaging).
You can find other useful Cabs on the link in my signature.

First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.

raptoro07 said:
First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And end up following a guide for another phone... Good idea, good way to brick his phone.

Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.

layl0ww said:
Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.

if you haven't flashed a rom yet you can watch 1 on youtube before you attempt it. dangerous but well worth it. i'm running 6.5 and its spectacular. i'm still learning though.

apreichner said:
If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?

layl0ww said:
So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You don't need an SD card to flash a ROM using the Flash Center tutorial I gave you, unless the ROM is LZX or a Micro ROM. You just need to backup your contacts, photos, etc. You can do this using a utility from Microsoft called MyPhone . It will backup your data to a secure place online, and then when you flash the new ROM, you'll reinstall MyPhone (Unless you use JustHome, in which case MyPhone comes with it) and it will sync all of your data back to the device. Or you can do all of this manually as well.
It really depends on what you like... If you prefer a more finger friendly flashy ROM, use JustHome. If you prefer more RAM, use JustStable. I am personally willing to sacrifice some RAM for JustHome. But to really find what you like, you have to try it out.
www.newegg.com . You can order an SDHC card, it should be supported up to 16gb now. 8gb are pretty cheap though, 20-30 dollars. Sandisk also sells a couple 8 and 16gb SDHC cards. Although Kingston might be cheaper.
If you need any further help, please feel free to PM me with any questions you have. I check the forum pretty often, so I'll get back to you pretty quickly.

What is the least amount of Free program memory for a still normal operation on 614c?

I still have 42 mb of free program memory (70 mb used) yet i can only start one application at a time before the app closes by itself if i start another program.
I have asked this memory problem question before but have got no reply. Never mind i will ask this question another million times if i have to to get some explanation. Hopefully somebody whose had similar problem and got it fixed can help.
I have even disabled, in my opinion, those useless startup items like ssactivate, addsignature, addaccount, mmisyncapp, vcdaemon.
Is there anybody here who understand programming specifically for Ipaq 612/614 devices regarding the least amount of memory required before the device starts acting up?

well in WinMo there is a limitation with the vm (slot) such that depends on the rom design can cause even you still have free ram but there is no vm space to allocate, see here for detail .
What rom are you using? I think even the stock rom wouldn't do that..may also relate to apps you are using

thanx for your response.
My os is version 6.1 (build 20757.1.4.0)
I will give the article a read. So I guess i have to upgrade 6.5? And if i do upgrade, would it be o.k. to restore 6.1 backup to 6.5?
thanks again

6.5 does not make it better unless we have a native nk.
Are you using the 6.1 rom made by russian? I suggust you try rom from sergiorus if you like 6.1.

delete..double post

Keyx,
The rom i'm currently using is made by Yegv001.
The article is not written in "english", but I guess our device 61x is not a native NK am i right?
Looking for Sergorius now.

well i guess that article i link to is probably too technical..
anyway in normal use you shouldn't encounter such problem..do you use a task manager? winMo has a limitation of 32 process so if you never close app you may run into the problem if you really open a lot of programs. Check your task manager -> view -> process to see how many process you are running

Hi,
Only newer devices have Native Kernel (NK) and not Ipaq 61x?
and
If i have to start reinstalling everything again from zero, which would you recommend me using, 6.1 or 6.5?
and
I don't get it, why do manufacturers keep giving us larger and larger memory if we can only use 32 processes? I used to have a device with only 32Mb or ram and can only run a few applications and wished i could have larger RAM. Now that I have a device with a bigger ram, I'm limited by the number of processes allowed!
and one more shameless question...
IS THERE A WAY OF REMOVING THE 32 APPLICATION LIMIT??? (sorry the caps)
Yes i have 32 processes running, but i need them all...

heeelllppp

sabertooth said:
Hi,
Only newer devices have Native Kernel (NK) and not Ipaq 61x?
and
If i have to start reinstalling everything again from zero, which would you recommend me using, 6.1 or 6.5?
and
I don't get it, why do manufacturers keep giving us larger and larger memory if we can only use 32 processes? I used to have a device with only 32Mb or ram and can only run a few applications and wished i could have larger RAM. Now that I have a device with a bigger ram, I'm limited by the number of processes allowed!
and one more shameless question...
IS THERE A WAY OF REMOVING THE 32 APPLICATION LIMIT??? (sorry the caps)
Yes i have 32 processes running, but i need them all...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well your problem is due to 32 process limit of WinMo(or technically is the underlying limit of WinCE 5.x) so it is not relate to the vm(slot) problem. We probably never get native 6.5 nk.exe for 61x since hp is not planning to upgrade it to 6.5 but that is a different issue
If you ever going to reinstall I would say choose whatever suit you the best. 6.1 is pretty stable while 6.5 give you some ui changes but that would depend whether you like the change or not.
WinCE 6 remove the 32 process limit but WinMo 6.x is still base on WinCe 5.x. WinMo 7 will be based on WinCE 6.x but until then we are struck with the 32 process limit.
so for now you would better off use a task manager to close some programs

thanks so much for your help keyx
I will now search for a program that can automatically close services that are no longer required which are still running in the background. Or can do so at a press of a button.

Upgrade ancient WM2003 Device

Hi,
I have an old WM2003SE Navigator (Typhoon MyGuide 6500XL) lying around, it's not in the Device DB but the MyGuide 3500XL is. It looks identical, has the same specs and the same Intel PXA255 processor as mine.
There is almost no software for 2003 left and after getting used to my HTC Touch2 (Mega) the touch experience is awful.
I was wondering if it was possible to upgrade this nearly-no-brand ancient PDA/GPS to a newer Windows Mobile ROM. All I have is the device, so I guess I can dump the old ROM from that.
I know most of you are thinking 'throw it a way and buy something decent' but at the time (my dad) bought it it had the price of an iPhone now :/ It seems so stupid to throw it away...
I'm a real noob at ROM Cooking and I don't even know if this is possible at all, but if it is, could someone please help me?
Thank you in advance,
MrJSO

I doubt you'll be able to do it, but search around and see if there are any rom upgrades out there from the oem; that would be the best place to start. And search and see if there are any custom roms or kitchens (I doubt it).
I have an asus mypal a716. I've looked around for custom roms for it, and basically all you find are the random post from someone looking for a custom rom for it, lol. Asus pretty much stopped supporting it the second they released it, so there aren't any official roms out there. I've tried dumping the rom with 0 success, and I've read posts from others who also had 0 success. I tried grab it, and all it dumps is the bootloader. I don't have a clue how to convert one of those dumps into a flashable rom, anyway. The thread is basically full of other posters asking how to create a rom from the dump, with no answers. I think some people know how to do it, but they never respond in that thread, lol. Anyway, grab_it would be the second thing to try, I guess.
The closest thing that exists to a custom rom for the mypal is a linux port (at least as far as I can tell). It's over at handhelds.org. There may be a similar option for you. It requires you to flash a patched bootloader, so you can dual boot winmo or linux of the sd card. I've never done it before.
WM2003 devices are so different from WM5 and later (because of the storage model), that I think the odds of you not bricking your pda with any custom WM5 or later rom are pretty low. A more realistic goal may be to cook 2003SE roms. Anyway, I find that plenty of useful apps work on the mypal. Hell, it's far better for games than my fuze. I use it mostly to stream music over wi-fi (it's hooked up to a small set of speakers).
Edit: LMAO! This thread is the 4th hit on google for "asus mypal a716" "custom rom".

Thank you very much
I just discovered that Typhoon just put the logo on to sell though discounter markets... It's actually the same device as the Mio 168. It seems that there is a lot more feedback from people about that device available...
Still, if you say putting newer WM on it isn't going to work anyways, I guess I should stop my search then?
The problem is that all newer apps don't support wm2003 anymore Also wm2003 is just forcing you to use that stylus - I wish I didn't have to
Also, Am I right that there is really no way to make newer WM run on it by taking drivers from the old ROM and adding them to a default WM5 or higher ROM?

I guess you must forget to have any WM 6.5 in your phone because the specs tell you:
RAM 64 Mb (54 mb accessible)
ROM 32 Mb
Maybe a WM 6.1 or 5.0 but as FT said i doubt that you will find all the tools.
I have a HTC Bali (Fujitsu Pocket Loox 720) and was never able to find ,at least, a method to put a WM 5.0 in it lol.

The problem is that 2003 devices have small rom storage; they use ram for storage, and I'm not sure how you would upgrade them to WM5 or later which have persistant storage (you'd need a native kernel and drivers and all that crap). I'm sure some devices got official upgrades from 2003 to WM5, but I think it would be tough to figure out on your own. You might be able to cook a custom 2003SE rom, though, which would be kind of cool.