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Browsing LAN from PPC

Is it possible to browse my LAN from my XDAII using only my USB cradle? I'm using Resco Explorer. I tried this:
1. Select My Network root directory
2. Selected Map Drive... from the Advanced Toolbar
... to no avail.

Open up internet explorer. Put in the address bar the following \\"computer name or IP of computer" then click on the little go button and waa laa it will work. The go button doesn't say go, but in essence it is the same it is to the right of the address bar.
Mike

As far as I was aware it's not possible to browse network files from an XDA2 unless you use an SDIO wi-fi card, and sure enough I can't get Mikee's suggestion to work. If I type into IE's address bar '\\192.168.1.100' and click Go, that gets replaced with 'file//\\192.168.1.100\' (almost like it's trying to connect for me) but then immediately I get a 'Network path cannot be found' error.
Pity, cos it'd be great to be able to do this. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, Mikee?

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

strange , im using the XDA2s and my wifi settings are set to see internet , but in file explore or rosco file explorer they both see my lan fine in file exlore all i doo is click on the netfolder ickon at the bottom and then enter \\ (then the computer name) eg \\bedroompc this works both for my work network and home
henny

Firstly, my apologies for the double post above. I only pushed the submit button once, honest!
I was actually describing the "standard" way that all of O2's XDA's get setup when they are first turned on from new and that means that usually, under "Connections", "Select Networks" then "Network Management", you will normally see "My ISP" in the top box for progs that automatically connect to the Internet and "My Work Network" in the lower box for progs that automatically connect to a private network and this is where the problem lays.
In hindsight, I wasn't particularly helpful to Tetragrammaton since I didn't provide the actual solution he was looking for simply because I got too wrapped up in bashing the PPC's network client (or lack of a full one anyway...)
The solution is of course to simply make the bottom box equal to the top box (i.e. "My ISP") and immediately this will change the behaviour to that as you so correctly described (being able to connect to the Internet and to a Local LAN machine simultaneously) and will obviate the need to swap the destination of the Network Card settings themselves (which only gives one way connectivity with Wireless anyway).
I'm guessing that your machine is set this way Henny? Which of course will work as you describe.
The only caveat to doing this is that you disable the O2 WAP settings (which are normally configured under the "My Work Network" part) but whether this is a great loss is a moot point. In any case, the lower box in "Network Management" can always be switched back temporarily should you need the WAP settings back.
I hope this has now helped Tetragrammaton to get up and running...

I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...

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I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I would be too.. anyways, thanks a lot y'all for the info.

CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi

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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.

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CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.
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In that case I'm confused . Sorry. If it doesn't work in the cradle, but you're not talking about doing it through a wi-fi connection, what does your solution actually do? Apologies if I'm being a bit thick here - I'm ill with the 'flu.
I'm nervous about starting to mess about with the connections settings on my XDA2 just so that I can browse files on the network - every time I do this I end up screwing them up. I don't understand them at all and usually a hard reset with the auto-config is the only way to get it all working again. :roll:

I'll do a synopsis of this thread so far this evening. Bit tied up at work at the moment. Hope that's ok...

This has been covered many many times. It is impossible as currently set up. The best way to achieve this is to buy Pocket LAN, it works perfectly

I've had a quick look at that but that would be for just Wireless LAN connectivity, right? ...and as has already been pointed out to me (correctly), the original question was not about wireless.

NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.

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NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.
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I've googled "Pocket LAN" and came up with a bunch of hits though none of them seem to be the right hit. If Pocket LAN seems to do the trick of accessing a network via the USB cradle only, could you post the link to Pocket LAN? Thanks!

http://www.pocketlance.com/register/index.shtml it says for ce or 2002 but works on 2003 and 2003se.
Hope this helps

You can find it (PocketLAN) here...
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=2825
Contrary to what Barney found, it didn't work at all for my XDAIIi in the cradle. The usual "network path not found" was all it could muster...
Even wirelessly I found it cumbersome and a bit iffy at connecting to machines at times. It does no more than Resco Explorers built-in network stuff. It also seeks to start messing with the device name etc and generally "muscle-in" and take over... Resco Exp does it without fuss, quietly and efficiently. More importantly, it works everytime but I'm afraid even it can't manage to connect to LAN machines through the cradle and AS.
Sorry about no (promised) post last night. Just didn't get the time. I'll try again for later today.

http://www.pocketlance.com/ try this link as well you can get a trial download

Can I listen to My music through WiFi

Oh wise ones can you help
I have conected my M1000 to my Wifi network and can surf the net ( connect to internet in network card settings)
and i can Active Sync using Wifi as well ( connect to work in network card settings)
But is there anyway i can listen to my tunes in my shared music folder through wifi like i do with my laptop?
just a thought headphones in while washing the car etc
Thanks In advance

yes.. well maybe.
what you will need is a media player for pocket pc supporting streaming.
basically what you can do is set up a media streaming server
(look at a piece of software called vlc...its a media player for pc's)
then you just need to stream your songs from the pc to the client media player on the pda and you could use the webfrontend from your pda to set up the playlist.
if theres a ppc media player supporting streaming (i've never looked) its actually quite simple and quite nice.

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Oh wise ones can you help
I have conected my M1000 to my Wifi network and can surf the net ( connect to internet in network card settings)
and i can Active Sync using Wifi as well ( connect to work in network card settings)
But is there anyway i can listen to my tunes in my shared music folder through wifi like i do with my laptop?
just a thought headphones in while washing the car etc
Thanks In advance
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could tell mE how to;
"surf the net ( connect to internet in network card settings)
and i can Active Sync using Wifi as well ( connect to work in network card settings)"
using my sdio wifi connection PLEEEEEEASE

heh as i stated above go look at VLC http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
this will be the server that you stick on your pc..theres a great howto on vlc over at engadget http://engadget.com/2005/11/29/how-to-stream-almost-anything-using-vlc/.
then you need a media player on your ppc to stream to. now i happened to notice theres an experimental vlc for ppc which would do nicely..but you can do a google and find a ppc media player...as long as it supports streams your good to go.
i've not actually tried this myself but i know it'll work.
enjoy!

if I plug my xda into the cradle, I can surf the Internet etc. But even though I have installed the drivers, and the utility for my SDIO CARD, and the utility tells me I am connected to my router, I cannot surf the Internet when disconnected from the cradle.
When I go start menu/settings/connections/advanced/network and I can see and configure my connection.
my network connection name is correct.
when I go into "connects to: (i chose) the Internet"(the other option was "work").
In in " select networks" by port;
programs automatically connect to the Internet should connect using "my work network".
Programs automatically connect to a private network should connect using "my work network".

oh so your issue is you can't get the internet on your phone via wireless.... would have been better if you had made that clear and also created a new topic to ask the question
first thing to do i think would be select the work network... rather than the internet...next is to check its being assigned the routers ip for a gateway
then should work

thanks.
Because my system is new, I actually did a hard restart, then reinstalled the drivers and the utility for the SDIO. As soon as I plugged in the card my router network was named, I selected it and chose work instead of Internet as you suggested. This would not work on the Internet. the xda told me I need to set up the proxy server, which I didn't know how to do,So then I went back into the settings and connections advanced as I said above, and changed it from work to the Internet. I can now connect to the Internet when I'm not connected to my cradle.I haven't done anything in the "tasks" section of my connections, I've only worked in the "advanced" section.
I raised the router firewall and it still worked. I now want to try putting in the WEP encryption, can you tell me where I do that?
now to do an ActiveSync as the guy described above I will have to go through the router IP address, to my desktop computer which is connected through a LAN connection. I just turned on the printer and filesharing in my network setup. And at the Norton Internet Security has recognised the change, and made adjustments. How do I now go about setting up a ActiveSync?
Thanks for all this help, I appreciate it.

right wep im afraid i've forgotten my sdio wireless cards bust.. activesync is a nice easy one tho
under the advanced settings of the card there will be a place where you can put in a WINS server ip in there put the ip address of the pc you want to sync with. then run activesync from your xda and it should work.
you may need to enable sync over network in activesync on your pc first however

I'm sorry to be a dummy mate, do you mean start/settings/connections/advanced/network card, for the advanced settings for the card?if so I cannot find the WINS setting etc.
By the way, I have found if you go through the root above, click on your connection you are connected to, you can put the network key in there.

start/settings/connections/advanced/network cards/select your wifi/name servers

I don´t know why everybody talks abaut music over wifi installing a music streaming software, I think that it´s not really necesary.
For example, at home, I´ve got 4 pcs included in my wifi network. And all of them have a hard disk drive added to the shared drives of the wlan, so I can get access to every one of them. If you just go to resco explorer, share those drives of the network, and try to open mp3 files of those drives, you will be opening mp3 files from another pc with your ppc´s media reproducer...
If there´s not a lot of traffic in the network, you will hear the mp3 files without any problems, but it there is, you will hear the music well, but with a little bit of "chskcs" (I mean that it sounds something like: ckshksd when I´m hearing the mp3 file) every 5 seconds more or less..
This is the same for divx films. But here, the trouble of "chsks" is bigger...
73´s

yeah i've never really bothered i just use pc and turn it up loud...the problem arises when you have a number of computers all playing mp3's from the same location...goodbye bandwidth, hello to skippy noise.
with a streaming server the network traffic is reduced which i suppose is a small benifit...also it means you can do it not only on the network but access it over the internet aswell...which for some ppl is probably a good reason. hell why buy an ipod if you have inet access to an 80gig mp3 collection anyway (aside from when you cant get an inet connection :wink: )

Wop... You have turn it on my lamp, and now I´ve got the key to stop the boring study evenings at the library...
The problem is that I prefer to listen music of my 1giga sd card, to be connected to the university wlan and listening from my streaming, cause my wifi card "kills" the battery of my XDA II in... I don´t know, but maybe 3 hours of continued use, whereas listenin music of the sd card consume much less... But it´s a great thing the streaming server...
Thanks 4 all

yeah i know what you mean about the wifi killing the battery. i ended up getting the backpack for my xda2..still found battery power wasn't enough so i keep my charger with me as well

How many time could you increase with the batery pack?
I have seen it in expansys.com (or a net shop lite that) and it costs abaut 115 euros. The pack comes with a TV adapter, to watch your xda II screen on the tv, and the battery.
73´s

i think the backpack battery is about half that of the internal so if your internal lasts say 3 hours on its own with the backpack it lasts 4 1/2 - 5 ish i think was my rough increase..cannot really remember as my wlan card is bust and i havent used the backpack since

Stream via WiFi to PPC?

I managed to setup a wireless network through WiFi to my TyTN. I am able to grab files from my pc and transfer to my PPC. However, if I go to view a video clip from the network drive, it won't work. So I'd have to transfer over to my device and then view.
Is there a way to stream it from my network drive so I don't have to transfer over everytime?
Please and thanks.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313831&highlight=stream
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288857&highlight=stream
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311533&highlight=stream
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310702&highlight=stream
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=311245&highlight=stream+video

Thanks. That 2nd last link was the answer... kinda.
I've managed to get ORB up and going. Pretty cool program actually.
Cheers.

Youtube problem on X1

I have a slight problem with youtube: It plays fine over Wifi but NOT over the data connection. It loads the Streaming Media app, displays 'connecting' then buffering and then an error: 'No audio frames found'
If I enable Wifi it works just fine. The data connection works well for everything else, it's not using a proxy and it's set to conenct to the internet. It also seems to download the data as my GPRS data counter is showing a few MB's downloaded.....yet nothing played.
Has anyone seen this before?
TIA

No One? We'll I'll try a hard reset then....

I never had such a problem...

Well....after a hard reset and some testing I found that it seems to work on one AP but not the other. Strangely enough, the Streaming Media player uses the conenction I set up for it but unless both Internet and Private connections (under Settings/Connections) are also configured to use it it still does not work right. Using Internet sharing from the phone it works with either access point.....however that would make any sense..... I assume the mobile youtube page must use a different protocol for streaming than the page I get to se on the laptop. Anyway, I'm on Telstra....maybe on other networks you don't get these kinds of headaches ;-)
Cheers

G1 mounting NAS?

Is it possible to mount a NAS running linux (Buffalo Linkstation Live, 2nd generation, opened stock firmware) on the G1 (JF modded RC9)?
The devices are connected to the same subnetwork.
Or is there any other way to access the files on the disk?
Thanks a lot!
Micha

have you tried ftp method ?

Thanks, Blufade - FTP works fine, but I want to stream mp3s and video from the NAS.
I thought there would be a way to 'mount' the disk just as the sd-card is 'mounted'.

try "Estrongs file manager" .....it has this feature to add servers.....maybe it'll help
also try "discover file manger"

'Estrongs file manager' works great, except for the speed. Data Access is quite slow - but that could be a wifi problem. I just have one of five signal bars, although the access point is just 2 meters away. Do you have any idea how the signal strength can be improved?
Thanks again!
Micha

go to settings > wifi settings and select the your wifi network from the network list, you'll get to know the signal strength from there....