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Anybody get VOIP working on the WM6 Herald yet? I've read the entire thread over on the Hermes forum and installed both WM6VoiP.CAB and SipConfig on my Wing. I've gotten the internet connection on Today and have been able to try and dial out but no ring just 15 seconds of silence. I uninstalled and installed VM VI Black VOIP & Config.Cab with the same outcome.
I got it to work, but it worked like Crap. Never messed with it much since . . .
haven't you heard?
http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=53378 [\url]
T-Mobile Marries Wi-Fi to Cell Phones
Yep, heard about that. I've only got it working with Fring which blew. Hopefully the "legal" version from t-mobile will be good. Since I pay for their service anyway.
Woops.. Looks like [email protected] may not work. Only for UMA phones which Herald isn't or so they so.
Isn't UMA (the actual handling of switching calls from WiFi to GSM) all in the software. So shouldn't they be able to come out with an update that will allow the wing to work on [email protected]? Is this possible or is there some hardware required that I don't know about to run UMA?
It's software, but not in the "just install and go" sense. The switching is handled at a low level in the radio to keep it seamless. Unless you have access to the sources it's not going to be easy to hack the GSM stack to support UMA.
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It's software, but not in the "just install and go" sense. The switching is handled at a low level in the radio to keep it seamless. Unless you have access to the sources it's not going to be easy to hack the GSM stack to support UMA.
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That's what i was thinking, it would likely be a full update to the phone, sorta like when I updated my Dash from WM5 to WM6
Check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315654 for a FULL review of Fring.
Yesterday (30 rd) Paul Ghent from HTC Europe run a conference in Madrid at the Movistar's MovilForum and by the end of the presentation I asked him directly if the HTC Shift could be used to answer a phone call.
Answer... NO WAY.
Due to the size of the Shift they consider not useful the voice over GSM. Anyway the model that will be available in Spain (mid-Feb) will have GSM/GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA for data. So you need to insert a SIM card on it. But NO VOICE.
They mention that the Shift will be delivered in a special price by Movistar... I assume SIM-locked.
Has no GPS and comes with Vista. The information about Shift running WM5 (or WM6) is not true. Maybe the problem is the stand-by mode the Shift has called SnapVUE which is very similar to the Today screens used by HTC in the Touch series PDAs... but is not WM5 as far as HTC said in the Madrid's meeting.
More info... in spanish I must say at www.todoumpc.com
A video with Paul Ghent speech in english will be uploaded in a few days at www.todoumpc.com including my question about the voice capabilities.
i think they are making two versions the first one will come out in march with no voice then later they will have one with voice.
i dont know for sure but what i been told for a while now and posted is that htc were deciding on gps and voice. lately from what i seen they decided to disable both. dont worry though if needed we can mod it to get both back on there. also then we will unhide the full wm6. wow htc is starting to annoy me lately with all the crippling and hidding of features. oh well atleast it gives me something to do
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i dont know for sure but what i been told for a while now and posted is that htc were deciding on gps and voice. lately from what i seen they decided to disable both. dont worry though if needed we can mod it to get both back on there. also then we will unhide the full wm6. wow htc is starting to annoy me lately with all the crippling and hidding of features. oh well atleast it gives me something to do
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im right there with you, it is annoying me too i agree about the voice, that should be somthing that can be fixed
My guess is that since there is Qualcomm chipset inside the Shift and that chipset comes with GPSOne like our Athena the possibility is there. The only question is if they installed an GPS antenna or not. If the chip is there but no antenna even activating the facility the GPS will be unusable.
Im interested to know this.. I have the G1 and I love it. I actually had to give up my Diamond for the G1. So now my question is this how many devices do you now use?? Ive used windows mobile for years now and even though I want to see Android blow WM out of the water I still have to rely on wm for certain on the go things. Even though my G1 is my primary phone I also have a second work phone which is just a samsung and for entertainment I bought a Ipod Touch a few months ago. My Tilt still ends up in my messenger now though when I have to do WM document editing and tethering on the go. Anybody else finding they have to do this. I know its only matter of time before I can use the G1 for everything but I was interested to see if anyone else is toting around multiple devices.
I'm selling my old wm device. No reason to carry the extra bulk. The only reason I'd keep it would be for some better games and junk I'd never use. My G1 is just so much cleaner and does everything I need it to.
Holy cow, how many devices do you carry around?
Yeah but what about using wifi router and office applications like excel and word and what not. I know eventually software will be available but what are you doing for the time being.. And the google document viewer is crappy and buggy so dont even mention it
Currently On a day to day basis i carry
Sony 8.1 digicam
Jabra Bt 8040
Ipod Touch 16gb
Helio Mysto
Tmobile G1
and occasionally my tilt htc kaiser
I haven't even looked at my Wing since I got my g1. I might be selling it soon...
I use dash for internet sharing and games till internet sharing comes out for g1, primary phone is g1. Nrg came out with new rom and linux is available for dash now so i'm gonna check out both.
One reason only so far...
Just to tether... but even then, I am managing to surf WIFI most of the time so thinking about turfing the good ole MDA...
--M
I'm a geek and have my workout log in excel, so I have my wing with me at the gym, but that's it. Otherwise I don't need the Wing.
My Diamond is currently up for sale and I am carrying my iPhone 3G, G1, and my Blackjack 2 for work.
I just got rid of my Touch. I'm a huger advocate of having only one device for everything. It's seems a bit counter productive to walk around with three devices which all basically can do the same thing.
I mainly used my Touch for web, phone, messaging, and video/mp3. The G1 seems to be holding its own so far, but I had to convert video file to mp4. I'm hoping someone will release their own mp3 app for the G1 as well since I'd like to have mroe options there.
I have been a long time WM owner and have had almost every HTC device and manage atleast 15 in my company. I have dumped my Touch Dual and WM for now.
These are two completely different devices. WM is a device designed around productivity but has too many issues and is not a good gaming or media device. If you want Outlook to sync and connect with server platform support and security than stick with WM. The Android is more of a communication and socialization device with an easy polished User Interface. You can sync some Outlook components and use MS Exchange but they are work around apps and not natively supported so there are problems to be expected. This device was clearly not designed for Outlook so it shouldnt be expected to work great with it. But if you are smart and you rely on this, you can make it happen or find another app to suite your needs.
The Android OS handles memory so well and can take a faulty application without locking the device completely. I personally havn't locked my device to the point of reseting, I have crashed apps and have had the OS hang for a sec but it recovers quickly. Not saying it can't happen but having owned so many WM devices, I have not had one that I didn't have to soft reset every couple of days to get back perfomance or dodge issues.
HTC does a fantastic job creating UI shells for the Windows Mobile but it does not compare to the speed and styling of the Android platform. Touch Flo enviroments are a great jump in the right direction but it is masking an interface not designed for non stylus use.
There was some adjusting at first but I feel MS had been pushing me to use their conformed applications. I found away to do everything I need my G1 to do, but I did take some work arounds to get there. I am happy and maybe one day will go back to WM, but for now sticking with the G1. To me its finally a device that can compare to the iphone in alot of respects. Windows is a more powerful device just less gracefull and lacking the polished UI.
Android ≠ Windows Mobile ≠ iphone
They are all different devices for different people.
Jcostanza4
so then you only carry a g1 now
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so then you only carry a g1 now
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Yes.
Jcostanza4
I'm still having to carry around my HERALD along with the G1. To be honest for over half the things I have to do on a day to day basis the G1 just will not cut it. Great device for a power mobile but still not developed enough for the cross platform integration I need.
Wow, you guys are seriously hardcore cell phone users. I use my phone for text messaging and browsing the internet. I cannot even imagine any time when I would want to edit an Excel spreadsheet on my phone. I'm a software developer so my work doesn't require me to carry an exchange compatible device since there's no reason for me to be on call when I'm away from my desk.
I carry my G1 on me at all times, and I have an old black and white iPod at my desk at work for listening to music while I'm coding so I don't drain my phone's battery. That's pretty much it. I do have a T-Mobile Dash, but I keep it around just to play with it at home, I don't do anything productive with it and it doesn't have a SIM card.
sadly....I still use my Wing along with G1. I need the wing to tether my laptop during those boring lecture so I can at least look at those skimpy jailbait posing with their sexy bikinis to prevent me from falling asleep
second, I need the wing at my clinical lab rotation to look up medications, dosage, and side effects because there's no built-in drug guide for G1 yet (I could use the internet to access some site that do the same thing, but I don't wanna do it because it drains the living battery out of my G1). beside the hospital that i'm doing my rotation doesn't get covered by 3G so pulling data from online site can be pretty painful at times.
once someone put a tethering app on G1, drug guide app, and improved 3G network is happening, then I will completely ditch my Wing.
But then, rumors started about G1 source code being release soon, so I might keep the Wing to see if android will run on it. it would be double the fun.
I'm still holding onto my Wing, although it stays at home and doesn't follow me on the street. I do use it a bit here at home for what my G1 lacks.
With lack of screenshot ability, I need it to shoot screen of the G1 (which are horrible now that I've been spoiled by the G1's autofocus)
>> android screenshot app needed
Keep the WinMo of course for video recording, and being able to send an mms with image / audio / text.
>> more android mms options needed
Now when I'm not at home, I'd like to have the Wing around for things that android cannot yet do:
1. d/l and open pdf files - as well as d/l of other unsupported filetypes.
2. stream audio so I can listen to online radio - stereo bluetooth goes hand in hand with this
3. playin' some dragon warrior or simcity - someone get an emulator up!
(and since the Skyfire browser is on my wing: FLASH!!! - c'mon adobe, hurry up with the webkit version already)
I know this probably sounds dumb and i probably know the answer myself but what u mean when u say shoot screenshots?
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what u mean when u say shoot screenshots?
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Saving whatever is onscreen as an image file which you can then mms.
Is really handy to tell someone longdistance what you pulled up from your weather app; even better for sharing web pages since a lot of folks just wont click given links but will read what is showing in image.
Hi all,
I recently got hold of a Touch 3G for a friend, and he is having a few issues with the Unique / UMA connectivity (surprise).
My question, do any of the other Touch 3G ROMS out there (like the vanilla HTC one) have the UMA / Unique feature? or would we lose that function with a reflash?
Anyone out there done such a thing, there seems to be little info about UMA / Unique anywhere, I am surprised.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
there is little info on the unique stuff because it's fairly pointless and not very well done by orange.
I reflashed mine to a custom rom to get rid of all the orange customizations like that
Unique seemed a little pointless to me. I flashed to a normal HTC WWE ROM and was done with it. Obviously I still have wifi etc, and really, unique seemed pointless. In order to get the phone and not pay a fortune for it, you needed to get an expensive contract with lots of minutes anyway so you might as well use them.
Thanks for the responses
... but the reason for using Unique is NO cellphone signal at home, or in fact for a large region of the local area (you would not think we lived in the South East of England would you.)
So I take it that there is no UMA functionality in any of the better alternative ROMs for the Touch 3G/Jade, pity.
I know that there are a number of other threads on the subject, but any other thoughts on how to get the best out of it rather than abandon it altogether???
Cheers
MS
I would imagine that the unique part is just a few apps, I don't see a reason why one of the developers couldn't pull it out for you. and then you would just install the app on a cutom rom.
I don't know if this would work but i see no reason why it shouldn't it's just a matter of getting the right apps, in fact you could do it yourself.
if you look at the kitchen i think it tells you have to download you current rom and extract it, then find the right apps and try to install a custom rom and then install the apps.
it might work and you could alwasy go back if it doesn't.
I think i would keep the unique stuff on the phone if it wasn't for that fact that it makes the wifi so hard to use.
UMA on T-Mobile
Anyone figured out how to do UMA on T-Mobile?
Hi all,
I work in a company who have just dished out over 100 HD2 phones to their staff... we're on call and are having some problems with the handsets missing calls and dropping calls mid-call, and I just want to know if we're alone in this, or if it's a common problem, or better, if anyone knows of a solution!
We use Orange (UK) as our carrier, the phones are NOT orange branded....
When we get a missed call, we can be in an area with good coverage (3G or otherwise, it doesn't seem to matter). The person calling us gets a ringing tone as normal, but the phone doesn't seem to do anything (ie, no indication that it's getting a call coming in). Once the caller has given up (or been directed to answerphone) we do seem to get a message telling us that we've had a missed call, but this is a text message, not a windows mobile message, and can be upto 4 hours later!
We've also had situations where an HD2 has rung and we've picked it up after one ring to be informed that the caller was about to hang up as it'd been ringing at their end for over a minute!
The other issue we have is with the phones dropping calls mid-call both when taking or making a call... The phone handset shows good signal even when it drops the call... At first we thought it was people touching the hangup button on the screen with their cheek, but I've now witnessed the phones do this when held away from the caller's face and even when it's been on speaker phone waaaaayyyyy away from anything that could touch the screen or buttons...
Oh, and we're running software version 1.66.405.2 on all of the phones, and it appears that the problems are occurring on many (if not all) of the phones... They're all running BsB Tweaks and have all been setup in exactly the same way...
Anybody got any ideas? They seem to be a lovely device for everything else, it just seems that the actual telephone side seems a bit flakey...
lol... every problem you just described was happening to our company when we were using the Orange network in the UK.
We left Orange exactly one year ago after almost going legal with them due to their extremely shoddy service plus underhand and downright illegal activities with our account.
To cut a long story short...
When we took out our contract we bought every line as sim only and Orange gave us a hardware fund to buy our handsets as and when we needed them.
Turns out though... every time we bought an offline handset they were putting it through as an upgrade! This obviously increased the length of contract for the each connection in every purchase. The very definition of an upgrade in Orange's own terms of service (at that time, they may have changed it now) did NOT include buying a handset for a SIM only connection.
On top of this we had the exact same network/service problems you describe with ALL of our handsets (including the non winmo ones), plus many other other issues with their network/service.... missed calls not actually ringing the device.... text messages delivered late and voicemail notifications sometimes up to 6 days late. Dont even get me started on the dropped calls.
When it came down to the month we were supposed to be out of contract Orange told us that we were still in contract and we owed them £70,000 plus the full price of all of our handsets if we wanted to leave!!!!
Well... we told them they were talking rubbish and after a lengthy process going back and fourth with their legal department they eventually admitted defeat. They didnt have a leg to stand on really so Orange didnt get a penny and we kept all of our hardware.
Apologies for the lengthy post there i was trying to keep it short and keep my post in context. What i am trying to say is...
In my opinion your issues are more than likely down to the Orange network then anything else... but they will REFUSE to admit a problem. They also will not support your handset if you didnt buy it directly from them.
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Hi all,
I work in a company who have just dished out over 100 HD2 phones to their staff... we're on call and are having some problems with the handsets missing calls and dropping calls mid-call, and I just want to know if we're alone in this, or if it's a common problem, or better, if anyone knows of a solution!
We use Orange (UK) as our carrier, the phones are NOT orange branded....
When we get a missed call, we can be in an area with good coverage (3G or otherwise, it doesn't seem to matter). The person calling us gets a ringing tone as normal, but the phone doesn't seem to do anything (ie, no indication that it's getting a call coming in). Once the caller has given up (or been directed to answerphone) we do seem to get a message telling us that we've had a missed call, but this is a text message, not a windows mobile message, and can be upto 4 hours later!
We've also had situations where an HD2 has rung and we've picked it up after one ring to be informed that the caller was about to hang up as it'd been ringing at their end for over a minute!
The other issue we have is with the phones dropping calls mid-call both when taking or making a call... The phone handset shows good signal even when it drops the call... At first we thought it was people touching the hangup button on the screen with their cheek, but I've now witnessed the phones do this when held away from the caller's face and even when it's been on speaker phone waaaaayyyyy away from anything that could touch the screen or buttons...
Oh, and we're running software version 1.66.405.2 on all of the phones, and it appears that the problems are occurring on many (if not all) of the phones... They're all running BsB Tweaks and have all been setup in exactly the same way...
Anybody got any ideas? They seem to be a lovely device for everything else, it just seems that the actual telephone side seems a bit flakey...
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Having the exact same problem here so it can't be a carrier problem. This issue goes hand in hand with the switching of bands problem reported in another thread. The only solution as of right now seems to be turning off 3G network-capabilities completely until we get a radio that functions as it should. Would you mind contacting HTC? I think that a company threatening to sell their devices due to bad support on their part might make them do something about it. Us regular consumers they just ignore.
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Having the exact same problem here so it can't be a carrier problem. This issue goes hand in hand with the switching of bands problem reported in another thread. The only solution as of right now seems to be turning off 3G network-capabilities completely until we get a radio that functions as it should. Would you mind contacting HTC? I think that a company threatening to sell their devices due to bad support on their part might make them do something about it. Us regular consumers they just ignore.
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imo... its definately a network issue....Which carrier are you using?
i have HD2's on Vodafone and T-Mobile (both UK) and do not have any of the issues i had previously with Orange (didnt have HD2's at that time though so maybe its just unbranded HD2's on Orange?)
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imo... its definately a network issue....Which carrier are you using?
i have HD2's on Vodafone and T-Mobile (both UK) and do not have any of the issues i had previously with Orange (didnt have HD2's at that time though so maybe its just unbranded HD2's on Orange?)
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The same carrier I used on my Touch HD and had no problems with(Saunalahti). Going to try the new 2.09 radio and see if that solves my issues.
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The same carrier I used on my Touch HD and had no problems with(Saunalahti). Going to try the new 2.09 radio and see if that solves my issues.
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Which country?
It would be helpful to actually post some details!
Like i said above... it could be the HD2 on your particular network that has an issue.
I really dont think its a handset problem as if it was literally everyone with an HD2 would be going legal!
Ive been using HD2's since Novemeber 2009 and havent encountered any of the problems described in this thread.
Audio Oblivion said:
Which country?
It would be helpful to actually post some details!
Like i said above... it could be the HD2 on your particular network that has an issue.
I really dont think its a handset problem as if it was literally everyone with and HD2 would be going legal!
Ive been using HD2's since Novemeber 2009 and havent encountered any of the problems described in this thread.
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My HD2 is switching networks and dropping calls whenever it feels like it. Currently using HSDPA only with GSM + UMTS. I'm guessing my problem is more related to the switching of bands than anything else. Why it would loose its connection from one second to the next is beyond me, but this is a known problem.
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My HD2 is switching networks and dropping calls whenever it feels like it. Currently using HSDPA only with GSM + UMTS. I'm guessing my problem is more related to the switching of bands than anything else. Why it would loose its connection from one second to the next is beyond me, but this is a known problem.
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Thats a slightly different issue to the OP. Your problem does indeed sound like it is down to band switching. There are a few threads on these forums about this as you already know.
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Thats a slightly different issue to the OP. Your problem does indeed sound like it is down to band switching. There are a few threads on these forums about this as you already know.
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I know, but I think the underlying problem is still the same - I've had plenty of calls dropped even when having full bars. Could be a carrier problem, but due to the amount of people having similar issues I'd say it's a hardware/software problem.
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I know, but I think the underlying problem is still the same - I've had plenty of calls dropped even when having full bars. Could be a carrier problem, but due to the amount of people having similar issues I'd say it's a hardware/software problem.
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with the band switching issue im unsure... i dont have the problem on any HD2 so i cant possibly comment what the cause could be.
But the OP in this thread has other issues unrelated to to the band switching problem... voicemail notifications delivered late... calls being missed due to phone not even ringing etc... these are NOT related to dropped calls caused by band switching. Im 99.99% sure they are network problems having seen the exact same issues on the exact same network myself.
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with the band switching issue im unsure... i dont have the problem on any HD2 so i cant possibly comment what the cause could be.
But the OP in this thread has other issues unrelated to to the band switching problem... voicemail notifications delivered late... calls being missed due to phone not even ringing etc... these are NOT related to dropped calls caused by band switching. Im 99.99% sure they are network problems having seen the exact same issues on the exact same network myself.
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You're probably right and as a user of the same network you probably know better than I. Was just trying to be helpful.
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You're probably right and as a user of the same network you probably know better than I. Was just trying to be helpful.
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Maybe he has both problems? shoddy network service AND the band switching issue?
who knows as he hasnt posted back?!
What's interesting though is that we've previously had HTC Touch Diamond 2s, Touch Pros, iPhones (although only a couple) and standard Nokia boggo handsets with the same provider (Orange UK) with no problems.... It's only the HD2s that seem to be affected by these problems...
I'm not sure if it's a band switching issue... is this where it drops from 3G to GSM (or the HDthingy half way between!)? I have noticed the phone drop from full 3G to the H symbol at times for no apparent reason...
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What's interesting though is that we've previously had HTC Touch Diamond 2s, Touch Pros, iPhones (although only a couple) and standard Nokia boggo handsets with the same provider (Orange UK) with no problems.... It's only the HD2s that seem to be affected by these problems...
I'm not sure if it's a band switching issue... is this where it drops from 3G to GSM (or the HDthingy half way between!)? I have noticed the phone drop from full 3G to the H symbol at times for no apparent reason...
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er... you do know that H is faster then 3G right?
Its goes like this: HSPA>3G>GPRS>No data/only GSM
I assumed that you knew this if you were supposed to be supporting mobiles for your company.
If you have only 1 bar of HSDPA/HSUPA it is still faster then 4 bars of 3G.
Also... i sort of got at this in a previous post but the Orange network does not like it if you use handsets on their network that are not bought directly from Orange themselves. Your story is oh so familiar to me.
What i would suggest you try with one or two handsets is flashing them with an official Orange ROM for HD2. This firmware must be floating about somewhere as i do believe Orange have the HD2 on their books.
I don't support the phones, I just set 'em up and give 'em out... I'm a broadcast engineer who supports IT and Radio broadcast studios, not mobile telephones... as I said in my original post, I am on call with an HD2, which is a company phone and is dropping/missing calls... I just came on here to see if it's a known problem with HD2s, and if there's a solution, or if it's likely to be something with the network (Orange) which we may be able to jump up and down about and get them to resolve...
I had remembered it the wrong way around with HSPA and 3G, so thank you for clearing that up for me...
Is the band switching issue when it swaps between each then?
nobody else got any ideas?
*tumbleweed passes....*
I'm having similar issues on AT&T in the US. My callers get a fast busy after my phone rings a couple of times. It does not forward to voicemail. I have to force the phone to GSM then call the person back. UNACCEPTABLE.
Sometimes they get "all circuits are busy" message too.
Did you ever geta solution? My 3 year old x7500 is a better phone than this HD2 is at this point.
They probably won't tell you what equipment they have in your area (due to security reasons) but if they have Motorola based cellsites, then you're going to get these issues as the radio equipment struggles to pass from GSM to 3G and back again.
You are not alone........
I don't think this problem is necessarily restricted to Orange; my company had the same problem when rolling out un-branded Touch Pro devices to our users....and we're on the O2 network in the UK.
Our users experienced exactly the same symptoms - calls dropping, unable to answer calls before the other end hung up, etc...
It wasn't until we installed a ROM update from HTC on all the handsets that the problems....um, lessened...they got better but were still present at a much lower level than before.
I think that one poster has already suggested trying a different radio (i.e. the bit that actually handles the calls/band switching etc.), which is separate to the software (version 1.66.xxx in your case). There may be an HTC ROM update on their site - these usually include software and radio updates in one. You can find your current radio version by going to Settings | About Phone | Software Information - it's listed as "Radio Version" (and the latest is somewhere around 2.10.xxx - taken from a T-Mobile US HD2 I think).
When networks brand the HTC handsets, they also test the various radio ROM's on their networks, before loading a (suitably bloated) software ROM and known-working radio ROM onto the devices before shipping. This, in most cases, is something you can try loading on your unbranded devices - not so here, since Orange never released the HD2 in the UK (ok, don't shoot me - they did release it in very small quantities on their business tariff before pulling it due to "issues found in testing"), so they sure as **** didn't release an updated ROM for the device.
Your best bet, if you can't find an HTC ROM update later than 1.66 (which I don't think there is...yet), is to get involved with this forum in the Leo section. Learn about flashing a new HSPL and then try some other radio ROMs to see if any of them solve your particular problem. You'll have to devote a day to reading/learning before you get down and dirty with a handset....unless you have a few of these £500quid beasties you don't mind turning into paperweights!! Only trouble with this route is, once you've found a radio that works on Orange (and doesn't rinse your battery in two hours!), you're gonna have to repeat the HSPL/radio update process on 100 handsets, then re-install/re-configure each and every one.
Not a very inviting prospect (we "only" had 45 handsets to do!), but the end justifies the means. The HD2 is a marvellous handset - I know, I've got one (on T-Mobile UK ) and I wouldn't be without it.
Keep posting any questions/thoughts.....we'll be here to offer our "useful insights" and "helpful suggestions" as long as you can take it!!!
Good luck!!!
Mark.