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Considering its limited memory, I was wondering when everyone thinks the G1 is likely to reach the end of its usefulness.. especially as android develops and requires better hardware to power it.
Any ideas?
I know for certain this topic has been discussed in this subforum atleast two times. Maybe you could join the discussion in those threads?
I know you weren't looking for an answer like this but I suppose it depends on the actual user of the phone, when I had my LG Vu (I know its not a smart phone) I loved it for about a week and absolutely needed a new phone, while my father has his LG Vu and uses it all the time and doesn't even think about getting a new phone since his does the job.
To me this phone will be good for a year or two before I decide to move further, unless I'm influenced to get a different phone which I probably would be
I'm hoping that Android in develop and improve in such a way that it will optimize the use of the current hardware. Optimize the hardware drivers, improve the coding, etc.
Considering that the Dream, Magic, Hero all have the same CPU, I do hope they make more progress on optimizing it for the CPU.
As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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True, I still visit the Tmobile Shadows forum on this site and there are still roms being cooked for it.
I change phones almost every year if not 2 times a year....but havent changed my phone since I got the G1 because...and it still impresses friends almost every week....
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As long as there's a single dev still doing something for G1, it will not die. And after that it will still take some time.
Just go to the forums of some of the really old devices - they're still active.
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This is so true. I first found this site when I got an HTC Wizard. When I got it the model had long since been discontinued, but the developers here were still active. With what I got here it managed to put an old phone on par with many new models.
Personally until an android phone comes out with a significantly better processor, screen, camera, and with a physical keyboard, I'm probably not going anywhere.
G1 will die when someone releases a phone with twice the processing power, hardware-accelerated 3D, a decent camera (5+ MP, autofocus, flash) true multitouch screen, and at half the power consumption.
it may never truly die
Just Google "nanoloop" to see how long a cult object can outlive its perceived consumer life cycle. I see the G1 as having great potential for achieving cult status, due in part to its homely chin.
Like those above have said i honestly don't see this ever dying out. This was and is the first Android phone and for the fact i see it always being around being worked on.
The G1 will die:
1. After the iPhone dies
2. After all the devs stop developing <- highly unlikely
3. When T-Mobile makes a huge mistake
Just my two cents.
Cult Status probably not but long lifetime
The G1 in my opinion does not have that much of a cult status potential since today the lifecycle is wa quicker than in 1989. I mean the GB was produced for like 8-10 years! Mine still works and would never sell it or give it away.
I know that I will want a new phone in probably a year (or whenever the next nice android device WITH a hardware keyboard and a better camera + batterylife) will come out. But even then I will keep my G1 as second navigation device? GPS dataloger? Mobile Router? Remote Control?....
there is so much great softwware that works great on the G1 hardware and unless you dont want to run som stupid 3D UI or game on it I dont see a reason to get rid of it.
with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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with all my respect to all those who love their G1: i would like to give my opinion;;;;;
this phone (G1) is a complete crap, it does not worth a penny, and it is a BIG failure for Tmo, Google, and HTC. it is nothing but a piece of sh***. they should have done a lot more development and testing before they released it to the public. they did not give it to us for free,, we paid a lot of $ for it. and it DOES NOT WORK.
sorry for the language but honestly i consider my G1 as the worst purchase i have made in my whole life. it is a FRAUD and is AREADY DEAD.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." Haha. But on a serious note and I mean no offense by this but if you have so much hatred for the G1 why are you on this forum? Some people pay way more for a phone that does less and is way worse than you believe this phone to be. Granted everyone is looking for different things. Perfect example a co-worker bought a blackberry bold and hated it with a passion, his son however loved it (me I would never consider paying more for what I deem an inferior phone). So it is all personal preference, but I don't see this phone dying anytime soon unless another phone with better specs and a full keyboard comes along.
dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Man... you should probably pop a valium or something. It's a phone, not genocide.
- internal memory. This is obviously a weakpoint, but it doesn't affect everyone equally. For example I only keep about a dozen apps installed at any given time. My guess is most users who have hundreds of apps installed are not using them all on a frequent basis.
- exchange email. First, you have to understand that the G1 is targeted firstly as a consumer device. Most consumers do not need exchange mail access. That said, there is nothing keeping Android implementers from adding exchange support if they wish, which is exactly what we're seeing HTC do now on some of their self-branded phones.
- incoming calls. I've never had my phone fail to wake or ring on an incoming call. Perhaps this is a network issue or you have a custom android build installed? Generally speaking the "stock" builds are very responsive to incoming calls. There is a thread in the dev subforum that roughly compares various builds and their incoming call alertness.
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dear BSDADON and all:
Iam here on this forum trying to find solutions and fixes for things and issues of the G1 that should NEVER have been issues to begin with. example: apps2sd;;;;; how come Tmo and Google sell the phone without this feature and with almost no internal memory????? and what is more funny is that they give you the market app??? where are we expected to install apps????
another example is the email client: they shipped the phone with email that does NOT work with exchange servers,,,,, and even when you find a server that is supported (POP3), then the only way you can empty the trash is to uninstall the application.... WTF ?????? isnt that a FRAUD????
the basic functionality of the G1 is compromised FOR NOTHING..... there are many times when the phone fails to wake up on incoming calls....
all the things that people are looking for here are things that should have been supported by the first release of G1.....
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Too bad you have so many issues with the G1.
How many apps do you have installed and how many do you actually use? I doubt most people have more than 30-40 apps installed that they used more than a few times. It has enough space for at least that many and probably more.
Not all phone support Exchange, in fact most don't. Even iphone didn't for a long time. Android does have the ability to use Exchange now if you have the right official or custom build. It is not 'fraud' when a feature is missing or overlooked. If you go overboard with how you describe issues, people won't take you seriously.
I have not read any issues with G1 being unresponsive on receiving calls on the official build. If you are having unresponsive functionality while using a custom build or any app that may be conflicting, then it is not a problem with the G1. I've experience slowness when I used the overclock app, but I had underclocked it to 128mhz. That was MY fault. If you are having problems with the official G1 build with no apps installed, than maybe it's time to talk to T-Mobile and get it replaced since nobody else has that problem.
In an ideal world, everything would be perfect on the first release. It's almost never that way. There are very few exception to this, but they are probably never always perfect either. I suppose NASA or Dept of Defense could get the first release to be perfect.. but DoD has over $700,000,000,000 budget. Also the phone would cost more than what most people would want to pay.. also it would take a long time to before it got released..
For me, as long as the is still workin its useful until something else catches my eyes.. but nothin haven't yet and there so much u can do with the g1.
EDIT- yea if there is atleast one dev still grindin the g1 will never die
I'm not going to answer certain inane rantings (see above), I only feel the need to say the following.
Look at the forum for the HTC wizard. It has seen very little traffic since 2008. On the other hand, I would advise people to keep their wizards rather than buy a newer phone, because of what we do here on XDA. It's making the software do incredible things that makes hacking what it is. It's what makes open source glorious. Personally, continually buying new things just because the hardware is better only supports the standard microsoft/apple/ibm/everyotherestablishedcompany method of releasing new hardware with primitive software implementations. Just look at what we've done with the dream so far:
Apps to SD
Media to SD
Root Access
Full CPU Scaling
VPN Access
Themes
Scripts
Volume Hacks
Faster Charge Times
Better WIFI and Bluetooth system integration....
the list goes on. And as long as the Dream remains the easiest android phone to root, it's going to keep extending.
Guys,
I just sent my HD2 (1.48 GER unbranded) back to Amazon for full credit.
By today I had nine cases open at HTC support:
Blutotth SAP: phone does not find mast after disconnecting from car
SMS: app crashes, SMS remain in outbox forever
Music: volume rocker erratic behavior (changes to track skip)
Bluetooth: headset looses connection after certain time
Weather App: sometimes not updating location based weather
Email: HD2 sometimes looses all mail server address entries. All emails in inbox get lost simultaneously
Facebook app: certain information not being displayed
Telephone: volume adjustment with BT headset next to impossible (turned fully up all the time)
SMS app: mobile and fixed line No's are displayed with the same icon, so you never know whether its a mobile or fixed line phone you send your message to (if it gets send.........)
Plus:
Wired headset with Music Controls: renders next to useless without volume control buttons.
The majority of all the bugs always existed at the same time, so one app crashing influenced the others (volume rocker, SMS, weather, bluetooth), Needless to say that not one of the bugs was cured by the latest ROM update. I sometimes wonder whether HTC is doing any SQA at all.
I am a businessman who travels world wide. I need a reliable phone, it is mission critical. The HD2 is a million miles away from being that.
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
I had enough. Period.
Sorry, but it had to shot this out loudly.
GZ
So, what are you moving to?
You forgot to mention the most annoying thing on earth with HD2, THE NOISY VOICE CALLS !!
Fair play mate!
I am a HTC beta tester since 2001 and I cannot recall how many month of my precious lifetime I have spent on making HTC units work.
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And you think that gets better with another company? Definitely not.
RIM's CEO had to apologize foll all the bugs of the Storm.
Nokia's N97 has recieved bad reviews for all its software issues.
Sony Ericsson's Satio had to be pulled from the market because of huge issues.
Apple's iPhone has litte bugs but also little features
...and so on...
The only way to have less issues is to also have less features.
I guess you don't want that, as you are asking for advanced features like the Bluetooth stuff or location based weather, which are features that other phones don't even have in the first place.
You can't ask for a phone that has every feature and at the same time not accept any bugs. There is no phone like that, unfortunately.
(Sure I wish there was, but there isn't)
So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
If you are not satisfied, try another brand like toshiba or acer.
And if you are a "HTC beta tester", you should know it better.
Ah, the Toshiba TG01... another great example for my list.
HD2 is a multimedia device and not a proffesional phone. You won't have any of therse problems in HTC Touch Pro 2 that is designed specifically to be a proffesional phone more reliable and less flashy: keyboard, bigger battery, less bugs etc. It has smaller screen, heavier, less megapixels etc but it is a business model, HD2 is not. I need to point also that iphone is not also a bussiness phone (you can not change battery etc) and Apple accpet that. Simply choose a bussness phone if you need it for bussines, not a expensive gadget as it is in this moment HD2.
I find it extremely strange that some users are reporting the phone running stock roms as buggy to the point of being unusable, whereas for others (myself included) it's been utterly bug free. You can understand a wide variety of different bugs surfacing when you deploy desktop applications, because hardware and software combinations are almost limitless, but here that's not the case. Identical software running on an identical software/hardware platform should produce identical results.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
I was fine until i read the part that you're a "beta tester." (notice the use of quotations?)
I laughed and proceeded to ignored your post entirely.
i experienced some of those problems, but already found fixes for most and for others their in development, like maati says, theres no 100% bug-free phone nowadays, heck, even the 3310 was bugged in some areas, and that was before all the 'hsdpa' 'gps' 'bluetooth' 'multitouch' '1ghz' stuff came along
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...So what's better? Having to tweak a bit in order to get some features to work, or not having those features at all?
You decide.
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"Having to tweak a bit" ??? Dude, it´s one thing to "tweak a bit" and another to get this phone to do what it is supposed to!
Paying 600 Euro for a device plus doing the work that HTC´s developer are not able to do, for me it´s just not acceptable.
If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
On my job I have to do my work to get my earnings. Thats what I expect from others.
This is not HTC specific.
There is just no perfect phone. No matter how much you pay, you won't get anything that's perfect.
I gave you some examples of other phones that have/had huge issues as well, despite being very expensive.
Sure, the HD2 has some issues. But you must not forget that other phones are not better. Not one bit.
I think others are right to say there is no such thing as a perfect device. It's about finding one which makes compromises you can live with.
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True, entirely.
Unfortunately, some people don't get that. If all people realized that truth, threads like this would not exist.
We have to accept the fact that there is no perfect phone and just buy the device that requires the least compromises. This is a personal thing. I, for example, will probably never buy an iPhone again, becasue that thing annoyed me with all its flaws. Sure, it was pretty much bug free, but the lack of critical features was inacceptable.
Did I go to an iPhone forum and shout against Apple and tell everybody that I sold my iPhone? No. Because I am smart enough to realize that there is no perfect phone and I must just buy whatever works best for me. Going to an iPhone forum in order to tell everyone how much I hated the device would not have helped anyone, and creating such threads is not good behaviour anyways.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had. The less "tweaking", the less issues, I think. I did not have any big issues, but some small flaws. With the ROM update, quite some improvement. I think 2 or 3 ROM versions later, the device will be better than any comparable device on the market.
If a mobile phone is crucial for a business person, I think the phone should not do much more than calls and texts - to be on the safe side. As of today, maybe a Blackberry or a Palm product might meet the business needs best.
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If everybody feels alright with that, HTC will keep on capitalizing customer until they encounter resistance.
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Damn, but that line is getting old.
No bugs here, and I got one of the first batch.
But don't let me interrupt the villification of the Great Satan HTC.
Being upset about your handset not working properly? Understandable.
Marking HTC as the worst thing since the antichrist? Yeah, it's been done. To death, revived and back to death again.
They updated the ROM and brought out a fix for the camera. Horrible!
Damn, but that line is getting old.
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It's getting old but it's still as stupid as it was in the beginning. HTC is not evil, they're just a phone maker like all the others, and naturally, their phones have flaws, like all the others.
In fact, compared to others, if you look at the "features*advantages/flaws" ratio, HTC would probably come out on top.
During the past couple of years, I used several so called "smart phones", from all the "big" manufacturers (Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, LG) - and HTC HD2 is my first HTC product.
So far, out of the box, it was - and is - the best, compared to all the others I had.
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That's what I'm saying: No phone is perfect. They all have their flaws and everyone should choose what works best for him.
HTC is not worse than anyone else in the industry. In fact, with the HD2, they may even be the best, currently.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again. Least of all if you don't own the phone or just on here to complain,there isn't a lot anyone on the forum can do to help you with if you don't own one. I understand the frustration though but it should be directed to HTC.
In any case if you are looking for a good business phone from HTC I suggest the HTC Rhodium. Another one of my favorites and with a physical keyboard.
ugh another one of these threads. These issues have been mentioned a million times in as many seperate threads. There isn't much point in opening a new thread again.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Exactly. That thread doesn't help anyone, and it's redundant.
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Then why do you fill it with so many postings?
Also, you did not get the point.
Its one thing to make a decision against a device, that simply does not provide the desired features, as you did with the iphone. Why did you not read its specs??? You just should have known before buying.
And, its another thing to buy a device with many features promised, but then finding many annoying bugs. Thats what I wrote about, ok?
I totally appreciate what the OP is saying about feeling like a "beta tester".
HTC are guilty of putting out stuff with some glaringly obvious bugs but dare I say, so does every other manufacturer out there.
The OP is simply expressing his dismay that once again he as a paying customer is receiving a product that needs further testing and development by the manufactuer!!
Still, it probably wont stop me from buying an HD2 soon...
I'll start by saying I really DO like this phone and don't wish to return it. I am coming from a BB 8320 which I also was a big fan of. This being my first wm/htc phone I have no idea how these two companies support their platforms. The phone obviously has some pretty bad lag/freezing issues as well as some weird glitches where the screen will shift and be half black. Now since its a brand new device in the market I'm totally willing to work with that as most new technology has some kinks to be worked out. I have even been looking into flashing a custom rom as I hear this will help. All this being considered I was hoping you all could perhaps tell me what to expect as far as a possible fix. Do you think this is something htc is working on fixing, or do you think I'm out of luck and should just get used to it? My phone is fully stock and has no additional progs/tweaks on it. I remember when I first got my BB that it had some problems with locking up while web browsing and eventually this was addressed and fixed by an update from BB, do you see a similar thing happening here? Thanks
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I'll start by saying I really DO like this phone and don't wish to return it. I am coming from a BB 8320 which I also was a big fan of. This being my first wm/htc phone I have no idea how these two companies support their platforms. The phone obviously has some pretty bad lag/freezing issues as well as some weird glitches where the screen will shift and be half black. Now since its a brand new device in the market I'm totally willing to work with that as most new technology has some kinks to be worked out. I have even been looking into flashing a custom rom as I hear this will help. All this being considered I was hoping you all could perhaps tell me what to expect as far as a possible fix. Do you think this is something htc is working on fixing, or do you think I'm out of luck and should just get used to it? My phone is fully stock and has no additional progs/tweaks on it. I remember when I first got my BB that it had some problems with locking up while web browsing and eventually this was addressed and fixed by an update from BB, do you see a similar thing happening here? Thanks
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To be completely honest I have never relied on the actually manufacturer to fix my problems... because even as you said that they eventually do... how long did you wait to do so.
I own a blackberry, windows phones galore (mostly HTC)... and both I have learned to fix on my own / use the forums to fix my problems. Blackberry 9700 for example.. greatest blackberry alive.. yes... but people hate the phone unless i fix /tweak it like i have mine because the OS the came in the phone with TMO sucked... but uploaded a unofficial rom and all better...
back to windows since thats the topic... every windows phone i have had has lasted longer than it normally would have (i based this on my patience with lag, lack of memory, and frequent crashing over time) because I learned how to flash "cooked" roms on to the phone.
These developers don't make the perfect rom... no one every will.. because not even the manufacturers can and they know the phone not only software wise but hardware better than any of us... BUT:
These developers make the best rom you will ever use compared to an "official" rom.
Will it fix your issue.. no idea... i get half a black screen some times on my cooked roms.. but it has happen once in a week... i will wait to see if it keeps it up. But the speed is better, the cooked in applications are better, and the support if there ARE problems is 10 folds over manufacturer support.
All my opinions are based on NRG's rom, using Mar 30th with cookie home tab (which once u use cookie home tab, you won't look back to stock home tab lol) He made my Touch Pro2 a better experience so I trust him with my HD2
Im really looking to get one these bad boys tomorrow,Im coming from a g1 and im a little nervous about leaving android to go with windows again. The last windows phone i had was the tmo wing,i loved it at the time but it was a little frustrating having to keep on flashing new roms to stay updated and happy,plus I havent flashed anything since then so Im pretty much a noob at flashing again. I've read a couple of posts that other people posted on leaving android and its pretty much 40% in favor and the rest regretting it. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Im really looking to get one these bad boys tomorrow,Im coming from a g1 and im a little nervous about leaving android to go with windows again. The last windows phone i had was the tmo wing,i loved it at the time but it was a little frustrating having to keep on flashing new roms to stay updated and happy,plus I havent flashed anything since then so Im pretty much a noob at flashing again. I've read a couple of posts that other people posted on leaving android and its pretty much 40% in favor and the rest regretting it. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
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it all comes down to whether or not you can deal with pretty sh*tty battery life and without tons and tons of apps... If you want apps, you DONT want WM...
but the phone is extremely cool and EXTREMELY customizable... if you want this phone and apps, then you can either wait for the android port which is gonna take awhile from my understanding or you can wait for the EVO 4g that comes out this summer for sprint.. which is basically this phone with a 8MP (and 720p video recording) camera and android os..
I just got my HD2 but I might trade it in when that sumb*tch is released
Only if you don't mind constantly removing battery
Phone has horrendous stability issues.
Most issues come with the stock rom. Flashing (this is my first WM phone and I would consider it easy) to a more stable ROM here that can be found in these forums, helps get rid of a lot of the instability. For most, you sort of have to go through a lot to get the phone to actually act like a phone.
Thanks for the help guys,i really dont want too deal with any more battery issues with a new phone, i had enough battery issues with the g1 so thanks for telling me that cause thats pretty much a deal breaker for me. AS for the evo 4g,i was eyeing that but its for sprint and unless i pay $800 for an unlocked one i dont i will get it as i have tmobile. Another alternative i was thinking on is the nexus one,i spoke to a tmobile rep today and he said he has the hd2 and its siiting on a windowceil somewhere in his house and he claims the nexus one is the best phone out now. what are you guys thoughts on that.
Don't let a few people stray you away from picking up a good phone.
1. You are supposed to condition the battery for peak performance. Drain it completely. Turn it off. Charge it up to 100%. Turn it on and use it until its drained completely again. Repeat process. Unless there is something wrong with your battery, this will give you good longevity.
2. A custom ROM solves 90% of the problems people have with this phone. I didn't have any problems with mine on the stock ROM, but it works much faster and better on the custom one.
3. I came from the G1 and MyTouch and have not looked back even once. Sure there are more PUBLICALLY available apps. The customization ability and apps out there for WM is HUGE. You just have to look for them and do a little digging. They aren't right there in front of you spoonfed like Android does.
4. If you can flash a Wing, you can easily flash the HD2. It's ridiculously easy in comparison to other phones I have flashed/rooted. This forum is one of the best to show you what to do and how to do it. It makes it almost impossible to mess anything up.
My phone can and does last several days on a charge now that I have it conditioned and on the custom ROM. Go to the store, use the phone, and play around with it.
You will not be disappointed if you take the time to learn the phone and don't expect it to just work and be perfect out of the box. WM is not that way. Just like you can't expect your computer to be just how you want it out of the box, the same applies here. It takes some customization, some work, and some trial and error to make it do what you want.
tj05fx4 thanks for the well thought out response, after reading yours and a couple of other posts i'm most likely gonnna get it as there looks like there wont be another good phone coming out for tmobile anytime soon I might as well get this one. Hopefully i wont miss android too much but then again there's talk about an android port in the future(I still dont know 100% how that will work) but i'll look forward to it
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tj05fx4 thanks for the well thought out response, after reading yours and a couple of other posts i'm most likely gonnna get it as there looks like there wont be another good phone coming out for tmobile anytime soon I might as well get this one. Hopefully i wont miss android too much but then again there's talk about an android port in the future(I still dont know 100% how that will work) but i'll look forward to it
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ive been looking into this phone as well...just keep your old android phone (for me its a MT3G) and keep flashing roms to it thatway its alwasy updated
My HD2 battery was scary the first week also.
Now it totally beats the G1 battery to death
Now if I have it on constantly, and I mean constant, then it only lasts about 5 or 6 hours. But under normal use I can forget to charge it overnight and still mae it through the next day.
There was NO WAY my G1 could ever do that.
I bought 3 batteries for my G1 (one was a 2200mha) and needed them.
I ordered one for my HD2 and now think I should have saved my money.
Not sure what "stability issues" the guy is talking about. Only problem I ever had was the music player would stop playing for a second when my outlook was syncing.
Moving from stock rom fixed that.
The HD2 is the fastest, nicest and most customizable phone on the market. Don't let the negative people get you down.
They don't know how to use their phone because the came from another O/S (which I did too) or they have a broken phone. It works great.
Stability issues
A glance at the forums will answer the myriad problems with "stability;" I can say that using the phone for its intended and advertised purposes causes it to lock up, or sometimes just get very slow and jittery, period.
I DO know how to use my phone. I've been on windows mobile since winmo5 and on this forum since 2007.
This phone is not fit for its intended purpose and is half baked. It is the "emperors new phone" to mix a metaphor.
However I've not returned mine as I have hope that these issues can be resolved, but, I've had to waste a ton of time already with this thing.
Maybe mine is faulty, but a quick review of the forums will show that many must be also. In any event anyone buying this phone should be well warned that it will be a vortex of lost time and considerable frustration to get it to work anywhere near as advertised.
ministersin said:
Not sure what "stability issues" the guy is talking about. one on the market. Don't let the negative people get you down.
They don't know how to use their phone because the came from another O/S (which I did too) or they have a broken phone. It works great.
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I've had my HD2 since release day and have only experienced the lagging/freezing issue once, and that was early on when I inadvertently used the HTC/Sense Messaging application that comes with the HD2. That application is the bane of this phone. I don't text a lot, so I rarely used it, but if you send and receive a decent amount of text messages and you use this app, you are definitely going to experience lagging/freezing.
I found a post in the forums here to disable the HTC/Sense Messaging app and use the standard WinMo messaging app and have had ZERO issues with the phone ever since. I've also flashed to a number of Kumar's cooked ROMs with ZERO issues.
IMHO, the majority of the "stability" issues people talk about are related to that damned HTC/Sense Messaging app because without using it, my phone runs perfectly. Once in a while, I'll download an app that is poorly written and cause the device to act up, but a simple uninstall fixes it right away and I stay away from that app.
That said, only you can determine if you want to do the things you need to do to get the phone singing the way you want it to. Only you can determine if you absolutely have to have the thousands of useless apps that the Droid market has or if the apps on OMarket, MS Marketplace, Handango, etc. are enough.
This phone is an absolute keeper for me.
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I've had my HD2 since release day and have only experienced the lagging/freezing issue once, and that was early on when I inadvertently used the HTC/Sense Messaging application that comes with the HD2. That application is the bane of this phone.
IMHO, the majority of the "stability" issues people talk about are related to that damned HTC/Sense Messaging app because without using it, my phone runs perfectly.
This phone is an absolute keeper for me.
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'nuff said!
efjay said:
'nuff said!
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The only thing that bothers me is the 3G signal from TMOUSA. I will get out of that soon, but other than that this phone is not bad at all. Nice in-call volume, wifi-n (when enabled via reg tweak), 5 mp camera, and a big a$$ screen with WVGA resolution (plus a 16 gb card)...
The only time I experienced instability was when I flashed to NRG's rom. Stock works surprisingly well though (although, if I could remove most of the preloaded demos, it would be better)...
I am still in my remorse period but might just keep it after all
Like a lot of people on the forum, their HD2 has caused them a lot of headaches and problems. After waiting patiently from the Euro launch of this phone, my anticipation for this phone was at all time high, more so when I got my 2G iPhone. After I got it, lots of problems like phone slowdown, lag, freezing, SMS/Message App slowdown, lag and freezing. Weather tab freezing, Music player slowdown or skipping (.mp3 skip? What? lol). Data stop working, disconnecting or won't auto connect. Camera lag or slowdown, Email problems, delete email but they come back, or can't send emails. Sleep/Lock of death, phone won't wake up. Phone resets it's self on it's own and I can go on, lol.
I've done everything people have told me do here. I've kill all task, soft reset, hard reset 5x, taken the battery out, taken the memory card out etc. The only thing I haven't done (and will not do) is flash my ROM. The one thing I notice is, if I run "Today" instead of "Sense UI" the phone works fine, so that means Sense UI is buggy. I've contacted T-mobile and HTC, most recently HTC, I've talk to three different people and finally we are getting somewhere.
Here are the last 3 emails out of a total 11 emails I got back from HTC:
Hello Michael,
Thank you for your responses to our questions.
Thanks to your responses, I was able to work with our headquarters on this behavior with your device.
We are investigating this issue with your phone freezing. Since you notice this behavior with HTC Sense enabled, we will likely have to update the software for the HD2. I cannot provide a timeframe for an update, but I can tell you where to look for updates. T-Mobile hosts the updates for their Windows Mobile phones at www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade.
I hope that we have addressed your question in detail.
Thank you again,
Ryan
HTC Technical Support
www.htc.com/us
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your response.
The freezing issue is to be helped with a ROM update as soon as possible. Our ROM updates for T-Mobile phones are hosted by T-Mobile as soon as they are available.
If you still need further response, feel free to let me know what your concern is.
Ryan
HTC Technical Support
www.htc.com/us
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your response.
You do not have to apologize to me. I understand how frustrating it is when your device freezes. I hope that the update will be out soon. There are many factors that go into finalizing an update between T-Mobile and HTC, so it may feel like it is taking a while. I do know that from HTC’s US headquarters that we are hard at work to address this issue.
Thank you,
Ryan
HTC Technical Support
www.htc.com/us
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Members, please, contact HTC by using this link HTC Customer Service, fill out the quick information and send it, and PRESS THE ISSUE that your phone is having terrible problems. I have link them to this forum and they are READING the threads here but it's more apparent if you keep contacting them, get the message out so they can get an update out ASAP.
are we really having this much trouble with our phones? I mean I understand that sense ui is laggy at times.. but if I remember to kill all my running tasks, its not that bad..
I have had a big problem with 3g connectivity but im not tech in a 3g area... but I go from h to 3g to g in the same spots my g1 has 3g.. I called and told tmo..
I mean granted this isn't a rooted android device but this is a good wm phone.. nearly everything I expected...
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The only thing I haven't done (and will not do) is flash my ROM.
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Why not?
There are roms that are nearly identical to stock, with just bug-fixes--which seems exactly like what you want.
That's overkill. If I had to do all of that to my phone. I would have gotten rid of it already. The only real problem I had was my phone would not stay on 3G and my wifes phone is always on it.
I'm getting a replacement though.
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Why not?
There are roms that are nearly identical to stock, with just bug-fixes--which seems exactly like what you want.
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It voids your warranty and if you for some odd reason when you wake up some day within the next year and your phone doesn't turn on, and you send it back for a new one, and they find that you have a custom ROM on it, you'll have to pay full price for a new one. It's simply not worth it in my eyes to put on a custom ROM that voids the warranty of a 550 dollar phone to see Sense UI move a little bit smoother.
no one
No ones going to do anything if you dont complain, they'll just say that they dont have records of complaints and its not a known issue. so they cant do anything about it.
i just sent a message
The only real problems I have with tmobile is their bad coverage areas and even though they have bad coverage areas, their coverage areas are exaggerated. It says I should have web coverage in my area, but when I try to place an order for a plan they tell me that cant do it because there is no service in my area. That and I could only half hear the person on the phone because I could hear a bunch of idiots in the back ground not doing their jobs and some god awful singing. And I have to order a new sim card because they said that my sim number must have been an accidentaly reissued number because its already in use.
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It voids your warranty and if you for some odd reason when you wake up some day within the next year and your phone doesn't turn on, and you send it back for a new one, and they find that you have a custom ROM on it, you'll have to pay full price for a new one. It's simply not worth it in my eyes to put on a custom ROM that voids the warranty of a 550 dollar phone to see Sense UI move a little bit smoother.
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Took the words out of my mouth.
I just sent a message, after this device might never buy a HTC phone ever again.
I don't know why anyone who's apprehensive to flashing ROMS is even here.
No offense, but this whole forum is built around flashing ROMS. It's one thing if you don't want to go that route, but getting on your high-horse and telling people its a bad idea to flash roms because it voids your warranty is a little much.
Most of the people here understand the risks involved with flashing roms, and anyone who really knows what they're doing knows that the risk is minimal, and that except for extreme cases (and stupidity), a phone can be brought back to stock if needed. Unless you flashed the wrong rom and bricked your device, the only reason you wouldn't be able to bring it back to stock is hardware malfunction due to physical damange...and in most cases, those aren't covered by warranty.
Most people here also know the benefits of flashing ROMS and modifying the UI to make it work, and aren't holding their breaths for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile. Most people here bought the HD2 expecting the stock ROM to suck, and knew that the only way to get it working at the level of their expectations is to flash a custom ROM. If waiting for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile is the route you want to go, then hit up the t-mobile forum, because honestly, the problems a lot of you are facing on the stock ROM, don't exist on custom ROMS. The chefs here will always be 5 steps ahead of T-Mobile and HTC.
It's not just about sense running smoother....its correcting innate problems in WM6.5 and sense that can make the device a pain in the ass to use. Its about making the OS and UI more accessible, capable, and above all, less prone to crashes and more stable!
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I don't know why anyone who's apprehensive to flashing ROMS is even here.
No offense, but this whole forum is built around flashing ROMS. It's one thing if you don't want to go that route, but getting on your high-horse and telling people its a bad idea to flash roms because it voids your warranty is a little much.
Most of the people here understand the risks involved with flashing roms, and anyone who really knows what they're doing knows that the risk is minimal, and that except for extreme cases (and stupidity), a phone can be brought back to stock if needed. Unless you flashed the wrong rom and bricked your device, the only reason you wouldn't be able to bring it back to stock is hardware malfunction due to physical damange...and in most cases, those aren't covered by warranty.
Most people here also know the benefits of flashing ROMS and modifying the UI to make it work, and aren't holding their breaths for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile. Most people here bought the HD2 expecting the stock ROM to suck, and knew that the only way to get it working at the level of their expectations is to flash a custom ROM. If waiting for a fix from HTC or T-Mobile is the route you want to go, then hit up the t-mobile forum, because honestly, the problems a lot of you are facing on the stock ROM, don't exist on custom ROMS. The chefs here will always be 5 steps ahead of T-Mobile and HTC.
It's not just about sense running smoother....its correcting innate problems in WM6.5 and sense that can make the device a pain in the ass to use. Its about making the OS and UI more accessible, capable, and above all, less prone to crashes and more stable!
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It's almost as if the OP was attempting a very elaborate troll. The site is called "xda-developers", not "xda-lovers".
If you are looking to mod your device within the so-called "safe" limits that HTC and T-Mobile force upon you, maybe you would be better off hanging out over at freewareppc, instead of a modding forum.
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It's almost as if the OP was attempting a very elaborate troll. The site is called "xda-developers", not "xda-lovers".
If you are looking to mod your device within the so-called "safe" limits that HTC and T-Mobile force upon you, maybe you would be better off hanging out over at freewareppc, instead of a modding forum.
#JustSaying
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I can tell you that I had many of those problems and after flashing a custom rom, I've fixed my HD2 almost to perfection, not only the way it looks but stability. Only problem I keep having is 3G connection problems, and by the looks of it, its not the device anymore, seems more like T-mobile's service.
I agree with both perspectives.
I flashed my phone the second day I had it. I'm new to WinMo and was a little nervous, but now I flash weekly (would be daily, but I don't want to become an addict... ) Flashing is night and day from stock and I would never go back (unless it was warranty related).
That being said, I agree with compaining to HTC and T-MO. If there are enough people complaining, then more work will be done to fix those problem, which will lead to better/more frequent updates for the chefs to work with. That way, it's win win. I love HTC devices, they are the best, but when I accidentally dial someone, and it takes me 10 seconds to get to where I can hang up because of lag on a device that technically qualifies to run Windows XP.... That seems unacceptable to me.
joe_coolish said:
I agree with both perspectives.
I flashed my phone the second day I had it. I'm new to WinMo and was a little nervous, but now I flash weekly (would be daily, but I don't want to become an addict... ) Flashing is night and day from stock and I would never go back (unless it was warranty related).
That being said, I agree with compaining to HTC and T-MO. If there are enough people complaining, then more work will be done to fix those problem, which will lead to better/more frequent updates for the chefs to work with. That way, it's win win. I love HTC devices, they are the best, but when I accidentally dial someone, and it takes me 10 seconds to get to where I can hang up because of lag on a device that technically qualifies to run Windows XP.... That seems unacceptable to me.
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In a perfect world, a company like HTC would hear their customer's cries and devote all of their resources and attention to releasing regular updates. In the real world, HTC has released 4 phones after the HD2, and lined-up several others...they aren't interested in developing for the HD2 anymore. People have been complaining to HTC about the HD2 since it was released in Europe back in November....and they still haven't really addressed most of the concerns.
Most of the 'problems' people complain about are innate characteristics of windows mobile....You see people complaing because their phones lag or crash because they don't manage task manager, but that's an innate characteristic of a multi-tasking OS! On the other side of the fence, you have MS getting bashed for getting rid of multi-tasking in WP7...you have people bashing the iPhone for years over its lack of multi-tasking....and when they come up with a quasi-multi tasking solution, they get bashed for it not being 'true' multi-tasking!
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In a perfect world, a company like HTC would hear their customer's cries and devote all of their resources and attention to releasing regular updates. In the real world, HTC has released 4 phones after the HD2, and lined-up several others...they aren't interested in developing for the HD2 anymore. People have been complaining to HTC about the HD2 since it was released in Europe back in November....and they still haven't really addressed most of the concerns.
Most of the 'problems' people complain about are innate characteristics of windows mobile....You see people complaing because their phones lag or crash because they don't manage task manager, but that's an innate characteristic of a multi-tasking OS! On the other side of the fence, you have MS getting bashed for getting rid of multi-tasking in WP7...you have people bashing the iPhone for years over its lack of multi-tasking....and when they come up with a quasi-multi tasking solution, they get bashed for it not being 'true' multi-tasking!
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Ha! It's so true My wife has a myTouch and she complained that the battery life on it sucked and I said that all smartphones get worse battery life than the dumbphones she was use to. Well, one night she said that she understood that batterlife was worse on smartphones, but having to recharge your phone 2-3 times a day was getting rediculous along with the horrible unresponsiveness. Finally I took a look to see what was up, and I guess I must have forgotten to explain "task management" with her, as she had every application on the phone open and running at the same time! Poor phone took a pretty decent beating the first couple of weeks she had it
But back on topic, if HTC releases an update to its Sense UI for WinMo, it should benefit all users of Sense UI (WinMo) reguardless of what phone it's running on. So even if there are newer models, updates should work on older models. That's at least what happened with my Pioneer Navigation system. There were lots of complains about things not working (even a few posts like this on a forum) and that summer they released a newer model that used the same software so our models got the upgrade too. I'm not saying it was a "Windows 7 moment" but I do like to think that our nagging helped.
I'm all for complaining to companies if it means that they produce better quality products. If we just sit around and accept it, then QoS will go down. There must be some formula where the cost of developement is compared to the cost of responding to complaints. When complaints go up, the other adjusts itself accordingly to maximize profit. Lower complains, less developement until complaints go back up! That kind of thing.
Just my 2 cents. But over all, I'm quite happy with kumar's work. If I were still on stock, I'd be upset too.
This is what pisses me off about the whole issue... we ALL know what this site is about. Regardless, NO ONE should HAVE to flash a damn rom to get a phone to function like it should out of the box...especially when you have people that are spending $400+ for it. That's just plain pathetic, bs and I just couldnt go for it which was why I simply returned mine and got my money back. Flashing is cool, but not everyone comes here for new roms... some people come for software, tweaks or to figure out how to do other things.
Telling someone that they SHOULD just flash a rom and deal with it.. even though roms are nice lets just be real, almost every single one of them has SOME kind of bugs with it. That's one of the main reason I stopped doing the flash dance and chose to stick with the stock rom to begin with. But when you buy the phone and it already has bugs, YES people have the right to complain about it and want the issue resolved. That's about as dumb as buying a Mercedes with a blown header and saying.. well you should just put aftermarket headers on it anyways. Should the car just WORK when you buy it? And if it doesnt work.. you take it back and get it serviced or another car.
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Ha! It's so true My wife has a myTouch and she complained that the battery life on it sucked and I said that all smartphones get worse battery life than the dumbphones she was use to. Well, one night she said that she understood that batterlife was worse on smartphones, but having to recharge your phone 2-3 times a day was getting rediculous along with the horrible unresponsiveness. Finally I took a look to see what was up, and I guess I must have forgotten to explain "task management" with her, as she had every application on the phone open and running at the same time! Poor phone took a pretty decent beating the first couple of weeks she had it
But back on topic, if HTC releases an update to its Sense UI for WinMo, it should benefit all users of Sense UI (WinMo) reguardless of what phone it's running on. So even if there are newer models, updates should work on older models. That's at least what happened with my Pioneer Navigation system. There were lots of complains about things not working (even a few posts like this on a forum) and that summer they released a newer model that used the same software so our models got the upgrade too. I'm not saying it was a "Windows 7 moment" but I do like to think that our nagging helped.
I'm all for complaining to companies if it means that they produce better quality products. If we just sit around and accept it, then QoS will go down. There must be some formula where the cost of developement is compared to the cost of responding to complaints. When complaints go up, the other adjusts itself accordingly to maximize profit. Lower complains, less developement until complaints go back up! That kind of thing.
Just my 2 cents. But over all, I'm quite happy with kumar's work. If I were still on stock, I'd be upset too.
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That would probably be true if HTC were releasing more windows mobile based phones and updating sense for new models, but windows mobile is at the literal end of its product life cycle, and development has come to a hault. We've already seen sense updates for Android, but most of those probably won't make it to windows mobile.
Unless it becomes a public relations nightmare for HTC, I don't see them springing to the service of HD2 users....cost is the biggest reason. They've already sold us an HD2, and they've moved onto releasing several models to replace the HD2. Continuing to develop for it will do nothing to generate more revenue for them. HTC's market-share is growing significantly by constantly pushing the hardware bar higher every few months.
I dont think these people who flash roms understand that, a phone shouldnt have so many ****in issues. It should work properly, and their is no word on whether or not T-mobile/HTC are working on an update..This completely B.S for a phone to have so many issues..I've had a dash,iphone, BB 97000 no problems..
Raadius said:
Like a lot of people on the forum, their HD2 has caused them a lot of headaches and problems. After waiting patiently from the Euro launch of this phone, my anticipation for this phone was at all time high, more so when I got my 2G iPhone. After I got it, lots of problems like phone slowdown, lag, freezing, SMS/Message App slowdown, lag and freezing. Weather tab freezing, Music player slowdown or skipping (.mp3 skip? What? lol). Data stop working, disconnecting or won't auto connect. Camera lag or slowdown, Email problems, delete email but they come back, or can't send emails. Sleep/Lock of death, phone won't wake up. Phone resets it's self on it's own and I can go on, lol.
I've done everything people have told me do here. I've kill all task, soft reset, hard reset 5x, taken the battery out, taken the memory card out etc. The only thing I haven't done (and will not do) is flash my ROM. The one thing I notice is, if I run "Today" instead of "Sense UI" the phone works fine, so that means Sense UI is buggy. I've contacted T-mobile and HTC, most recently HTC, I've talk to three different people and finally we are getting somewhere.
If your device has so much problems im sure it's a faulty one why not replace it under warranty??
Mine working perfectly out of box (i wonder where's the lagging was) i dont flash my rom, if it aint broken why fix it? i just do some tweaks that's all
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because i dont want a refurbished phone. I seriously think i'm done with HTC and anything they add to a phone. I will never buy a phone with Sense U.I on android only ones that dont have it. Also why cant they keep us posted on an update. Its kind of B.S that they release a phone but stop making updates or wont make any because Windows Mobile is dead.. Thats like M.S not updating XP or Vista anymore because Windows 7 is out. People bought this phone a month ago so its ****in new in the U.S and their should be updates being handed out..If not HTC i hope they fail as a company and prob will in the future. Creative destruction new companies come and old ones die just like Palm.