I think I mentioned this before.
Outside in the sunlight, the Jade is almost unuseable. Can't see any text on the screen. Can hardly see the clock hands. My wife laughs at me - she has an old $50 Nokia with mono LCD display.
I tried auto setting and manual maximum - no difference. The colour LCD screens aren't simply up to it.
I think the factory theme or whatever it is called contributes to it.
Can anybody please suggest a visually pleasing, yet practical interface with high contrast icons etc to be used outdoors?? Something similar to the iPhone, perhaps??
Joe
I don´t think everywhere can help you to solve this problem, except you take a look at the Powermanagement in your Device, turn the backlight to full brightness, that´s all u can do.
Or you must buy a Device with a Transreflektive Display, this Display are reduce the power that need the Display and looks like better if the Sun shine on it.
for example I have seen at a german side this test of devices with a Transreflektiv Display, an the Dev. are followed :
Asus MyPal A730W , Dell Axim X3i , Dell Axim X30 , Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX 610 , Hewlett-Packard iPAQ H5550 und Toshiba Pocket PC e800 WiFi.
But to the ASUS Devices, I thinke they all are have a Transreflektive Display, I had a ASUS P525 and they have this Display and works perfekt (u can look clearly all) as the Sun shine on it.
I hope this helps
It was 36 degrees today and nothing but sunshine here in Australia as I checked my email and I watched the cricket outdoors ... No problem with the reading display with the brightness set to "Auto" and the default WinMo 6.5 theme!
I did, however, have a problem reading my display previously when I used the supplied HTC protector, but I replaced it with one from eBay about a fortnight ago and it's been perfect and crystal clear ever since!
Could it be your screen protector?
Chris - it looks like the transreflective displays are the way to go, but that means buying a new smart phone. No chance of that for few years for me.
spooky - I am buying a non-reflective screenprotector and hope that will help a little.
Joe
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Hello everyone,
I've been spending a while trying to find previous posts about this issue, but couldn't find any. Hopefully someone here will have some insight into this problem that at the moment is baffling my friend and I.
I bought an M1000 about two weeks ago. I'm very pleased with it, and haven't had any problems at all - it's great. My friend had a mess about on it and was so impressed decided to get one as well.
His M1000 arrived a few days ago. When comparing the two units however, the screen on my friend's phone was markedly dimmer than mine, and almost seems tinted. After making sure we had the exact same brightness settings and upgrading his rom to the latest available on Orange (mine shipped with the latest version, his was ROM was dated 2003 - I can't remember the version) there was no change - his screen was dimmer, and certain apps were practically unusable (Fade for example).
He took the phone back to our local orange shop and they arranged a replacement. The replacement turned out to have an even dimmer screen than his original (the staff at the store agreed as well) and another replacement was arranged to be delivered.
He got his second replacement today, and that is just the same as the first.
We also noticed that the angle of brightness was different - mine fades when you move the screen horizontally, his when moved vertically. Using the same SPB Plus theme it also appears as if his display has less colours as some areas of the wallpaper appear pixelised whereas on mine there is nice diffusion between shades of colour.
So I guess the question is: have there been different revisions of display on the himalaya series? We checked every piece of hardware and rom info we could and they all matched. Or has my friend been very unfortunate to receive three phones with the same problem?
I can't think of any software I might have installed that enhanced my display and any that we though might have changed a setting (such as nydot) we installed on his unit, again to no avail.
Any insight would be really appreciated. He's really pleased with the M1000, but the seemingly lower quality display is souring the milk somewhat so to speak.
Cheers,
Mista
i remember some posts where people said that htc changed panel manufactor on newer devices
i think that could be the issue
Yes, there was a thread initiated I believe by the user "Pocket TV Team" that discussed the actual number of colours displayed by the Himalaya. Unfortunately that thread (as well as the user "Pocket TV Team") has been lost in the recent crash.
Eventually someone from France stated that a new batch of Himalaya's he had ordered clearly had a less good display (maybe even displayed a lesser range of colours) than the Himalaya he had been working with up to then.
Regards,
Albondigas
I would welcome a dimmer display, mine is just too bright even on its dimmest setting to make it easy on the eyes at night, and in the daytime i find i only ever need half brightness, the only use i find for full brightness is to use the device as a torch at night !!
Mine is 11 months old now, so maybe they have just dimmed the backlight ?
Don't remeber well the post.. but I am sure to have read about 2 different displays used in Himalaya Pocket Pc.. This explains your friends issue.
Bought my 8525 last night, and despite my initial enthusiasm, it's already screwed up.
Take a look at the screenshots of the LCD (warning, large images):
Pocket IE showing bad LCD
Today screen, not as evident
Today screen, a little better photo
Sigh - I had been waiting on the phone, and now this.
total bummer dude,
I hate when this happens, it always happens to me.
For E.g.
Jasjam - stuffed stylus silo
Nokia GPS - Didnt charge
Blueant X5 - distorted left speaker
Asus S6F notebook - Keyboard Problem and touch pad problem
Nokia N73 - stuffed 3.2MP camera
and the list goes on....
My wife thinks I am being picky but she is just a psychologist, so what does she know about technology ...
I spend more time/money sending things back and on gasoline in order to get a device that works.
It seems taiwanese manufacturers are not worried about quality control as they are on time to market. Soon they will lose the game....
New one coming in the mail!
First off, this device is by far the best windows mobile device that I have used. I only considered WM devices when choosing this because I am dependent on expensive WM applications that I have bought for work.
I recently upgraded from an XDA touch cruise (Polaris) to an Xperia X1. That phone was great, really very fun to use. The screen was very sharp and the optical device made navigation excellent and kept screen touches to a minimum. I was initially disappointed with the keyboard and thought I would get used to it but I never did. I began to question whether I actually needed a hard keyboard. Also the bluetooth issue really bothered me and I really wanted more screen real estate more than any other feature. As a side note I thought the panels were a useless gimmic, I personally found them slow and without any real use.
After two weeks I got upgrade fever again and sold the X1 on ebay in order to buy a simfree Touch HD. This upgrade was effectively cost neutral and I waited patiently for my Touch HD. Here are my pros and cons
PROS
1 - The screen. It is glorious. The resolution and size are unparalled on a handheld device in this country. It is so user friendly and very sharp. Skyscape ebooks display beautifully. Viewing websites on Opera is also far superior to the X1 as despite similar resolution - the size makes all the diffence. It compares very well beside my new ipod touch (2nd gen) - the brightness on full is about 80% of the ipods brightness but it is still sufficient to render excellent contrast ratios. Where this screen smashes the ipod is in resolution - text on websites is very sharp when on full screen compared to the apples soft blurry rendering which suffers as it does not have as many pixels per inch.
2 - User friendly and it just works. Seemless connection via bluetooth activesync, connects beautifully without problem to my Parrot CK3200 car kit with full phonebook synchronisation (inc battery/signal strength bars). Mapped some of the buttons using aebplus and that increases the useability further. You quickly get used to not having a dpad and it becomes enjoyable interacting with the device without a stylus - I havent had to use mine yet.
3 - Haptic feedback is a nice touch
4 - Very fast GPS tracking when you turn on TomTom7
5 - Jetcet wireless printing is a useful bonus add on - however I cannot get it set up correctly with my ML1510 laser printer connected to an airport express.
6 - Accelerometer paired with Gyrator 2 is wonderful!
CONS -
1 - Its been said before but the lack of proper calendar implementation including tasks into TF3D is very disappointing. I currently have only one appointment on the display depsite having a full weeks schedule. If I add another appointment for today then it will display on the home screen but not tomorrow Like many others, I have missed birthdays and appointments because of this omission. I dont personally want to get rid of it and use SPB shell because it helps define the device itself! I would be willing to pay to get this properly implemented.
2 - GPS does lag by 1-2 seconds on TomTom which despite my heavy GPS use does not really affect me however if it bothers you it is worth considering. The lag is the same as the Polaris. On the X1 the lag was only 0.5-1 second
3 - I cannot map the home button or long press end key yet - I will continue to plug away at this.
So in summary the best phone and handheld device I have used. I am keeping this phone and really enjoying using it! Hope this helps people who may be unsure what they are looking for.
Thanks for the comparison The_Flyer
I was in the X1 vs. Touch HD dilemma but have since opted for the Touch HD.... it would be nice if it arrived though.
The killer point for me was the large touchscreen. I am fine using my finger and a stylus for writing so I didn't really need the hardware keyboard.
SingaporeAirlines said:
Thanks for the comparison The_Flyer
I was in the X1 vs. Touch HD dilemma but have since opted for the Touch HD.... it would be nice if it arrived though.
The killer point for me was the large touchscreen. I am fine using my finger and a stylus for writing so I didn't really need the hardware keyboard.
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I was wondering between the two myself, and then i asked myself do I need a hardware keyboard?
Turns out i don't need it.
I actually went into the Voda shop, with a bunch of dosh in my hand, ready to walk out with an X1.
They had a demo one, which I played with - and was reasonably impressed with.
Got ready to do the deal - quoted the Voda web site prices - "oh no, we're not allowed to match them"...
At the time I was gutted (and I certainly wasn't prepared to pay an extra £10 per month for the same deal), so wanderred across to phones4u.
Came out of there with my head swimming with options, and decided I'd best do some more research - things had obviously moved on a bit in the 3 months LOL
long story short (ish) - HD arrives tomorrow
(though it should have been today )
nice write up the_flyer
the_flyer said:
CONS -
1 - Its been said before but the lack of proper calendar implementation including tasks into TF3D is very disappointing. I currently have only one appointment on the display depsite having a full weeks schedule. If I add another appointment for today then it will display on the home screen but not tomorrow Like many others, I have missed birthdays and appointments because of this omission. I dont personally want to get rid of it and use SPB shell because it helps define the device itself! I would be willing to pay to get this properly implemented.
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Have you had a look at Pocket Informant with its touch features. Maybe this will help. Can't say as I don't have the HD yet, but using an eten x500 at the moment.
Thanks - I am currently using pocket informant and it works great as a today plug in however it does not integrate within TF3D and hence the love TF3D has to be deactivated for it to work. Function v aesthetics
dear all
I thought I was a lucky owner of the cool s200.
In fact, almost one month ago, the LCD has begun to be less responsive in the upper right part of the touchscreen. In the same zone I could see some kind of "scratches" or let's call them even "dirt bands".
Icons were harder to be recalled, and the "slide to unlock" feature was taking always a bit more of time and tries.
These "scratched area" was enlarging everyday.. and the more it grew, the less responsive the s200 would be.
Today, the Acer s200 definitely stopped responding, although the LCD shows still bright unaltered background image.
Please, have a look at the picture that I posted here
www .marcofama.it/2011/06/acer-s200-neotouch-problema-allo-schermo-lcd-risponde-parzialmente/
This has been shot yesterday
Frankly speaking, I don't know what happened
I was used to change the transparent cover every 3months, never treated the mobile bad, always cleaned the touch surface with cleaning paper for glasses. Never scratched it with keys in my pocket (always used a sock to protect the phone in everyday life).
Anyone knows what might have happened?
I'll open a RMA on Acer website... but this drives me crazy! A 400 EUR device, treated better than anything else.. cannot go broken like that.
Marco
This doesnt sound like a LCD problem.
There is the LCD display, which does the job to show the pictures and there is the digitizer or the touch panel... These touch panels become unresponsive after some time when they are resistive, like our touch panel is.
You could buy it at ebay and change it on your own to make your touch screen behave well again.
but to be honest, ive never seen this "scratches" before
riotman said:
This doesnt sound like a LCD problem.
There is the LCD display, which does the job to show the pictures and there is the digitizer or the touch panel... These touch panels become unresponsive after some time when they are resistive, like our touch panel is.
You could buy it at ebay and change it on your own to make your touch screen behave well again.
but to be honest, ive never seen this "scratches" before
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whoa.. thanks for your feedback riotman.
That was my first impression too, as the images were correctly displayed..
I've taken my Acer to the closest Acer point today, and I need to wait for them to analyze it and let me know if that can be fixed under warranty, or not.
I'll keep you posted
thanks for your time!
Marco
Never seen this before on any Smartphone. I think it's maybe a default of connection, or some humidity. It's purely hardware, I think.
i've got the same problem but the warranity ended a month ago and acer won't repair it or take the phone back -.- this sucks..
The neotouch digitizer is poorly sealed, humidity and moisture will eventually find it's way in and start doing what it's currently doing eg, not responding on the oxidized bits.
No solution but to buy another digitizer on ebay and change it,they are cheap and you get the tools to help you do it as part of it.
There is a guide somewhere in here, I'll look for it...edit.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742642
edit again....I bought this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360364252886&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Motto:
If you ever walk down the stairs wearing slippers and talking on the phone make sure your free hand is next to the stair handle...
The phone went down through the staircase gap - from the 1st floor directly to the ground.
Aside from the aesthetics and the potential hazard of small pieces of glass going down my ear, everything seemed to work and I could use the phone with full functionality.
I just recieved the phone from the local HTC service after 2 weeks.
I thought only the digitizer will be replaced but instead they replaced the whole touchscreen assembly with 200 Euros:
- screen (digitizer + LCD) ~142 Euro
- middle chassis ~18 Euro
- keypad ~23 Euro
- service fee ~17 Euro
I was told they couldn't replace only the screen because the whole module comes pre-assembled by HTC.
I still don't believe that but I decided not to reject the repair (+ find another service + wait a few more weeks + risk the same or other issues) for the extra 40 Euros...
After thorough testing all day long I find everything is in place but I also notice some differences compared to the original:
-the green LED is not working;
-the screen is noticeably darker on auto-brightness level
I don't think it's a software issue because I reflashed the stock ROM and also the light sensor works, so I guess:
- either the hardware parts made by different OEM are not the same
- or, the sensor and speaker modules weren't remounted properly
Anyway, for now I'm happy to have the phone back and thought it would be nice to share my experience with you...
Edit:
not only the screen is definetely darker in any OS (WM6.5, Android, WP7) but the whites have a subtle green tint
i'm afraid i'll have to send it back but i'll go with another HD2 this time, to prove I'm right...
antaed said:
After thorough testing all day long I find everything is in place but I also notice some differences compared to the original:
-the green LED is not working;
-the screen is noticeably darker on auto-brightness level
I don't think it's a software issue because I reflashed the stock ROM and also the light sensor works, so I guess:
- either there the hardware parts made by different OEM are not the same
- the sensor module and speaker modules weren't remounted properly at the service
Edit:
not only the screen is definetely darker in any OS (WM6.5, Android, WP7) but the whites have a subtle green tint
i'm afraid i'll have to send it back but i'll go with another HD2 this time, to prove I'm right...
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yea deff send it back. they use returns for parts, so you probably got one that some minor tech took a quick look at and thought 'yea that works' and put it in the spares pile.
thanks for the advice samsamuel
this cannot be "htc authorized" service quality, i am very disappointed...
im 100% its not original lcd... i change lcds ( not hd2 ) every day and how you described definitely thats not right lcd... so like samsamuel said send it back.
things start to get wierder...
the screen seems to get better by itself
to be sure my eyes don't fool me, i compared the min-max backlight levels against both another hd2 (in android) and a desire.
i don't understand how but it looks fine now, even the colors. i use a custom color for the live tiles in wp7 - yesterday it didn't look ok, now it does...
still, the green notif led doesn't work but i don't know if it has anything to do with the screen. as i saw in this video, it looks like the notif leds are integrated in the receiver:
http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/official-htc-hd2-disassembly-assembly-training-videos-leaked
the most annoying issue however is something i discovered only yesterday. the g-sensor doesn't work at all in any android buid. what's strange is that it works perfectly in both wm6.5 and wp7...
as i found out, i'm not the only one having this issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069578
it's like i'm playing in a "twilight zone" episode...
UPDATE:
the phone came back from the 2nd trip to the repair shop.
- the issue with auto-rotation in android was related somehow to the compass (magnetic field sensor) which apparently didn't work in any os - solved by motherboard replacement (under warranty)
- about the screen brightness - it's not a bug, it's a feature - as i was told, all the screens in the new batch from htc have a slight yellowish tint (visible on white) and i have to live with it
- the notification led works now